when a muslim country either bans sharia entirely, or is founded upon democracy and I know from personal experience that democracy and Islamism don't mix....
jihad? dawah? democratic elections? what ate the guidelines of the implementation of sharia?
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
Sharee`ah is only ever implemented through Jihaad. Democracy is Kufr and opposes Islaam. It's a religion on its own. And Da`wah - even generations of it - will not cause the Kaafir countries to give up their man-made laws and replace it with Sharee`ah. That's not going to happen. The only thing that has ever brought Sharee`ah rule to any land has always only been Jihaad.
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Sharee`ah is only ever implemented through Jihaad. Democracy is Kufr and opposes Islaam. It's a religion on its own. And Da`wah - even generations of it - will not cause the Kaafir countries to give up their man-made laws and replace it with Sharee`ah. That's not going to happen. The only thing that has ever brought Sharee`ah rule to any land has always only been Jihaad.
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bro
As Bro MIA says we have to define jehad first, but many have said its 'STRIVING ''
Saudi is the only country widely quoted as Sharia law following country. When it has allowed riba based banks to operate and also supports and kills Muslim , what sharia is it following ? its also destroying Islamic artifacts but guarding jewish artifacts and acting as their puppets !!
Or do you have any better example of Sharia following country. ?
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
format_quote Originally Posted by talibilm
broAs Bro MIA says we have to define jehad first, but many have said its 'STRIVING ''Saudi is the only country widely quoted as Sharia law following country. When it has allowed riba based banks to operate and also supports and kills Muslim , what sharia is it following ? its also destroying Islamic artifacts but guarding jewish artifacts and acting as their puppets !!Or do you have any better example of Sharia following country. ?
Hating democracy is the root of dictatorship and kingship in Muslim countries. This issue is displayed as untacoutacble by well planned conspiracy.... I think islamization of democracy is possible but the rulers will not allow this as they don't like to be deprived of their ''powerful status'', and reservation for their family/clan.
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16
when a muslim country either bans sharia entirely, or is founded upon democracy and I know from personal experience that democracy and Islamism don't mix....jihad? dawah? democratic elections? what ate the guidelines of the implementation of sharia?
first, people should be given the rights to elect the ruling class and then Islamic laws should be implemented in the state (including ruling class)
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
format_quote Originally Posted by talibilm
bro
As Bro MIA says we have to define jehad first, but many have said its 'STRIVING ''
Saudi is the only country widely quoted as Sharia law following country. When it has allowed riba based banks to operate and also supports and kills Muslim , what sharia is it following ? its also destroying Islamic artifacts but guarding jewish artifacts and acting as their puppets !!
Or do you have any better example of Sharia following country. ?
We don't have to define Jihaad - the Qur'aan has already done so. I have explained the meaning of Jihaad in quite a few posts in the past. The linguistic meaning of Jihaad is to strive hard for something; however, the Shar`i meaning is Qitaal, meaning to fight. The rule is that the moment the Shari` meaning was revealed for a word, the linguistic meaning gets dropped. The linguistic meaning of Salaah is to make Du`aa. However, the Shar`i meaning is the `Ibaadah we perform five times a day. The moment that Shar`i meaning of Salaah was revealed, the linguistic meaning was dropped.
Sahaabah fought in Jihaad, Qitaal, in order to make all lands ruled by the Sharee`ah of Allaah Ta`aalaa. This is the fact of the matter. This is history. This is what happened. Read Futooh ash-Shaam, Futooh Misr, Futooh al-Iraq. Read up on the lives of the Sahaabah. They fought Rome, they fought Persia, and they defeated both of them.
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Hating democracy is the root of dictatorship and kingship in Muslim countries. This issue is displayed as untacoutacble by well planned conspiracy.... I think islamization of democracy is possible but the rulers will not allow this as they don't like to be deprived of their ''powerful status'', and reservation for their family/clan.
Democracy is Kufr. You cannot make democracy Islaamic; the two are complete opposites. It's like saying a switch can be on and off at the same time.
