Originally Posted by Darkseid

Unless you are suggesting cloning, you cannot bring back the dead.

Allah can bring back dead, but the manner he does it is never actually understood or accepted. My idea is reicarnation. If you read the Koran it talks about a personal hell as punishment. What better personal hell than to relive on the same planet with more harsh and harsh torment as the ages progress in more troubling times. I consider that to be the best personal hell anyone could make. Earth = Hell? Makes sense to me.

So who is Jesus? Is he the reincarnation of anyone or is there something more to this story?

I know the man very well, more than I take credit and it would shock you personally if you knew who he was and who we will become or has become.

But we can rule out the obvious Earthly citizens that aren't Jesus.

1) Anyone who is in power now is not the return of Jesus.
2) Anyone who strongly follows a current faith (no matter how popular or unpopular it is) is not the return of Jesus.
3) Anyone who has commit murder is not the return of Jesus.
4) Anyone who seeks to destroy Israel or Palestine is not the return of Jesus.
5) Anyone who truly believe the bible story of Jesus is not the return of Jesus.
6) Anyone who doesn't consider the possibility of extraterrestrials is not the return of Jesus.
7) Anyone who resembles entirely the image portrayed as Jesus never was Jesus and is not the return of Jesus.

The Return of Jesus will come from an unexpected event circling the return of God's Angels to the realm of man.

When that event occurs then the true Jesus will be made clear to all. But before that time only the seven statements above will give you a clear indication on who won't be the return of Jesus. But mark my words Jesus is already alive and walking amongst us, not as Jesus but still as a descendent of a Jew.

How do I know this? I don't know. I can't possibly be Jesus, I'm too unworthy and sinful. But I can tell you that the type of soul that I am offers me the ability to know hidden truth to events that will occur. I don't understand it myself. I only know who I am spiritually and what I am suppose to do in this life.

Hello!

Hrm... in Islamic teachings Jesus (pbuh) never died.

And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Jesus) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Qur'an 4:157-158

Peace.

Originally Posted by NoName55

Are you saying Christ is dead?

Everyone dies except for Allah. Allah is the only being that cannot die, because Allah is fully divine.

Jesus (or Yeshua, his real name) was a normal mortal being and mere prophet of god. Jesus has to die to be reborn or Jesus would age endlessly and tire greatly. Death as seen in koran or any faith is not as troublesome as you may believe. Remember you go to paradise after you die as long as you don't sin or don't sin enough to be put somewhere else. The place you are put in my opinion is just right back on earth to recycle to re-occurance of souls that exist on the Earth. Souls are recycled into new bodies or beings so that life may renew. By being put back on Earth, you encounter the same horrible fate over and over as seen in the Koran.

Therefore death is a release from pain rather than the mere greatest extent of pain. But the manner of which you die should be understood as the as perhaps being greatest extent of misery and pain. However, that depends on how you die not when you die. Death from being beheaded, hanged, shot, stabbed, or otherwise are extremely tormenting and can scar the soul as it passes on. It is because it scars the soul that it is understood to be a sinful practice. When you harm the soul, you are commiting a true sin. Something that can truly be called a sin and not by someone's interpretation of a sin.

But you must know that death by a natural means like old age is by far less tormenting and is appreciated as a means of ending the torment of life.

Anyways, Yeshua (Jesus) was a mortal man like Muhammad, the founder of the Bahai'i faith, Buddha, Krishna, Moses, Jerimiah, and other prophets.

There is more than one prophetic soul in existence, but there still remains less prophetic souls than prophets. I think there are only about 50 prophetic souls that had existed as mortal beings on this earth. Only a third of that amount have been expressed and recorded in history as being prophets, messiahs, demi-gods, gods, or apostles or as something else. All prophetic souls reincarnate and it is hard to say who they become in their next life.

For all we know, Muhammad could very well be the reincarnation of Jesus or the reincarnation of one of his apostles or the reincarnation of John the Baptist. But I do know that Muhammad, Jesus, and John the Baptist cannot be reincarnations of female souls. I do know there are two kinds of souls and they cannot reincarnate into a living person of the opposite gender. Jesus is very likely to be the reincarnation of Buddha, by the way. Reincarnation does not occur in the same manner that people believes it occurs under. Not all souls reincarnate, but most do.

