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    Muslim Identity & the fall of the New World Order.

    Who are the Muslims?

    It is this fundamental question which cuts to the very heart of a global Muslim awakening. It is this question which explains why Western powers are currently murdering their way across the Muslim world. In our history lies the answers, not only to who we are, but also the reason behind the need to eradicate our history and supplant it with one made in the dark corridors of European powers.

    In 1915 a small cabal of Western notables such as Churchill, Kitchener and the then Prime Minister Lloyd George met. Driven by their Christian beliefs, financial gain & a hatred of Islam, they plotted the re-structuring of the Muslim world and most importantly the restructuring of Muslim identity.


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    They realised that by breaking African slaves’ link to their pasts and distorting their self image, they were able to create a pacified, compliant people. Black leaders such as Fredrick Douglass and Malcolm X illustrated how vital this deliberate distortion was in the continued subjugation of their people. In their autobiographies they highlighted the destructive effect this had on the minds of black people to the extent it made them hate the very skin they were born in — and taught them to hate each other.

    By the First World War, Western leaders had perfected their psychological cudgel and they used it to full effect, whilst carving up the Ottoman Empire. Naomi Klein, in her excellent book The Shock Doctrine, explains when Western Governments wanted to change the way people thought, it was best to do so after a significant trauma. For in that moment, people would lose their sense of orientation in the world; how they understood themselves and in this confused state — a new narrative could be implanted.

    An example of this Shock Doctrine is evident in our own lifetimes. 911 was a recent example, coupled with 7/7 and the other red flags events manufactured by the imperial west.



    As the colonisers brutalized those they now occupied, the shocked populace were given a new narrative, deliberately intended to break their spirit. The social engineering was interwoven into the very apparatus of the newly created ‘Muslim States. Prior to the restructuring, the Muslim world saw themselves as Muslim. In the new world the Muslims saw themselves in a myriad of ways — as Arabs, Kurds, Turks etc, who were further fragmented into the newly manufactured identities of Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese or Jordanians etc.

    Much like many Hindus or Buddhists see themselves today. Islam itself would not be eradicated — simply changed — by muting its political voice. Those who accepted their new identities would still be allowed to follow the rituals of Islam as long as they did not speak of the ethical demands of their Prophet’s message. This original understanding of Islam — to uphold justice on Earth — was the priority, with the ritual simply upholding this mission. Now this has been reversed.

    The colonizers promoted a passive, apolitical version of the original revolutionary message of Muhammad (pbuh) the same way Christianity’s ethical message was undermined by the political powers at the time, by inserting the Biblical words “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and give unto God what is God’s.” In short pray to God — but leave the world to us.


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    The MAP drawn up by the Sykes-Picot Agreement that would manufacture new nations for the Muslims.

    Equally, if the colonial masters could convince Muslims that they were spiritually Muslims but politically Palestinians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis — and so on — then their national vision would always be limited to the needs of that individual nation. There could be no global Muslim cause. No united Muslim freedom struggle, only a localised nationalistic one. A people could never rise in unity, if they no longer saw themselves as a single unified oppressed people. This is the genius of changing the identity of those you rule.

    While this benefited Western powers, it has destroyed the Muslim world. As a result, violence, chaos and senseless death has become the order of the day in the Muslim world. The Prophet (pbuh) long ago predicted the continuing chaos near the end of time saying, “I see pain falling on your houses like rain.” His prediction has proven correct.

    Over the following century the Muslim world would go through continuous trauma. Extreme ideologies would take root due to internal and external players. The West continued its plan of backing secularist dictators and at the same time supporting the puppet Kingdoms of Uber conservative clergy. Both would ruthlessly do whatever it took to keep power. The desperate oppression the populations now lived under was the incubator for a violent and extreme reaction.

    A relatively safe and stable Muslim world had previously produced liberal-minded philosophers; poets and men of science; created marvels like the Taj-Mahal; and brought enlightenment to Europe through Muslim Spain. Now that same Muslim world produced broken, angry men, who had lost all hope in a world of poverty, repression and endless brutal wars. Men who had no direction. A lost people.

