which muslim brothers and sisters? and just because their muslims doesnt make what they say 100% true, until then its still hear-say, there has to be actual proof, many were saying iraq had WMD'S including iraqi muslims, and what happened? so until real proof is brought all these stories are hear-say and nothing more.

Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

Ask the people of Iraq. There is your proof.
And rape, ANY TYPE OF RAPE, should mean death.
Allah is most Just. He will deal with them accordingly.

Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari

which muslim brothers and sisters? and just because their muslims doesnt make what they say 100% true, until then its still hear-say, there has to be actual proof, many were saying iraq had WMD'S including iraqi muslims, and what happened? so until real proof is brought all these stories are hear-say and nothing more.

Well then what makes anything anyone says true? Its all just hearsay. Why is it that in sharia a certain number of witnesses can be proof, yet this number is not good enough for you against someone that was so obviously a torturer of our brothers and sisters?

this is horrible and frustrating.this is one of the many cases that have come into notice in d media.there might be many other unknown stories

Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari

which muslim brothers and sisters? and just because their muslims doesnt make what they say 100% true, until then its still hear-say, there has to be actual proof, many were saying iraq had WMD'S including iraqi muslims, and what happened? so until real proof is brought all these stories are hear-say and nothing more.

In 2007, I wouldn't have thought it possible, but yes, there is at least one Uday supporter.

I have actually seen the video described in this report. It was on the Public Broadcasting System program called Frontline. No human being could watch this documentary and fail to be convinced of the irredeemable evil of Uday Hussein. Compared to him Saddam was like a friendly ice cream salesman. They were both sociopaths, but Saddam was smarter (but certainly no genius) and not quite as impulsive.

Oh yes...though not mentioned in this report...the women are dressed, shall I say, in an unislamic fashion.


THE BIRTHDAY PARTY TAPE

One of the most memorable tapes is of a birthday celebration. When the drunken Uday becomes bored with sullen dancing girls, he pulls out a machine gun and starts shooting in the air in time with the beat from the band. When that palls, he fires at champagne bottles with his pistol and orders one of his flunkies to throw beer bottles in the air for him to shoot at with an assault rifle. For fun, he aims a few rounds over the heads of his guests, some of whom throw themselves on the ground in terror, only to arise laughing and clapping at the prank, and, no doubt, in relief at still being alive. Uday then finishes off the party by shooting directly over the heads of the band members, who amazingly, keep playing. The keyboard player crouches behind his instrument, still pounding the keys, as Uday shoots up the HAPPY BIRTHDAY sign hung at head level across the stage. When he runs out of bullets, Uday shakes hands with the frightened singer, and just to show he’s a good sport, tells the keyboard player: “See all those holes? All those bullets could be in your belly.” Then he laughs.

In all of the birthday party tapes, the only person who seems to enjoy himself is Uday. Everyone else, including the band, seems petrified with fear. Most of his guests are women, who dance together listlessly as everyone keeps an eye on the guest of honor. In the video showcasing his 32nd birthday in 1996, he hands an AK-47 to a young boy, and helps him fire shots in the air. The highlight of that event: when the fireworks set the brush and lawn next to his house on fire.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3068268/site/newsweek/

Sorry guys i forgot to add the link. It was taken from Al-Jazeera. Here is the link - http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...C7750FCD5C.htm

Now, from the thread which started, what was so hate filled that it does not deserve to be put up? Was it the case that the American soldiers should in my opinion have been given the death penalty? Was it because it brought out the true colours of SOME of the American soldiers that are supposedly spreading democracy and trying to bring freedom to the Iraqi people.

Second point - How is what I said so venemous? Is wishing for the death penalty as is the case in Iraq and law of the land venemous or just justice. Seeing that they took the life of a young girl after raping her and then killing her familiy the least they desrver is the death penalty.

Third point, how and where did i say all American soldiers are the same or that all americans are the same? Find the quotes and dont just make comments up. Find the quote and i will apologise and if so resign from teh forum? I will wiat for this one, because it is the second time consegnetti has made a vile lie about me!

fourth and final point to consegnetti. What made you think that i have or am buddys with the likes of 7/11 bombers. Ill tell you straight i condemn their actions. But you made a general statment probalbly based on the asumption that i am a muslim and that i accept and promote such things. An dhow the mods can let someone make false claims that i am linked to 7/11 bombers is quite bizzare.