Reincarnation presents the same souls under a different environment (perhaps very similar the one they were in) and therefore may be almost completely different to someone as they were before. Certain parts remain the same and do differ from every other soul. The part that makes them a prophet will always be the same. The strength of their prophetic ability will remain the same. If Jesus and Muhammad had the same prophetic strength, then they are one soul that had existed under two different periods of history. But their close association to language and culture will differ depending on how they were raised. They could also develope a mental illness as well depending on how they were raised. Many factors are important to understand as how a prophet is raised and becomes who they are in the next life. This is how and why I know that Jesus's next reicarnation will not associate him under the a current faith. Jesus is an individualist like Muhammad and therefore always establishes a new faith. This doesn't mean that Muhammad was the reincarnation of Jesus. It means that Muhammad and Jesus are prophetic souls with much in similarity. They could be very well one soul that existed under two different periods of history. But they could also be two souls that existed under similar conditions as two similar people but with some differences in two different periods in history. You could have both Muhammad and Jesus walking amongst us as two different people or as one person. It is your own belief to consider which is true between the two.

I do know that they reincarnate rather than continue to live in heaven, because they worry greatly about mankind. They worry greatly about their descendents and followers. All which they consider to be their children, but also children of Allah as they are children of Allah.

Also I do know that though there trillions among trillions of souls, there is still a definite number and that Allah will oppose making more souls. (Because it makes existence too over crowded than it already is) Allah perfers there to be more space for himself and for everyone else. Therefore than can only be a definite number of souls in existence.

This is more definitely a ton of information that is would be impropriate to show you in this fashion. But I believe most of you are mature enough to take in some of it and perhaps believe in it or find some new spark to your beliefs. There is still a number of you as in everyone like the times of Muhammad and Jesus that require that information to be processed slowly or from a younger age when you are more accepted of different ideas and beliefs. This is all up to you on how this information will be handeled and so I give it to you the right on how it will be accepted by the people on this planet. Choose wisely.

Everyone dies except for Allah. Allah is the only being that cannot die, because Allah is fully divine.

welcome Mr.Darkseid on this thread:

We are as a moslems believe that Allah is the only being that cannot die, because Allah is fully divine as you said .. but we don't believe in metempsychosis as you do.

I believe that there is difference between us but that doesn't forbid me from regard your opinion.

The Prophet Mohammed (may God bless him and grant him peace) has revealed many important matters about Jesus' return, as well as some of the things that will happen before and after this event, in his hadiths. All of this information is from the "Unseen," and was given to him by God, as related in the following verse:

He [God] is the Knower of the Unseen, and does not divulge His Unseen to anyone - except a Messenger with whom He is well pleased, and then He posts sentinels before him and behind him. (Surat al-Jinn , 72:26-27)

Our Lord also reveals that He sent knowledge to Prophet Mohammed (may God bless him and grant him peace) in his dreams:

God has confirmed His Messenger's vision with truth: "You will enter the Sacred Mosque [Masjid al-Haram] in safety, God willing, shaving your heads and cutting your hair without any fear." He knew what you did not know and ordained, in place of this, an imminent victory. (Surat al-Fath , 48:27)

God gives such knowledge to our Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) in order to help and support both him as well as all of the faithful believers who were with him.

Some of this revealed information deals with the signs of the End Times. The most significant of these revelations concerns Jesus' second coming. The hadiths about the End Times can be found in sahih (accredited) hadith collections such as Imam Nawawi's Riyadh as-Salihin, Imam Malik's Al-Muwatta', Ibn Khuzayma's Sahih, Ibn Hibban's Sahih, Ibn Ahmad Hanbal's Musnad, and Abu Dawud al-Tayalisi's Musnad. From these sources, we learn that the Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) made many important revelations about Jesus, all of which are considered tawatur (reliable).

The Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) reveals in his hadiths that religious morality will dominate the world; that peace, justice, and prosperity will prevail; and that this will be achieved by Jesus, who will unite the Christian and Islamic worlds. At present, many societies are under the influence of anti-religious philosophies, and the resulting models are obvious. Such problems as immorality, drugs, terrorism, and famine demand that Christians and Muslims join together to fight these problems on an intellectual level. The world's current social structure makes an alliance between Islam and Christianity inevitable. Considering Christianity's influence over the West and its leaders, the influence that an alliance between Islam and Christianity would have is clear enough for all to see.

