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    If I had a friend who had suffered abuse and as a result began drinking, would it be permissible to still be friends with him to help him and keep him company because of his fragile mental state even if I know he is still drinking? If I left him, would he have the right to dislike me for leaving him because leaving a sinner is permissible if they won’t change yet.

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    Re: Person who sins

    If you want to stay friends with him for a good reason, and you understand that he was sort of pushed into drinking, then that's fine as it's for a good cause and to protect the brother from further harm

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    Re: Person who sins

    Just be sure that your good influence on him prevails his bad influence on you.

    Some muslim brothers goes so far in their intention to influence disbeliever tourists that they are drinking together with them while keep thinking that they are doing good deed.

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    Re: Person who sins

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    If you want to stay friends with him for a good reason, and you understand that he was sort of pushed into drinking, then that's fine as it's for a good cause and to protect the brother from further harm
    And if I left him would he have the right to feel hurt and angry about it? Because it’s permissible in Islam to stay away from sinners so would his anger at me fall under hating what Islam teaches?

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    Re: Person who sins

    Quote Originally Posted by ameerkam View Post
    And if I left him would he have the right to feel hurt and angry about it? Because it’s permissible in Islam to stay away from sinners so would his anger at me fall under hating what Islam teaches?
    He have the right to feel angry at you even if you will refuse to drink his urine.

    Sorry, but I needed to make such harsh example for a reason.

    Some people like to manipulate others by appealing for feelings and such staff, to make them guilty.
    That guy may feel whatever he want to.
    You are responsible only before Allah.

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    Re: Person who sins

    Quote Originally Posted by Physicist View Post
    He have the right to feel angry at you even if you will refuse to drink his urine.

    Sorry, but I needed to make such harsh example for a reason.

    Some people like to manipulate others by appealing for feelings and such staff, to make them guilty.
    That guy may feel whatever he want to.
    You are responsible only before Allah.
    Not like that but because the person would be in a fragile mental state, would he have the right to be angry because he’d be left alone with a tough thing to deal with

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    Re: Person who sins

    Quote Originally Posted by ameerkam View Post
    And if I left him would he have the right to feel hurt and angry about it? Because it’s permissible in Islam to stay away from sinners so would his anger at me fall under hating what Islam teaches?
    I think his anger would be justified as you know he was pushed into drink and you know he could mentally lose it or get worse if you leave him

    However you can give him an ultimatum; there is no justification for drinking even if he was abused, so you can tell him, 'bruv you have to give up drinking if I'm to remain your friend' and you can give him a time you think should be enough for him to at least gradually give up drinking

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    Re: Person who sins

    Quote Originally Posted by ameerkam View Post
    And if I left him would he have the right to feel hurt and angry about it? Because it’s permissible in Islam to stay away from sinners so would his anger at me fall under hating what Islam teaches?
    No it wouldn't fall under hating what Islam teaches as he would be just angry at you leaving him and he wouldn't consider the Islam aspect.

    Any Muslim infact wouldn't hate any Islam aspect and any anger or dislike should be interpreted in other ways as I did above to give them hasn ud dhan, I.e. to assume the best of them and find excuses for them


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