Democracy is rule for the people by the people. Majority rules. Or at least, that is what they claim, but the reality is, that never happens. In a Democratic state, if everybody feels that necrophilia is something good, it can be legalised. Whatever the people want, whatever they want the rules to be, that is what the rules will be. Dēmokratía: "the rule of the commoners". So, if Allaah Ta`aalaa says that something is Haraam, but the people feel it is something good, then they will ignore the Prohibition of Allaah Ta`aalaa and legalise that thing. Democracy is absolute Kufr. Whoever believes in democracy and believes it to be better than the Sharee`ah, becomes a Kaafir. This is from the Nawaaqidh (Nullifiers) of Imaan. Democracy falls under at-Tahaakum bi-Ghayri maa Anzalallaah (Ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed). Any person who has studied Tawheed knows that democracy is Shirk. It is giving the power of legislation to other than Allaah Ta`aalaa. However, in Islaam, legislation belongs to Allaah Ta`aalaa Alone. No one else has the right to make rules. In a democratic state, the Sharee`ah doesn't exist. If the Sharee`ah says something, then that has to be implemented even if the whole world doesn't like it. That can't happen in democracy. Democracy necessitates that if the majority are unhappy with that thing they can rule against it. They can - wal-`Iyaadhu Billaah - oppose Allaah Ta`aalaa and make the rules for themselves.
To any person of sound Imaan, he can see the glaring Kufr and Shirk of democracy. There is no "Islaamic Democracy". Such a thing doesn't exist. There is either Sharee`ah rule, or there isn't. And, when ruling by Sharee`ah, it is to be done in the manner that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم had done so, and the Sahaabah. Do not use Saudi Arabia as an example of a country ruling by the Sharee`ah, because they aren't. Saudi Arabia has become a puppet regime of America. They do what America wants, not what Allaah Ta`aalaa wants. Sharee`ah applies to everyone in society equally: both the rich and the poor, the leaders and the "nobodies".
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Democracy is Kufr. You cannot make democracy Islaamic; the two are complete opposites. It's like saying a switch can be on and off at the same time. Democracy is rule for the people by the people. Majority rules. Or at least, that is what they claim, but the reality is, that never happens. In a Democratic state, if everybody feels that necrophilia is something good, it can be legalised. Whatever the people want, whatever they want the rules to be, that is what the rules will be. Dēmokratía: "the rule of the commoners". So, if Allaah Ta`aalaa says that something is Haraam, but the people feel it is something good, then they will ignore the Prohibition of Allaah Ta`aalaa and legalise that thing. Democracy is absolute Kufr. Whoever believes in democracy and believes it to be better than the Sharee`ah, becomes a Kaafir. This is from the Nawaaqidh (Nullifiers) of Imaan. Democracy falls under at-Tahaakum bi-Ghayri maa Anzalallaah (Ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed). Any person who has studied Tawheed knows that democracy is Shirk. It is giving the power of legislation to other than Allaah Ta`aalaa. However, in Islaam, legislation belongs to Allaah Ta`aalaa Alone. No one else has the right to make rules. In a democratic state, the Sharee`ah doesn't exist. If the Sharee`ah says something, then that has to be implemented even if the whole world doesn't like it. That can't happen in democracy. Democracy necessitates that if the majority are unhappy with that thing they can rule against it. They can - wal-`Iyaadhu Billaah - oppose Allaah Ta`aalaa and make the rules for themselves.To any person of sound Imaan, he can see the glaring Kufr and Shirk of democracy. There is no "Islaamic Democracy". Such a thing doesn't exist. There is either Sharee`ah rule, or there isn't. And, when ruling by Sharee`ah, it is to be done in the manner that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم had done so, and the Sahaabah. Do not use Saudi Arabia as an example of a country ruling by the Sharee`ah, because they aren't. Saudi Arabia has become a puppet regime of America. They do what America wants, not what Allaah Ta`aalaa wants. Sharee`ah applies to everyone in society equally: both the rich and the poor, the leaders and the "nobodies". Was-Salaam.
people should be given fundamental right of electing the ruling class and the ruling class should implement the Islamic laws...
Rule by a Muslim ruler on his muslim subjects by any law other than Allah 's law is kufr. agreed. If the subjects are non Muslims they pay jizya (in lieu of Islamic state protection) but no compulsion to accept Islam and people of Book were given the right to judge by their own books proves this.
