If anyone has asked this before, I apologize. I am new and, if you have read my intro, this is one of the things that bothers me about Islam.
Homosexuality.
I myself am not gay but I want to know why we see it as such a bad thing.
Firstly God made people homosexual. They did not ask for this. I mean, truly, do you think many of these people would put themselves through some of them pain they must endure, because they want to????
People say homosexuaity is disgusting but I submit that this is our upbringing that makes us thing so. To us, raised in the idea that it is man and woman we are not used to seeing people of the same gender, but then in a way, even hetrosexual sex can appear disgusting.
Is it right to deny people the right to be loved and to love? Is it right to force on people a change that goes against how they were created and how they are? Is it right to belittle and make them feel like they are freaks or have problems?
Gene Robinson is a bishop of the Episcopal church. He is a good man, admired by many in his parishes. He is in a monogamous relationship with one man. I know other people who are gay and do not deserve the treatment of the things we say about them.
How can I be expected to condone a faith that will send people I care about to Hell for something they did not choose? How can I hate someone or pity someone again for something they have no control over?
We expect them to change or to be celebate? Is that truly right of us? It has been shown that no one can really stop being gay and why celebacy? Why deny them the chance to be loved?
And why deny them rights? so many of the rights they are denied have nothing to do with them being gay. The only thing being gay should affect is who a person dates, not if they can serve in the military or a job or whatever.
The reason homosexuaity was condemned in the past was because it was fruitless, no children came from it. But in this day and age population and a risk of extinction of the human race, at least through lack of breeding is clearly not a problem!!! In fact some might say we are breeding too fast!
Homosexuality is a choice, not a something you're born with. BY your logic paedophiles are born that way too right ? It's a combination of the environment you grow up in and the choices you make, just like taking up a faith is a choice ultimately. They do have a choice. Just like a husband who decides to have sex outside of marriage, it's a choice. Desire. Lust. Get it ? There's a stark difference between what you want to do, and what you need to do. See where I'm going here ?
As regards homosexuals being condemned in Islam. I simply have no idea what the rules are here. What does your friend go through to 'feel' like he's being outcasted ? From my experience, homosexuals have a propensity to be sensetive to certain issues sometimes fruitlessly, when there is no issue at all. Homosexuals have many rights protecting them in todays day and age, just like women do (at least in the West). If anything it's the men that are on the firing line lol !
There's almost no medical evidence stating that it is something people are born with (except very rare cases). Factually, ask yourself why a man would be attracted to another man ? The correct answer would be because his testosterone levels (dominant in men) are remarkably low and his oestrogen levels (dominant in women) are significantly higher. If this was the case, then it would be understandable why they don't find other women attractive and men more so. Find me a significant case study and I'll be convinced there is an underlying change (notice how I don't say problem, because I don't believe there is a defect to begin with). Why do you think there are husbands out there that have 1,2 even 3 kids and suddenly decide they're gay ? It's a choice no matter how you look at it. There are homosexual men out there who pumped (muscularly) and are gay, what is their reason for being gay ? I can assure you it certainly isn't a deficiency in testosterone ^^. My point is it's a choice, not a natural born change. That argument is bogus.
I'll take a wild guess here and assume you're female and have a homosexual friend that has been discriminated against.
I'm not knocking homosexuals at all, I don't really mind them at all. I only ever knew one, and he had the most attrocious mannerism and attitude I have ever encountered, however I don't judge the actions of the few to be the majority.
Personally I think Allah made a system, Males and Females for a reason. To procreate, companionship etc they go together harmoniously both emotionally and physically (obviously ). If gay's want to be gay, so be it.
Tip : Don't bring a pro-gay topic up in an Islamic Forum buddy, you're asking to get flamed (no offense, just being realistic) go somewhere you'll get an emotional opinion you want to hear.
God doesn't make people gay. Maybe it’s not a choice they make to become one, but it’s definitely not gods fault. I have never seen a baby being gay.
