As most of you might know, I am suffering from waswas a lot. I try to remember Allah and pray and ignore these thoughts and yet they still affect me a lot. What makes it worse is when I sometimes feel like I am thinking this thought intentionally and it was all my fault. For instance, before I start praying I seek refuge in Allah and ask Allah to help protect me from shaytan's waswas. I start praying and suddenly I realise that I haven't had a waswas and it's going well and then pretty much as soon as I think that, I think a kufr/shirk thought. And it makes me feel like this was all my doing and not shaytans' just because I started thinking about waswas and things to begin with. This really weird rebellious feeling comes over me and I have a thought of kufr or shirk and it passes away and I'm literally horror stricken by the evilness in these thoughts sometimes.
How can one be sure if something is waswas and not his/her own thought? I read that one needs to be a 100% sure that it is their own thought and not shaytan's waswas and the best way to make sure it is shaytan's waswas is when you know you dislike the thought and just want it to go away.
Thank you. That is really helpful. Sometimes the waswas is about sins like listening to music etc. I try to minimise sins as much as possible but I'm nowhere near perfect so I hope that Allah will forgive my sins and I try and repent and stop them as much as possible. However, there are some things that shaytan says to me, you are committing this sin and it will lead you straight to hell and i just think, well he doesn't know that and I am trying my best and hopefully one day I will be able to stop all sins but after all, we were created as sinful beings from what I understand, and we need to try our best and not go too extreme either way. What really works for me is to try and look at it logically. So if shaytan says, if you look at that, you go to hell. I know it might not be a good thing to look at so I try to stop but if I sometimes can't help it, I remind myself that shyatna doesnt know who goes to hell or heaven and that even though committing a sin isnt a good thing, but that as humans we are not perfect and we all have our flaws and our job is to try our best really. Cz I tell myself if i believe that thought, then I am believing that shaytan knows everything and that's obviously not true :S
I was reciting Quran and my mother helped me with my pronunciation and I had a thought that if she was wrong then she can go to .... I don't want to complete the sentence because I am so scared by it and I know I didn't mean it. I hope I didn't think it on purpose because I really really didn't mean it. I keep trying to apply logic to make sure this is waswas but after awhile, i keep thinking, this was probably me thinking this
You are confusing shaytaan's wiswas with your conscience /nafs lawama. When you get the thought that if you listen to music, etc you will be punished, then that is your conscience warning you and not shaytan. You should try your best not to sin. Shaytan will try to make you commit sins and not try to stop you from committing sins. For example it might say, "listen to music. Allah will forgive you." or it might say, "you have plenty of time to do good later. you can enjoy a bit now." but that is only shaytan decieving humans. because one never knows when one might die and the worst thing is to die a sinner. Also, later deeds depend on present ones. so one can't say that he/she will do good later. since it's possible, for example, for a person to think in old age, "i only have a little time before i die, i should try to enjoy my life as much as i can." it's also possible for the shaytan to tell a person who is near death, that you have done sins all your life, there is no way Allah will forgive you now. in this way, shaytan makes a person hopeless so the person won't repent.
the best thing to do is to try your best to do good deeds and stay away from sins now, and pray for Allah's help to keep us on the right path.
When you get the thought that if you listen to music, etc you will be punished, then that is your conscience warning you and not shaytan
Oh okay. That makes more sense then. It's just so extreme though, the warnings I get. Rather than it being about me being punished, it's like you'll go to hell and there's no hope. Quite often though, as I'm about to leave the house, I would think about taking my ipod and then just think no, i don't want to as it's a sin. It's just got a bit more extreme lately
I am having a really hard time with waswas and I am not sure if this is actually waswas. I was thinking to myself how Allah (swt) is always with us and how He is the only God and that He never leaves us and is always with us with everything we do. And all of a sudden, I had this sudden thought, 'what an invasion of privacy' and it is literally horrifying and causing such discomfort.
I believe that as humans, whenever we need help we are grateful that Allah is with us but when we want to commit sins, we feel all these bad things. It scares me that on some level I might believe in this thought and so I am having a difficult time brushing it off as waswas.
