He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him [59:23]
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
The `Ulamaa have Ikhtilaaf (differences of opinion) regarding it. Some, like Imaam al-Qurtubi, believe that it is possible and even permissible. Others, like Imaam al-Maawardi, deny it outright. Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal believed it to be possible, but said it is Haraam (for a human to marry a Jinn). Imaam Is-haaq ibn Raahawayh, Imaam Maalik, Imaam Hasan al-Basri and others, regarded it as Makrooh.
So, there were `Ulamaa from the Salaf who said it is possible for it to happen, and there were others who denied it. The `Ulamaa have put it under that field of knowledge which ما لا يضر جهله "there is no harm in not knowing it."
{"And from His Signs is that He created for you wives from yourselves, so that you may find tranquility in them, and He placed between you love and mercy. Indeed, therein are Signs for people who reflect."** [Soorah ar-Room, 30:21]
There can only be tranquility, love and mercy in a Nikaah (marriage) between a man and a woman; not a man and another man, nor a man and a Jinn, or an animal.
Respected Shiekh ,
i read in an article that wife of Prophet Sulaiman pbuh was daughter of a jinn mother . So , she was also considered as Jinn or had some characteristics of Jinn . Is that true ?
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
i read in an article that wife of Prophet Sulaiman pbuh was daughter of a jinn mother . So , she was also considered as Jinn or had some characteristics of Jinn . Is that true ?
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
Yes, sister. That is mentioned by Imaam al-Qurtubi رحمة الله عليه in his Tafseer. He says that the mother of Bilqees was a Jinn by the name of Bal`amah bint Saysaan. He also mentions that the name of her father was as-Sarh, and in this alternate narration he gives, he names the mother of Bilqees as "Rayhaanah bint as-Sakn". Allaah Ta`aalaa knows best what her name truly was. In the Kitaab, "Ghamzu `Uyoonil Basaa'ir", the name of the father of Bilqees is given as "as-Sarh ibn al-Hadaahud". Imaam ibn Katheer in al-Bidaayah wan-Nihaayah gives the name of her father as "as-Sayrah", and her name as "Bilqees bint as-Sayrah".
However, she did not look like a Jinn. It is mentioned in Tafseer ibn Katheer, under the Tafseer of these Aayaat:
{"So when she came, it was said (to her): "Is your throne like this?" She said: "(It is) as though it were the very same." And [Sulaymaan said]: "Knowledge was bestowed on us before her, and we were submitted to Allaah (in Islaam as Muslims before her)."
And that which she used to worship besides Allah has prevented her (from Islaam), for she was of a disbelieving people.
It was said to her: "Enter As-Sarh" [(a glass surface with water underneath it) or a palace], but when she saw it, she thought it was a pool, and she (tucked up her clothes) uncovering her legs, Sulaymaan said: "Verily, it is Sarh [(a glass surface with water underneath it) or a palace] paved smooth with slab of glass." She said: "My Rabb! Verily, I have wronged myself, and I submit (in Islaam) together with Sulaymaan, to Allaah, Rabb-ul-`Aalameen."** [Soorah an-Naml, 27:42, 43, 44]
The reason Nabi Sulaymaan عليه السلام had that Sarh made by the Jinn was because he had received rumours that Bilqees, who he intended to marry, had extremely hairy legs, and feet which looked like the back feet of an animal. He wanted to verify if this was true, so he had the Sarh built. When she uncovered her shins (thinking she was stepping into water), he saw that what the rumour-mongers were saying about her was false; her feet were absolutely fine and beautiful, but she had some hairiness on her legs. He asked her if she uses a razor, but she replied "I am unable to do that." Sulaymaan عليه السلام told the Jinn to make something else for her to use instead, to remove the hair, so they made a paste called "an-Noorah" (composed of calcium and arsenic). This paste would then simply be applied to the legs, left on for a short while and thereafter washed off, and the hair would come off with it. So Imaam ibn Katheer mentions that she was the first woman ever to use such a method for the removal of hair.