How can heterosexual appear disgusting: S? If it does then we are all doomed!?
I don’t have the right to do anything to anyone; they can do what ever they want. The way I see it they do have problems. Since you mentioned god, i always look at the mechanism god created. A women and a male get together. They can have sex in a way which is perfectly suitable for both parties. The whole mechanism behind is very well created. But if we look at two males for example, there isn’t an obvious way for them to uhm do their business. They have to figure a way.... and it’s a somewhat disturbing one, a painful one! U can't say its natures way, because there isn't a clear mechanism that works for two males. So u see them buying all types of oils and nasty stuff to make it work. Had there not been oil, and god knows what they use, then it would be a much painful experience and I guess less people would practise it.
There is a good 12 threads on homosexuality on this forum, why not use the search feature to read all that has been already discussed in lieu or rehashing old topics?
btw-- Christianity doesn't approve of homosexuality either -- and as far as I know the bible is a done deal? and not subject to amending
Question: "What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?"
Answer: The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When a person continues in sin and disbelief, the Bible tells us that God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).
You'll forgive me-- but I have my doubts you were born a Muslim-- you seem like a full fledged Evangelist -- we come across them every so often assuming all sort of guises....
If you were in fact born Muslim-- and have spent your life learning Christianity, I suggest you simply embrace it and NOT guilt others into doing all they can to keep you from crossing over.. I think research requires books and scholars, not a public blog..
all the best..
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Homosexuality is particularly considered in Islam as an utterly odious and heinous crime. The whole tribe of the Prophet Lot (A.S.), which was engaged in this crime, was destroyed by Allah Taala through an exemplary punishment, whose ominous signs are still visible in the south of the Dead See. Qur'an narrated the story more than once. In the Islamic jurisprudence the punishment of the homosexuals (both persons) is harsher than the fornicator. All the religions including Judaism and Christianity could neither permit nor tolerate a crime that Allah Taala Himself described as having no parallel in the human history and being the most heinous in nature.
God made people homosexuals? So He also made people pedophiles? I dont really think so. Many people who are gays had some troubles with personality or were sexually expolited by adults.
The normal behaviour is when man feels desire to woman. Other cases are abnormal.
This is one thing. But on the other hand gays should have all rights as other citizens with the excpetions of getting married and adopting kids. Its a normal thing, even ancient Greeks(who sometimes practiced homosexuality) seen the family only as relationship between one man and one woman.
What is doing now by the gay activist and thei lobby is a simple post marxist based false ideology, similar as radical ecology which states that -"its ok to kill humans to save animals".
I also have no idea how people who support gay marriages dare to ban poligamy. What moral right have people supporting gay marriages to ban let say - relationship between adult 40 yr old man and a 13 year old girl who agrees to be in such relationship. If we break taboo of traditional family who gonna make some sane borders of our failure human desires n ideologies. And at the end, what other sexual minorities will be made free from the opressive societies by the children of nowadays gay activists in future.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
Scientifically, it can be argued, that men may have been born to desire men at a later life.
But then, men are to desire women, a lot of times alcohol, pork, drugs - and other stuff.
In the end, you will not be punished for homosexual thoughts or desires - only if you act upon them - just as if you act upon sex before marriage - intake of drugs or alcohol etc etc. Allah knows, you may be born with it just as a test, as you could if you had any other kind of characteristic from birth.
You can be tested in many ways, I mean, he could have made you poor - which could make you unthankful or steal without need. He could have made you rich and you may have forgot about Allah altogether and went into haram. Allah could have made you beutiful and you could be exposed to things which he has forbidden which you may have not experienced if you was not beutiful. So many things, all can easily be seen as tests.
The church you are so interested in is currently in the midst of a potential schism over homosexuality. It's not as clear cut as you portray it. Sure, there's a gay bishop, but most of the church is po-ed about it
21:35 Every human being is bound to taste death; and We test you [all] through the bad and the good [things of life] by way of trial: and unto Us you all must return.