If you want to read about this subject visit this site http://www.jesuswillreturn.com
by harun yahya.

peace

Brotherhood of three religion:
As people who believe in God and follow His revelations, let us rally to a common formula - "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let us pray God to lead us to an even straighter path. When Muslims, Christians and Jews rally to a common formula this way; when they understand that they are friends not enemies,then the world will become a very different place.
The fighting that has raged for ages, enmities, fears - and terrorist attacks - will come to an end, and a new civilization based on love, respect and peace will be established upon this "common formula".

http://www.unionoffaiths.com

I'm sorry but Islam does not tell us to have union of faiths, the only way Muslims will accept this union of faiths is if we all unite under the religion of all the prophets, the religion of God, Islam. As Muslims we must believe that there is only one correct religion, there is no uncertainty about this.
As Muslims we must treat people who are not Muslim kindly and fairly, but we can not love them or take them as awlya' (close friends).
Our real friends are other Muslims.. chapter 5 verse 55-57 (( Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship of) Believers, those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship). [56] As to those who turn (for friendship) to Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship of) Believers, it is the Fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph. [57] O ye who believe! Take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport, whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah if ye have Faith (indeed).))
Allah tells us chapter 60 verse 4 (( There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"..))
Allah also warns us chapter 4 verse 51 (( O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust))

I found this:


Surah Mumtahinah 60:8 - Tafsir Ibn Kathir


The Permissibility of being Kind to Disbelievers who do not fight against the Religion And Allah's statement;


[لاَّ يَنْهَـكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَـتِلُوكُمْ فِى الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِّن دِيَـرِكُمْ]


(Allah does not forbid you with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes,) means, those who did not have a role in your expulsion. Therefore, Allah does not forbid you from being kind to the disbelievers who do not fight you because of the religion, such as women and weak disbelievers,


[أَن تَبَرُّوهُمْ]


(to deal kindly) to be gentle with them,
[وَتُقْسِطُواْ إِلَيْهِمْ]


(and justly with those) to be fair with them
[إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ]


(Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Asma' bint Abu Bakr said, "My mother, who was an idolatress at the time, came to me during the Treaty of Peace, the Prophet conducted with the Quraysh. I came to the Prophet and said, `O Allah's Messenger! My mother came visiting, desiring something from me, should I treat her with good relations' The Prophet said,
«نَعَمْ صِلِي أُمَّك»


(Yes. Keep good relation with your mother.)'' The Two Sahihs recorded this Hadith. Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin Zubayr said, "Qutaylah came visiting her daughter, Asma' bint Abi Bakr, with some gifts, such as Dibab, cheese and clarified (cooking) butter, and she was an idolatress at that time. Asma' refused to accept her mother's gifts and did not let her enter her house. `A'ishah asked the Prophet about his verdict and Allah sent down the Ayah,


[لاَّ يَنْهَـكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَـتِلُوكُمْ فِى الدِّينِ]


(Allah does not forbid you with those who fought not against you on account of religion) until the end of the Ayah. Allah's Messenger ordered Asma' to accept her mother's gifts and to let her enter her house.'' Allah's statement,
[إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ]


(Allah loves those who deal with equity.) was duly explained in the Tafsir of Surat Al-Hujurat. We also mentioned the authentic Hadith,


«الْمُقْسِطُونَ عَلى مَنَابِرَ مِنْ نُورٍ عَنْ يَمِينِ الْعَرْشِ، الَّذِينَ يَعْدِلُونَ فِي حُكْمِهِمْ وَأَهَالِيهِمْ وَمَا وَلُوا»


(The just, who are fair in their decisions, families and those under their authority, will be on podiums made of light, to the right of the Throne.)

Yes i totally agree with everything you said, we must be fair to them, treat them kindly, and if they have a closer relationship to us (like familly, or neighbours) then this should be respected more, as you mentioned in the Hadeeth. Still this does not me calling for the unity of religions, or even to love the people who do not believe in Islam. Dealing with people well is on thing and loving them is another.

peace be upon you:

"Allah does not forbid you with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes,to deal kindly and justly with those,Allah loves those who deal with equity."

thank you brother Fi_Sabilillah for this reply .. Jazaka'allah khairan.

Yes i totally agree with everything you said, we must be fair to them, treat them kindly, and if they have a closer relationship to us (like familly, or neighbours) then this should be respected more, as you mentioned in the Hadeeth. Still this does not me calling for the unity of religions, or even to love the people who do not believe in Islam. Dealing with people well is on thing and loving them is another.

brother Karimeldib .. Iam really regard you and your different opinion.
and I agree with you about this point:

As Muslims we must treat people who are not Muslim kindly and fairly, but we can not love them or take them as awlya' (close friends).

on this thread I don't mean only the Coexistence between moslems and not moslems .. I mean as well the Coexistence between the moslems themselves.
between sunna and shia'a .. between you and me.
we should appreciate each other, understand each other, regard each other even we are different.
I don't talk about Love Or Hate ....