In my heart, I believe that Allah is always with us because He wants to guide those who wants to be guided, He is always there to answer our prayers, to grant us forgiveness. As slaves, we are in no position at all to judge or question our Creator and complain about 'invasion of privacy' at all. There is no such thing. Allah knows everything, and we can't hide anything from our Creator and this is when I keep getting thoughts such as 'no privacy' and I just really hate it and it is really horrifying me. I don't want to even think that I might believe such a thought at all. It scares me that I might believe it though because as soon as I try to brush it off with waswas, I keep thinking, yeah but if you think you might believe it then it's not waswas. How can I be sure that I don't believe in such an awful thought? Surely the fact that the thought provides me with such discomfort is proof enough?
That and the fact that I believe in my heart that the fact that Allah (swt) is always with us is a good thing. We never ever have to feel alone or scared or anything because we know our Creator is with us and everything will happen as He wills. Plus, its a good thing at times when you are tempted to commit a sin. Knowing that you can commit a sin but it will be something that will be viewed by Allah does help me try and reduce sins (not as much as I would like but still getting there insha Allah). If I genuinely believed it as an 'invasion of privacy' (subhaanAllah), then surely this means I also believe that I don't want to pray to such a God and the fact that I don't like missing prayers etc and feel so thankful for the many blessings He has bestowed upon us means that I don't believe this thought
Sorry it's really long. I was just getting worked up wondering if I did believe in such a horrible thought and everytime I try to justify it and say no, something else comes to me. I really want to think this is waswas and to be honest, it was a thought that came to unwanted, disliked. I wouldn't be worrying about is so much had it not been for the fact that I keep thinking, oh maybe on some level I did believe in it.
I apologise for the many threads I keep posting about the same subject. I have been dealing with waswas for awhile now and insha Allah, sometimes I feel like I am getting a bit better at it, but a lot of times I feel like I take one step in the right direction in terms of ignoring waswas and I find myself taking two back. I constantly keep thinking such awful thoughts and a lot of times I find myself thinking it on purpose and it really bothers me. Not cz I believe in it, but because I fear I am getting complacent with issues such as kufr by labelling every thought I get as waswas on the basis that I don't believe in it.
I am also in the midst of my kaffarah fasting and insha Allah, I am coming on to thirty days. However from my other thread about queries about breaking fasts, I feel like I am never going to finish my kaffarah fasting. I am coming on to thirty days, but around day 17 I might have tasted toothpaste in which case surely I have only fasted about 13 days or so and when you bear in mind the number of times I've started over, it is discouraging. Insha Allah, I want to keep striving forward and finishing it to the best of my ability, but waswas is making me so paranoid. Out of the days I've fasted, there have been very few days I can look back and be happy with how I fasted. Most days I get paranoid about one thing or another.
I also hate the waswas I get about my purity I constantly keep feeling like I need to make ghusls. The other night I had a dream which I don't know if it made me a junubi or not but due to second thoughts I was having (and due to the fact that I did logically think I should), I made a ghusl. Because I was fasting I made a ghusl during the day and left out rinsing out my mouth and nose too much. After I broke the fast, I rinsed out my mouth and nose and because I wasn't happy with leaving at that, I went and made a complete ghusl which I know I probably shouldn't have. And then later that evening, I found some dirt under my fingernails which were too short for me to cut and I was at the hospital at the time and fully intended to come home and wash under my nails and I completely forgot. I only remembered today, two days later after having prayed and fasted as well.
There's just so much more. I just feel like I shouldn't even be praying sometimes. Like I have no right to stand in front of God and ask for forgiveness (and even whilst doing that, getting such thoughts). And I KNOW I'm meant to be ignoring them and I am trying but it is becoming so difficult. I hate the feeling I get all the time that I am always doing something wrong and that I am the most sinful person ever and that how can I keep ignoring everything away as waswas.
Sorry it's a long post and major rant but I've just been feeling really down cz of waswas. I don't intend to break my fast or give up trying to complete my kaffarah or anything at all because I don't want to let shaythan win. It's just getting really hard sometimes . Insha Allah, I guess this is part of my test and hopefully I can remain patient because I do not intend to let shaythan win at all!
Insha Allah, I hope everyone is doing well and someone can offer me some support.
I have been getting really bad thoughts of shirk since last night. Last night I got this thought of something being important in front of many Gods. But the thing is, last night I think I thought that on purpose. Not because I believed in it, but I just remembered something that I heard someone say sometime back on TV I think. I was really worried that was shirk because I thought it on purpose but then I didn't believe in it so insha Allah I am hoping it's not shirk.
