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    This is another post in reply to my old one abt how Islam is always talking about husbands rights. Why does Islam always threaten disobedient women with such horrible things. What if some lady had a very angry husband and the moment she disobeyed him with a more minor matter, he remains angry for long. There are hadith on how Allah will not be pleased with a wife for as long as a husband is angry at her. And there are soo many hadith threatening women. But then when it comes to the man. It orders him to clothe her and give her food. But then it doesn’t really threaten men into considering his wives thoughts and being kind to them and listening to them etc. All I hear people say is, “think abt how muhammad S.A.W treated his wives.”. Or a few hadith that motivates men to treat their wives nicely. But there are no scary threats. Nothing! Its always, women women women. Even when scholars (like the good imams) give fatwa they say all these thing that women MUST do or else she will suffer. But then they just say, men should do this. And honestly men don’t really need to include their wives thoughts on decisions. So they are literally recommending men to do all these things but then for women, they will suffer badly.

    I understand marriage is important, but it sounds like a dictatorship to me where the husband doesn’t need to much other than feed her and clothe her and dont be mean IF she listens. She literally has to listen to EVERYTHING. I mean, you dont even find any hadith threatening men if they are not considerate!!

    these things are making me depressed and it would strongly help if someone read and considered my post. It makes me not want to get married. I’m sure I will find a good husband but it is very sad to see Islam does this stuff
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    Re: Please explain

    Assalamu Alaikum,

    Both the wife and husband have rights over each other. If you're just going to focus on the husband aspect of it, then I don't think you are really understanding the bigger picture.
    The world is not black and white. Yes the wife has to be obedient to her husband but that doesn't mean that he will turn her into his servant. Yes there are punishments, but there is forgiveness. Relationships take work and there will be mistakes whether that relationship is a marriage or not. Just like your parents have rights over you, or your siblings, or your friends. Allah says in the Quran you can't even utter "uff" towards your parents, yet I'm sure we have been disobedient to our parents at some point or another. So you can't expect things to be perfect 24/7 in any relationship. You fix your mistakes and you carry on lol. No point in having this immature way of thinking.

    The solution is simple really, choose a good husband or stay single. If you have a problem, communicate and resolve it.
    If your husband turns out to be a bad person, then you can divorce him.
    I don't see why you are allowing yourself to get worked up about it.
    Last edited by *charisma*; 08-02-2020 at 06:33 PM.
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    Re: Please explain

    format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    . I mean, you dont even find any hadith threatening men if they are not considerate!!
    Dear brother/ sister,

    السلام علیکم ورحمتہ اللہ وبرکاتہ

    When Imaan enters someone’s heart, he or she starts understanding the real message of Islam in every aspect of life even if something specific is not mentioned or someone has not read it ever. How can a “Man” expect paradise while treating his wife badly for Allah SWT and His messenger (PBUH) are giving warnings even to those who do not treat their animals with kindness?
    I think there is no more severe punishment than throwing someone out of paradise or disqualifying someone’s credentials to be eligible to enter paradise. I am quoting the following ahadiths in this regard of course they do apply to all husbands as well.

    "A rude and ill-tempered person shall not enter Paradise.
    Abu Da'ud

    عَنْ أَبِي الدَّرْدَاءِ قَالَ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ دُلَّنِي عَلَى عَمَلٍ يُدْخِلُنِي الْجَنَّةَ قَالَ صلى الله عليه وسلم لا تَغْضَبْ وَلَكَ الْجَنَّةُ
    2411 المعجم الأوسط للطبراني باب الألف باب من اسمه إبراهيم
    7374 المحدث الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث صحيح في صحيح الجامع
    Abu Darda reported: I said, “O Messenger of Allah, tell me about a deed that will admit me into Paradise.” The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said,
    “Do not be angry and you will enter Paradise.”
    Source: al-Muʻjam al-Awsaṭ 2411
    Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani


    2840 صحيح مسلم كتاب الجنة وصفة نعيمها وأهلها باب يدخل الجنة أقوام أفئدتهم مثل أفئدة الطير
    قال النووي قيل معْنَاهُ مُتوَكِّلُون وقِيلَ قُلُوبُهُمْ رقِيقةٌ
    1/59 رياض الصالحين باب اليقين والتوكل

    Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said,
    “People whose hearts are like the hearts of birds will enter Paradise.”
    Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2840
    Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim
    Al-Nawawi said, “It is interpreted to mean they are those who rely upon Allah, or those who have soft hearts.”
    Source: Riyāḍ al-Ṣāliḥīn 1/45

    Finally, the wife has been given the right to get separated if her husband don't have the qualities "to be a man".
    Hope this answer your question.
    Stay blessed.
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    Re: Please explain

    “For example. My father totally takes this to the next level. He does things like wake my mom up in the middle of the night to get him food because he's hungry. Or he would make her get in the kitchen as soon as she comes home from work even though she's exhausted. Decide he wants all his laundry done NOW and makes her do it regardless of what she's in the middle of. Tell her she can't buy certain things she likes, just because he doesn't like them. And so much more.”