Insha'allah This thread will talk about the storys of the four Imams (Islamic scholars): ash-Shafe’yy, Abu-Hanifa, Malik and Ahmad Ibn-Hanbal.
that will focus on coexistence intertwined in the stories of the four Imams.

I hope this thread be benefic to you and me as well ..

peace

A call to an Islamic union:
On this site we shall be concentrating on the urgent requirement for the establishment of an Islamic Union, one of the most important needs facing the Muslim World with its 1.2 billion population spead over a broad region of the world.

http://www.theislamicunion.com

Greetings and peace be with you mariam
Striving to bring about an Islamic Union inevitably means bringing people together with diverse beliefs. What possible grounds are there to bring people together?

Islam is not on its own in the search for unity, Christianity also suffers with many schisms and would dearly like unity.

It always seems like a power struggle with two giants seeking supremacy.

Somehow despite all our differences I believe that interfaith friendship is the way forwards; were we seek justice for all people despite all our great differences.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric

Originally Posted by mariam.

Brotherhood of three religion:
As people who believe in God and follow His revelations, let us rally to a common formula - "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let us pray God to lead us to an even straighter path. When Muslims, Christians and Jews rally to a common formula this way; when they understand that they are friends not enemies,then the world will become a very different place.
The fighting that has raged for ages, enmities, fears - and terrorist attacks - will come to an end, and a new civilization based on love, respect and peace will be established upon this "common formula".

http://www.unionoffaiths.com

Thankyou Mariam for this thread, when I read this I actually cried.

I do not have my Quran to hand to put the correct quote but didn't Allah say that had He wished He could have made all people one nation and one religion. Clearly He didn't and on the day of judgement Allah will tell us the difference between us. If I have understood this correctly then who are we (as mere people) to 'judge' people for their nationality, skin colour or faith?

Perhaps a brother or sister could let me know Quranic quote for this passage and let me know if I have understood it correctly.

More Harun Yahya junk.
I guess Adnan Oktar extensive education in Interior Design gives him great insight on how do deign a world union.

http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...6?pageNumber=2

These theoretical debates became a pressing issue in France last month when schools unexpectedly received free copies of an "Atlas of Creation" by Turkish Islamist Harun Yahya that blames Darwinism for everything from terrorism to Nazism.

Originally Posted by Karimeldib

I'm sorry but Islam does not tell us to have union of faiths, the only way Muslims will accept this union of faiths is if we all unite under the religion of all the prophets, the religion of God, Islam. As Muslims we must believe that there is only one correct religion, there is no uncertainty about this.
As Muslims we must treat people who are not Muslim kindly and fairly, but we can not love them or take them as awlya' (close friends).
Our real friends are other Muslims.. chapter 5 verse 55-57 (( Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship of) Believers, those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship). [56] As to those who turn (for friendship) to Allah, His Messenger, and the (Fellowship of) Believers, it is the Fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph. [57] O ye who believe! Take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport, whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah if ye have Faith (indeed).))
Allah tells us chapter 60 verse 4 (( There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"..))
Allah also warns us chapter 4 verse 51 (( O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust))

I have heard this so many times and everytime it comes across just as disturbing as the last. It is a reason that I would never become a Muslim or follower of Islam, and is a reason that I look at many Muslims that I dont know with doubt and skepticism. Why not love another man or woman just because they dont share your faith? We do not live in the days of Muhammad, then there would have been reasons to not love someone of another faith or at the least be weary of them because of the persecution one may have faced in that day, today there is not the same problem, today it seems the Muslims by using this piece of the Quran are only making this a problem. We are all created by God, and I think we are all taught to love all of Gods creations, which by logic would say that we should all love each other. If Islam cannot love other religions just because they do not agree with their own then how can Islam be a religion of peace? Peace = Love, does it not? If this is the case Islam, a religion of peace, is preventing peace for the rest of the world. If this is the road Islam wants to take, than that is the choice of its believers, however its believers should also realize that this mindset will undoubtably have unwanted reprecussions from the other 5 billion people in the world.

How about a union that everyone could join? What a radical thought.

Why do some need to try to prove there superiority by excluding others?

If you apply any importance, to any label, other than human, that you place on someone, you ensure non-peaceful coexistence.

We should have a trade union of humanity and strike like hell.

Hey, it works for the French.