But I don't think we are allowed to pray for them after their death.
Allaahu Aalim.
I don't have the reference either but I think that's only for those we know for certain died doing major shirk, like the case of Abu Talib. It would be a waste of our prayers the more it had become clear to the person about RasoolAllah's (saw) prophethood, but (on a little different matter) I heard Dr. Israr Ahmed say that we can't assess another Muslim's nifaq: for the worst level (hatred for people of eman, falsely swearing by Allah for excuses) our prayers certainly go to waste:
9:80. Ask forgiveness for them, (O Muhammad), or do not ask forgiveness for them. If you should ask forgiveness for them seventy times never will Allah forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger, and Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people.
Hadhrat Umar ibn-Khattaab (RadhiAllahu Anhu) entered Islam after Prophet Muhammad prayed for his guidance. Like T.I.A said, you can pray for their guidance. Can't pray for their forgiveness. Don't know if you can pray for any material benefit to them.
If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you? And in Allah (Alone) let believers put their trust.
Surah Ale Imran : 160
It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) climbed up Uhud, accompanied by Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and the mountain shook with them. He struck it with his foot and said: “Stand firm, O Uhud, for there is no one on you but a Prophet or a Siddeeq or two martyrs.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3483)
Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Taala) does not inspire seeking forgiveness in a slave whom he wishes to punish.
Hmm, it would be nice to see evidence for it being haram (rather than just a waste) to pray for non-mushrik non-Muslim deceased. Dr. Zakir was asked (in the currently running series with Yusuf Chambers, last Ramadan) if we can pray for a Muslim that comitted suicide. From his answer we see that anything dealing with eternal ****ation in Quran and hadith is conditional under 4:116:
Lo! Allah pardoneth not that partners should be ascribed unto Him. He pardoneth all save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah hath wandered far astray.
I actually meant if you can make dua to benefit their life/health/worries/tragedies in some way. But the topic you guys have bought up is interesting too.
I was wondering as ofcourse most of us will have non Muslim friends and neighbours in our lives and we do not like to see them suffer or go through bad times, and our response to a Muslim person would usually be to make dua for them, so can you do this for non Muslims?
I actually meant if you can make dua to benefit their life/health/worries/tragedies in some way. But the topic you guys have bought up is interesting too.
I was wondering as ofcourse most of us will have non Muslim friends and neighbours in our lives and we do not like to see them suffer or go through bad times, and our response to a Muslim person would usually be to make dua for them, so can you do this for non Muslims?
No, you should not have love for them,for their kufr. You can just pray so they become Muslims!
Some or most non-Muslims is speaking against Allah, we make dua for them to realize the truth one-day about Islam and the purpose of this life. There is no other god but Allah only.
Hmm but surely we DO have to have love for all mankind and help all mankind. Maybe actually making dua is not permissible, but to have no love? That would mean not helping the elderly, being friends with non muslims, not living in harmony with non muslims. The Prophet SAW even helped non believers, even if they were nasty to him personally?
Yeah, of course we need to distinguish between them and what they do. We should not wish them their pagan anniversaries, but our behaviour towards them itself should be inviting them to Islam.
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[...] and our response to a Muslim person would usually be to make dua for them [...]
At the back of our mind we always want overall good: we'd want to see our Muslim brother/sister get closer to Allah swt while coming out of the ordeal. We must be even more concerned for non-Muslims that Allah swt may save them from earning (not sure if this is the right translation) to be given rope, as Ali_008's signature refers to:
Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Taala) does not inspire seeking forgiveness in a slave whom he wishes to punish. Ali (RadhiAllahu Anhu)
"It says in Tuhfat al-Muhtaaj: It is haraam to pray for a kaafir and for one whose Islam is in doubt with regard to matters of the Hereafter, even if that is one of his parents. (3/141)."
Can we get some clarification on this, because Ibn Kathir's tafsir for 9:80 seems to oppose this:
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prayed for his guidance. Like T.I.A said, you can pray for their guidance. Can't pray for their forgiveness. Don't know if you can pray for any material benefit to them.
We should not wish them their pagan anniversaries, but our behaviour towards them itself should be inviting them to Islam.
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