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I understand that Allah swt sent His Prophets (as) to both mankind and jinn, to lead them to Islam. But were all of the Prophets (I've heard there were many tens of thousands of them) humans? Would this be because jinn can see and hear humans but not the other way around?
May Allah swt reward you abundantly for clarifying so many things, jazakAllah khayr.
I understand that Allah swt sent His Prophets (as) to both mankind and jinn, to lead them to Islam. But were all of the Prophets (I've heard there were many tens of thousands of them) humans? Would this be because jinn can see and hear humans but not the other way around?
May Allah swt reward you abundantly for clarifying so many things, jazakAllah khayr.
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
آمين يا رب العالمين
Jazaakallaah for your Du`aas, respected sister.
There is Ikhtilaaf (differences of opinion) among the `Ulamaa as to whether the Jinn had Ambiyaa of their own, or whether Allaah Ta`aalaa only made Ambiyaa from the human beings. The stronger view is that only human beings were Ambiyaa, as proved from the following Aayaat of the Qur'aan:
{"And (remember) when We sent towards you (O Nabi صلى الله عليه وسلم) Nafaran (a group of three to ten) of the Jinn, (quietly) listening to the Qur'aan. When they stood in the presence thereof, they said: "Listen in silence!" And when it was finished, they returned to their people as warners.
They said: "O our people! Verily! We have heard a Kitaab (this Qur'aan) sent down after Moosaa, confirming what came before it; it guides to the truth and to a Straight Path (i.e. Islaam).
O our people! Respond (with obedience) to the Caller of Allaah (i.e. Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم), and believe in him (i.e. believe in that which he has brought from Allaah, and follow him). He (Allaah) will forgive you of your sins, and will save you from a painful torment (i.e. Jahannam).
And whosoever does not respond to the Caller of Allaah, he cannot escape on earth, and there will be no Awliyaa (protectors) for him besides Allaah (from Allaah's Punishment). Those are in manifest error."** [Soorah al-Ahqaaf, 46:29, 30, 31, 32]
In these Aayaat, the Jinn mention Moosaa عليه السلام; they allude to the Tawraah; they mention the Qur'aan; they mention Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم; they call their people to follow him.
Based on that, the majority of the `Ulamaa are of the view that there were only Ambiyaa from the human beings, and not from Jinn. A few `Ulamaa, though, like Imaam ibn Hazm azh-Zhaahiri, believed that the Jinn had their own Ambiyaa.
والله تعالى أعلم
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I think if you meet Jin or connect with them if this possible ... it will lead you to the psychological problem
Because the are hide and they can imagine to you a things and whisper to you
So be careful ..
And Allah knows best
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Allaah Ta`aalaa does not have or need any "little helpers". Such a belief is Shirk. The Malaa'ikah are there to worship Allaah Ta`aalaa. Allaah Ta`aalaa is free from having any helpers.
By the same token Allah does not need angels there to worship Him either. He is free from all needs. What I meant was that they were created as His soldiers to do his bidding without free will whereas the jinns and inns were created with free will and thus accountability.
By the same token Allah does not need angels there to worship Him either. He is free from all needs. What I meant was that they were created as His soldiers to do his bidding without free will whereas the jinns and inns were created with free will and thus accountability.
Yes, akhi, but certain words give off a wrong connotation, and so we should avoid using them when speaking about Allaah Ta`aalaa. All creation are only the slaves of Allaah Subhaanahu wa Ta`aalaa, and He is not in need of any of them; they are in need of Him.
The term "little helpers" brings to mind Santa Claus and the elves working with him to get presents delivered, called "Santa's Helpers". So, we want to avoid terms like that which give that kind of image.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Allaah Ta`aalaa says:
لقد خلقنا الإنسان في أحسن تقويم
{"We have created Insaan in the best of stature (moulds)."** [Soorah at-Teen, 95:4]
So, the Jinn won't look better.
