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    Default How late can I pray Isha

    Salaam, I was wondering what is the latest time that I am able to offer my Isha prayer. I'm confused because there's 2 opinions, some people say you can read Isha till half the night and others say you can read Isha till the time of Fajar arrives.

    Could someone please tell me which is the stronger and more authentic opinion out of the two. Thank you

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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha



    Here is the debate which is a good factor to determine your question so please insha'Allah visit it to answer it yourself:http://www.norwichmuslims.org/node/647


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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    It's been suggested that the Isha prayer should be prayed as soon as possible and after that you need to take your dinner and go to sleep so you can again wake up early and offer (Tahajjud prayer,if you do) your Fajr prayer.But as for the time I don't think it should be offered after 12PM night because it's already late then.So my advice would be to get it done as soon the Waqt starts.
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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers,


    I have one question when , we pray we recite quran loudly or not ?

    I have find a verse in the Quran, tell me what do you think ???


    In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    [17:110] Say, "Call Him GOD, or call Him the Most Gracious; whichever name you use, to Him belongs the best names." You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone.


    Is it clear for you ? do you understand what I read ??


    What that mean we are wrong for 14 centuries ????


    Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.

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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    Quote Originally Posted by squiggle View Post
    Salaam, I was wondering what is the latest time that I am able to offer my Isha prayer. I'm confused because there's 2 opinions, some people say you can read Isha till half the night and others say you can read Isha till the time of Fajar arrives.

    Could someone please tell me which is the stronger and more authentic opinion out of the two. Thank you

    Assalam aleykoum brother,

    I have found a reply for you in the Quran :


    [2:238] You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, and devote yourselves totally to GOD.

    [2:239] Under unusual circumstances, you may pray while walking or riding. Once you are safe, you shall commemorate GOD as He taught you what you never knew.


    Only allah SWT knows better, Allah SWT forgive us and guide us to the truth, Amine.

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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    ^^That doesn't answer his question brother. He is asking how late he can pray isha before its actual time passes.


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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha



    Timing of ‘Isha prayer


    Q.This question is in reference to the timings of Isha Salat. There are various opinions regarding, when the time for offering Isha prayer expires. Some say that one can pray Isha till the Fajr Azaan is called, while others say that it expires at the time of "Tahajjud prayers". And finally some believe, that we are supposed to take the number of hours between Isha Azaan and the Fajr Azaan, and divide them into half, in order to estimate the last time for Isha prayer.
    I know that prayers should be offered promptly and on time. Delaying a prayer without reason is not encouraged, but still it would be very beneficial to know the exact opinion on this issue.

    A.Praise be to Allaah.

    ‘Isha prayer must be performed before midnight, and it is not permissible to delay it until midnight, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The time of ‘Isha’ is until midnight” (narrated by Muslim, al-Masaajid wa Mawaadi’ al-Salaah, 964). So you have to pray it before midnight, based on the length of the night, because the night may be longer or shorter, so the guideline is how many hours the night lasts. If the night is ten hours long, then it is not permissible to delay it until the end of the fifth hour. The best way it to pray it in the first third of the night. If a person prays it at the beginning of the time for ‘Isha, that is OK, but if he delays it a little while, that is preferable, because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to recommend delaying ‘Isha’ prayer for a little while. But if someone prays it at the beginning of its time, after the twilight – the reddish afterglow along the horizon – has vanished, there is nothing wrong with that. And Allaah knows best.

    Majmoo’ah Fataawa al-Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, 10/386
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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    Quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009 View Post
    I have one question when , we pray we recite quran loudly or not ?

    I have find a verse in the Quran, tell me what do you think ???


    In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    [17:110] Say, "Call Him GOD, or call Him the Most Gracious; whichever name you use, to Him belongs the best names." You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone.


    Is it clear for you ? do you understand what I read ??


    What that mean we are wrong for 14 centuries ????
    The translation you are using of the Qur'an seems to be a bit dubious. Please use any of the standard translations of the Holy Qur'an.

    Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali has translated the verse you quoted as:
    Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between." [17:110]

    To understand this verse, we will have to analyse it in the context, and the situation when it was revealed.
    The famous mufassir, 'Allamah ibn Kathir says:
    The Command to recite neither loudly nor softly

    [وَلاَ تَجْهَرْ بِصَلاتِكَ]
    (And offer your Salah neither aloud)
    Imam Ahmad reported that Ibn `Abbas said: "This Ayah was revealed when the Messenger of Allah was preaching underground in Makkah.''

    [وَلاَ تَجْهَرْ بِصَلاتِكَ وَلاَ تُخَافِتْ بِهَا]
    (And offer your Salah neither aloud nor in a low voice,)
    Ibn `Abbas said: "When he prayed with his Companions, he would recite Qur'an loudly, and when the idolators heard that, they insulted the Qur'an, and the One Who had revealed it and the one who had brought it. So Allah said to His Prophet:

    [وَلاَ تَجْهَرْ بِصَلاتِكَ]
    (And offer your Salah (prayer) neither aloud) means, do not recite it aloud, lest the idolators hear you and insult the Qur'an,

    [وَلاَ تُخَافِتْ بِهَا]
    (nor in a low voice,) means, nor recite it so quietly that your companions cannot hear the Qur'an and learn it from you.

