Originally Posted by nelly

that is true, but these days prison doesnt even seenm 2 be that bad. people get all the luxuries in there when they should really hav nothin.

No amount of luxuries can overcome the isolation from family and friends. The loss of freedom to control any aspect of your day. Stop and think of how dull and demeaning life would be it you were told what time to go to bed what time to wake up what time to eat, no choice of food. ( US Prisons will make concessions for religious limitations) No choice of friends. Complete loss of choice about everything.

exuse me but my sis works in a prison and a few of my bro-inlaws are locked up so i do no wot go's on in there! so i do no wot im talkin about thanx very much. Men that do that deserve 2 get tortured for life

Men that do that deserve 2 get tortured for life

And what has toture ever accomplished?
Toture is just man's inhumanity to humanity.

Originally Posted by nelly

that is true, but these days prison doesnt even seenm 2 be that bad. people get all the luxuries in there when they should really hav nothin.

This guy will probably go to a US military prison such as Fort Leavenworth,
These prisons operate quit a bit differently then a regular civilian prison I don't think they have many luxuries there.

Originally Posted by Tayyaba

^^ Sorry i really thought that was funny....
Why act as if stuff like this doesnt happen ..but yea source would be nice.

Look "mate". The point is not to pretend that this didn't happen. It did. It was discovered by the US military. It was prosecuted vigorously. The defendants are being convicted (or plea-bargaining) one by one. One defendant cannot be tried by military trial as he has been discharged. He will be tried in a US criminal court..in Tennessee, I think. He is not going to be happy with that as the potential sentences are more severe (possibly including the death penalty which is perfectly fine by me).

The point is the editorial appendix that removed chose to add.

As you seem to find preposterous generalizations based on religious or national or ethnic identity to be a funny matter how would it be if I were to make the claim that, deep in their hearts, all English Muslims were secretly rooting for the Underground bombers? And that they are secretly conspiring to slowly take over all British institutions and institute Sharia after which, non-Muslims will be forced to work as domestic servants and eat their meager meals in with crooked backs in broom closets so that they might not offend their Muslim superiors.

Would that be funny?

What in G-ds name are u talking about I was talking about what Woodrow said "mate." People these days, sheesh. It really shows what you conjure up in ur mind beforehand. Thats dangerous "mate." Please quit buggin me now.

Originally Posted by Tayyaba

What in G-ds name are u talking about I was talking about what Woodrow said "mate." People these days, sheesh. It really shows what you conjure up in ur mind beforehand. Thats dangerous "mate." Please quit buggin me now.

Sorry. Yes I can see now that the first part of your post may have been responding to Woodrow though it wasn't obvious at the time. The second part of your post seemed; however, to be ridiculing those who found Removed's comments offensive.

Something about Removed's comment about the "demented, and mentally disturbed, Americn nutters" set me off. I made an assumption in regard to your post. The internet is an imperfect means of communication. My mistake.

I will set you back to ignore status.

Lol, it's ok. At least it's been resolved now

Peace

thats sickening, poor girl, she grew up as a good muslim girl chaste and all and these barbarians took it all away from her in one night in the most brutal sickening manner. this is the freedom and democracy.

Just in case some have forgotten, the former Iraqi government, which was displaced by the US attack, was no friend of the weak. A bestial regime is replaced by an elected Iraqi government and an imperfect occupation. Of course, this doesn't matter..does it? Because the war was "illegal"



Uday: career of rape, torture and murder


Suzanne Goldenberg
Wednesday July 23, 2003
The Guardian


He was a monster even by the standards of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a sadist with a taste for cruelty so extreme that even his father was forced to acknowledge that his first-born son would not be a worthy heir.
And yet for all that Uday Saddam Hussein symbolised the brutality of the Iraqi regime, his powers were severely circumscribed. Although he retained the privileges of the much-indulged son of a dictator, he was shunted from the real centres of power in the military and security services by his quieter, younger brother Qusay.