Someone might argue that, "Jinns can take the shape of any human they want. So they can look like whatever you want them to look."
Still, that wouldn't be original. And also, you'd have a half-Jinn child.
Imaam al-Qurtubi mentions in his Tafseer that the mother of Bilqees, the Queen of Sheba in the time of Sulaymaan عليه السلام, was a Jinn. He also mentions that it is technically permissible for a human and Jinn to get married.
Definitely not advisable though, even if you were to somehow find a Jinn bride. There wouldn't be compatibility. And their true form is said to be very ugly looking, so your Jinn bride would always have to be taking on the form of some human being.
Imam al Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir (RA) both cited the story of Bilqis being half jinn - but they did not 100% sponsor this opinion - both these ulema were comparative theologians of the Abrahamic traditions - and in Ibn Kathir's qisas, I hav read these comparisons and have sided with the majority opinion for the following reasons:
Ibn Kathir mentions that Bilqis' father was a great tyrant king of Yemen and he decided to marry most of the Yemeni women lol (this is very far fetched) and then he decided to marry a female Jinn when he couldn't find other human women...
...Al Qurtubi mentions a variant of this story - he claims that Bilqis' grandfather - Hudahud - was a great King and had 40 sons, one of whom was named Sirah, but Sirah was a conceited man and he didn't consider any human woman to be good enough for him and so he decided to marry a female Jinn...
Both, Ibn Kathir and Al Qurtubi are full of extra extra-Quranic content in their books and I highly doubt that we as Muslims can accept such sources as those which do not have any Quranic grounding nor in hadeeth of Prophet Muhammad pbuh - but instead stem from the Judeo-Christian exploitation of heretical opinions which sponsor the lies inside of Genesis 1 (cue the angels sleeping with human women narrative which is impossible and by that standard jinn too). And if there is anything further from the truth of hadeeth and Quran then it is to be found in the Ethiopian narrative of the Jews of that land who claimed Bilqis was 1) Ethiopian and 2) she had hooved feet...
Now, there are two reasons for the cloven hooves nonsense:
1) she was (lol) a jinn/human hybrid
2) from the stories of the ethiopian Jews: Bilqis' mother was hungry one day and decided to kill a goat and cook then eat it and this is why Bilqis was born with a cloven hoof - (note in this version she only has one goats foot and the other is human)...
... I also read that this is the reason why Sulaiman AS asked her to walk across the pool layered with glass - so when she tucks up her skirt so it doesn't get wet - her feet will be exposed to Sulaiman and he could see for himself whether her feet were cloven hoofed or normal human feet lol... I ask, was this really necessary when Sulaiman Pbuh could have asked any of his jinn slaves to inform him whether she had cloven hoofed feet? Do you follow me?
Are you now confused as to why Sulaiman pbuh asked Bilqis to walk across the pool? are you really wondering? can you not entertain the most logical precept for why Sulaiman pbuh would ask her to walk across the pool?
I'll tell you why - she just arrived at Jerusalem with the intention of accepting Islam, but it is not known at this point to Sulaiman pbuh whether her intention is purely pragmatic for her kingdom or whether she truly had come to imaan - and so - in order for Sulaiman pbuh to know the difference - he asked her to walk across something that cannot ever be walked across - a pool of water, if she did so without question then her faith would be justified but if she faltered then it would prove she is hesitant.