    [وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَلِكَ سَبِيلاً]
    (but follow a way between. )'' This was also reported in the Two Sahihs.
    Ad-Dahhak also narrated something similar from Ibn `Abbas, and added: "When he migrated to Al-Madinah, this no longer applied, and he recited as he wished.''
    Muhammad bin Ishaq said that Ibn `Abbas said, "When the Messenger of Allah recited Qur'an quietly while he was praying, the (idolators) would disperse and refuse to listen to him; if one of them wanted to hear some of what he was reciting in his prayer, he would try to listen without anyone seeing him, because he was afraid of them. If he realized that anybody knew he was listening, he would go away lest they harm him, so he would stop listening. If the Prophet lowered his voice, those who wanted to listen to his recitation could not hear anything, so Allah revealed,

    [وَلاَ تَجْهَرْ بِصَلاتِكَ]
    (And offer your Salah neither aloud) meaning, do not recite aloud, lest those who want to listen disperse for fear of attracting unwelcome attention,

    [وَلاَ تُخَافِتْ بِهَا]
    (nor in a low voice,) but do not make your voice so soft that the one who is trying to listen without being seen cannot hear anything at all. Perhaps he will pay attention to some of what he hears and benefit from it.

    [وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَلِكَ سَبِيلاً]
    (but follow a way between. )'' This was the view of `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan Al-Basri and Qatadah that this Ayah was revealed concerning recitation in prayer.
    It was narrated from Ibn Mas`ud: "Do not make it so soft that no one can hear it except yourself.''
    It is clearly explained from the above that the verse was revealed when the Prophet was still in Makkah, and it no longer applied when he migrated to Madinah. The ruling was changed after the migration.
    What that mean we are wrong for 14 centuries ????
    No, we follow the Quran and the Sunnah. We do not follow only the Quran.
    The Sahabah understood the Quran better than you and me.
    The sunnah of our Prophet is to recite loudly in Fajr, Maghrib and 'Isha. Therefore, we are obliged to follow the same.
    Last edited by ibṉĀdam; 07-26-2009 at 07:32 PM.







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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    I think u mean Fajr sis?



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    Quote Originally Posted by AabiruSabeel View Post
    The translation you are using of the Qur'an seems to be a bit dubious. Please use any of the standard translations of the Holy Qur'an.

    Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali has translated the verse you quoted as:
    Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between." [17:110]

    To understand this verse, we will have to analyse it in the context, and the situation when it was revealed.
    The famous mufassir, 'Allamah ibn Kathir says:

    It is clearly explained from the above that the verse was revealed when the Prophet was still in Makkah, and it no longer applied when he migrated to Madinah. The ruling was changed after the migration.

    No, we follow the Quran and the Sunnah. We do not follow only the Quran.
    The Sahabah understood the Quran better than you and me.
    The sunnah of our Prophet is to recite loudly in Fajr, Maghrib and 'Isha. Therefore, we are obliged to follow the same.

    Assalam aleykoum my brother,


    Thank you for your reply, I appreciate may Allah SWT reward you, Amine.

    Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between." [17:110]


    I do not know I am wondering normalt a verse came to the prophete Mohamed SWS in one time, I men a complet and understanding sentence no ??

    We have thre manner :

    1) Aloud

    2) Low tone

    3) Middle tone


    Which one we have to follow, because Allah SWT in the Quran says middle tone a the end ????

    Who decided we have to recite loud or not or middle tone ??

    Me I will do as you said before, but I wanted to know, I am always looking for the truth I am not following without questioning but without going astray.

    Thank you my brother, Ask god to forgive us and guide us , Amine.

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    ^I have already posted above, this verse was revealed in Makkah. The idolators used to insult the Quran and the Prophet when they heard it. So Allah SubHanahu waTa'ala commanded him to recite softly.
    When the Prophet migrated to Madinah, the rule no longer applied, and the Prophet used to recite loudly in Fajr, Maghrib and 'Isha prayers.

    Now are we going to go against what the Prophet did? We will only be successful if we follow the Sunnah of our Prophet If we start interpreting the Quran with our limited knowledge, without studying how the Sahanah understood the Quran, then we will surely go astray.

    Who decided we have to recite loud or not or middle tone ??
    We have to see the action of the Prophet and the Sahabah. They have recited loudly in Fajr, Maghrib and 'Isha prayers, and softly in Zuhr and 'Asr. Thats enough for us to follow.

    Ps. Mods of this section are requested to move these posts to the appropriate thread.
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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    before it become 12 ...cuz after that it ganna be kadha...so you most pray it before that.

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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    i fink its til dawn but i am not completly sure

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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    Did anyone explain that midnight does NOT mean 12 PM in the sharee3ah?

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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    ^^Hmm yea that's a good point.


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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    ive always prayed it before 12





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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    Quote Originally Posted by cat eyes View Post
    ive always prayed it before 12
    Right but depending on where you are, then "midnight" can be before that; it can be at 11pm or earlier depending on when maghrib and fajr comes in.

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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    I heard someone say the day begins or ends at maghrib? I forgot. Is that true? Doesn't make sense since fajr comes first....


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    Default Re: How late can I pray Isha

    Quote Originally Posted by AhmadibnPhilip View Post
    Did anyone explain that midnight does NOT mean 12 PM in the sharee3ah?
    Can someone explain this?

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