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    I wondered what level in deen does a person have to be to perform Hajj ??

    Does a person need to know everything ? like history of islam/memorisation of surahs/quran etc ? or is intention to perform hajj enough ?

    are there any things we need to do to work up before going ?

    Is it better to perform Hajj when a person gets an opportunity ? as in financially able to/have no responsibilities/young or leave it till later on in life (which is what most people i know do) but then what if you never get chance ?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by nature View Post
    I intend to pay for my own, but i wondered whether it was ok for me to pay for any other relatives ? as in my mum etc ? she hasnt asked me, but i did intend to offer, however I had heard that only sons can pay and not daughters ? & i didnt want to offer something thats not allowed ? I dont know if this is just culture stuff ? also just out of interest how much does it roughly cost for a person to go on hajj, im aware prices can fluctuate/decrease.
    I haven't heard that it is not permissible to pay for someone else's hajj costs.
    in fact, in Indonesia it is quite common for someone rich to pay for his family or anyone else's hajj. My mother's first hajj was paid by her brother.
    However, if you are in doubt, you can always give the money to your mother as hadiah/hibah (gift), and then your mother can use the money to pay for her hajj.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by manaal View Post
    BTW, you should also have a Mahram who could accompany you on Hajj (father, brother, maternal or paternal uncle or grandfather, husband).

    I have a brother, who will be accompanying both of us.

    format_quote Originally Posted by S_87 View Post
    remember, theres nothing saying we will live till timorrow so putting off something so important till we're 'old' isnt such a great idea. Those who have been for hajj will confirm that once youve gone you will only want to go again and again and those who leave it whilst they have the chance are truly missing out
    My goal is next year.

    format_quote Originally Posted by manaal View Post
    If you are quite active I'm sure you won't find it that bad. It is quite hot between 10 a.m and 2 p.m. but not so bad after that. And since Hajj next year will take place from the 4th to the 9th of November, Insha Allah, the climate would be quite bearable.

    Im not worried about the heat or anything, i was just trying to think in my head what its going to be like, from my friends experience. & I walk a lot anyway, so i think i'll be alrite. My gran went a few times before she passed away, wen she was in her 60's, i think, being a frail lady, in a wheelchair for long journeys and using a stick for short distances, she managed to walk around without the help of anything whilst on hajj/umrah, & apparently theres a lot of places to climb there ?? well she managed to do that tooo, in fact she loved it there, she was always eager to go back, so if she managed to do then im sure i can.

    Every1 thats gone with the right intention, always comes back with a postive story, unfortuantely there are ones, that come back with different ones.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    I haven't heard that it is not permissible to pay for someone else's hajj costs. in fact, in Indonesia it is quite common for someone rich to pay for his family or anyone else's hajj. My mother's first hajj was paid by her brother. However, if you are in doubt, you can always give the money to your mother as hadiah/hibah (gift), and then your mother can use the money to pay for her hajj.

    Maybe this is just culture talk then ? I think shes too proud to take it as a gift, but i kinda already mentioned that i would pay for her, in a not too obvious way, but when it comes down to it, i dont think she'll accept it ? maybe i can find a way round this nearer the time, and just pay for her.
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    I have a brother, who will be accompanying both of us.

    My goal is next year.


    Alahamidulillah. But sis, you should always say Insha Allah.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by manaal View Post
    Alahamidulillah. But sis, you should always say Insha Allah.


    jazakhaallah for the reminder. Im still learning

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    According to the following Bukhari hadith, the black stone does not need to be kissed, and it is only done so since it was considered as a lawful and harmless practice of the messenger of Allah even though this was simply done for show at the time.