And He gives us the capacity to pass these tests
2:286 God does not burden any human being with more than he is well able to bear: in his favour shall be whatever good he does, and against him whatever evil he does. O our Sustainer! Take us not to task if we forget or unwittingly do wrong! "O our Sustainer! Lay not upon us a burden such as Thou didst lay upon those who lived before us! [278] O our Sustainer! Make us not bear burdens which we have no strength to bear! "And efface Thou our sins, and grant us forgiveness, and bestow Thy mercy upon us! Thou art our Lord Supreme: succour us, then, against people who deny the truth!"
Homosexual urges are a test. Heterosexual urges are a test. Poverty is a test. Wealth is a test. Sickness is a test. Health is a test. We examine the Qur'an and the life of the best example, the Prophet Muhammad (saws), to see the best way to pass these tests.
I suffer from chronic depression. Oftentimes suicidal feelings are overwhelming. But I don't give into them, because that isn't what Allah (swt) has allowed for us.
its something goes against the nature that allah create the human with, firstly it against the human desires in the other gender.
secondly, it will eliminate the human reproduction which is one of the universe feature if each homosexual couple decide to adopt children to have what so called a family
and another important issue raised after that, can we imagine the feeling of the child that will be raised having two mothers? or two fathers? just what kind of feeling he will have?
so there is no any benefits behind that in all cases
Well, the thing u said about gays going through alot of pain. Thats not really true cause we all know that gay guys make more money than straight guys. Look at the t.v shows, the commercials, the highest paid hair dressers are gay nd so on. They are living the high life. I wud personally not be surprised if most of these gay guys whom we think are gay are actually straight, they jst doing it for the money!...I am not buying the whole I'm gay stories.
They are not happy, look at those empty eyes. u dont need to be a genius to see it, I see nothing but empty eyes, empty souls. Darkness!
People always go with the hype, someone got killed for being naked *revolution*, lets all be naked. Someone got gay now everyone wants to be gay, give me a break. conformists!
Learn Patience from Asiyah, Loyalty from Khadijah, Sincerity from Aisha and Steadfastness from Fatima.
I don't think people always choose to be gay. I have heard testimonies from christians and muslims - seeking advice - because they are "gay" and wished they wern't. Heck, even non-religious people somtimes, when they become gay, wish they wern't.
I don't think people always choose to be gay. I have heard testimonies from christians and muslims - seeking advice - because they are "gay" and wished they wern't. Heck, even non-religious people somtimes, when they become gay, wish they wern't.
Allahu Allam sis. All I know is that ALlah created no gays, same way he didnt create alcoholics, You become, cause u choose the path.
If I do everything my nafs tells me, I will surely do some crazy things. Thats why we don't do everything just cause we can.
How did they get gay? that doesn't happen over night. You think, you avoid, & if you want to do it, you will.
Learn Patience from Asiyah, Loyalty from Khadijah, Sincerity from Aisha and Steadfastness from Fatima.
I don't think people always choose to be gay. I have heard testimonies from christians and muslims - seeking advice - because they are "gay" and wished they wern't. Heck, even non-religious people somtimes, when they become gay, wish they wern't.
I have heard the same about Paedophiles. Some of them wish they could stop the evil thoughts but they can't
Allahu Allam sis. All I know is that ALlah created no gays, same way he didnt create alcoholics, You become, cause u choose the path.
If I do everything my nafs tells me, I will surely do some crazy things. Thats why we don't do everything just cause we can.
How did they get gay? that doesn't happen over night. You think, you avoid, & if you want to do it, you will.
I have seen scientific studies to suggest that you can be naturally gay - you can even find animals which are gay
In the end, its a test imho. Even in religious environments, I heard people who have had homosexual urges.
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I have heard the same about Paedophiles. Some of them wish they could stop the evil thoughts but they can't
You are right, definately true. I actually read a testimony of a guy, who has such urges - and is so ashamed and so fourth (although he claimed he never acted upon them). I am sure their are many other strange desires people have too which they did not wish to have.
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