But Democracy imo is the roots of establishment of an PEOPLE ELECTED ruler which is nearer to Islam than Kingdom ship which makes the subjects fear like a slave to the King ( Instead of fearing Allah ) in democracy people normally have the choice and more freedom to follow their religion which is more nearer to Islam than Kingdomship which puts people more nearer to Shirk than democracy sine now they fear the King more than Allah and are afraid to speak out if it goes against the King UNLIKE DEMOCRACY where people raise voice if the country does force kufr on them or remove Islamic personal law by PM Modi, as seen in India where the Court REJECTED that pointing out its not democracy
Muslims did not fight to force Islam and that's proved by the statement of Umar RA which said something like he wished that there could be a wall between us and the Romans (or Persians - i do not remember)
When Prophet wrote a letter to Heraclius of Byzantine he invited to Islam but ended with a Common Terms note of believing in One God. Prophet did not threat if you do not accept Islam we are going to attack and capture you.
But all the islamic conquests by the rightly guided caliphs were in self defence which some took shape of pre emptive strikes (when enemy plans to attack us is proved 100 % ) or was invited by some of them who begged muslims help to free public from oppression.
But confusing BASIS of Democracy ( I do not mean the law of guidance ) with kufr could be a diplomacy played by dictators or self interested politicians as bro AZC has said in his post
Some claim Najjashi did not rule by Sharia for whom Prophet prayed funeral but I do not see any error since The most majority (may be 90% ) of his subjects were Christians so he did not do that is the answer and Allah likes the ruler who is just and Islam is Just 2:256 ( http://legacy.quran.com/2/256 )
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
The battles fought by the Khulafaa-e-Raashideen - by the consensus of not only the `Ulamaa of Islaam, but even the historians - were Offensive battles aimed at conquering land for Islaam. That is why the historians boast that during the Khilaafah of Hadhrat `Umar رضي الله عنه, approximately 4,050 cities were conquered by the Muslims. These lands were then ruled by the Sharee`ah.
In fact, a person can even put history and historical facts aside for a moment and look at it logically:
Who do all the lands on earth belong to?
The simple answer which every Muslim will give is: Allaah. Allaah Ta`aaala is the Creator, and thus everything He has created belongs to Him Alone. This entire earth belongs solely and only to Him.
Then, since Allaah Ta`aalaa is the Creator of all the lands on earth, and thus all the lands on earth belong to Him Alone, how should those lands be governed? Whose rule should preside over those lands? The man-made laws of Kaafirs, to whom the land does not truly belong, or the Divine Laws of Allaah Ta`aalaa, the Creator and Owner of those lands?
The simple and straightforward answer is: The Divine Laws of Allaah Ta`aalaa.
The Kutub of Fiqh written by the `Ulamaa of the four Madhaahib of Islaam are unanimous that if there is a Khaleefah, it is the duty upon that Khaleefah to wage offensive Jihaad to conquer lands for Islaam. Even if all the Muslim lands are safe, the ruling is that Jihaad still remains Fardh `alal Kifaayah (Obligatory upon a group of the Muslims, and if they undertake it, the obligation falls off the rest of people). Even in that situation, Jihaad is Fardh `alal Kifaayah, so what about the world as it is today, when Muslims are being massacred everywhere, and millions of Muslims are imprisoned, and Islaam is being attacked on a daily basis? To speak now about things like, "I wish there was a wall between me and x, y, z" is illogical, because it's not going happen. The Kuffaar really don't care what walls any Muslim wishes exists; they will continue their attack against Islaam and the Muslims, and bombing their lands on a daily basis. The Kuffaar would never allow there to be a country ruled by Islaam, Even If the inhabitants were all Muslims and they had "democratic elections" to choose Muslim rulers who would rule by the Sharee`ah. America would attack that place, on the pretext of "liberating it", which translates to: "Worshipping Shaytaan and obeying him by trying to destroy the Laws of Allaah Ta`aalaa and replace them with satanism". Any Muslim group in the world that ever wants there to be a land governed by the Divine Laws of Allaah Ta`aalaa, by the Sharee`ah, would have no choice but to fight for it and fight to protect it. That's the reality of this Dunyaa. There will always be Jihaad until there are no Muslims left on this earth.