    Volume 2, Book 26, Number 677:Narrated Ibn Abbas.:In his Last Hajj the Prophet performed Tawaf of the Ka'ba riding a camel and pointed a bent-headed stick towards the Corner (Black Stone).

    http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/026.sbt.html


    Book 007, Number 2904:

    Ibn ‘Abbas (At lab be pleased with them) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and his Companions came to Mecca and the fever in Medina had weakened them. Thereupon the polytheists (of Mecca) said: There would come to you a people whom the fever has made weak and they have suffered severely from it. They sat in Hatim. Thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) commanded them to walk quickly ift three circuits and walk (in four) between the two corners. so that the polytheists should. see their endurance. The polytheists then said (to one anothery You were under the impression that fever had emaciated them. whereas they are stronger than so and so. Ibn Abbas said: He (the Holy Prophet) did not command them (the Muslims) to walk quickly in all the circuits out of kindness to them.


    Book 007, Number 2905:

    Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Allah. ‘s Messenger (peace be upon him) observed Sa’i and walked quickly round the House with a view to showing his strength to the polytheists.---------Book 26: Pilgrimmage (Hajj)

    Hadith 675 (Volume 2)

    Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

    http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/026.sbt.html

    Hadith no: 650

    Narrated / Authority Of: Abu Said Al-Khudri

    While the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was leading his Companions in prayer, he took off his sandals and laid them on his left side; so when the people saw this, they removed their sandals.

    When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) finished his prayer, he asked: What made you remove your sandals?

    They replied: We saw you remove your sandals, so we removed our sandals.

    The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then said:
    Gabriel came to me and informed me that there was filth in them. When any of you comes to the mosque, he should see; if he finds filth on his sandals, he should wipe it off and pray in them.

    http://mobile.ahadith.co.uk/chapter.php?page=10&cid=66



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    ----In light of the above ahadith, it's probably better to avoid kissing the stone as this does not appear to have been from amongst the manaasik shown to Ibrahim and was only a reactionary measure of the Prophet to an issue of jaahiliyyah that is no longer present - and it carries the risk of disease and harm. And Allah knows best.----

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    Book 007, Number 2900:

    Abu Tufail reported: I said to Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with them): Do you think that walking swiftly round the House in three circuits, and just walking in four circuits is the Sunnah (of the Holy Prophet), for your people say that it is Sunnah?

    Thereupon he (Ibn 'Abbas) said: They have told the truth and the lie (too).

    I said: What do your words" They have told the truth and the lie (too)" imply?

    Thereupon he said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to Mecca and the polytheists said that Muhammad and his Companions had emaciated and would, therefore, be unable to circumambulate the House; and they felt jealous of him (the Holy Prophet). (It was due to this) that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) commanded them to walk swiftly in three (circuits) and walk (normally) in four.

    I said to him: Inform me if it is Sunnah to observe Tawaf between al-Safa and al-Marwa while riding, for your people look upon it as Sunnah.

    He (Ibn Abbas) said: They have told the truth and the lie too.

    I said: What do your words" They have told the truth and the lie too, imply?

    He said: as Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had come to Mecca, there was such a large gathering of people around him that even the virgins had come out of their houses (to catch a glimpse of his face). and they were saying: He is Muhammad; He is Muhammad. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) (was so gentle and kind) that the people were not beaten back (to make way) in front of him. When there was a; throng (of people) around him, he rode (the she-camel) but walking and trotting is, however, better.


    Book 007, Number 2901:

    This hadith has been narrated on the authority of jurairi with the same chain of transmitters but with a slight variation of words (and this is) that he (the narrator) did not say:" They felt jealous of him. but said: The people of Mecca were jealous people."

    http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/007.smt.html

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    The Prophet knew their jealousy well, and he had even had to stop them from killing each other in an inter-tribal annihilation during jaahiliyyah when they had dipped their hands in blood vowing fight to the death for the honour of placing the black stone in it's place.