According to Ethiopian traditional myth, Sheba or Saba was located in Ethiopia known as Shoa in ancient times situated in the same region as modern day Addis Ababa. They claim that the Queen of Sheba belonged to this place and her name was Makeda. This is definitely a Jewish tale and I won't be surprised if it originated in the Jewish quarters of Ethiopia in modern times. They have concocted a very dirty myth for which Allah Almighty will punish the low-life scums responsible for it, In sha Allah. The story claims that Makeda with her entourage visited Jerusalem and stayed there for some months when Solomon fell in love with her. Soon before she left Jerusalem, Sulaiman pbuh invited her to stay in his castle. She said she would stay only if Sulaiman pbuh didn't make any romantic advances. Sulaiman pbuh agreed on the condition that only if she didn't take anything from the castle that was a part of his property. Sulaiman pbuh ordered a spicy meal to be cooked for dinner that evening and also had a glass of water placed by Makeda's bedside in her room. After the spicy meal Makeda awoke thirsty in the middle of the night and drank the water. Solomon soon came to the room and told her she had broken her promise by taking something that belonged to him - the glass of water. Consequently they spent the night together, and after Makeda returned to Ethiopia she gave birth to Solomon's "son." This false and dirty tale is further stretched into claiming that this so-called illegitimate son of Makeda later became Ethiopia's emperor and founder of what the Ethiopians claim the "Solomonid dynasty" which continued all the way from the prehistoric era until Emperor Haile Selassie was deposed in 1974. Absolute Nonsense. This lie is even more far-fetched than the one hatched by the Jordanian "royal" family claiming themselves to be the descendents of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). Substance-wise as well as ethnically, this vile story is one hundred percent un-Quranic and false. Slandering anyone is a thoroughly un-Quranic stance. To slander a Prophet and messenger of Allah, as has been done by the shameless mischief mongers responsible for constructing this tale would undoubtedly carry dire consequences in the Hereafter in sha Allah...
... Now for a bit of common sense.
Can a cat get a dog pregnant? These two animals are in the physical realm, and we see them - they are not Jinn... They are from the animal Kingdom and share DNA with us... can a male human impregnate a female camel or vice versa? NO.
The sperm is incompatible and gets destroyed in the incompatible womb the host body. And while you all know this - you want to entertain ideas that Humans have bred with Jinn? and invisible species? LOL.
Honestly speaking - this is no different to David Icke claiming that the worlds leaders are half human and half reptillian alien breeds lol. And you guys believe something very similar when it comes to the dodgy narrative of the Jews which you throw out here as if they have some grounding in Quran and Ahadeeth.
These fantastical tales suit the Jewish mysticism schools of Kabbalah (esoteric pracitces of communing with Jinn so they can work their inequities on this planet) as a means for their justifying their evil intentions as honourable and even legitimised by their prophet Sulaiman pbuh... but ye see not the depth of their deceptions and instead, repeat with no knowledge of why these stories have entered our Islamic circles - yet will repeat them anyway?
It's deplorable and I require an explanation from you.
Scimi
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Reason: better language
`Ulamaa of the past like Imaam ibn Katheer and others do occasionally quote from what is known as the "Israeli Waaqi'ahs" (Israeli Stories). Note the word "occasionally". When they Do quote, it is not quoted as a fact, nor to establish anything in Islaam. They quote their narrations - those which have some wisdom in them - for the purpose of taking lesson or admonition. Imaam Maalik said:
المراد جواز التحدث عنهم بما كان من أمر حسن، أما ما علم كذبه فلا
"It is permissible to narrate from them when it pertains to some good matter. As for when it is known that the (particular narration) is false, then no."
Everything related to Deen is taken from Qur'aan and Sunnah. Waaqi`aat Israa'eeliyyah are quoted when some wisdom, or benefit, or lesson can be learnt therefrom; not as a Daleel in and of itself.
Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said:
حدثوا عن بني إسرائيل ولا حرج
"Narrate from Bani Israa'eel, wa laa haraj." The `Ulamaa have two different opinions as to the meaning of this phrase, "wa laa haraj", because from a linguistic aspect, both are valid:
1) "Narrate from Bani Israa'eel, wa laa haraj (and there is no harm in doing so)."
2) "Narrate from Bani Israa'eel, wa laa haraj (while there is no harm, i.e. as long as it does not go against the Qur'aan and the Sunnah)."
That is because the letter و 'wa' - in terms of Nahw (grammar) - can be used here either as Waaw-ul-Isti'naaf (the Waaw of commencing a new sentence or phrase), or Waaw Haaliyyah (the conditional Waaw).