    For this reason the Muslim world has become an increasingly intolerant place. Religious groups too became increasingly intolerant, especially of other religious groups. Without an Islam that gave them an ethical purpose for the world, their minor ritual and theological differences became bitter differences. They looked for internal enemies in theology to fight and ignored the giant global war the external enemies were waging.

    Despite this a new phenomenon was occurring, one that was a real threat to the neo-colonial order. Pragmatic Muslim political thinkers started to emerge. And it was these thinkers who started to decode their place in the world. They started to rediscover their history and, through it, the slow process of unraveling what their colonial masters and nationalist dictators had long sought to erase from their consciousness — a free, pre-colonial identity.

    These Muslims now started to see themselves as believers in ONE struggle to free their people — and this idea started to spread. A Muslim identity started to re-emerge out of the ashes.

    To Global Powers this meant a challenge to the order they had imposed upon the Muslims. To protect that order and destroy the Muslim awakening at its embryonic stage, the Western powers went to war: thus the subsequent invasions, dictators, droning of villages across the Muslim world; the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Muslims from their homes in the dark of night, to be transported across the world to even darker prisons to be tortured to death were all done to stop a new identity becoming a political force.

    It is the re-emergence of the Muslim identity; the reawakening of the central premise of Islam; that is re-shaping the whole Muslim world—and in the process — bringing down a world order.

    I leave you with the words of Malcolm X



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    format_quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    Teach unbiased and honest history.

    I cam across this lecture and Q&A on youtube a few weeks ago, and found it quite insightful. The lecture explored first some aspects of the history of comparison and its impact on concepts in modern historiography. Secondly, there was an overview on approaches that address the history of connections and why they came to the fore over the past two decades. There are of course various variants of analyzing connections from entangled history and histoire croisée to the study of cultural transfers, métissage and acculturation. They are presented in their capacity to shed light on different aspects of global and/or transnational connectivity. As a sort of conclusion the lecture discussed if comparison and the investigation of connections could go together or are rather exclusive as methods in today's historiography.






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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt View Post
    they didn't teach history of the 1916 easter rising though,that would have been a ''bad'' thing in their eye's,i learned about that when I left school,although in Ireland it would have been a different story.
    We were taught this in secondary school...South Wales. Are you from Glasgow, by any chance? Catholic/Protestant relations there were grim for decades. That might account for absence of Irish history in your schools. Just a thought.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    We were taught this in secondary school...South Wales. Are you from Glasgow, by any chance? Catholic/Protestant relations there were grim for decades. That might account for absence of Irish history in your schools. Just a thought.
    Not far from Glasgow,Im from Ayrshire on the west coast about 25miles away,yes sectarianism is bad up here most Catholics/Protestants just want to live peacefully,its such cults/ideoligies like the Orange order & Loyalism which are the problem,they are very much pro-right,anti-Catholic & nowadays seem very anti-Muslim
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    Welcome to the forum, Grandad and Scottish Celt. I wish I had more time to post here today, but I will just say I am enjoying reading your posts here thank you for contributing.

    God bless.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post

    I cam across this lecture and Q&A on youtube a few weeks ago, and found it quite insightful. The lecture explored first some aspects of the history of comparison and its impact on concepts in modern historiography. Secondly, there was an overview on approaches that address the history of connections and why they came to the fore over the past two decades. There are of course various variants of analyzing connections from entangled history and histoire croisée to the study of cultural transfers, métissage and acculturation. They are presented in their capacity to shed light on different aspects of global and/or transnational connectivity. As a sort of conclusion the lecture discussed if comparison and the investigation of connections could go together or are rather exclusive as methods in today's historiography.