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    Book 007, Number 2902:

    Abu Tufail reported: I said to Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with them): People are of the view that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) moved quickly round the House and between al-Safa and al-Marwa, and (thus) it is Sunnah. He said: They told the truth and they told the lie.

    http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/007.smt.html

    Hadith no: 654
    Narrated / Authority Of: AishaI asked the Prophet whether the round wall (near Ka'ba) was part of the Ka'ba. The Prophet replied in the affirmative. I further said, "What is wrong with them, why have they not included it in the building of the Ka'ba?"
    He said, "Don't you see that your people (Quraish) ran short of money (so they could not include it inside the building of Ka'ba)?"
    I asked, "What about its gate? Why is it so high?"
    He replied, "Your people did this so as to admit into it whomever they liked and prevent whomever they liked. Were your people not close to the Pre-lslamic Period of ignorance (i.e. they have recently embraced Islam) and were I not afraid that they would dislike it, surely I would have included the (area of the) wall inside the building of the Ka'ba and I would have lowered its gate to the level of the ground."


    Hadith no: 655

    Narrated / Authority Of: Aisha
    Allah's Apostle said to me, "Were your people not close to the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, I would have demolished the Kaaba and would have rebuilt it on its original foundations laid by Abraham (for Quraish had curtailed its building), and I would have built a back door (too)."

    Hadith no: 656

    Narrated / Authority Of: Yazid bin Ruman from Urwa, Aisha said that the Prophet said to her, "O Aisha! Were your nation not close to the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance, I would have had the Ka'ba demolished and would have included in it the portion which had been left, and would have made it at a level with the ground and would have made two doors for it, one towards the east and the other towards the west, and then by doing this it would have been built on the foundations laid by Abraham."

    That was what urged Ibn-Az-Zubair to demolish the Ka'ba. Jazz said, "I saw Ibn-Az-Zubair when he demolished and rebuilt the Ka'ba and included in it a portion of Al-Hijr (the unroofed portion of Ka'ba which is at present in the form of a compound towards the north-west of the Ka'ba).
    I saw the original foundations of Abraham which were of stones resembling the humps of camels." So Jarir asked Yazid, "Where was the place of those stones?" Jazz said, "I will just now show it to you." So Jarir accompanied Yazid and entered Al-Hijr, and Jazz pointed to a place and said, "Here it is." Jarir said, "It appeared to me about six cubits from Al-Hijr or so."