Obviously, we will take it that "narrate from them as long as it is not in conflict with what has been mentioned in the Qur'aan and the Sunnah."
Now then,
The issue of the mother of Bilqees: the `Ulamaa like Imaam ibn Katheer and others have mentioned that she may have been from the Jinn. This isn't simply taken from the Jews; there is a Hadeeth on the topic. The following Hadeeth appears in Durr-ul-Manthoor:
أخرج ابن جرير وأبو الشيخ في العظمة وابن مردويه وابن عساكر عن أبي هريرة قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: " إحدى أبوي بلقيس كان جنّيًا
Imaam ibn Jareer and Abu-sh Shaykh narrate in al-`Azhamah from ibn Marduwayh, from ibn `Asaakir, from Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah رضي الله عنه who said, "Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, "One of the parents of Bilqees was a Jinn."
So there is a narration on the topic.
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Can a cat get a dog pregnant? These two animals are in the physical realm, and we see them - they are not Jinn... They are from the animal Kingdom and share DNA with us... can a male human impregnate a female camel or vice versa? NO.
The sperm is incompatible and gets destroyed in the incompatible womb the host body. And while you all know this - you want to entertain ideas that Humans have bred with Jinn? and invisible species? LOL.
You're forgetting that a Jinn can take on the exact appearance (body) of a human being. A solid female form including a womb, if they want. I mentioned in another place the narration of a Sahaabi wrestling with a Shaytaan and smashing his face. So, the Jinniyyah (female Jinn) can take on the form of a human female when she and her human husband are together.
Remember that the Jinn are from the realm of the Ghayb (unseen). It is not known what all they are capable or incapable of doing. As such, a person cannot deny it simply because it doesn't make sense to him or seem plausible to him. Have you been with a female Jinn, to know with such certainty that she can't take on the form of a human being and fall pregnant with a child?
In any case, Allaah Ta`aalaa knows best whether it is possible or not. The `Ulamaa do not give it much attention because it's not something that affects us. Bilqees lived thousands of years ago, and since that time, we don't know of any authentic narrations of a human being and a Jinn marrying and having children.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
You're forgetting that a Jinn can take on the exact appearance (body) of a human being. A solid female form including a womb, if they want. I mentioned in another place the narration of a Sahaabi wrestling with a Shaytaan and smashing his face. So, the Jinniyyah (female Jinn) can take on the form of a human female when she and her human husband are together.
Remember that the Jinn are from the realm of the Ghayb (unseen). It is not known what all they are capable or incapable of doing. As such, a person cannot deny it simply because it doesn't make sense to him or seem plausible to him. Have you been with a female Jinn, to know with such certainty that she can't take on the form of a human being and fall pregnant with a child?
In any case, Allaah Ta`aalaa knows best whether it is possible or not. The `Ulamaa do not give it much attention because it's not something that affects us. Bilqees lived thousands of years ago, and since that time, we don't know of any authentic narrations of a human being and a Jinn marrying and having children.
الله أعلم
Allahu alam indeed - it would have helped if you had made this clear in your initial post.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
You're forgetting that a Jinn can take on the exact appearance (body) of a human being. A solid female form including a womb, if they want. I mentioned in another place the narration of a Sahaabi wrestling with a Shaytaan and smashing his face. So, the Jinniyyah (female Jinn) can take on the form of a human female when she and her human husband are together.
Remember that the Jinn are from the realm of the Ghayb (unseen). It is not known what all they are capable or incapable of doing. As such, a person cannot deny it simply because it doesn't make sense to him or seem plausible to him. Have you been with a female Jinn, to know with such certainty that she can't take on the form of a human being and fall pregnant with a child?
In any case, Allaah Ta`aalaa knows best whether it is possible or not. The `Ulamaa do not give it much attention because it's not something that affects us. Bilqees lived thousands of years ago, and since that time, we don't know of any authentic narrations of a human being and a Jinn marrying and having children.