Although Uday nominally had a role in politics - following his election to parliament with 99% of the vote in 1999 - he was studiously absent from Iraqi television during the dying days of the regime.

It was clear controllers realised that showing too many pictures of the most hated man in Iraq was hardly going to spur resistance.

It was not the life that Uday had intended. Of Saddam's two sons, he was the flamboyant one - towering well over 6ft, with a penchant for fast cars and loud and drunken parties, expensive suits and flowing robes, as well as murder, rape and torture.

His public duties ranged from the Iraqi Olympic Committee and the national football team, to Babel, supposedly an independent newspaper, and Shabab, or youth television, to the Iraqi Photographers' Association. He also was in charge of the dreaded Saddam Fedayeen militia.

For those unfortunate enough to have strayed across his path, Uday's reasons for taking on such a public life were pathetic: he wanted to build a public profile in preparation for taking over from Saddam.

The search for public approbation appears to have taken over in the mid-1980s when Uday first took a close interest in sport. Footballers say he never really understood or showed much interest in the game itself, but was desperate enough for a win that he would phone up the dressing room during half-time to threaten to cut off players' legs and throw them to ravenous dogs.

As football overseer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard, with written instructions on how many times each player should be beaten on the soles of his feet after a particularly poor showing.

He also carried a grudge. "Once you came to Uday's notice, he never left you alone. The only time I managed to get away from his eyes was when I went outside Iraq," star performer Habib Jaffar told the Guardian last April.

Uday's excesses carried over in his private life where he had a reputation for ordering any girl or woman who caught his eye to be brought to his private pleasure dome.

The palace, a bad taste Arabian nights fantasy, was decorated with indoor fountains and erotic murals and was in the grounds of his father's presidential estate. A nearby chamber contained huge stashes of drugs as well as an HIV testing kit, according to US forces.

He is also reported to have operated an even more private torture chamber on the banks of the Tigris.

But his brutality finally caught up with him. In 1988 he bludgeoned to death his father's bodyguard Kamal Hana Jajo in front of horrified partygoers.

He also shot one of his uncles in the leg. The murder, shootings, and other erratic behaviour put him in permanent disfavour with Saddam. He was briefly exiled to Switzerland and, while he was allowed to return to Iraq, he was never again deemed suitable for succession.

Uday's marriages were a further source of embarrassment to his father.

His two brief dynastic liaisons - with the daughters of a senior Ba'ath party aide of Saddam and an uncle - were dissolved after Uday beat up his brides.

His remove from power grew even greater in 1996 when gunmen fired on his red Porsche as it sped through the streets of Baghdad. The attack left the scion of Saddam able to walk only with great difficulty.

It also appears to have deepened his rage against his fellow Iraqis. Sports figures in Iraq say he had come to see his duties at the Olympic committee only as a source of ready cash. His cruelty, already legendary, deepened.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...004174,00.html

Or this. Note that wrongdoers in the US military are prosecuted....in the perfect Islmaic paradise that was Saddam's Iraq...well...read for yourself.


Sunday, May. 25, 2003
The Sum of Two Evils
Saddam's nastiest biological weapons may have been his sons Uday and Qusay.

TIME takes an exclusive look inside their reign of terror
By BRIAN BENNETT AND MICHAEL WEISSKOPF I BAGHDAD

After months of recovering from an attempt on his life that put eight bullets in his left side, Uday Hussein, the eldest son of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, was ready to party. At his first outing in 1998, at the posh Jadriyah Equestrian Club, he used high-powered binoculars to survey the crowd of friends and family from a platform high above the guests. He saw something he liked, recalls his former aide Adib Shabaan, who helped arrange the party. Uday tightened the focus on a pretty 14-year-old girl in a bright yellow dress sitting with her father, a former provincial governor, her mother and her younger brother and sister.