    http://mobile.ahadith.co.uk/chapter.php?page=7&cid=112




    Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama and Marwan:
    (whose narrations attest each other) Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) set out at the time of Al-Hudaibiya (treaty), and when they proceeded for a distance, he said, "Khalid bin Al-Walid leading the cavalry of Quraish constituting the front of the army, is at a place called Al-Ghamim, so take the way on the right." By Allah, Khalid did not perceive the arrival of the Muslims till the dust arising from the march of the Muslim army reached him, and then he turned back hurriedly to inform Quraish. The Prophet (ﷺ) went on advancing till he reached the Thaniya (i.e. a mountainous way) through which one would go to them (i.e. people of Quraish).
    The she-camel of the Prophet (ﷺ) sat down. The people tried their best to cause the she-camel to get up but in vain, so they said, "Al-Qaswa' (i.e. the she-camel's name) has become stubborn! Al-Qaswa' has become stubborn!" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Al-Qaswa' has not become stubborn, for stubbornness is not her habit, but she was stopped by Him Who stopped the elephant." Then he said, "By the Name of Him in Whose Hands my soul is, if they (i.e. the Quraish infidels) ask me anything which will respect the ordinances of Allah, I will grant it to them." The Prophet (ﷺ) then rebuked the she-camel and she got up. The Prophet (ﷺ) changed his way till he dismounted at the farthest end of Al-Hudaibiya at a pit (i.e. well) containing a little water which the people used in small amounts, and in a short while the people used up all its water and complained to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ); of thirst.
    The Prophet (ﷺ) took an arrow out of his arrow-case and ordered them to put the arrow in that pit. By Allah, the water started and continued sprouting out till all the people quenched their thirst and returned with satisfaction. While they were still in that state, Budail bin Warqa-al- Khuza`i came with some persons from his tribe Khuza`a and they were the advisers of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) who would keep no secret from him and were from the people of Tihama. Budail said, "I left Ka`b bin Luai and 'Amir bin Luai residing at the profuse water of Al-Hudaibiya and they had milch camels (or their women and children) with them, and will wage war against you, and will prevent you from visiting the Ka`ba."
    Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "We have not come to fight anyone, but to perform the `Umra. No doubt, the war has weakened Quraish and they have suffered great losses, so if they wish, I will conclude a truce with them, during which they should refrain from interfering between me and the people (i.e. the 'Arab infidels other than Quraish), and if I have victory over those infidels, Quraish will have the option to embrace Islam as the other people do, if they wish; they will at least get strong enough to fight. But if they do not accept the truce, by Allah in Whose Hands my life is, I will fight with them defending my Cause till I get killed, but (I am sure) Allah will definitely make His Cause victorious." Budail said, "I will inform them of what you have said." So, he set off till he reached Quraish and said, "We have come from that man (i.e. Muhammad) whom we heard saying something which we will disclose to you if you should like." Some of the fools among Quraish shouted that they were not in need of this information, but the wiser among them said, "Relate what you heard him saying." Budail said, "I heard him saying so-and-so," relating what the Prophet (ﷺ) had told him.
    `Urwa bin Mas`ud got up and said, "O people! Aren't you the sons? They said, "Yes." He added, "Am I not the father?" They said, "Yes." He said, "Do you mistrust me?" They said, "No." He said, "Don't you know that I invited the people of `Ukaz for your help, and when they refused I brought my relatives and children and those who obeyed me (to help you)?" They said, "Yes." He said, "Well, this man (i.e. the Prophet) has offered you a reasonable proposal, you'd better accept it and allow me to meet him." They said, "You may meet him."
    So, he went to the Prophet (ﷺ) and started talking to him. The Prophet (ﷺ) told him almost the same as he had told Budail. Then `Urwa said, "O Muhammad! Won't you feel any scruple in extirpating your relations? Have you ever heard of anyone amongst the Arabs extirpating his relatives before you? On the other hand, if the reverse should happen, (nobody will aid you, for) by Allah, I do not see (with you) dignified people, but people from various tribes who would run away leaving you alone." Hearing that, Abu Bakr abused him and said, "Do you say we would run and leave the Prophet (ﷺ) alone?" `Urwa said, "Who is that man?" They said, "He is Abu Bakr." `Urwa said to Abu Bakr, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, were it not for the favor which you did to me and which I did not compensate, I would retort on you." `Urwa kept on talking to the Prophet (ﷺ) and seizing the Prophet's beard as he was talking while Al-Mughira bin Shu`ba was standing near the head of the Prophet, holding a sword and wearing a helmet. Whenever `Urwa stretched his hand towards the beard of the Prophet, Al-Mughira would hit his hand with the handle of the sword and say (to `Urwa), "Remove your hand from the beard