الله أعلم
Assalamualaikum, shaykh.
One aleem in my place said that marriage between human and jinn is not a normal marriage which husband and wife live together and have child. But actually is just a supernatural agreement between two creatures from different world with purpose, this human get supernatural help. I agree with him.
Jinn can take human form when appear visually. But actually this jinn is not really turn into human. The jinn that I saw few years ago on my houseyard look like a human. I thought he was human, until he disappeared into the wall. Jinn cannot really turn into solid body like human, although some jinn have ability to move something that make them look like have solid body. But jinn can take a human as medium, and can fight human as human. However it make this jinn can be punched by human. If this jinn does not take human body as medium, then when the human punch him, he will turn into smoke and cannot be punched.
Due to physical form difference, marriage between ordinary human (not prophet like Sulaiman alayhi salam) and jinn which they have child cannot be happen. Female jinn can appear in form of human, but it doesn’t mean she has human womb inside. Stories of marriage between human and jin which they have child is just myth that originally come from genetic disabilities cases which a baby born with physical appearance that abnormal. People of the past didn’t know it, and they thought this baby was the jinn baby.
And that myth added by other myths that created by purpose. In example, the myth which male jinn kidnap human girl.This is a myth that created by parents with purpose to prevent their daughters go outside without supervision by the family. Not different that myth that jinn kidnap children. This is a myth that created with purpose to prevent children go to places where they might get accident.
One aleem in my place said that marriage between human and jinn is not a normal marriage which husband and wife live together and have child. But actually is just a supernatural agreement between two creatures from different world with purpose, this human get supernatural help. I agree with him.
Does the `Aalim have Daleel (evidence) from Qur'aan and Sunnah to prove that?
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
Jinn can take human form when appear visually. But actually this jinn is not really turn into human. The jinn that I saw few years ago on my houseyard look like a human. I thought he was human, until he disappeared into the wall. Jinn cannot really turn into solid body like human, although some jinn have ability to move something that make them look like have solid body. But jinn can take a human as medium, and can fight human as human. However it make this jinn can be punched by human. If this jinn does not take human body as medium, then when the human punch him, he will turn into smoke and cannot be punched.
In the narration of Hadhrat `Ammaar ibn Yaasir رضي الله عنه wrestling with a Jinn, the Jinn was taking on the form of a human being; he was not using a body as a medium. Yet, Hadhrat `Ammaar ibn Yaasir رضي الله عنه was able to smash his face up. Maybe the Jinn became so afraid he forgot he could turn into smoke? I highly doubt that. The Jinn are created from a smokeless fire (Naar-is-Samoom), as mentioned in the Qur'aan. They don't have any connection in and of themselves with smoke. Thinking a Jinn will turn into smoke when you hit him is like thinking a human being will turn into sand when he gets punched. Human beings are created from sand, aren't they?
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
Due to physical form difference, marriage between ordinary human (not prophet like Sulaiman alayhi salam) and jinn which they have child cannot be happen.
The Ambiyaa are normal human beings like everyone else. Allaah Ta`aalaa commands Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم in the Qur'aan to tell the people:
إنما أنا بشر مثلكم
{"I am only a man like you."** [Soorah al-Kahf.]
It is only the Barelvi group which has the `Aqeedah (belief) that the Ambiyaa were not human beings like other people.
Nabi Sulaymaan عليه السلام was a human being, just like all of the Ambiyaa were human beings. They were not Malaa'ikah or a different creation.
والله تعالى أعلم
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format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
The following Hadeeth appears in Durr-ul-Manthoor:
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
أخرج ابن جرير وأبو الشيخ في العظمة وابن مردويه وابن عساكر عن أبي هريرة قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: " إحدى أبوي بلقيس كان جنّيًا
Imaam ibn Jareer and Abu-sh Shaykh narrate in al-`Azhamah from ibn Marduwayh, from ibn `Asaakir, from Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah رضي الله عنه who said, "Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, "One of the parents of Bilqees was a Jinn."
