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    Muslim Identity & the fall of the New World Order.

    Who are the Muslims?

    It is this fundamental question which cuts to the very heart of a global Muslim awakening. It is this question which explains why Western powers are currently murdering their way across the Muslim world. In our history lies the answers, not only to who we are, but also the reason behind the need to eradicate our history and supplant it with one made in the dark corridors of European powers.

    In 1915 a small cabal of Western notables such as Churchill, Kitchener and the then Prime Minister Lloyd George met. Driven by their Christian beliefs, financial gain & a hatred of Islam, they plotted the re-structuring of the Muslim world and most importantly the restructuring of Muslim identity.




    They realised that by breaking African slaves’ link to their pasts and distorting their self image, they were able to create a pacified, compliant people. Black leaders such as Fredrick Douglass and Malcolm X illustrated how vital this deliberate distortion was in the continued subjugation of their people. In their autobiographies they highlighted the destructive effect this had on the minds of black people to the extent it made them hate the very skin they were born in — and taught them to hate each other.

    By the First World War, Western leaders had perfected their psychological cudgel and they used it to full effect, whilst carving up the Ottoman Empire. Naomi Klein, in her excellent book The Shock Doctrine, explains when Western Governments wanted to change the way people thought, it was best to do so after a significant trauma. For in that moment, people would lose their sense of orientation in the world; how they understood themselves and in this confused state — a new narrative could be implanted.

    An example of this Shock Doctrine is evident in our own lifetimes. 911 was a recent example, coupled with 7/7 and the other red flags events manufactured by the imperial west.



    As the colonisers brutalized those they now occupied, the shocked populace were given a new narrative, deliberately intended to break their spirit. The social engineering was interwoven into the very apparatus of the newly created ‘Muslim States. Prior to the restructuring, the Muslim world saw themselves as Muslim. In the new world the Muslims saw themselves in a myriad of ways — as Arabs, Kurds, Turks etc, who were further fragmented into the newly manufactured identities of Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese or Jordanians etc.

    Much like many Hindus or Buddhists see themselves today. Islam itself would not be eradicated — simply changed — by muting its political voice. Those who accepted their new identities would still be allowed to follow the rituals of Islam as long as they did not speak of the ethical demands of their Prophet’s message. This original understanding of Islam — to uphold justice on Earth — was the priority, with the ritual simply upholding this mission. Now this has been reversed.

    The colonizers promoted a passive, apolitical version of the original revolutionary message of Muhammad (pbuh) the same way Christianity’s ethical message was undermined by the political powers at the time, by inserting the Biblical words “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and give unto God what is God’s.” In short pray to God — but leave the world to us.


    The MAP drawn up by the Sykes-Picot Agreement that would manufacture new nations for the Muslims.

    Equally, if the colonial masters could convince Muslims that they were spiritually Muslims but politically Palestinians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis — and so on — then their national vision would always be limited to the needs of that individual nation. There could be no global Muslim cause. No united Muslim freedom struggle, only a localised nationalistic one. A people could never rise in unity, if they no longer saw themselves as a single unified oppressed people. This is the genius of changing the identity of those you rule.

    While this benefited Western powers, it has destroyed the Muslim world. As a result, violence, chaos and senseless death has become the order of the day in the Muslim world. The Prophet (pbuh) long ago predicted the continuing chaos near the end of time saying, “I see pain falling on your houses like rain.” His prediction has proven correct.

    Over the following century the Muslim world would go through continuous trauma. Extreme ideologies would take root due to internal and external players. The West continued its plan of backing secularist dictators and at the same time supporting the puppet Kingdoms of Uber conservative clergy. Both would ruthlessly do whatever it took to keep power. The desperate oppression the populations now lived under was the incubator for a violent and extreme reaction.

    A relatively safe and stable Muslim world had previously produced liberal-minded philosophers; poets and men of science; created marvels like the Taj-Mahal; and brought enlightenment to Europe through Muslim Spain. Now that same Muslim world produced broken, angry men, who had lost all hope in a world of poverty, repression and endless brutal wars. Men who had no direction. A lost people.

    For this reason the Muslim world has become an increasingly intolerant place. Religious groups too became increasingly intolerant, especially of other religious groups. Without an Islam that gave them an ethical purpose for the world, their minor ritual and theological differences became bitter differences. They looked for internal enemies in theology to fight and ignored the giant global war the external enemies were waging.

