Movement disorder and the deen

May Allah swt grant you shifa. Ameen

format_quote Originally Posted by Desert

As salamu alaikum

I'm 30 years old
I live in USA I have schizoaffective bipolar ADHD type mental
Illnesses that involve movement disorder I cannot pray or fast due to these mental illnesses
What happens to me during prayers is I get repetive movements so
I can't stand still for Salah I swing back and forth and move my arms
Nor can I fast if I stare at a thing with my eyes my eyes will roll due
To my movement disorder that prevents me from everything Islamic..
Do I have to atleast try or am I excused or will I be punished if I don't try?
I'm sorry but ever since I gave up trying hard to be a Muslim I feel like I do kufr...

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Public note to self I blame the medicine
But no I'm positive it's a jinn in my body
I just stared at the wall in my room my eyes were fine the jinns are playing with my mind!
Severe possession

Asalaamualaykum Desert.

The very fact that your are schizoaffective means that your delusional and/or have hallucinations.

At this very point it means two things.

a) Your testimony upon others or upon your self would be put to serious questioning in Civil and Legal Law.
b) The same applies to Islamic Jurisprudence. (Fiqh)

What this simply means is that after you have self proclaimed being schizoaffective - the rest of your entire story that you have typed is questionable.

In other words, your very first claim has put the rest into possibility rather than fact. I will give you an academic parable. Imagine if a person says "I am a pathological liar" and then submits an Autobiography. The entire Autobiography will be taken as either a lie or a possible fact or an amalgamation of both.

In your case the schizoaffective tendency is neurological. That simply means you have no control over the issue. That in turn means you are accountable for certain Islamic issues and not accountable on others. I can tell from how you have typed your issue that you do have a level of cognition. That in turn means you will be accountable for certain issues in Islam.

From everything that you have typed, you also seem to have sensory motive disorders. This is not uncommon as you have stated that you have ADHD and not just ADD. You bipolar issues can stem from either the schizoaffective part or the Bipolar part.

Your best course of action will be the following. Take your local Mufti with you to your Therapist and have a meeting. You need to inform and give consent for this to your Therapist. You also need to give consent that your Therapist can confer with the Mufti after that. Your Mufti would then be able to tell you which issues in Deen you are accountable for and which you are not.

If you cant control your body then at least try and find peace of mind..

Willpower.

Then maybe you can recognise what you are stumbling over. (Metaphorically, physically.. or both)

If you can pray in your mind then you are already some way to achieving something.

Its so strange to believe in dreams and yet neglect the waking one.

One day at a time.


...who can really control the body anyway o_0

Allah swt give you good character.

..whatever that means and however you get there.

Id like to deny that im dumb some day, Alhamdulillah.

..but i walked the wrong way off stage when collecting my degree!!

Ah well..

Plant them.

They will last longer.

Em.. i have no idea if they will.. i am not gardener!

Also maybe find a better username O_O

One day at a time.

Yeah somehow i think the movie references were better than where this thread is now headed.

You dont need to teach anyone anything only recify yourself.

Be warned..

This place was designed to teach you.

No point blaming jin when most of us give ourselves over to wrong things..

By which we wrong our own souls only.

..And those willing to hold tails.


Ancient japanese story that may be copypasta.

Describes a japanese general that fishes without a hook on the line.

When asked why..

He says.

Only the willing can be caught by this line.

It was a grand story but im no story teller.

format_quote Originally Posted by Desert

im not the religious one its the jinn thats making me act religious
i never pray salah when i get the jinn controlling my mind it forces me to worry about prayers and talk about hazart maryamo whoever she was
i dont know anything about islam all i do is wait for that huge weight on my shoulders to become weak so i can express myself

i never wore hijab like it controled me to do so

it seems to be a learned muslim jinn...that is messing around with my mind...

the witch is out of its box i was never in prayer fever i was a sinner...

We are all driven by some intent at the least..

Lets hope for increased understanding within our flawed understandings.

And ultimately a coming to terms with whatever allah swt provides on the path.

format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus

Maybe it is a sign from God To wake you up from your imaginary world and do the important things before you regret it. Right?

Lets try not to become monsters while we are at it..

Its far from imaginary.