Salaam,

These men of the US should have faced Iraqi Court,and their justice is swift.

Murder,rape,lying...

They should all be beheaded.

But with the rampant injustice,and the immunity the US soldiers/citizens face even when doing EVIL,casues such thing.

Will Iraq have peace if the oppresors deny them justice.

I can kill you,you cant sue me or seek Justice.
GO away....

Or this. Note that wrongdoers in the US military are prosecuted....in the perfect Islamic paradise that was Saddam's Iraq...well...read for yourself.

Iraq under Saddam was secular.

To illegaly invade ones country is bad enough, but to intentionally rape a girl and kill her family and then try to cover it up is sick and deserves punishment, whether it be from the iraqis or the us government. And the punishment should be no less than death. At least the Britsh troops have abit of morals, unlike some of the demented, and mentally disturbed, Americn nutters.

where's there is war there will rape,torture,killing of innocents,no matter who conducts.

Exactly, but he thought just because it was ruled by a muslim, it celebrated eid and that it was overwhleming muslim is was ruled by islamic law. Talk about making a gernerla statements!!!

it doesn't matter whether the government was Islamic or not.what matters,is how good it was in dispensing justice.and I believe Saddam denied justice.such dynasties are pretty common.
I mean if a Royal Saudi prince rapes a woman,do you think he will be executed even if the Islamic laws says so?don't think so.
sorry for going off-topic.I am glad the US military is bringing these criminals to justice.

Originally Posted by Woodrow

No amount of luxuries can overcome the isolation from family and friends. The loss of freedom to control any aspect of your day. Stop and think of how dull and demeaning life would be it you were told what time to go to bed what time to wake up what time to eat, no choice of food. ( US Prisons will make concessions for religious limitations) No choice of friends. Complete loss of choice about everything.

After a life of freedom & luxury that may seem like punishment but it's nothing compared to the punishment when their no-good kaffir souls will be painfully dragged out of their bodies and subjected to the punishments of the grave and Hell-fire. Then worldly imprisonment will seem like a luxury to them.

Originally Posted by Isaac

Exactly, but he thought just because it was ruled by a muslim, it celebrated eid and that it was overwhleming muslim is was ruled by islamic law. Talk about making a gernerla statements!!!

Isaac;

Come on man. Everybody knows Iraq was secular. It's called irony, brother.

I used the term "Islamic paradise" to describe Hussein's Iraq. Surely, anyone capable of toasting muffins in the morning can see that was meant to be satirical. Do I have to put a winking smilie on everything for you guys?

How does it feel to have an Uday cheerleader on your side? That has to smart a bit doesn't it?

While we are on the topic of the enlightened royal family of Iraq, how do the Muslims here, who I suspect are mostly Sunni, feel about the execution of Saddam. His Shia executioners pulled the trap door just as he was reciting a Muslim prayer. There he was, right in the middle of a prayer. If he ever prayed before it was likely the onlly time he meant it in 60 years...and they disrespected him by not even letting him finish the prayer. Plus it was conducted on a religious holdiay.

Nicely done, wouldnt you say? Of course, it is the American justice system that is corrupted, eh?

Personally, he got the justice that most if not all the people expected, but never thought they would see. So regarding his execution. That itself was not the problem, but i think the whole climax and political circumstances surrounding it.

Here you have an iraqi sunni president, who opressed many shia. now his exceutioners, are shia, opressed and full of revenge. he is recitating a prayer, but half way through his executioners taunt him and call the name of sadrs uncle who was supposedly executed under saddam. They then let him hang.

Its just comes across as one side taking revenge on the other. Not the execution, because that was justice, but the way it was all done, the timing, the taunting and so forth.

very sad

i hope the sister has a nice, peacefull and safe future life insha-allah

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/uss....ap/index.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2897526

This proves the system works. Soldiers who do bad things are tried and punished under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.

This group of soldiers raped a young girl and then murdered her and her family. In addition to the horrible crime itself they dishonored their uniform, their country and their family.

They deserve everything they got or will get and more.