of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)." `Urwa raised his head and asked, "Who is that?" The people said, "He is Al-Mughira bin Shu`ba." `Urwa said, "O treacherous! Am I not doing my best to prevent evil consequences of your treachery?" Before embracing Islam Al-Mughira was in the company of some people. He killed them and took their property and came (to Medina) to embrace Islam. The Prophet (ﷺ) said (to him, "As regards your Islam, I accept it, but as for the property I do not take anything of it. (As it was taken through treason). `Urwa then started looking at the Companions of the Prophet. By Allah, whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) spat, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e. the Prophet's companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them they would carry his orders immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water; and when they spoke to him, they would lower their voices and would not look at his face constantly out of respect.
    `Urwa returned to his people and said, "O people! By Allah, I have been to the kings and to Caesar, Khosrau and An- Najashi, yet I have never seen any of them respected by his courtiers as much as Muhammad is respected by his companions. By Allah, if he spat, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e. the Prophet's companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them, they would carry out his order immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water; and when they spoke, they would lower their voices and would not look at his face constantly out of respect." `Urwa added, "No doubt, he has presented to you a good reasonable offer, so please accept it."
    A man from the tribe of Bani Kinana said, "Allow me to go to him," and they allowed him, and when he approached the Prophet and his companions, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "He is so-and-so who belongs to the tribe that respects the Budn (i.e. camels of the sacrifice). So, bring the Budn in front of him." So, the Budn were brought before him and the people received him while they were reciting Talbiya. When he saw that scene, he said, "Glorified be Allah! It is not fair to prevent these people from visiting the Ka`ba." When he returned to his people, he said, 'I saw the Budn garlanded (with colored knotted ropes) and marked (with stabs on their backs). I do not think it is advisable to prevent them from visiting the Ka`ba."
    Another person called Mikraz bin Hafs got up and sought their permission to go to Muhammad, and they allowed him, too. When he approached the Muslims, the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Here is Mikraz and he is a vicious man." Mikraz started talking to the Prophet and as he was talking, Suhail bin `Amr came. When Suhail bin `Amr came, the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Now the matter has become easy." Suhail said to the Prophet "Please conclude a peace treaty with us." So, the Prophet (ﷺ) called the clerk and said to him, "Write: By the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful." Suhail said, "As for 'Beneficent,' by Allah, I do not know what it means. So write: By Your Name O Allah, as you used to write previously." The Muslims said, "By Allah, we will not write except: By the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Write: By Your Name O Allah." Then he dictated, "This is the peace treaty which Muhammad, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) has concluded." Suhail said, "By Allah, if we knew that you are Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) we would not prevent you from visiting the Ka`ba, and would not fight with you. So, write: "Muhammad bin `Abdullah." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "By Allah! I am Apostle of Allah even if you people do not believe me. Write: Muhammad bin `Abdullah." (Az-Zuhri said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) accepted all those things, as he had already said that he would accept everything they would demand if it respects the ordinance of Allah, (i.e. by letting him and his companions perform `Umra.)" The Prophet (ﷺ) said to Suhail, "On the condition that you allow us to visit the House (i.e. Ka`ba) so that we may perform Tawaf around it." Suhail said, "By Allah, we will not (allow you this year) so as not to give chance to the 'Arabs to say that we have yielded to you, but we will allow you next year." So, the Prophet (ﷺ) got that written. Then Suhail said, "We also stipulate that you should return to us whoever comes to you from us, even if he embraced your religion." The Muslims said, "Glorified be Allah! How will such a person be returned to the pagans after he has become a Muslim? While they were in this state Abu- Jandal bin Suhail bin `Amr came from the valley of Mecca staggering with his fetters and fell down amongst the Muslims. Suhail said, "O Muhammad! This is the very first term with which we make peace with you, i.e. you shall return Abu Jandal to me." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The peace treaty has not been written yet." Suhail said, "I will never allow you to keep him." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Yes, do." He said, "I won't do.: Mikraz said, "We allow you (to keep him)." Abu Jandal said, "O Muslims! Will I be returned to the pagans though I have come as a Muslim? Don't you see how much I have suffered?" (continued...) (continuing... 1): -3.891:... ...

