Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

Not for the first time, I've been surprised by how long it took for any Muslim poster here to condemn these sorts of actions. If I was a Muslim I would be horrified at the behaviour of this girl.

The offending poems are shameful; the bomb-making stuff is horrifying.

It's also interesting to note that we've had some quiet censorship of the thread; one post, indicating that a member here might have known the girl in question (or perhaps that we all did) has been silently removed.

I removed it on that member's request.

lol i have the mario theme in my head... it is such a jovial little tune!

Greetings,

Originally Posted by Muezzin

The offending poems are shameful; the bomb-making stuff is horrifying.

Well, yes. That would make defending her on a forum like this a pretty stupid thing to do, then, wouldn't it?

I removed it on that member's request.

Fair enough. I wonder who it was?

Peace

They're too paranoid. The other day on the news: "We think there are over 3000 Muslim terrorists in the UK working secretely..."
And they know that how...? They're just getting way too paranoid all of a sudden.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you arn't being watched.

How many "Muslim terrorists in the UK working secretely" do you think there is?

Originally Posted by wilberhum

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you arn't being watched.

How many "Muslim terrorists in the UK working secretely" do you think there is?

You misunderstood me. I'm Muslim, I said I heard on the Radio that they were discussing the number of Muslim terrorists in the UK.

Originally Posted by czgibson

Greetings,

Not for the first time, I've been surprised by how long it took for any Muslim poster here to condemn these sorts of actions. If I was a Muslim I would be horrified at the behaviour of this girl.

It's also interesting to note that we've had some quiet censorship of the thread; one post, indicating that a member here might have known the girl in question (or perhaps that we all did) has been silently removed.

What are we ashamed of, people?

Peace

You say you are horrified at her behaviour. What is her behaviour? writing lyrics? Right across the UK hundreds of thousands of poems are written or have been written about the IRA- no one was arrested for them. Shouldnt u b horrified at that? Thousands of poems and articles and books glorying wars that kill and are killing hundreds of blacks and Asians are written- again no one bats an eyelid- shouldnt u b horrified at that?
The Zionists in press article after press article demand war on Iran that will kill a million more people then any terrorist attack- not a single arrest. isn't that something to b horrified about?

She had some questionable material but her poems and writing hardly pose a threat to the nation. The government is trying to create a climate of fear and the neo cons like Policy Exchange are joining in hence the Satanic Verses and the blasphemous cartoons are ok because they represent free speech but Muslim literature is not ok. Complete hypocrisy.

Something tells me that the problem went beyond simply her "lyrics". I think Muezzin mentioned that as well.

Here is a similar scenario. After the Columbine school shooting, people were obviously on edge about troubled teens who might open fire in the cafeteria. This led to many arrests of students that had "death lists" of fellow classmates or displayed suspicious behavior.

Sometimes it is much better to be safe than sorry.

Originally Posted by Keltoi

Something tells me that the problem went beyond simply her "lyrics". I think Muezzin mentioned that as well.

Here is a similar scenario. After the Columbine school shooting, people were obviously on edge about troubled teens who might open fire in the cafeteria. This led to many arrests of students that had "death lists" of fellow classmates or displayed suspicious behavior.

Sometimes it is much better to be safe than sorry.

One cannot play safe to the extent of crushing civil liberties. It is not fair that innocent peoples lives are wrecked because of the actions of a few minorities. We cannot justify what those innocents go through by claiming to be 'safe than sorry'.

One should look at the root of the problem. The government would have served better to endorse their efforts into rooting out the troubles of these teenagers to prevent the problem from being exacerbated. In the same way the problem of terrorism does not lie in Islam or any other religion. The problem of terrorism lies in foreign policy and this should be resolved rather then delving into paranoia and arresting people on mere suspicion.

So, this is illegal hate speech whilst the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons and the BNP are freedom of expression? Sounds like double standards. I am not saying that what the girl said was right, but that if they want to hold their position they should logically outlaw the far-right and also condemn the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons.

On the other hand, it is also sad that people are defending this girl whilst at the same time critizing people who want to kick out Muslims and immigrants. Double standards work both ways people.

Originally Posted by Fishman

So, this is illegal hate speech whilst the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons and the BNP are freedom of expression? Sounds like double standards. I am not saying that what the girl said was right, but that if they want to hold their position they should logically outlaw the far-right and also condemn the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons.

Dubble Standards? Na, they have little in common.

If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.

Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.

Originally Posted by wilberhum

Dubble Standards? Na, they have little in common.

If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.

Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.

Michael Savage said that people should kill 100 million Muslims, but I don't see him in jail. Far right leaders always talk about peresecuting Muslims in their manifestoes, but they aren't behind bars. And I remember a while back some people on YouTube made a speech about murdering Muslims, but I bet they are not in prison under terror laws...

Originally Posted by wilberhum

Dubble Standards? Na, they have little in common.

If what she did was make fun of people she had no respect for, it would be dubble standards.

Saying you want to chop my head off is different than saying my mom is fat.

hola wilberhum,

i think maybe you are not taking into consideration the cultural differences... while in our culture insults against a persons' religious deities or parents can be shrugged off as an attempt to provoke us, while a death threat is a crime and something to be taken seriously, for their culture they would much sooner have their persons' threatened than for somebody to commit (in their traditions) the crime of blasphemy.

this might sound fascist but i do not think there should be a freedom of speech.... people speak carelessly and insultingly toward each other and it only promotes hostility, some things should not be said. but i do not like politics very much, the rules of politeness make far more sense to me than the rules of politics...

que Dios te bendiga

Originally Posted by Fishman

Michael Savage said that people should kill 100 million Muslims, but I don't see him in jail. Far right leaders always talk about peresecuting Muslims in their manifestoes, but they aren't behind bars. And I remember a while back some people on YouTube made a speech about murdering Muslims, but I bet they are not in prison under terror laws...

Are you implying that Western justice is not perfect?

Of coures it is. Ya, Right! (Just playing with you)

There never has and there never will be perfect justice under any system.

Does that mean we should stop all inforcement?

I think not.