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Im glad that you see my point. Actually in World Affairs there were no threads about latest attacks in Algeria.I really dont know why.Websites like islamonline ( which i respect and visit also every day) brought much attention to those tragic events.
No member has submitted a thread about them yet. Although us mods do sometimes start threads. It is best for the members to start threads in matters that are of concern to them.

I think one thing that changes the types of threads submitted is the diversity of the membership.

There are times when the majority of the people posting are non-Muslim and at those times the submitted posts will reflect what is of interest to them. Some days it seems that that of the posters are the pre-teens and younger. On those times the submitted threads will be what they submit. And so it goes.

Please feel free to submit a thread about anything that is of concern to you. But, remember the threads in World affairs are only approved once per day between 9 and 11 PM GMT. They may be submitted at any hour, but that is the time they will be reviewed.

I am really surprised nobody has submitted anything about Algeria. I thought many members would be submitting that story.
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Im glad that you see my point. Actually in World Affairs there were no threads about latest attacks in Algeria.I really dont know why.Websites like islamonline ( which i respect and visit also every day) brought much attention to those tragic events.
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23 Killed, 160 Injured in Bomb Attacks in Algeria's Capital


ALGIERS, Algeria — Bombs heavily damaged the prime minister's office and a police station Wednesday, killing at least 23 people and wounding about 160, the country's official news agency said. Al Qaeda's wing in North Africa claimed responsibility.

Prime Minister Abdelaziz Belkhadem, who was unhurt, called the attack a "cowardly, criminal terrorist act" as he spoke to reporters outside his wrecked offices.

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The attacks were a devastating setback for the North African nation's efforts to close the chapter on its Islamic insurgency that has killed 200,000 people. After years of relative calm, the Al Qaeda affiliate recently has recently waged several smaller attacks in the oil- and gas-rich nation.

According to Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera, a spokesman for Al Qaeda in Islamic North Africa claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying they were carried out by three homicide bombers in trucks packed with explosives.

Belkhadem declined to say how many had been killed or wounded. The official APS agency said at least 23 people were killed and 160 wounded in the two attacks but gave no breakdown. The other bombing targeted the police station of Bab Ezzouar, east of the capital, Algiers, on the road to its airport.

Witnesses said at least one of the attacks appeared to have been a car bomb.

A charred, wrecked car lay on the pavement about 98 feet from the gates of the government building — a modern white, block-like high-rise that also houses the Interior Ministry.

On Tuesday in neighboring Morocco, police surrounded a building in Casablanca where four terrorism suspects were holed up, causing three to flee and blow themselves up with explosives. The fourth was shot to death by a police sharpshooter as he apparently tried to detonate his bomb. A police officer was killed and 10 people, including a young child and a policeman, suffered injuries.

Since five suicide bombings that killed 45 people in Morocco in May 2003, police have pursued an unprecedented crackdown on suspected militants, arresting thousands of people, including some accused of working with Al Qaeda and its affiliates to plot attacks in Morocco and abroad.

Algeria's insurgency broke out in 1992, after the army canceled legislative elections that an Islamic party appeared set to win.

Since then, violence related to the insurgency has left an estimated 200,000 dead — civilians, soldiers and Islamic fighters — according to the government.

Military crackdowns and amnesty offers had turned them into a ragtag assembly of fighters in rural hideouts, and for several years, the government appeared to have them basically under control.

Algeria's main militant group recently changed its name to Al Qaeda in Islamic North Africa and began targeting foreigners — signs that the country's dwindling ranks of Islamic fighters were regrouping.

The latest attacks, especially on Belkhadem's office, showed that the militants are far from beaten, even though experts say that they number perhaps no more than several hundred people.

Belkhadem expressed bitterness at insurgents who refused the amnesty offers.

"The Algerian people stretched out a hand to them, and they respond with a terrorist act," he said.

Al-Jazeera said it received a telephone call from a spokesman for Al Qaeda in Islamic North Africa, identified as Abu Mohammed Salah, who claimed responsibility for the attacks.

The caller said that the explosions were carried out by three al-Qaeda members in trucks "filled" with explosives. His claims could not be independently confirmed.

"We won't rest until every inch of Islamic land is liberated from foreign forces," the spokesman said in a recording of the phone call played on Al-Jazeera.