So there is a narration on the topic.
But...
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Bilqees lived thousands of years ago, and since that time, we don't know of any authentic narrations of a human being and a Jinn marrying and having children.
My turn:
Narrated: Salama
I heard the Prophet saying, "Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire."
Bukhari 3/109
These narratives of Bilqees' mother being Jinn are graded what? Are the weak? fabricated? etc? Is there a dodgy chain? because you don't seem to comfortable with this opinion regarding the Queen of Sheba's mother being a Jinn.
I heard the Prophet saying, "Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire."
Bukhari 3/109
These narratives of Bilqees' mother being Jinn are graded what? Are the weak? fabricated? etc? Is there a dodgy chain? because you don't seem to comfortable with this opinion regarding the Queen of Sheba's mother being a Jinn.
Scimi
? Where is the confusion? I mentioned that the mother of Bilqees was said to be from the Jinn, and that since that time, i.e. since the time of Bilqees, we don't know of any authentic narrations of a human being and a Jinn getting married and having children.
As for the narration itself, of the mother of Bilqees being from the Jinn: some of the Muhadditheen have graded the Isnaad (chain of narrators) as "Dha`eef" (weak). However, Imaam an-Nawawi has mentioned that there is Ijmaa` (consensus of opinion) that "Dha`eef Ahaadeeth" (Ahaadeeth with a Dha`eef chain of narrators) can be used for the purpose of Fadhaa'il (virtues of actions). Others have mentioned for the purpose of Taareekh (history) as well. Dha`eef Ahaadeeth cannot be used to extract Ahkaam (laws).
In this particular case we're dealing with, a Dha`eef Hadeeth is being used to shed further light on an abstract, arm-chair topic - namely, "Is it possible for a human being to marry a Jinn?" and the obvious follow up, "Where would I find one?" And perhaps even, "What would she look like? Would she be a Miss World?"
Obviously, no Ahkaam (laws) are being extracted, and the issue of "Is it permissible or not?" shouldn't even arise until and unless some man somehow finds a way to get himself a Jinn bride, whether it be legally, or by kidnapping her in a "tit-for-tat" kind of way (for those who believe that the Jinn used to kidnap our human women).
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format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
Assalamualaikum. JazakAllah khayr for your response.
Respected brother,
Does the `Aalim have Daleel (evidence) from Qur'aan and Sunnah to prove that?
Maybe not. But is there daleel from Qur'an and authentic Hadith that ordinary human (not Nabi) can have child from jinn?.
In the narration of Hadhrat `Ammaar ibn Yaasir رضي الله عنه wrestling with a Jinn, the Jinn was taking on the form of a human being; he was not using a body as a medium. Yet, Hadhrat `Ammaar ibn Yaasir رضي الله عنه was able to smash his face up. Maybe the Jinn became so afraid he forgot he could turn into smoke? I highly doubt that. The Jinn are created from a smokeless fire (Naar-is-Samoom), as mentioned in the Qur'aan. They don't have any connection in and of themselves with smoke. Thinking a Jinn will turn into smoke when you hit him is like thinking a human being will turn into sand when he gets punched. Human beings are created from sand, aren't they?
The story above happened in period of prophet when miracle were commonly happened. But in normal situation, I still believe that human cannot smash jinn like in fighting with another human, except with miracle. Jinn actually have not solid body. It make them can walk through a wall. So, if jinn can walk through solid object like wall, how can human punch affect them?.
I know that jinn can walk through solid object, can move an object without touch it, can fly, or run fast like wind, ..... not from books or stories. But from what I have seen in my experiences.
The Ambiyaa are normal human beings like everyone else. Allaah Ta`aalaa commands Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم in the Qur'aan to tell the people:
إنما أنا بشر مثلكم
{"I am only a man like you."** [Soorah al-Kahf.]
