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    Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

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    I heard from someone saying that People of Book have been tested and they failed God’s Test and now they have fallen into disbelief, as for Muslims, when it was revealed Quran, God did not Tested Muslims at all. And how come the people of Book have corrupted their books? And how come Muslims never corrupted Quran neither will corrupt?

    Is this a will of God for them to fall into disbelief? Or, it is they who did themselves and Made God To treat them as disbelievers? Do you think that, if people of Scriptures have passed His Test, then today they were originally treated as true believers as Muslims are treated and maybe He will Say that Heaven is only for people of Scriptures and Muslims?

    I ask curiosity.

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Hello,
    I do not know exactly what you are referring to, but everyone is getting tested here on Earth. Every one of us has his / her own individual test. no one gets a test which is too heavy for him / her to pass. Weak people get easy tests...strong people will get more difficult tests. weak or strong in the meaning of mentally strong...and strong willpower...not how strong someone is physically. People of disbelief are in that situation because they chose that position to be in. God of course knew which choice they would be making, but it really was their own choice.

    Besides, Heaven is only for Muslims. you either have believers (Muslims) or disbelievers.
    Those people of scriptures were believers and therefore Muslim.
    Originally Jews and true Christians were also believers and therefore Muslim...but later on they went believing in a Trinity or their religion got corrupted.
    The Jews and Christians from now who have knowledge of Islam but are rejecting it, are usually not believers anymore.
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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Me either, I just heard from someone saying like that.

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    The only thing that amazed me is, how come Muslims were able to protect their belief but People of Book were not able? I mean if Muslims were to fall into kufr like People of Scriptures, than the Muslims of today would be treated as disbelievers, right? And maybe the end of life will come early, right?

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    People of the book were ordered to take the revealed books and preserve it. They started to corrupt them.

    [وَيَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ]

    (and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.)
    [وَيَقُولُونَ هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ]
    (they say: "This is from Allah,'' but it is not from Allah)

    As Allah wanted Islam to be the final pure message till the day of Judgement, He affirmed the preservation of Quran by His own words. I think that's what you want to say.

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Good brother View Post
    As Allah wanted Islam to be the final pure message till the day of Judgement, He affirmed the preservation of Quran by His own words. I think that's what you want to say.
    Which of the various sects of Islam teaches the pure message of the Quran?

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplains View Post
    Which of the various sects of Islam teaches the pure message of the Quran?

    Thanks,
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    What sect did prophet Muhammad (pbuh) follow?

    You're welcome
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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplains View Post
    Which of the various sects of Islam teaches the pure message of the Quran?

    Thanks,
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    I do not understand the purpose of your question, but the pure message of the Quran does not need any sect to be understood. Just read the Quran. If you do not know Arabic, read and compare translations and different versions with each other to avoid translation errors as much as possible. You can study Tafsirs which are a huge source of background information about the verses and surahs...and you can study hadeeths.
    this can be done without following any sect.

    If you still searching for someone who can explain things in detail for you...the denominations within Islam (sunni and shia) was originally only political and did not have a difference in the clear message of Islam...but eventually acquired theological and juridical dimensions. I do not know much about the other directions, but the Sunni direction there are 4 major schools, which differ only in detail from each other and these difference are only in the sunnah...not in the clear message of Islam. All 4 directions are equally trustfull and can be chosen to follow. these are Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki and Shafi.

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Quote Originally Posted by umie View Post
    Hello,I do not know exactly what you are referring to, but everyone is getting tested here on Earth.
    Exactly. And while we have no objective way of knowing who gets to heaven, we can easily judge how successful a religion or culture is here on Earth. So we can see who is passing the test. And right now, no religion is passing the test. This can be seen in that the whole world is currently a mess. It is my belief that if any religion actually followed the message from Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad, any one of these three, then that religion would produce the dominant culture in the world. When Islam dominated, it was following the message from Muhammad. And when Christianity dominated, it was following the message of Jesus (even if imperfectly, but still good enough). Today, no religion seems to understand God's messages from any of his prophets.

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    There is a time and place for everything.

    If we were to believe in the messages at all, there must be a reason for them to be mentioned categorically as the 'Books'. The Zabur, the Taurah, the Injil and the Quran. As we humans are learning creatures, the Books themselves must have imparted certain basic themes as guides for us all.