Fayza Kebdi, a lawyer who works in an office opposite the government building, said the blast, about 10:45 a.m. local time, shattered her windows and blew her husband clear across the room.

"We thought the years of terrorism were over," she said. "We thought that everything was back to normal. But now, the fear is coming back."

The attacks were the deadliest to hit the Algiers region since 2002, when a bomb in a market in a suburb killed 38 people and injured 80.

Police cordoned off stairs leading up to the government building with orange police tape, and paramedics raced up the steps with stretchers. Paramedics escorted a man with blood on his head into an ambulance. Another woman, looking dazed and in tears, was checked for head injuries.

A March 3 bombing of a bus carrying workers for a Russian company killed a Russian engineer and three Algerians. A December attack near Algiers and targeting a bus carrying foreign employees of an affiliate of Halliburton killed an Algerian and a Lebanese citizen.

Al Qaeda in Islamic North Africa — the new name for the Salafist Group for Call and Combat, known by its French abbreviation GSPC — claimed responsibility for both attacks.

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Thank you RightousLady,

If anyone desires to copy that as a thread and post it as a seperate thread, please do so.

However, if any replies are made in this thread and take this thread off-topic the replies will be deleted. That is a separate topic and needs to be discussed in it's own thread.
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My understanding is if you can afford to go then do, if you can't no point in taking out bank loans and put yourself in debt. God can see all, you won't need to make a trip to Makka just to show your appreciation.
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My understanding is if you can afford to go then do, if you can't no point in taking out bank loans and put yourself in debt. God can see all, you won't need to make a trip to Makka just to show your appreciation.
that is correct. However if we are in sufficient health and financial able, it is an obligation and no excuses allowed. It is to be done at least once in our lifetime. That is the required. So if we have a year we can do it and don't, then get in an accident and can never travel agin. we have failed in our obligation.
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And with that, we all get back to the topic at hand. Any further off-topic posts will be deleted.
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Contemporary figures for Islam are usually between 900 million and 1.4 billion, with 1 billion being a figure frequently given in comparative religion texts, probably because it's such a nice, round number. The largest and best known branches of Islam are Sunni and Shi'ite. More.
Many Muslims (and some non-Muslim) observers claim that there are more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians in the world. Adherents.com has no reason to dispute this. It seems likely, but we would point out that there are different opinions on the matter, and a Muslim may define "practicing" differently than a Christian. In any case, the primary criterion for the rankings on this page is self-identification, which has nothing to do with practice.

Smaller groups within Islam include Sufis (although some Sufis regard their practice of Sufism as pan-denominational or non-denominational), Druze, the U.S.-based Nation of Islam (previously known as "Black Muslims"), and Ahmadiyya. As is true with all major religions, there are adherents within all branches of Islam who consider some of or all of the other branches heterodox or not actually part of their religion. But these classifications are based primarily on historical lineage and self-identification. Protestations and disagreements based on exclusivistic internal concepts of belief or practice are normal, but are largely immaterial with regards to historical, taxonomic and statistical classification.

Branch Number of Adherents
  • Sunni - 940,000,000
  • Shiite - 120,000,000
  • Ahmadiyya - 10,000,000 *
  • Druze - 450,000

Note: As with all other religions listed on this page (including Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism and Hinduism), not all historical branches of Islam consider each other acceptably orthodox. The numerically largest branch of Islam, Sunnis, believe that adherence to the five pillars of Islam and acceptance of certain key doctrinal positions are requisite for an individual's classification as a Muslim. Statistical data collection and secular/academic classification, however, are primarily based on self-identification and historical considerations.
The Druze, for example, are not considered part of the numerically dominant (i.e. "mainstream") Muslim grouping. But Druze are classified from a secular/historical perspective as a branch of Islam because they are derived from a branch of Shi'ite Islam. Having developed independently for hundreds of years, their cultural and religious self-concept is primarily Druze, without regard to how outside groups perceive or classify them. Nevertheless, they retain some self-concept as Muslims in addition to their clear historical ties.