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    A quick skim through this video convinces me that I'm going to have to shake off the cobwebs that have collected around that part of my brain marked 'History Department - Methodology and Stuff'. In sha Allah I will return to this matter once I've done a wee bit of dusting...and can use a bigger screen than this wee phone of mine....the better to see the lecturer's slides! Thank you very much for this opportunity to learn/relearn stuff.

    Very best regards...and have a great day.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Welcome to the forum, Grandad and Scottish Celt. I wish I had more time to post here today, but I will just say I am enjoying reading your posts here thank you for contributing.

    God bless.

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    Thank you Scimitar

    format_quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    A quick skim through this video convinces me that I'm going to have to shake off the cobwebs that have collected around that part of my brain marked 'History Department - Methodology and Stuff'. In sha Allah I will return to this matter once I've done a wee bit of dusting...and can use a bigger screen than this wee phone of mine....the better to see the lecturer's slides! Thank you very much for this opportunity to learn/relearn stuff.

    Very best regards...and have a great day.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt View Post
    Not far from Glasgow,Im from Ayrshire on the west coast about 25miles away,yes sectarianism is bad up here most Catholics/Protestants just want to live peacefully,its such cults/ideoligies like the Orange order & Loyalism which are the problem,they are very much pro-right,anti-Catholic & nowadays seem very anti-Muslim
    Indeed. I was a Catholic for just over sixty years, and used to debate with Protestants...most of whom were decent. The most vitriolic by a country mile were the few who came from Glascow...exposed all their lives to violent bigotry and hatred...and giving as much back. You will recall the Celtic/Rangers FC nonsense, now easing off, it seems....well, somewhat! Very tribal...If you're not one of us you're nothing at all mentality.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt View Post
    Thank you Scimitar

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    Welcome to the forum, Grandad and Scottish Celt. I wish I had more time to post here today, but I will just say I am enjoying reading your posts here thank you for contributing.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    A quick skim through this video convinces me that I'm going to have to shake off the cobwebs that have collected around that part of my brain marked 'History Department - Methodology and Stuff'. In sha Allah I will return to this matter once I've done a wee bit of dusting...and can use a bigger screen than this wee phone of mine....the better to see the lecturer's slides! Thank you very much for this opportunity to learn/relearn stuff.

    Very best regards...and have a great day.
    Thank you Grandad

    I watched it and felt slightly incompetent i some ways afterwards. But it was good to know where I was neglecting the method. Which for me, was in the connections from entangled history which the speaker mentions. At some points in investigating comparatives, I did give up because the contradictory opinions were too confuddled to know who was saying what. And it gets worse when commentators tell you "I believe..." because that's still an opinion

    Having said that, learning is so awesome And I'm very impressed that at 71, you still consider yourself a student. You are humble, Sir. And I would honour you as "teacher".

    I was reading Cormac O'Brien's book - The Fall of Empires From Glory to Ruin, An Epic Account of History's Ancient Civilisations and found this to be a great introduction to degeneration within all empires.

    One common theme I noticed was as follows. When empires compromise their moral values and lewdity becomes a norm - it bodes an ill omen, namely that said nation has already peaked and can go no higher, and so, the only direction left is down. I'm looking around, at our decadent society in the west, and see that we have passed that tipping point already.

    Wow, right?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    Indeed. I was a Catholic for just over sixty years, and used to debate with Protestants...most of whom were decent. The most vitriolic by a country mile were the few who came from Glascow...exposed all their lives to violent bigotry and hatred...and giving as much back. You will recall the Celtic/Rangers FC nonsense, now easing off, it seems....well, somewhat! Very tribal...If you're not one of us you're nothing at all mentality.
    Now now i wont hear a bad word against Celtic,..ive been to plenty of Celtic v Rangers matches,tbf though Celtic don't mix religion with football but they do with politics,Rangers on the other hand are very much Protestant/Unionist & anti-Catholic theyre fans seem to come from far right groups like the SDL.(maybe I'm a little biased)...Anyway, I hope to be joining you very soon in converting
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    Mashallah this is great to see that the importance Islamic history is highlighted here! As we truly need to learn from our past pitfalls to revive as an Ummah!