    Abu Jandal had been tortured severely for the Cause of Allah. `Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "I went to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, 'Aren't you truly the Messenger of Allah?' The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'Yes, indeed.' I said, 'Isn't our Cause just and the cause of the enemy unjust?' He said, 'Yes.' I said, 'Then why should we be humble in our religion?' He said, 'I am Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I do not disobey Him, and He will make me victorious.' I said, 'Didn't you tell us that we would go to the Ka`ba and perform Tawaf around it?' He said, 'Yes, but did I tell you that we would visit the Ka`ba this year?' I said, 'No.' He said, 'So you will visit it and perform Tawaf around it?' " `Umar further said, "I went to Abu Bakr and said, 'O Abu Bakr! Isn't he truly Allah's Prophet?' He replied, 'Yes.' I said, 'Then why should we be humble in our religion?' He said, 'Indeed, he is Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he does not disobey his Lord, and He will make him victorious. Adhere to him as, by Allah, he is on the right.' I said, 'Was he not telling us that we would go to the Ka`ba and perform Tawaf around it?' He said, 'Yes, but did he tell you that you would go to the Ka`ba this year?' I said, 'No.' He said, "You will go to Ka`ba and perform Tawaf around it." (Az-Zuhri said, " `Umar said, 'I performed many good deeds as expiation for the improper questions I asked them.' ") When the writing of the peace treaty was concluded, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to his companions, "Get up and' slaughter your sacrifices and get your head shaved." By Allah none of them got up, and the Prophet repeated his order thrice. When none of them got up, he left them and went to Um Salama and told her of the people's attitudes towards him. Um Salama said, "O the Prophet (ﷺ) of Allah! Do you want your order to be carried out? Go out and don't say a word to anybody till you have slaughtered your sacrifice and call your barber to shave your head." So, the Prophet (ﷺ) went out and did not talk to anyone of them till he did that, i.e. slaughtered the sacrifice and called his barber who shaved his head. Seeing that, the companions of the Prophet (ﷺ) got up, slaughtered their sacrifices, and started shaving the heads of one another, and there was so much rush that there was a danger of killing each other. Then some believing women came (to the Prophet (ﷺ) ); and Allah revealed the following Divine Verses:-- "O you who believe, when the believing women come to you as emigrants examine them . . ." (60.10) `Umar then divorced two wives of his who were infidels. Later on Muawiya bin Abu Sufyan married one of them, and Safwan bin Umaiya married the other. When the Prophet (ﷺ) returned to Medina, Abu Basir, a new Muslim convert from Quraish came to him.
    The Infidels sent in his pursuit two men who said (to the Prophet (ﷺ) ), "Abide by the promise you gave us." So, the Prophet (ﷺ) handed him over to them. They took him out (of the City) till they reached Dhul-Hulaifa where they dismounted to eat some dates they had with them. Abu Basir said to one of them, "By Allah, O so-and-so, I see you have a fine sword." The other drew it out (of the scabbard) and said, "By Allah, it is very fine and I have tried it many times." Abu Basir said, "Let me have a look at it." When the other gave it to him, he hit him with it till he died, and his companion ran away till he came to Medina and entered the Mosque running. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saw him he said, "This man appears to have been frightened." When he reached the Prophet (ﷺ) he said, "My companion has been murdered and I would have been murdered too." Abu Basir came and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), by Allah, Allah has made you fulfill your obligations by your returning me to them (i.e. the Infidels), but Allah has saved me from them." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Woe to his mother! what excellent war kindler he would be, should he only have supporters." When Abu Basir heard that he understood that the Prophet (ﷺ) would return him to them again, so he set off till he reached the seashore. Abu Jandal bin Suhail got himself released from them (i.e. infidels) and joined Abu Basir. So, whenever a man from Quraish embraced Islam he would follow Abu Basir till they formed a strong group. By Allah, whenever they heard about a caravan of Quraish heading towards Sham, they stopped it and attacked and killed them (i.e. infidels) and took their properties. The people of Quraish sent a message to the Prophet (ﷺ) requesting him for the Sake of Allah and Kith and kin to send for (i.e. Abu Basir and his companions) promising that whoever (amongst them) came to the Prophet (ﷺ) would be secure. So the Prophet (ﷺ) sent for them (i.e. Abu Basir's companions) and Allah I revealed the following Divine Verses: "And it is He Who Has withheld their hands from you and your hands From them in the midst of Mecca, After He made you the victorious over them. ... the unbelievers had pride and haughtiness, in their hearts ... the pride and haughtiness of the time of ignorance." (48.24-26)
    And their pride and haughtiness was that they did not confess (write in the treaty) that he (i.e. Muhammad) was the Prophet of Allah and refused to write: "In the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the Most Merciful," and they (the mushriks) prevented them (the Muslims) from visiting the House (the Ka`bah).


