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    Default Four women who forced toddlers to attack each other

    Women Escape Jail Over Toddler Fight

    Updated: 19:04, Friday April 20, 2007
    Four women who forced toddlers to attack each other with weapons and filmed the fight have been spared jail.

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    The children's mother Zara Care, along with her sisters Serenza and Danielle Olver and her mother Carole Olver, forced the kids to punch each other in the face.

    The women also goaded the two-year-old boy and three-year-old girl, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, to hit each other with a magazine and a hairbrush.

    When one did not fight, they called him a "wimp" and a "faggot".

    The fight, filmed on a home video recorder, was found by the children's father who is in the Army and had returned from a tour of duty in Iraq.

    He had been looking for some footage of his children playing to show their grandparents, but instead found the fight and reported it to social services.

    All four women, from North Prospect, Plymouth, Devon, had pleaded guilty to child cruelty and were given 12-month sentences suspended for two years.

    They also were each ordered to carry out 100 hours of community service and banned from working with children.

    Judge Francis Gilbert, sentencing at Plymouth Crown Court, said: "You were cruel, callous, clearly causing the children to hurt each other for your own pleasure."

    During the fight, both children were at different times reduced to tears and were shouted at to carry on, the court heard.

    Care, 21, pleaded guilty to causing or procuring the children to be ill-treated in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury.

    Danielle, 19, Serenza, 29, and Carole Olver, 48, pleaded guilty to jointly inciting the ill-treatment of children.

    In police interview, Carole Olver said: "I didn't see any harm in toughening them up - I done the same with my own children."

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1261618,00.html
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    Default Re: Four women who forced toddlers to attack each other

    I assume the children were taken into care (or are living with the father, who reported the video to social services) at the outset? The article doesn't mention that - I'd can't believe they would be left with the mothers.

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    Default Re: Four women who forced toddlers to attack each other

    salaam
    man that's just sick
    The article doesn't mention that - I'd can't believe they would be left with the mothers.
    ^^ hope not!!
    poor babies!!
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    Default Re: Four women who forced toddlers to attack each other

    The kids living with the parents of the father, who at the moment is servng in the military, or so BBC news stated that yesterday, or the day before..but I'm pretty sure that's what I read..
    Anyway, the thing is the people were jus given 100 hours of unpaid service, but were told that they weren't a threat to Society.. How so?




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    Poor kids!! That is just shocking!



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    that is sick....makes you wana puke



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    Quote Originally Posted by Musaafir View Post
    The kids living with the parents of the father, who at the moment is servng in the military, or so BBC news stated that yesterday, or the day before..but I'm pretty sure that's what I read..
    Anyway, the thing is the people were jus given 100 hours of unpaid service, but were told that they weren't a threat to Society.. How so?
    It says it in this article too. He had come back from Iraq to find a video of his children being forced to fight each other. There is no way the father would put his children into care as he obviously loves them enough to report his wife to the police.

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    Astaghfirullah!

    That's so sick! and horrible and mean

    Why they film it thou? das jus' lame



    How old were toddlers?



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    Quote Originally Posted by |)431)M1 View Post
    Astaghfirullah!

    That's so sick! and horrible and mean

    Why they film it thou? das jus' lame



    How old were toddlers?
    It says they were 2 and 3 years old.

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    Default Re: Four women who forced toddlers to attack each other

    It's ironic that this comes in the news just after the Taliban incident with the little kid. Reminds me of the "no true scotchman"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah View Post
    It's ironic that this comes in the news just after the Taliban incident with the little kid. Reminds me of the "no true scotchman"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotchman
    huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah View Post
    It's ironic that this comes in the news just after the Taliban incident with the little kid. Reminds me of the "no true scotchman"
    I'm not quite sure why. Nobody is denying that cruelty and other inappropriate behavior towards children happens all over the world. It should be condemned wherever it occurs.

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    why oh why is this in world affairs???
    it was decided recently to close some threads after 3 days (which upon reflection, i agreed with) on the premise that there was so much breaking news and yet we continue to see "fluff" in this section.


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    These "women" (using the term liberally) are raising a crop of multiple homicide killers for 2027

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    Astaghfirullah!

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