This is merely a list of major branches of Islam. There are other groups which fall outside of the groups listed here. In the United States the Nation of Islam has varied widely in numerical and ideological prominence among American Muslims. It has variously been considered both heretical and acceptable by other Muslims. Sufism has been variously classified as a separate branch, a pan-Muslim movement, an order, a discipline, and as heretical or acceptable, as viewed by other groups. Movements such as the Moorish Science Temple and the Five Percenters have arisen from time to time, but have remained numerically minor. On balance, of course, Islam has exhibited far less division into different branches than other large religions.

World's Most Muslim Nations
The populations of the following countries are almost entirely Muslim (About 99.5% or more of the native populations, and nearly all of the foreign workers, are Muslim.) Listed alphabetically.
  • Bahrain
  • Comoros
  • Kuwait
  • Maldives
  • Mauritania
  • Mayotte
  • Morocco
  • Oman
  • Qatar
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Tunisia
  • United Arab Emirates
  • Western Sahara
  • Yemen

Top 10 Largest National Muslim Populations
Country Number
of Muslims
  • Indonesia 170,310,000
  • Pakistan 136,000,000
  • Bangladesh 106,050,000
  • India 103,000,000
  • Turkey 62,410,000
  • Iran 60,790,000
  • Egypt 53,730,000
  • Nigeria 47,720,000
  • China 37,108,000

China should clearly be included among the top 10 largest national Muslim communities, although it was not on the list in Russell Ash's book, which is the main source of information for this list. Reliable religious statistics are difficult to obtain from this Communist nation, and the actual number of Muslims in China may be greater than the figure presented above. Mojtaba Shabani wrote to Adherents.com with the following comments:

The Muslim population in China is 11% by Muslim sources. This is based on the fact the ethnic "Hui" group are predominantly Muslim, and 9% of the population belong to this group. And then there are Uigurs and other Turkic people in addition to that, mostly in northwestern China, who constitute the remaining 2%... 11% would be around 120 million.

Adherents.com has no argument with Mr. Shabani's calculations, but as we currently have no published references supporting the higher figure we are using the CIA figure in the list above, with the caveat that it is probably too low and, according to Mr. Shabani, the CIA is biased against Muslims.

U.S. States With Highest Proportion
of Muslims in the Population
State Percent
  • New York 0.80%
  • California 0.60
  • New Jersey 0.60
  • Washington, D.C. 0.60
  • Illinois 0.40
  • Massachusetts 0.40
  • Ohio 0.40
  • Rhode Island 0.40

This data set is from the 1990 National Survey of Religious Identification, conducted by the City University of New York, based on self-identification, as collected through a nationwide phone survey of 113,000 people.

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I know Islam is growing, but that is largely due to the birth rates.

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Assalaamu Alaikum

There are couple of threads on this subject.

http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-i...-religion.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...-official.html (Islam shows fastest growing religion on earth: OIC official)

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...-religion.html (Fastest Growing Religion?)

http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-i...ion-earth.html
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It is rather difficult to calculate the numbers of new Muslims in the US as to by birth or conversion. However, if you agree with the figures I quoted a few posts back the number of Muslims in the US tripled from the Years 2001 to 2006.

I would suspect that rate of growth would have to be primarily from conversion increases rather than birth rate.

to get that type of growth from births alone there would have had to been 2 babies born for each US Muslim (Male and Female) here in 2001
that seems a to be a nearly impossible rate. Most logical would be that it is about an equal number of reverts as births.
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I think we simply don't know for the US or worldwide, at least I could not find any research on the subject. However, in Holland in 2005 the National Statistics Bureau estimated that out of the 1 million Muslims there were about 5 to 10 thousand Dutch converts. Most of the converts were women who married a Muslim man.
   
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For Malaysia:

Conversions to Islam all over Malaysia:

1990 - 3,826
1991 - 3,753
1992 - 4,512
1993 - 5,130
1994 - 5,470
1995 - 5,401
1996 - 5,924
1997 - 6,628
1998 - 5,598
1999 - 4,924
2000 - 5,445
2001 - 4,900
2002 - 6,891
2003 - 6,751
2004 - 7,377

Source: Laman Informasi Islam (Islam Information Site)

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I dont care even if Islam is indeed the largest religion in the world. I care about the quality of the Ummah, not the size. That is why I consider Christians to be losers even if theyr are the largest.
   
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