    Despite this a new phenomenon was occurring, one that was a real threat to the neo-colonial order. Pragmatic Muslim political thinkers started to emerge. And it was these thinkers who started to decode their place in the world. They started to rediscover their history and, through it, the slow process of unraveling what their colonial masters and nationalist dictators had long sought to erase from their consciousness — a free, pre-colonial identity.

    These Muslims now started to see themselves as believers in ONE struggle to free their people — and this idea started to spread. A Muslim identity started to re-emerge out of the ashes.

    To Global Powers this meant a challenge to the order they had imposed upon the Muslims. To protect that order and destroy the Muslim awakening at its embryonic stage, the Western powers went to war: thus the subsequent invasions, dictators, droning of villages across the Muslim world; the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Muslims from their homes in the dark of night, to be transported across the world to even darker prisons to be tortured to death were all done to stop a new identity becoming a political force.

    It is the re-emergence of the Muslim identity; the reawakening of the central premise of Islam; that is re-shaping the whole Muslim world—and in the process — bringing down a world order.

    I leave you with the words of Malcolm X



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryeh Jay View Post
    Speaking of history and education, tell us, do you remember the Romans being in Londinium?
    Brother @Grandad might be even remembering the Celts migrating to the island coming from Anatolia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryeh Jay View Post
    Speaking of history and education, tell us, do you remember the Romans being in Londinium?
    Do I remember?.............I was there!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Brother @Grandad might be even remembering the Celts migrating to the island coming from Anatolia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia
    I was a wee bit on the young side then; but the wiki site is probably accurate for the Celts as a race (although some would dispute that there ever was such a people!).

    It's reckoned that my tribe (Silures) came from Iberia. DNA studies suggest that the Welsh have been here for about 10,000 years (give or take a week or two). Certainly the language is the oldest in Europe (with the possible exception of the Basque language). We were here long before the Scots........that's for sure (take note, Scottish Celt!)

    PS: And don't be impertinent!
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    Re: Why the West is terrified of Muslims learning HISTORY

    Greetings an peace be with you czgibson;
    Yes, and I think you could do with continuing to read as much history in general as you can. History is a collection of often contradictory voices, not a single entity.
    History is 'crap'.

    If history was any good at all, we would learn from it and live in peace with each other, and there would not be a billion people living close to starvation in this world.

    Man is incredibly clever at many things, medicine, transport, buildings etc, so why can't we use our intelligence for the more human things like relationships, and building caring communities?

    In the spirit of searching for God,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    I was a wee bit on the young side then; but the wiki site is probably accurate for the Celts as a race (although some would dispute that there ever was such a people!).

    It's reckoned that my tribe (Silures) came from Iberia. DNA studies suggest that the Welsh have been here for about 10,000 years (give or take a week or two). Certainly the language is the oldest in Europe (with the possible exception of the Basque language). We were here long before the Scots........that's for sure (take note, Scottish Celt!)

    PS: And don't be impertinent!
    Ok my apologies..

    Celts were one of the most amazing people of the ancient times. They migrated long distances and put a trace of their inheritence everywhere they went all over Eurasia..Galatia in Anatolia is interesting
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    Greetings an peace be with you czgibson;


    History is 'crap'.

    If history was any good at all, we would learn from it and live in peace with each other, and there would not be a billion people living close to starvation in this world.

    Man is incredibly clever at many things, medicine, transport, buildings etc, so why can't we use our intelligence for the more human things like relationships, and building caring communities?

    In the spirit of searching for God,

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    Greetings and peace be with you Eric H.

    I am really sorry if I disagree with you. For me history is not 'crap'.

    Since I was a little kid I already interested to history. I remember when I was eight. While other boys read comics I prefer to learn about history of Roman. I still love to learn history until now. That's why if you visit my home you would find many books about history. Some of those books were bought by my father for me. Some other were bought by me for my children.

    There are many good things that we will get from learning history. Through learn history we can understand human better. Through learn history we can learn the mistakes that our predecessors were ever made. And we will realize that we should not repeat the same mistakes.

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    Greetings and peace be with you Eric H.