Then today, I was looking at apartments and stuff and came across a really good one and started getting more shirk thoughts which I kept brushing off but then, I could feel myself coming up with the same thought I had last night, the one with many gods. I could see myself going back to that thought and I hated it. I know it probably was waswas but by me thinking these thoughts (and last night even if it was on purpose which I feel really bad about ), that's not shirk right? I mean you can't commit such a huge sin by accident can you (I'm talking about major shirk here).
Also, I just tried to reason with myself and asked myself, Do you believe in Allah (swt) and that he in the one and only God? And then I asked myself, if something happens, is it because of Allah's will or because of so and so And again, I went back to that shirk thought. I told myself no, because there's no such thing as more than one God. By me thinking or asking myself such questions, that's not shirk either right? I mean I've answered my own question by saying no.
And then, I also keep getting thoughts of kufr which again I know are waswas. I was repeating to myself I am not a kaafir insha Allah and I could see myself thinking the opposite so I just said to myself out loud I am a kaafir insha Allah not' just to kind of answer back to the waswas. So it was sort of my way of saying it's fine to get this waswas thought of kufr saying I am one, but I am just going to put the word not at the end. I know it's really stupid but I can't really explain it. But I am worried that I said i am one insha Allah. I mean that's really stupid, cz surely if I disbelieved, why would I say insha Allah or worry about it either.
I would appreciate some help please.
Insha Allah, hopefully this wasn't shirk. May Allah bless you for taking the time to read this. Ameen.
i couldnt get ahold of a shaykh for some reason but i asked a brother and another brother who is a student of knowldge the first said
According to what I understood, the whisper of the soul is not counted on the person untill he says it or acts upon it and if he is seeking refuge from those ideas then that is a sign that he is not complacent about it
and the other said
Insha Allah this is fine and this is from shayton you need to jahid the shayton and not let him when over you if it is a thought then that is what it is and nothing more so long as you didnt accpet it or act on it nor say it meaning also he mentioned this hadeeth to me i cant believe i forgot about it
Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Some of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to him and said, ‘We find in our hearts things that none of us dares utter.’ He said, ‘Do you really find that?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘That is clear faith.’” (2/153
also
The Messenger of Allaah peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has warned us against some of these things. It says in the hadeeth: “The Shaytaan comes to any one of you and says, ‘Who created such and such? Who created such and such?’ until he says, ‘Who created your Lord?’ If that happens to you, seek refuge with Allaah and give up these thoughts.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3277
so in short sis fight the shayton how be ignoreing him and doing more good deed keeping your tounge moist with thikr Allah etc dua
"The Human being is an enemy to what he is ignorant of"
so long as you didnt accpet it or act on it nor say it meaning
Alhamdulillah, I have been getting many thoughts and waswas about shirk and kufr over the past two days. Insha Allah, I hate these thoughs and really want them to go away so that is a sign it's waswas and that I am not accepting it.
Brother, thank you so much for all the help you have been giving me (with regards to the fasting thread as well). May Allah bless you for your patience and help. Ameen.
Alhamdulillah, I have been getting many thoughts and waswas about shirk and kufr over the past two days. Insha Allah, I hate these thoughs and really want them to go away so that is a sign it's waswas and that I am not accepting it.
Brother, thank you so much for all the help you have been giving me (with regards to the fasting thread as well). May Allah bless you for your patience and help. Ameen.
Asalamu alaykum,
Just randomly kinda found this thread because I was searching up on waswasa too. I used to have very very bad waswasa, I still do sometimes, but I have been getting a lot LOT better with it alhamdulillah through following a practical approach of tazkiyah to better my religion (prophetic-path.com). There's a lot of reasons why this works - you naturally get more wisdom and strength when you follow a course like this and maintain contact with a mentor, and you get smarter as you do the course. You learn to be more and more practical with your religious improvements, it increases your beliefs in Allah's Mercy and Forgiveness, and so it also has an impact on your thinking. I recommend this to all Muslims. Pray Istikhara and make a decision about joining, it is all free and run by volunteers so it may take some time to get messages from your mentor, but you can start the course right away.