Was-Salaam.
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Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
We Muslims are praying the price for not following the Noble Quran and sunnah as it had to be followed so we are paying a heavy price .
Noble Quran 8:60 '' And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.''
Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4711 It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn Amir who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say-and he was delivering a sermon from the pulpit: Prepare to meet them with as much strength as you can afford. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery.
Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2507 Narrated Uqbah ibn Amir:
I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: Allah, Most High, will cause three persons to enter Paradise for one arrow: the maker when he has a good motive in making it, the one who shoots it, and the one who hands it; so shoot and ride, but your shooting is dearer to me than your riding. Everything with which a man amuses himself is vain except three (things): a man's training of his horse, his playing with his wife, and his shooting with his bow and arrow. If anyone abandons archery after becoming an adept through distaste for it, it is a blessing he has abandoned; or he said: for which he has been ungrateful.
For info from post # 79 from this thread http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?483593-Muslim-joining-the-army/page2
Anything DOUBTFUL is bad for a muhmin , he is supposed to avoid it . But such things cant be forced on All. Like in Thailand every muslim eats here CP Halal chicken but the very pious look out for culled only My Muslim companies
format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
most people will just struggle through until the finger gets pointed at them.
if you are three then he is a forth.. although i thought i remembered it as.. if you are two then he is a third.
I did not get this.
And I do not accept Bro Huzaifas argument as well and I do not want to indulge in a lengthy argument .Nor i believe in his DOUBLE STANDARDS that the noble Quran Linguistic & Shari was different. Allah made the Noble Quran clear as Allah says . He similarly blabbered about definition of Talib ilm .lol . and In Fact Umar R.A gave back a city back to Syrian Christians together with the Jizya money he had collected from them saying we are going to face the largest army of the Romans and you should protect yourselves.
See Umar RA did not even pray at a Church not because of Jesus 's statue was there but he feared muslims will confisticate it see this video
Those who has gone to extrems since they think ONLY they know Islam , let them be answerable to Allah and I shall leave this topic with a Hadith from Secret keeper of Prophet Hudhaifa RA.
PROPHECIES OF NABI TO BE CAREFUL IN OUR DAYS OR LATER
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 206
Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:
The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deedsand disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a state should take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."
Muslim :: Book 5 : Hadith 2322
Abu Salama and 'Ata' b. Yasar came to Abu Sa'id al-Khudri and asked him about Haruriya, saying: Did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of them? He (Abu Sai'd al-Khudri) said: I don't know who the Haruriya are, but I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise in this nation (and he did not say" out of them" ) a people and you would hold insignificant your prayers as compared with their prayers. And they would recite the Qur'an which would not go beyond their throats and would swerve through the religion (as blank) just as a (swift) arrow passes through the prey. The archer looks at his arrow, at its iron head and glances at its end (which he held) in the tip of his fingers to see whether it had any stain of blood.
Muslim :: Book 5 : Hadith 2318
Abu Said Khudri reported that 'Ali (Allah be pleased with him) sent some gold alloyed with dust to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) distributed that among four men, al-Aqra b. Habis Hanzali and Uyaina b. Badr al-Fazari and 'Alqama b. 'Ulatha al-'Amiri, then to one person of the tribe of Kilab and to Zaid al-Khair al-Ta'l, and then to one person of the tribe of Nabhan. Upon this the people of Quraish felt angry and said: He (the Holy Prophet) gave to the chiefs of Najd and ignored us. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have done it with a view to con- cillating them. Then there came a person with thick beard, prominent cheeks, deep sunken eyes and protruding forehead and shaven head. He said: Muhammad, fear Allah. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If I disobey Allah, who would then obey Him? Have I not been (sent as the) most trustworthy among the people of the-world? -but you do not repose trust in me. That person then went back. A person among the people then sought permission (from the Holy Prophet) for his murder. According to some, it was Khalid b. Walid who sought the permission. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), said: From this very person's posterity there would arise people who would recite the Qur'an, but it would not go beyond their throat; they would kill the followers of Islam and would spare the idol-worshippers. They would glance through the teachings of Islam so hurriedly just as the arrow passes through the pray. If I were to ever find them I would kill them like 'Ad.