It is only the Barelvi group which has the `Aqeedah (belief) that the Ambiyaa were not human beings like other people.
Nabi Sulaymaan عليه السلام was a human being, just like all of the Ambiyaa were human beings. They were not Malaa'ikah or a different creation.
والله تعالى أعلم
Physically, the Ambiyaa were human being like us. But different than us, the Ambiyaa were given miracle by Allah, while we don't get. What I mean with ordinary human does not refer to physic, but refer to status in front of Allah.
Assalamualaikum. JazakAllah khayr for your response.
Maybe not. But is there daleel from Qur'an and authentic Hadith that ordinary human (not Nabi) can have child from jinn?.
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
Respected brother,
We have Daleel from a Dha`eef Hadeeth. It's not Saheeh, yes, but we are not dealing with Ahkaam (laws of Sharee`ah) in this case. It is an issue of Taareekh (history), so a Dha`eef Hadeeth can be used as evidence.
If you think of it as a scale (the two-pan scale for measuring), and you put a Dha`eef Hadeeth on the one side, it will weigh heavier than the other side, which has nothing on it at all. Those who believe a human being and a Jinn can marry and have a child have at least a Dha`eef Hadeeth to back up their claim, but those who deny it don't have evidence to the contrary.
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
The story above happened in period of prophet when miracle were commonly happened. But in normal situation, I still believe that human cannot smash jinn like in fighting with another human, except with miracle. Jinn actually have not solid body. It make them can walk through a wall. So, if jinn can walk through solid object like wall, how can human punch affect them?.
I know that jinn can walk through solid object, can move an object without touch it, can fly, or run fast like wind, ..... not from books or stories. But from what I have seen in my experiences.
To say that it happened only as a miracle, Shaykh, and that a Jinn can't normally be injured in human form, requires Daleel. Unless the Daleel is produced we will not be able to accept that.
There is a lot more information regarding this issue which can be found here:
Physically, the Ambiyaa were human being like us. But different than us, the Ambiyaa were given miracle by Allah, while we don't get. What I mean with ordinary human does not refer to physic, but refer to status in front of Allah.
Jazaakallaah for clarifying what your view on that is.
I was under the impression that dhaeef hadeeth can only be used as circumstantial evidence and not as proof.
in other words - not reliable.
im finding you hard to follow in all honesty, in one post you cited an hadeeth attributed to prophet Muhammad pbuh then in the next you clarified there is no aurhentic hadeeth on the subject and now in unequivocal terms you've written that dhaeef hadeeth can be used as evidence without clarifying that this evidence is not to be taken as proof.
This is one of those subject which often end up doing more harm than good. The jinn are from the ghaib and so for us to presume we know anything is kinda far fetched unless and only if we stick with Quran and hadeeth which are sound and authentic.
I was under the impression that dhaeef hadeeth can only be used as circumstantial evidence and not as proof.
in other words - not reliable.
im finding you hard to follow in all honesty, in one post you cited an hadeeth attributed to prophet Muhammad pbuh then in the next you clarified there is no aurhentic hadeeth on the subject and now in unequivocal terms you've written that dhaeef hadeeth can be used as evidence without clarifying that this evidence is not to be taken as proof.
This is one of those subject which often end up doing more harm than good. The jinn are from the ghaib and so for us to presume we know anything is kinda far fetched unless and only if we stick with Quran and hadeeth which are sound and authentic.
Scimi
It is like this:
A Dha`eef Hadeeth cannot be used as proof when it comes to matters of Ahkaam (laws).
A Dha`eef Hadeeth can (according to `Ulamaa like Imaam an-Nawawi and others) be used as proof in cases of Fadhaa'il (virtues) and Taareekh (history).
We are dealing with a case of Taareekh, namely, the mother of Bilqees. Hence, a Dha`eef Hadeeth is being put forward as a Daleel.
If this was a Fiqhi issue, then no Dha`eef Ahaadeeth could be brought forward as proof.
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