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    Music in video games haram? (OP)


    So I play this game where the music is instrumental in the gameplay and I just wanna know if playing it with music is haram.

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    Re: Music in video games haram?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa View Post
    And I am not interested in getting into that debate now. I'm asserting the existence of scholarly disagreement on the topic. A categorically different matter.
    Then why make that comment? You're in essence throwing confusion in a matter that's clear.

    Some deviant groups believe worshipping graves is permissible. Is this difference of opinion allowed as well? Are you going to assert that this opinion should be respected as well?
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    Re: Music in video games haram?

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    Then why make that comment? You're in essence throwing confusion in a matter that's clear.

    Some deviant groups believe worshipping graves is permissible. Is this difference of opinion allowed as well? Are you going to assert that this opinion should be respected as well?
    But brother, his comment is only to make people aware that there is a scholarly disagreement over this. This doesnt mean that he wants to get into a debate.
    And comparing grave worshipping with listening to music is like comparing Zina with the debate whether to keep your eye open or closed during sujood. Its not even on the same level.

    There are plenty of clear cut verses in the Quran that tells us not to worship anything other than Allah. Islam essentially revolves around the idea of monotheism, so how is that debate comparable to that of music?

    Like Brother Zafran said, the burden of showing evidence is on those prohibiting something since everything in islam is deemed halal unless someone can find a solid text from Quran or Sunnah that strictly forbids it.
    Nowhere in the Quran is the word ma'azif or ginaa (musical instruments or singing) mentioned in any of its ayaat. And the only hadith that is linked back to the prophet (PBUH) mentioning musical instruments alongside zina and alcohol, has its chain of narrators questioned in terms of its authenticity (there are those who claim that the mentioned chain is saheeh and others who dont).

    Plus, is it not strange to you that the prohibition of music (something that is put side by side to zina and alcohol) be not even mentioned once by name in the Quran? While other things much less severe to be mentioned multiple times by name in the Quran?
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    Re: Music in video games haram?

    Quote Originally Posted by happymuslim View Post
    So I play this game where the music is instrumental in the gameplay and I just wanna know if playing it with music is haram.
    By the way you are the first girl I have ever known playing video game

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    Re: Music in video games haram?

    For the most part I better play safe than sorry, I don’t wanna take any chances and I get the feeling that music is haram. I do wanna quit the game anyways, so I guess it’s not that big a deal.
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    Re: Music in video games haram?

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    Then why make that comment? You're in essence throwing confusion in a matter that's clear.

    Some deviant groups believe worshipping graves is permissible. Is this difference of opinion allowed as well? Are you going to assert that this opinion should be respected as well?
    If it would be clear, there wouldn't be scholarly disagreement on it. How about reading my original post? It doesn't take any position on whether music is haram. All I'm saying is that there is no reason to believe that the permissibility of music in videogames would be different from the general permissibility of music, regardless where one stands on that controversy.

    Worshipping graves and how we should regard those who do it is irrelevant. By twisting my position into an extreme parody of it, you've proven nothing.

    Deviant, huh? You can claim anything to be scholarly consensus if you get to deem those who disagree as deviants who don't count, on account of their disagreement with the alleged consensus. Only problem is, then your assertion of scholarly consensus has turned into a circular argument. With a very small radius.
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    Re: Music in video games haram?

    salaam

    a better analogy would be divorce and Ibn Taymiyya(ra) - who is ironically also the scholar that was against Tawassul - Of course the dominant scholarly opinion is on the opposite side. The same applies to music. With scholars like Ibn Hazm, Imam al- Nabulisi, Shawkani, Imam Ghazzali etc making a more nuance case for Music. Whilst many others were against it as it could lead to haram/Makuruh and saw it as a waste of time.

    A more detailed analysis.

    https://islamictextinstitute.co.za/music-azhar-fatwa/

    peace.
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    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

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    Re: Music in video games haram?

    Quote Originally Posted by happymuslim View Post
    So I play this game where the music is instrumental in the gameplay and I just wanna know if playing it with music is haram.
    Music in all forms is haram (not including the duff/daff). Don't listen to the distractors on here or anywhere that say otherwise. There will always be trouble makers trying to dilute Islam to fit their desires. Anyways, I would mute the sound to avoid listening to the music. Games, like all playful activities, are 'okay' so long as done in moderation and so long as they do not neglect one from their religious duties and life obligations. Plus, good to keep this in mind:

    "With regard to using them, that depends on the type of game, because some of them contain excessive violence, some of them are about pursuing prostitutes in the street, and some of them are about venerating the cross and raising the dead. They should also be free of evils such as indecent pictures and music, and they should not distract players from obligatory duties. The games should also be free of gambling and you should not play it a great deal. The shar’i ruling is based on the above. If you find these things or some of them in it, then it is not permissible to play it, but if it is free of all these things, then it is permissible. "


    https://islamqa.info/en/97681
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    Re: Music in video games haram?

    Quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa View Post
    If it would be clear, there wouldn't be scholarly disagreement on it. How about reading my original post? It doesn't take any position on whether music is haram. All I'm saying is that there is no reason to believe that the permissibility of music in videogames would be different from the general permissibility of music, regardless where one stands on that controversy.
    I'm going to ask you the same question I asked you previously: have you learned any fiqh? Your statement that I've highlighted in bold suggests that you have very little understanding of fiqh and the 'scholarly disagreement'.

    Here's some questions for you to ponder over:

    If there are multiple opinions on a matter, why is this the case? Which one opinion do we follow on any particular matter and why?
    If the scholars have the Qur'an and Sharia before them, why do they end up differing? What's the reason behind this and is it an issue?
    If there are multiple opinions on a matter, do we pick the one that suits us?
    Do we accept all opinions as correct or is there one that's always correct?
    Can scholars of the same school of thought disagree over a matter?

    Any answers must refer back to the Qur'an and Sunnah.

    Worshipping graves and how we should regard those who do it is irrelevant. By twisting my position into an extreme parody of it, you've proven nothing.
    I've proven something but that's for you to figure out. If you believe that I am making a parody of things then I suggest you YouTube grave worshippers and you'll come across Muslims who perform such acts.
    Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 2 Days Ago at 07:44 AM.
    Music in video games haram?

    And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.”
    [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]



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