BUKHARI,Volume 4, Book 56, Number 808 :
Narrated by 'Ali I relate the traditions of Allah's Apostle to you for I would rather fall from the sky than attribute something to him falsely. But when I tell you a thing which is between you and me, then no doubt, war is guile. I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "In the last days of this world there will appearsome young foolish people who will use (in their claim) the best speech of all people (i.e. the Qur'an) and they will abandon Islam as an arrow going through the game. Their belief will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have practically no belief), so wherever you meet them, kill them, for he who kills them shall get a reward on the Day of Resurrection."
Note : Some claim to protect Islam but they really never understood the Noble Quran or hadith ie Islam and betray muslims and destroy Islam and downfall of the ummah instead. Allah termed the loss of face at Hudaibya as VICTORY for Muslims in sura Al Fath when most sahabas were unhappy . Allah, The ALL WISE is true as always. Another Incident which clearly proves that Allah and his Prophet endorsed Peace more than confrontation even if we were able to fight was this incident of treaty of Hudaibiya which even the greater Sahabas considered as loosing face of Muslims but Allah , Al Hakim called it as a Victory - Sura Al Fath and Allah Proved it true when islam grew at a very slow pace (about 1500 Sahabas in the first 16 years of preaching) untill after Treaty of Hudaibiya in just couple of years Muslims swelled many times into about 10,000 Sahabas leading into peaceful conquest of Mecca and the below Hadith describes it too
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 53 :: Hadith 406
Narrated Abu Wail:
We were in Siffin and Sahl bin Hunaif got up and said, "O people! Blame yourselves! We were with the Prophet on the day of Hudaibiya, and if we had been called to fight, we would have fought. But 'Umar bin Al Khatab came and said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Aren't we in the right and our opponents in the wrongs' Allah's Apostle said, 'Yes.' 'Umar said, 'Aren't our killed persons in Paradise and their's in Hell?' He said, 'Yes.' 'Umar said, 'Then why should we accept hard terms in matters concerning our religion? Shall we return before Allah judges between us and them?' Allah's Apostle said, 'O Ibn Al-Khattab! I am the Apostle of Allah and Allah will never degrade me. Then 'Umar went to Abu Bakr and told him the same as he had told the Prophet.On that Abu Bakr said (to 'Umar). 'He is the Apostle of Allah and Allah will never degrade him.' Then Surat-al-Fath (i.e. Victory) was revealed and Allah's Apostle recited it to the end in front of 'Umar. On that 'Umar asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! Was it (i.e. the Hudaibiya Treaty) a victory?' Allah's Apostle said, "Yes"
Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2498 Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Use your property, your persons any your tongues in striving against the polytheists.
Note: But nothing can be compared with those Muslim Who fights against who evicted muslims out of their homes which is clear cut in Israel 's case .
Re: How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?
At least Four nations already have shariah as their law.
Why not look to their examples to see how they tackled the implementation of it?
The constitutions of the UAE, the State of Qatar, the Kingdom of Bahrain and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, as well as in many other muslim countries declare that Islamic canon (sharia) is the basis of all legislation and law.
The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) member states follow only Sunni sects for issues not related to personal status. However, Islamic canon does not specifically mention issues related to maritime or information technology law. Hence, legislators attempt to turn to international standards and then modify them to meet the Islamic standard, if necessary.
The Personal Status Law (UAE) 2005 is based on Sunni Islamic jurisprudence, so it allows that the court uses foreign laws to decide cases involving non-citizens, if the citizens agree. Emirati citizens do not have this option. If one or more of the parties is from Iran, then the matter can be decided in accordance with Iranian law, which is based on Shia Islamic jurisprudence. If one or more of the parties was a legal resident of California, then they can choose to have their dispute resolved in accordance with California law. Note that personal status includes: inheritance, child custody, paternity and birth certificates, guardianship of those of limited capacity, marriage and divorce.
The Kingdom of Bahrain has three separate branches of the court for personal status issues: Shia, Sunni and all other non-Shia sects, and non-Muslims.
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did not threat if you do not accept Islam we are going to attack and capture you.
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