    May Allah reward you! Ameen
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Thank you Grandad

    I watched it and felt slightly incompetent i some ways afterwards. But it was good to know where I was neglecting the method. Which for me, was in the connections from entangled history which the speaker mentions. At some points in investigating comparatives, I did give up because the contradictory opinions were too confuddled to know who was saying what. And it gets worse when commentators tell you "I believe..." because that's still an opinion

    Having said that, learning is so awesome And I'm very impressed that at 71, you still consider yourself a student. You are humble, Sir. And I would honour you as "teacher".

    I was reading Cormac O'Brien's book - The Fall of Empires From Glory to Ruin, An Epic Account of History's Ancient Civilisations and found this to be a great introduction to degeneration within all empires.

    One common theme I noticed was as follows. When empires compromise their moral values and lewdity becomes a norm - it bodes an ill omen, namely that said nation has already peaked and can go no higher, and so, the only direction left is down. I'm looking around, at our decadent society in the west, and see that we have passed that tipping point already.

    Wow, right?

    Scimi
    As-Salāmu ‘alaykum wa Rahmatullāhi wa Barakātuhu, Scimi

    Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I still consider myself to be a student. That’s not humility, by the way; that’s self-awareness! As for being a ‘teacher’……He who would teach, first let him learn. In šāʾ Allāh we can teach each other….at the end of it all we might not be any wiser, but we ought to be better informed.

    Any society that turns away from the values ordained by Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) will fall in the end (and the same, of course, is true of individuals). For sure, there are decadent behaviours in the West (as there are everywhere); but I see no reason to believe that the majority are decadent (anywhere). Perhaps the fact that decadent behaviour is deemed newsworthy, while decent behaviour barely gets a mention is a sign that decency is commonplace. Or perhaps I’m being naïve.

    May Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) reward you for the good that you do.

    Very best regards.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt View Post
    Now now i wont hear a bad word against Celtic,..ive been to plenty of Celtic v Rangers matches,tbf though Celtic don't mix religion with football but they do with politics,Rangers on the other hand are very much Protestant/Unionist & anti-Catholic theyre fans seem to come from far right groups like the SDL.(maybe I'm a little biased)...Anyway, I hope to be joining you very soon in converting
    Shhhhh, but I rather admire Celtic (apart from the fact they don't used the hard 'C'!). My preferred football team, and have been for years.

    Great news to see that you may soon become a Muslim, in šāʾ Allāh. May Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) continue to guide you.

    Very best regards.

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    PS: I assume you meant converting to Islam, rather than to Rangers
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    As-Salāmu ‘alaykum wa Rahmatullāhi wa Barakātuhu, Scimi
    Wa'alaykum as Salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuhu, Grandad

    What you wrote here was profane to me.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    ...but I see no reason to believe that the majority are decadent (anywhere). Perhaps the fact that decadent behaviour is deemed newsworthy, while decent behaviour barely gets a mention is a sign that decency is commonplace. Or perhaps I’m being naïve.
    Maybe not. I think what you just presented has some merit. According to some scholars, as long as a nation remains charitable to the weak in society, God will not destroy that nation. God knows best if this is true or not, but I think this relates to your observation, as subtle as it may be. Most certainly food for thought.

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    May Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) reward you for the good that you do.

    Very best regards.

    Paul
    And may HE, give you the best of both, this and the next (worlds), Ameen.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Wa'alaykum as Salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuhu, Grandad

    What you wrote here was profane to me.
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    Profane? In what why, brother? I'm sorry if I have caused you any offence.
    I meant in a good way, no profanity as such, sorry.

    What you wrote was insightful.
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    Re: Why the West is terrified of Muslims learning HISTORY

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    Profane? In what why, brother? I'm sorry if I have caused you any offence.
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    Re: Why the West is terrified of Muslims learning HISTORY

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    I meant in a good way, no profanity as such, sorry.

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