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    the black stone does not need to be kissed
    Disagree.

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”
    Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

    If a person is unable to kiss the Stone, he should touch it with his hand or something else, then he can kiss the thing with which he touched it.

    It was narrated that Abu Tufayl (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performing Tawaaf around the House, touching the corner [where the Stone is] with a crooked staff which he had with him, then kissing the staff.
    (Narrated by Muslim, 1275)

    Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”
    (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959
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    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
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    Disagree.

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”
    Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

    If a person is unable to kiss the Stone, he should touch it with his hand or something else, then he can kiss the thing with which he touched it.

    It was narrated that Abu Tufayl (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performing Tawaaf around the House, touching the corner [where the Stone is] with a crooked staff which he had with him, then kissing the staff.
    (Narrated by Muslim, 1275)

    Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”
    (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959
    https://islamqa.info/en/1902?_e_pi_=...0%2C7988217475

    .........There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.'.........


    From: http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/026.sbt.html

    Has the false matrix not dissappeared before the truth?

    Think for yourself - Allah is Judge.

    Think about the jealousy of Allah over the jealousy and disapproval of nobody.


    كُلُّ نَفْسٍ بِمَا كَسَبَتْ رَهِينَةٌ
    Each soul is in pledge (to Allah) for it's deeds.

    Quran 74:38



    135 hadith found in 'The Book of Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq)' of Sahih Muslim.

    3571

    Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Sa'd b. Ubada (Allah be pleased with him) said: Messenger of Allah, if I were to find with my wife a man, should I not touch him before bringing four witnesses? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Yes. He said: By no means. By Him Who has sent you with the Truth, I would hasten with my sword to him before that. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Listen to what your chief says. He is jealous of his honour, I am more jealous than he (is) and God is more jealous than I.

    3572

    AI-Mughira b. Shu'ba (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Sa'd b. 'Ubada (Allah be pleased with him) said: If I were to see a man with my wife, I would have struck him with the sword, and not with the flat part (side) of it. When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) heard of that, he said: Are you surprised at Sa'd's jealousy of his honour? By Allah, I am more jealous of my honour than he, and Allah is more jealous than I. Because of His jealousy Allah has prohibited abomination, both open and secret And no person is more jealous of his honour than Allah, and no persons, is more fond of accepting an excuse than Allah, on account of which He has sent messengers, announcers of glad tidings and warners; and no one is more fond of praise than Allah on account of which Allah has promised Paradise.

    https://www.searchtruth.com/book_dis...=0&number=3571
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    .........There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.'.........


    From: http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/026.sbt.html


    Think for yourself - Allah is Judge.

    Think about the jealousy of Allah over the jealousy and disapproval of nobody.


    كُلُّ نَفْسٍ بِمَا كَسَبَتْ رَهِينَةٌ
    Each soul is in pledge (to Allah) for it's deeds.

    Quran 74:38
    Ramal is a different issue and kissing the black stone is a different issue.

    I don't think if any Muslim likes to be deprived of the blessings related to it as mentioned in ahadith quoted in previous post.

    Like it or not, Choice is yours
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    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Ramal is a different issue and kissing the black stone is a different issue.

    I don't think if any Muslim likes to be deprived of the blessings related to it as mentioned in ahadith quoted in previous post.

    Like it or not, Choice is yours
    And you should not choose except as Allah chooses - the Rabb of all that exists.
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    And you should not choose except as Allah chooses - the Rabb of all that exists.
    What did Allah swt choose for us in this issue (kissing the black stone)...?
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    realistically it is quite difficult to make to the black stone during the hajj, maybe on umra you have a chance, but it is so crowded there during the hajj season that most pilgrims has no physical chance to reach there, neither kissing nor touching it, you have to be very presistent or "pushy" (the later which should be avoided ofc, don't cause unpleasantness or hurt to the fellow pilgrims), so in practice mostly you can just point to its direction.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
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    Disagree.