Back to waswasa - from my understanding there are actually many different thoughts you can get from the shaytan and I think he can also give you feelings and images. He might make you see someone frowning when they are actually not frowning. There are knowledgable people who know more. So it's important to separate yourself from your thoughts, even if they are intentional, it is okay. Even if all the evil thoughts of everyone in the entire world entered your mind, it wouldn't take you away from Allah at all, and you wouldn't be held accountable. What can also happen is your mind has formed many different associations and triggers, wires, connections, so things just automatically pop up, sometimes nonsensical things, sometimes evil things - it's normal actually. You yourself will keep retriggering yourself if you try too hard to control your thinking, and it will just be tiring and won't actually be beneficial in any way. There's something called scrupulousness, some people are more prone to it than others, and some people get really stuck being scrupulous - what it is is people resort to doing something, whatever "sense" or nonsense it might be, that temporarily gives relief from anxious feelings, so then they feel compelled to keep doing that action/thought or whatever it is - it is a brain trick, and you might not be able to feel that it's not real - it'll feel like a real threat --- can't trust your brain. Gotta trust God and His Messenger, peace be upon Him, and upon all the righteous believers. It's explicitly clear in our religion that evil thoughts of disbelief and kufr come to the believers and it's actually more proof that they believe. It's really just something all believers have to deal with. Some ofcourse have a way better handle on it. And some, like us, have an extremely hard time, especially if we're prone to scrupulousness/ocd kind of behaviors too. But everyone can lessen them and actually just learn to just be fine with them. You don't have to react to them at all with anger or feelings. You just recognize "nope, that aint my thought, don't care how it feels, aint me" - and walk away from reacting further. It's difficult, very difficult, but don't let this thing stop you from focusing on improving your religion/character in a practical manner. Don't focus on conquering this one particular thing head on. It'll come slowly to you while you advance in your practical approach to religion inshaAllah... Also you obviously believe. You don't just disbelieve because of thoughts/feelings that come and go, even if they are intentional and you think that you felt agreeable to it - that's either a feeling shaytan is behind or just some feeling/thought due to the workings of the mind's patterns, associations, fears, balancing out, etc. There's a lot going on up there and sometimes you just automatically have a thought or you feel like you should just think something, or it just feels like a relief to think something so then you feel like it came from you - and partly it did - but not the belief side of you. Your belief is about what you know you have accepted/believed and will affirm with your tongue if anyone asks you what you believe. Your thoughts and feelings and imaginations are not beliefs. They are just tools you could use to help yourself plan actions and they can be used for reflection to help with understanding things. Having perfect thoughts, feelings and imaginations are not the purpose/point of religion. However, however much you can use them positively, and with time and experience using them more and more positively, it can be useful for your actual goal - which is increasing the good actions as much as you can to please Allah, the good actions being following shariah, sunnah, increasing in dhikr, and showing compassion to the creation.
I hope that helped if you still need it. May Allah make it easy for you and all of us Ameen.
If thats annoying you is waswasa , Please human mind doesn't have control they think anything and its said The to this Ummah Allah will forgive anything that crosses there mind unless they don't say it or act upon it , and just ignore the thoughts and make sure not to stress on them , let your mind keep thinking of it and don't try to stop the thoughts , just concentrate on your work or anything your doing ..
Thank you brother. I am trying my best really and I hate knowing that my worrying is giving shaytan joy. I am in the middle of doing uni work and yet I stop and think about this every now and then. I hate how shaytan is making me think that they are my thoughts and not his and I hate how I can't be sure they are not my thoughts
Your worrying does not give shaytaan joy at all. By worrying you intend to get a few steps closer to Allah, because you know the bad thought might come from the Shaytaan and you are turning away from that...the Shaytaan will hate you for that.
He will never stop with this.
But remember this...every time you get a bad thought...and you turn away from it...it will be seen as a good act and you earn credits for it.
so keep doing what you are doing...you will get rewarded for this inshaallah.
Esha 101
Anything that comes to your mind or any thought that you do not like,is a waswasa.You get bad thoughts.I experienced it too.When I was new to Islam.I experienced it too.
Now you are saying that some thoughts come to your mind intentionally.
DOES NOT MATTER.
IT IS FORGIVEN.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO GO AGAINST ALLAH's ORDERS.ALLAH HAS SAID IT IS FORGIVEN.SO WHO ARE YOU?
What evidence is there that it is forgiven?
This Hadith. Al-Bukhaari (5269) and Muslim (127) also narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, will forgive my ummah for whatever crosses their minds so long as they do not act upon it or speak of it.”
If Shaytaan disturbs you again or these thoughts come to your mind,It is upon you to ignore them.
And if you cannot,they are forgiven.
No need to go further.Do not bow to iblees.And trust Allah.
Here a few answers which deal with this. https://islamqa.info/en/99324 https://islamqa.info/en/25778 https://islamqa.info/en/39684 https://islamqa.info/en/210592 https://islamqa.info/en/7491
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