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I wish I was joking. It's a pity that the truth of our times is so absurd.

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May Allah reward the Dutch Brother for this noble act and hasten his release. Ameen.
His act according to my knowledge wasn't noble.He was violent and impatient.and it wasn't in an Islamioc state.
   
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Point well made. It simply wasn't in an Islamic state. and he is not a Qadi, and the repercussions for the Muslims there were quite predictably severe and it is now going to be very difficult to convince Dutch non-Muslims that Islam is the true religion.

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The inherent dangers of a religuos beleif is that they are open to such a wide range of interpretation

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4716909.stm
sorry, but as a muslim, i agree wholeheartedly with his statement

anyone who insults the prophet is subject to such a penalty,

Insulting the Holy Prophet and satirizing the Muslims. In Yemen, a woman in her songs said nasty things against the Holy Prophet. Another woman recited verses satirizing the Muslims. Muhajir b Umayya, the Governor of Yemen cut off the hands of both the women. When the case was reported to Abu Bakr he held that the women who had insulted the Holy Prophet should have been killed, while the other woman who had merely satirized the Muslims deserved a lenient treatment.
   
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Brother, seriously, watch what you say in these troubled times. There are spies everywhere, and it only takes one unguarded comment for an investigation to start.
a part of aqeedah is to have a proper understanding of Allah

Allah commands us to stand for truth, even if it against ourselves, and Allah commands us not to fear anyone but Him

if we are jailed, that is time in solitude
if we are killed, jannah awaits us
if we are tortured, that is forgiveness of sins
and if we are victorious, that is a great step for islam
   
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Mashallah brothers:applaud:couldn't said it better myself.There's no need to fear the enemy.If you have fear in your heart then Satan has a passage way into you and makes you weak and vulnerable.Like Hash said the so called," Muslim extremists are only engaged in war because they are defending their rights,family,honor,and deen."Not because they picked a fight rather one would say they were forced to fight.
   
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الحمد لله

yaa ikhwan

these are the best of times, not the worst, because it is thru trials and tribulations that separates the muslim from the hypocrite

if you have any doubt, truly read about the life of the prophet and his companions, may Allah bless the prophet and be pleased with the companions

read when they were surrounded by the quraysh at badr (was badr a "military target"?) and you see how thru trials and tribluations, we gain the pleasure of Allah

there are many ahaadith that relate that the prophet always spoke highly of those who fought at badr, the foremost in this world will be the foremost in the akhira

so hold tight to the rope of Allah, AND DO NOT BE DIVIDED

dont fear the blame of the blamers, they called the prophet crazy and many other names, and that did not stop him from his mission

each of us has a mission, and believe it or not it is not to have a career, it is to establish this deen, firstly within our hearts actions and words, and extend that to our family neighbors towns villages and countries

you will hear much that will grieve you from the kuffar, about islam, muslims, everything, but they are sworn enemies to Allah, His Messenger, this deen and the believers (except those who do not wage war against you, nor assist those in waging war against you)

islam not a religion of peace, nor a religion of war, it is a religion of dawa and good manners, and in that it encompasses peace and jihad in the way of Allah

let is not water down islam to please a people who hate islam, no matter what you do, these people will hate islam, except for those Allah finds good in their hearts and guides them to islam

stand firm as witnesses for justice, love Allah, love islam, love the messenger of Allah
   
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Oh you who believe, if a wicked person (fasiq) comes to you with any news, verify it lest you harm people unwittingly and afterwards regret what you have done” [EMQ 49:6] O ye who believe! Whoso of you becomes a renegade from his religion, (know that in his stead) Allah will bring a people whom He loves and who love Him, humble toward believers, stern toward disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah and fearing not the blame of any blamer. Such is the grace of Allah, which He gives unto whom He will. Allah is All Embracing, All Knowing. [Al_Quraan_005.054] ] And if you turn away, Allah will exchange you for some another people, and they will not be like you. [Al_Quraan_047.038]
   
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what did Van Gogh do?

Muezzin BTW, that guy is incorrect.We are supposed to tolerate not chop off anyone's head who insults Allah.Misunderstanding and misconception have occured I guess.


actually thats debateable bro

‘Ali RA narrated that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case
Abu Dawood

Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”


if a person repents that is different ... btw i am just pointing out


We are supposed to tolerate not chop off anyone's head who insults Allah

different to what you said above
   
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