Originally Posted by Muezzin

I hope not. I'm holding the mop.

Seriously everyone reading and thinking of posting on this thread, be sensible and don't act like foolish Internet nutters.

good advice bro

you can put that mop away now

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

Double-standards, anyone?

I know, I noticed that too. Mention danish cartoons and the opinions on this forum in regards of freedom of speech are totally reversed.

To be honest, Im not sure if she should belong to jail, however what she says is scary (especially in the light of what happened in London while ago aswell as the botched attempt) and violent.

Is that what muslim should be writing?

There is nothing wrong with having a desire to write poems about Jihad!

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

I know, I noticed that too. Mention danish cartoons and the opinions on this forum in regards of freedom of speech are totally reversed.

To be honest, Im not sure if she should belong to jail, however what she says is scary (especially in the light of what happened in London while ago aswell as the botched attempt) and violent.

Is that what muslim should be writing?

to be honest its just an expression... an outlet if you will

when we see the violence in palestine kashmir chechnya afghanistan africa etc etc etc etc

we feel things inside... thats all it is...

Several documents were discovered on her computer, including The Mujaheddin Poisoner’s Handbook, Encyclopaedia Jihad, How To Win In Hand To Hand Combat, How To Make Bombs and Sniper Manual.

Why the news reports don't stress this finding more than a few poems, notes written on the backs of receipts and a flaming sticker on her mirror is quite beyond me.

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

to be honest its just an expression... an outlet if you will

when we see the violence in palestine kashmir chechnya afghanistan africa etc etc etc etc

we feel things inside... thats all it is...

Well, "we westeners" feel inside too, but when we go venting out racism or violence it is and rightfully so, condemned.

Why not so for her?

She watches mass killing of "kaffirs", idolises people like Bin Laden, then writes violent poems. She could be the poster girl why "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

And instead of condemning what she says...

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

Well, "we westeners" feel inside too, but when we go venting out racism or violence it is and rightfully so, condemned.

Why not so for her?

She watches mass killing of "kaffirs", idolises people like Bin Laden, then writes violent poems. She could be the poster girl why "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

And instead of condemning what she says...

she didnt vent in public


if she did then that was certainly a mistake...

to be honest islaam teaches patience...so she definitly was mistaken in many actions.

may Allah guide us

She could be the poster girlwhy "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

the west think islam is a violent religion becuase they are hungry for oil.

And instead of condemning what she says...

i've heard worse things, and people have kept silent.
peace...

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

Well, "we westeners" feel inside too, but when we go venting out racism or violence it is and rightfully so, condemned.

I'm not sure writing poems, however hateful they might be, is an arrestable or imprisonable offence in the UK. Maybe they're covered by the hate crime laws. I'll need to check.

Edit: Ah, you're looking for condemnation. Well, if she wrote hateful poems, I condemn those hateful poems, and I condemn the sort of mindset which leads to writing them.

Why not so for her?

She watches mass killing of "kaffirs", idolises people like Bin Laden, then writes violent poems. She could be the poster girl why "west" thinks islam is violent religion.

The point is the conviction was not (or should not have been, at least) based on these poems - it was based more on the bomb-making manuals in her possession (or if not, it should have been).

Am I the only one who thinks the whole poetry/weird views about Bin Laden angle is a red herring?

"Let us make Jihad/ Move to the front line/ To chop chop head of kuffar swine".


She ought to be in prison, if for no other reason than making us suffer through such an afront to the English language.

I don't really know what to do with people that hold such views but have not taken concrete steps (which can be documented) to act on them.

Imagine this scenario. These items are discoverd by the authorities. She is released for lack of evidence. Two weeks later she sprays her own body parts and those of others all over a bus. Someone would have some serious 'splainin' to do. It's the "connect the dots" problem.

Originally Posted by Cognescenti

"Let us make Jihad/ Move to the front line/ To chop chop head of kuffar swine".


She ought to be in prison, if for no other reason than making us suffer through such an afront to the English language.

I don't really know what to do with people that hold such views but have not taken concrete steps (which can be documented) to act on them.

Imagine this scenario. These items are discoverd by the authorities. She is released for lack of evidence. Two weeks later she sprays her own body parts and those of others all over a bus. Someone would have some serious 'splainin' to do. It's the "connect the dots" problem.

There is no 'connect the dots' problem. She had a 'make your own bomb' book. In light of that, the poetry and everything else is irrelevant except for the prosecution to illustrate her character.

Which is why I'm a bit puzzled that everybody seems to be focusing so much on the poems.

I didn't like those poems, and you know describing how to chop off heads and how to make the blood run is violent, whoever may write it. And idolizing Bin Laden, is not good either. You can write about Jihad in much better ways, in it's true forms. Violence isn't what Jihad is about.

But mostly those bombs - These days it's not really so innocent if someone wants to create bombs, anyone knows it, especially if she lives in the UK. I wonder what happens to her...

Thanks for this post, i was wondering what had happened to her.

Originally Posted by maryam11

a) why do i get this feeling that this is a fabrication so that the attention will be turned on muslim women "woah man, becareful, dont wear your hijaab." "uncover, we know you're hiding somethin." if thats not alrready happening.

b) (even if it were true), freedom of speech!!! yeah right! . that statement can be a little over rated..

lol..i like that line. am i gonna get locked up too? but i probably should stop asking for it though. lol

EDIT: i also think that this is just a scare tactic. make us paranois and insecure about practising our religon, as well as others about us.

Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

the sister seems pious mashaAllah, shes trying to practise her deen, the stupid west should just lay off her

i doubt its a fabrication, more like an attempt to bring attention to muslims again, sad world got nothing better to do


assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

hola...

you two cannot possibly mean these things you are saying about liking her lyrics or believing this is peity... i do not know if any of this is a crime but it is terrifying to me that there are people like this girl who hates us that much and thinks about these horrible things. the word kaffir instantly frightens me for that reason

que Dios te bendiga

Greetings,

Not for the first time, I've been surprised by how long it took for any Muslim poster here to condemn these sorts of actions. If I was a Muslim I would be horrified at the behaviour of this girl.

It's also interesting to note that we've had some quiet censorship of the thread; one post, indicating that a member here might have known the girl in question (or perhaps that we all did) has been silently removed.

What are we ashamed of, people?

Peace