    I am really sorry if I disagree with you. For me history is not 'crap'.
    Assalaam alaikum Ardianto,

    I think what Eric was saying is that history as we are taught in schools is crap.

    I can't disagree.

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    One thing that I found from learning history is, ..... maybe the history of Muslims is the most biased history. Seem like many parties, including Muslims themselves, tried to 'twist' history of Muslims to support their own agendas.
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    Re: Why the West is terrified of Muslims learning HISTORY

    Greetings and peace be with you ardianto;
    I am really sorry if I disagree with you. For me history is not 'crap'.
    I look at it this way, take the history of transport as an example, the horse and cart, then cars, buses lorries planes and space travel. You can see a gradual and rapid improvement over time.

    Now take the history of man, how do we improve? We have the same wars as thousands of years ago, we have progressed from swords, to guns to bombs. Why haven't we learned to how to make peace first?

    Farming methods have improved over the last millennium, there is enough food to feed the world. Why do we allow twenty thousand children to die needlessly from grinding poverty, preventable disease and starvation every single day?

    History shows all the mistakes our ancestors made, we say we are growing up in a civilised society, and yet we repeat our ancestors folly. If our past history was a guide like building and improving transport, then we should have learned how to live in peace with each other, despite all our differences.

    History might be interesting, but for it to benefit mankind, we must change for the better.

    In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God,

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    Greetings and peace be with you all,

    Civil wars can last for decades and centuries, because it is neighbour against neighbour. I think if we could learn anything positive from history, it would be for the need to forgive. When we forgive, then we can pass on some hope to our children and grandchildren, that they should not have to live with the hostility and anger of their parents generation.

    Here is a story of forgiveness, a girl was stoned to death, and her parents forgave two of the guilty lads, and over the years, they even helped the lads to get jobs. This was in the time of apartheid in South Africa. This video is 18 minutes, but I believe it carries a powerful message.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F0t8UajJp8&t=100s

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    Greetings and peace be with you Eric H.

    History is full of war, oppression, injustice. That's why if we learn history we have to have ability to forgive. If not, then we might restart what has been ended.

    Through history I know what Dutch have ever done toward my nation in their colonization, what Japanese ever done in their short occupation. But I don't want to hate them for the things that have been left in the past as history.

    Unfortunately there are people who dig history with purpose to revive hostility and hatred that ever happened in the past, and start a new conflict. This is the attitude that we have to avoid.
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    Percentage conference's are very telling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandad View Post
    I was a wee bit on the young side then; but the wiki site is probably accurate for the Celts as a race (although some would dispute that there ever was such a people!).

    It's reckoned that my tribe (Silures) came from Iberia. DNA studies suggest that the Welsh have been here for about 10,000 years (give or take a week or two). Certainly the language is the oldest in Europe (with the possible exception of the Basque language). We were here long before the Scots........that's for sure (take note, Scottish Celt!)

    PS: And don't be impertinent!
    just seen this lol,..i always thought Wales was the younger nation,on these isle's with Ireland being the oldest,You can trace Irish roots back to Scotlands origins,it was the Scotti tribe from Ireland that settled in Scotland,...hence the name Scot'land,..Alba in gaelic of course,everyday is a school day,thanks for the info Granda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt View Post
    just seen this lol,..i always thought Wales was the younger nation,on these isle's with Ireland being the oldest,You can trace Irish roots back to Scotlands origins,it was the Scotti tribe from Ireland that settled in Scotland,...hence the name Scot'land,..Alba in gaelic of course,everyday is a school day,thanks for the info Granda.

    Some people are really scared of history - because their criminal history is inherited.

    The name "wales" comes from "wallachia" where "thorn in the flesh buffeters" the prince of wales' and the dizzy lizard's ancestor - prince of wallachia vlad dracul (dracula, vlad the impaler) ruled.
    Wal fir'auna dhil awtaad, alladheena at ghaw fi al bilaad, fa aktharu feeha al fasaad, fa suabba 'alaihim rabbuka suauta 'adhaab, inna rabbaka la bi al mirsuaad.

    Behold a great red dragon.....on a green and red flag..... Allahu a'lam.


    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-royals-294037

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/128...ot-in-the-head


    So....
    Woz it the paparazzi ...... or was it the papanazi???

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