Uday's bodyguards picked up the signal and walked through the darkened room, flicking cigarette lighters as they approached the girl's table. Uday, then 33, flipped on his too, confirming they had identified the right one. When the girl left the table for the powder room, Uday's bodyguards approached her with a choice, says Shabaan, who was Uday's business manager. She could ascend the platform now and congratulate Uday on his recovery, or she could call him on his private phone that night. Flustered, she apologized and said her parents would allow neither. One of the guards replied, "This is the chance of your life" and promised she would receive diamonds and a car. "All you have to do is go up there for 10 minutes," he urged. When she demurred again, the bodyguards pursued Uday's backup plan. They maneuvered the girl in the direction of the parking lot, picked her up and carried her to the backseat of Uday's car, covering her mouth to muffle her screams.

After three days the girl was returned to her home, with a new dress, a new watch and a large sum of cash. Her parents had her tested for rape; the result was positive. According to Shabaan's account, Uday heard she had been tested and sent aides to the clinic, where they warned doctors not to report a rape. Furious, the father demanded to see Saddam himself. Rebuffed, he kept complaining publicly about what Uday had done. After three months, the President's son had had enough. He sent two guards to the man to insist that he drop the matter. Uday had another demand: that the ex-governor bring his daughter and her 12-year-old sister to his next party. "Your daughters will be my girlfriends, or I'll wipe you off the face of the earth." The man complied, surrendering both girls.

cont. at http://www.mafhoum.com/press5/147P57.htm

Originally Posted by Cognescenti

Or this. Note that wrongdoers in the US military are prosecuted....in the perfect Islmaic paradise that was Saddam's Iraq...well...read for yourself.


Sunday, May. 25, 2003
The Sum of Two Evils
Saddam's nastiest biological weapons may have been his sons Uday and Qusay.

TIME takes an exclusive look inside their reign of terror
By BRIAN BENNETT AND MICHAEL WEISSKOPF I BAGHDAD

After months of recovering from an attempt on his life that put eight bullets in his left side, Uday Hussein, the eldest son of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, was ready to party. At his first outing in 1998, at the posh Jadriyah Equestrian Club, he used high-powered binoculars to survey the crowd of friends and family from a platform high above the guests. He saw something he liked, recalls his former aide Adib Shabaan, who helped arrange the party. Uday tightened the focus on a pretty 14-year-old girl in a bright yellow dress sitting with her father, a former provincial governor, her mother and her younger brother and sister.

Uday's bodyguards picked up the signal and walked through the darkened room, flicking cigarette lighters as they approached the girl's table. Uday, then 33, flipped on his too, confirming they had identified the right one. When the girl left the table for the powder room, Uday's bodyguards approached her with a choice, says Shabaan, who was Uday's business manager. She could ascend the platform now and congratulate Uday on his recovery, or she could call him on his private phone that night. Flustered, she apologized and said her parents would allow neither. One of the guards replied, "This is the chance of your life" and promised she would receive diamonds and a car. "All you have to do is go up there for 10 minutes," he urged. When she demurred again, the bodyguards pursued Uday's backup plan. They maneuvered the girl in the direction of the parking lot, picked her up and carried her to the backseat of Uday's car, covering her mouth to muffle her screams.

After three days the girl was returned to her home, with a new dress, a new watch and a large sum of cash. Her parents had her tested for rape; the result was positive. According to Shabaan's account, Uday heard she had been tested and sent aides to the clinic, where they warned doctors not to report a rape. Furious, the father demanded to see Saddam himself. Rebuffed, he kept complaining publicly about what Uday had done. After three months, the President's son had had enough. He sent two guards to the man to insist that he drop the matter. Uday had another demand: that the ex-governor bring his daughter and her 12-year-old sister to his next party. "Your daughters will be my girlfriends, or I'll wipe you off the face of the earth." The man complied, surrendering both girls.

cont. at http://www.mafhoum.com/press5/147P57.htm

That poor girl! Not that the current situation is any better, but it is good that Uday never had a chance to run the country.

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

It would be very hard to get conclusive proof of any actual incidents in a country that had a father in power as a dictator.

Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

Muslim brothers and sisters have told stories of his cruelty, I don't think they would lie about him for no reason.