    As humans also have a tendency to forget, the Zabur gave us the basic knowledge, the tauheed. The Taurah added the human dynamics. If we were to encapsulate it, it could be summarised as to do unto others what you would want others to do unto you. Unfortunately, humans reversed it from being nice to one another, to the right for revenge. Hence the term 'an eye for an eye' . . . . So with this feuds could last for generations. The Injil introduced the concept of forgiveness as being a higher spiritual level, thus providing a better option. With the concept of tauheed established, the human mechanics imparted and forgiveness as a means to neutralise situations, humans were ready to live in a fairer community and it was time for laws for a community, and the Quran was revealed. The completed teachings built from the foundations laid by the previous Books. Hence why (in my humblest opinion, I don't make the rules, but merely and observer of Allah's Grand Plans) it was not necessary to have the earlier Books preserved.

    On why the Muslims are not tested but the other people of the Books were, I believe it is not question but merely a statement from an observation point of view. And if that observation then turns out to be in the form of a question, then I believe the question is taken from a 'snapshot' point of view. That is, our test is still to come. We will face the toughest one yet. Not talking about me or you.. but who knows, we might see that time.

    So those who ask I feel only look backwards and study the history. They have not looked forward to see what is coming. If Dajjal appears in front of you promising stuff, it will be hard not to be convinced. You can see his handiworks already. We all (almost) live in riba' and quite a large majority are living in debt and for many, it is a lifetime of debts. How many would long for a quick reprieve? (just to give a scenario) some would be so deprived that they would be willing to sink to unknown depths for the opportunity to get ahead in life. The muslim nation is being fattened up for the slaughter, I believe. Looks at the corrupt leaders of the world. (In my case, I don't have to look further than my own country).. I have seen tremendous moral decay over the last decade or so. I must say also that I have also observed a larger increase in awareness about scholarly matters in the deen, however, much of it is merely for lip service and to raise doubts, create confusion by citing extreme cases when actually islam is simple. It is the intent that complicates things.

    And it is the intent that gets evaluated.

    Yes, islam is facing steep challenges now. Attacks are being made in every way and coming from different directions. The cartoon caricature of the holy prophet (pbuh) the hijab, the burkini, labeled as terrorists etc.. the quiet discriminations, I believe, it will get worse.

    But we are wondering why not us when all the other Books have been tested? We had a Caliphate (albeit a corrupt one) We have lost that. Aren't we tested? We are all divided into separate countries, secularised into races and political systems. Aren't we tested? Mostly (if not entirely) dependent upon the West when the Quran specifically says not to make pacts with the 'Judeo-Christian alliances' because they surely do not have your interests at heart. Yet we do! Haven't we been failing the test?

    I don't know. What do you think?


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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I heard from someone saying that People of Book have been tested and they failed God’s Test and now they have fallen into disbelief, as for Muslims, when it was revealed Quran, God did not Tested Muslims at all. And how come the people of Book have corrupted their books? And how come Muslims never corrupted Quran neither will corrupt?

    Is this a will of God for them to fall into disbelief? Or, it is they who did themselves and Made God To treat them as disbelievers? Do you think that, if people of Scriptures have passed His Test, then today they were originally treated as true believers as Muslims are treated and maybe He will Say that Heaven is only for people of Scriptures and Muslims?

    I ask curiosity.


    EVERYONE (muslim or non muslim or born muslim or revert ) is tested. There is no guarantee every BORN muslim will enter jannah unless untill he strives for his eemaan and dies with eemaan.
    Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    My Sect : No Sect

    My Aqeedha : Aqeedha of Sahabas as in http://legacy.quran.com/112

    Just a Muslim with Glorious Quran and (hadith) sunnah as my guide as in verse 41:33 '' And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    And how come, Quran is been kept clean, pure and no corruption? And Gospel and Torah has been corrupted?

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    And how Muslims, were able to protect the true belief but People of Book have failed?

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    And plus, when I reached age of 18, my childhood is over and I have not use it wisely, and I would like after He reversed the time, so that she can Make from the first people To Make the biological development of child’s body and brain to fully develop at age of 28 instead of 18, so that I can have chance to have fun and to do obligatory things such as: praying, obeying what God Tells me to do and to study worldly sciences so that I can build a bright future and so that I can say to God in the Day of Judgement that during my childhood, I used to pray to Him a lot and I was almost similar in praying like prophet Muhammad, and I obeyed my parents what is good and I obeyed You because right now I did not do that, and I don’t have the courage to tell God what I did during my childhood.

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    Re: Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I don’t have the courage to tell God what I did during my childhood.
    You don´t need to tell to the God what you did during your childhood because He knows it already as He knows everything and here is nothing you could hide from Him.
    Why were people of Scriptures tested and Muslims are not tested?

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