as salaamu alaikum

sister shukri... no where did i say that NIQAAB WAS OBLIGATORY, all i said that it was part of islam and not part of a culture. i also said it's a matter of one's personal understanding of the deen and reports of the prophet and companions regarding the niqaab. so i just want to make sure that no one thinks im runnin around here saying NIQAAB IS FARD, but rather, it is something that's part of the deen, so whether it is fard, mustahab, wajib, sunnah, i will support it inshaAllah.


"Imam Shafi, Malik and Hanbal hold the view that niqaab (covering the face and the hands completely with only a small area for the eyes to see) as being compulsory (fard). Imam Abu Hanifa says that niqaab is Wajib and the face and hands can be exposed provided that there is not fear of desire if one looks at the female face, otherwise if there is the slightest chance of desire developing in the looker (the meaning of desire is that the looker would see the female face and think that she is beautiful, sexual thaught is not what is meant) then exposing the face and hands is Haraam."

(This is from the fatwaa issued by Mufti Anwar Ali Adam Al Mazahiri on 13/9/99. He derived the opnions of the 4 Imaams from these sources Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Tafseer Ma'rifatul Qur'aan, Durre Muhtaar, Fatawa Shami, Al Mabsoot, Fathul Qadeer. And the opinion of Imaam Abu hanifah is a directly derived from his statements in the Famous book of hanafi Fiqh Fatwaa Shami)

[http://members.tripod.com/~ibnfarooq...b.htm#4imaams]

and Allah ta'ala knows best.




i'd like to apologize to ROOT, i made the assumption you were muslim, so please forgive me for anything i said that either didnt make sense or sounded harsh =)


as salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

i'd like to apologize to ROOT, i made the assumption you were muslim, so please forgive me for anything i said that either didnt make sense or sounded harsh =)

Thanks for the comment. Don't worry I have sufficient thickness of skin :-)

Root you were wrong.You mixed adultery with rape.

Originally Posted in Islam online and Got this from Why Islam forums

Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.


In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.



All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.



Dear brother in Islam, thanks a lot for your question which reflects your care to have a clear view of the teachings of Islam. Allah commands Muslims to refer to people of knowledge to get themselves well-acquainted with the teachings of Islam as well as all aspects of life.

In Islam, we are not allowed to tarnish the honor of anyone. One is required to produce four witnesses when making an allegation of adultery against another person; otherwise, one will be guilty of slandering.

A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness. She is NOT required to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.

In his response to your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:


If a person makes an allegation of adultery against another person (male or female) he or she must produce four witnesses to support such an allegation; otherwise, he or she is guilty of slandering, which is a grave offense in Islam, for we are not to tarnish the honor of anyone.

A woman who has been raped cannot be asked to produce witnesses; her claim shall be accepted unless there are tangible grounds to prove otherwise. To insist that she provide witnesses is akin to inflicting further pain on her. If anyone refutes her claim of innocence, the onus is on him to provide evidence, and she may simply deny the claim by making a solemn oath, thus clearing herself in public. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The onus to provide evidence falls on the one who makes a claim, and the one who denies (the same) can absolve himself or herself by making a solemn oath to the contrary.”

As for a spouse who witnesses his or her partner committing adultery and the other party denies it and they are unable to provide witnesses, they are, if they so desire, to part company by repudiating each other by engaging in what is known as a solemn oath and prayer of curse (li`an). It is described thus in the Qur’an: “And those who accuse their wives, and have no witnesses but themselves, then the testimony of each of them shall be a testimony sworn by God repeated four times, that he is indeed truthful. And the fifth (oath) is that God’s curse be upon him if he is lying. And it shall avert punishment from her that she testify a testimony repeated and sworn by God four times, that he is lying. And a fifth (oath) that the wrath of God be upon her, if he has spoken the truth” (An-Nur: 6-9).

Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.muslims.ca

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503548970


http://www.islamonline.net/askabouti...uestionID=2681

Root you were wrong.You mixed adultery with rape.

Exscuse me, what do you mean exactly!

Do you mean Islam Online dictates Pakistan Law making framework. Or do you mean I was wrong about the majority of rape cases not being rape but adultry, and which part of my post do you feel was wrong

Regards

Root

Made a mistake sorry I thought you were talking about the Islamic law.Apologies.

Weren't those rapists later arrested?( I am talking about the recent rape case)

kinda sad who they are calling "leaders" these days. Why are so many muslims walking around afraid of the kufar and not ALlah? they are more concerned about what the kufar think of them and less concerned with obeying the One that created them and being worried about what He, aza wa jal, thinks of them. I just dont get it. The ummah really needs help. And when this so- called "Muslim leader" told women to remove their veil was he talking about the hijab or the niqab b/c sometimes the terms are used as synonyms? Either way I dont think muslims should change anything about ourselves. Allah tells us in the Quran that that they [kuffar] wish that you would compromise in your religion so that they might compromise with you. And He subhana wa ta 'ala also tells us that they [kuffar] will never be happy with us until we are like them. But in that case [if we become like them] we would surely be the losers in dunya and in akhira. The command for the hijab is in the Quran...mubeen...plain and simple. halas...no compromise.

Salaam.

It's their ideology we should attack and not themselves because not all muslim leaders are the same. they are all different.

I heard on the news the other day where the news presenter put it to a Muslim that Islam lacks a central voice such as the Pope with catholism. So when it comes to a single islamic point or understanding their is not one clear decisive interpretation on a matter pertaining to Islam!

thats with every faith though, hence all the different sects. in no matter with a group of people come to the same conclusion

Hence the necessity of a khalifah...

Indeed.

Sisters, seriously, if you think this guy is saying remove your hijab (which I still think he isn't), then feel free to ignore him if you so choose.

All this whinging about what I think might be a misinterpretation is just getting annoying now.

The Muezzin Has Spoken...

:d

Originally Posted by TEH

The Muezzin Has Spoken...

:d

I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the world

Having read sundus' post though, I have to agree with the mentality of no compromises.

Having read sundus' post though, I have to agree with the mentality of no compromises.

I am just happy that the West did not come to the same conclusion as you!!

Touche, root.

But I was just referring to the issue of the hijab. Muslim women shouldn't have to compromise with their headscarves. The veil is a different, more complex matter.

So I guess instead of touche, I should be saying 'enguarde'