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”
    Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

    If a person is unable to kiss the Stone, he should touch it with his hand or something else, then he can kiss the thing with which he touched it.

    It was narrated that Abu Tufayl (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performing Tawaaf around the House, touching the corner [where the Stone is] with a crooked staff which he had with him, then kissing the staff.
    (Narrated by Muslim, 1275)

    Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins

    It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”
    (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959
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    Everything will be given sight, hearing, and speech on that day:

    حَتَّىٰ إِذَا مَا جَاءُوهَا شَهِدَ عَلَيْهِمْ سَمْعُهُمْ وَأَبْصَارُهُمْ وَجُلُودُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ

    M. M. Pickthall
    Till, when they reach it, their ears and their eyes and their skins testify against them as to what they used to do. zoom

    Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985)
    At length, when they reach the (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.


    وَقَالُوا لِجُلُودِهِمْ لِمَ شَهِدتُّمْ عَلَيْنَا قَالُوا أَنطَقَنَا اللَّهُ الَّذِي أَنطَقَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ وَهُوَ خَلَقَكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ

    M. M. Pickthall
    And they say unto their skins: Why testify ye against us? They say: Allah hath given us speech Who giveth speech to all things, and Who created you at the first, and unto Whom ye are returned.

    Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985)
    They will say to their skins: "Why bear ye witness against us?" They will say: "Allah hath given us speech,- (He) Who giveth speech to everything: He created you for the first time, and unto Him were ye to return.

    وَمَا كُنتُمْ تَسْتَتِرُونَ أَن يَشْهَدَ عَلَيْكُمْ سَمْعُكُمْ وَلَا أَبْصَارُكُمْ وَلَا جُلُودُكُمْ وَلَٰكِن ظَنَنتُمْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَعْلَمُ كَثِيرًا مِّمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ

    M. M. Pickthall
    Ye did not hide yourselves lest your ears and your eyes and your skins should testify against you, but ye deemed that Allah knew not much of what ye did.

    Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985)
    "Ye did not seek to hide yourselves, lest your hearing, your sight, and your skins should bear witness against you! But ye did think that Allah knew not many of the things that ye used to do!


    Quran, Chapter 41, Verses 20-23


    It was a red herring set up for you like the changing of the Qiblah so that Allah could test you.

    Search: cornerstone which the builders rejected (laa ilaaha illa Allah) and know that atonement does not come from kissing a stone or crucifying prophets - but it comes from the righteous intentions of a person in submission and obedience to Allah along with the righteous conduct of a person before Allah - if you know that it can neither profit nor harm, there is no purpose in clamouring and fighting each other to kiss it - especially now that there are millions of people visiting, and that women can't reach anywhere near it without being squeezed by multiple men - therefore when put on the balance of good and bad, it does actually have harms attached to it.

    Remember what Ibraheem asked his father about harm and benefit.

    There is always a reason for an action of any prophet and also for it's abrogation by Allah

    Consider whether it is best to simply keep it as what it originally was, a cornerstone of the Ka'bah - the ground level (which is door level) of which has been raised to a height different to and above what it orginally was when laid by Ibrahim


    See also:

    The cornerstone (or foundation stone or setting stone) is the first stone set in the construction of a masonry foundation, important since all other stones will be set in reference to this stone, thus determining the position of the entire structure.

    Over time a cornerstone became a ceremonial masonry stone, or replica, set in a prominent location on the outside of a building, with an inscription on the stone indicating the construction dates of the building and the names of architect, builder, and other significant individuals. The rite of laying a cornerstone is an important cultural component of eastern architecture and metaphorically in sacred architecture generally.

    Some cornerstones include time capsules from, or engravings commemorating, the time a particular building was built.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone






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    I don't think Deen has set any level to perform Hajj. As per my information it is your intention what Allah loves but yes you can consult about the financial responsibilities.
    I do want an answer on that with references.
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