    and he tells her that it is her duty and she must have sabr


    It isn’t haram for him to order these things right, and she has to fufill it because it is not disobedience of Allah, right?
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    Re: Please explain

    Sister its okaym I think you may be confused with how unfortunately your father is behaving with your mother. That is not islam. When a man marries someone. That person has responsibilities and their rights on them. The prophet SAW said the best of those are those who sre good to their families. Charity starts with home. One time, Rasool SAW admonished a man for not kissing his child and showing mercy to his family. Another example is when someone or something had gotten a gift from the father, and the prophet SAW asked if the other children got the same gifts? Basically treat all equally. What do all these examples show? That men should treat their family and wife good. However as you point out, there is juctice for both. If women behave it is very bad and extremely sinful as many women if not most behave horribly. On other hand there is also the same punishments if a man commits these sins or oppresses family. I was once pushed away from Islam when young but then realized that was not islam but their own behavior. Its just ignorance and lack of knowledge. Study Islam more in depth and you will have all the answers you need. Specifically study the seerah of the Prophet SAW and you will then realize the truth and then realize how men and women SHOULD be. I think you are just bit confused. But inshallah when you study, you will feel better. Inshallah may Allah guide you, you give more knowledge, and bless you with a handsome pious of your dreams

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    Re: Please explain

    format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    And there are soo many hadith threatening women. But then when it comes to the man. It orders him to clothe her and give her food.
    format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    it is very sad to see Islam does this stuff
    Assalamualaikum. Also I would suggest you stay away from feminists whether it's online or offline. They have nothing to do except sowing doubts regarding treatment of women in society and after marriage, specifically in islam. If Allah SWT has given the command to woman to obey her husband,there must be some good for her. Her happiness lies in obeying her husband. But in the same way husband has to respect his wife and give her her rights. And of course there will be punishment for man if he doesn't fulfill his duties. But husband is considered superior to his wife because of the verse:
    "Men are in charge of women by (right of)what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Great".(4:34)
    Most of the women are very ungrateful to their husbands which is why they will be in majority in hellfire. It is said that wife should control her tongue and husband should control his anger, and wife needs love and husband needs respect. And finally love for the sake of Allah SWT , all this makes a perfect marriage. As muslims, we should not object anything in islam,sister. Our foremost duty is to say "We hear and we obey."
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    Re: Please explain

    format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    “For example. My father totally takes this to the next level. He does things like wake my mom up in the middle of the night to get him food because he's hungry. Or he would make her get in the kitchen as soon as she comes home from work even though she's exhausted. Decide he wants all his laundry done NOW and makes her do it regardless of what she's in the middle of. Tell her she can't buy certain things she likes, just because he doesn't like them. And so much more.”

    and he tells her that it is her duty and she must have sabr


    It isn’t haram for him to order these things right, and she has to fufill it because it is not disobedience of Allah, right?
    RIGHTS OF HUSBAND IN ISLAM
    Allah has ordained a certain set of duties and responsibilities upon the believing men and women, which include the rights and duties of husbands and wives. In order to create a balance, both husband and wife enjoy their own well-defined rights in their own capacities, as quoted in the Holy Quran:
    And they (women) have rights (over their husbands) similar (to those of their husbands) over them to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. (Quran 2:228)
    Through the beautiful discourse of the Holy Quran and Sunnah, Muslims come to learn about the various rights that Allah has enjoined upon His creation – in a practical and detailed manner. Without the fulfillment of these basic rights, the whole institution of marriage would cease to remain healthy and sustainable – it would fall apart. Just as women enjoy a set of rights upon their husbands, husbands also possess certain rights over their wives in return. Here is a look at some of the rights possessed by a husband in the realm of Islam:

    1- Obedience and Respect:
    In the natural scheme of things, Allah has made men the protectors and guardians of women – it is their rightful and obligatory duty to take care of women and provide for them (physically and financially) as stated in the Holy Book of Allah Subhanahu Wa Taa'la:
    Men are the maintainers of women, because Allah has made some of them to excel others, and because they spend out of their property.(Quran 4:34)
    Hence, there is a certain level of respect in the relationship where men are the protectors of women. It is enjoined upon the wife to be respectful of her husband and to not be disobedient when it comes to matters of the family, children, wealth etc. and to exercise patience and obedience with her husband.

    2- The Wife to be Available for her Husband
    In Islam, once a couple is married, the wife is not to refuse her husband when it comes to sexual fulfillment. Unless or until the wife is not feeling or unable to have intercourse due to obligatory fasts, periods etc., she is obliged to make herself available to her husband upon the commencement of their marriage whenever he asks her. A wife’s refusal of her husband’s request for physical intimacy is greatly condemned by Allah (SWT) as is showcased in the following hadith:
    Narrated by Abu Hurayrah (RA):
    The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: ‘When a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he went to sleep angry with her, the angels will curse her until morning.' (Muslim, 1436)
    The main rationale behind this is so that the husband does not fall astray and commit Zina.

    3- Barring anyone who the Husband dislikes
    One of the rights a husband holds over his wife is that the wife must not allow any individual to enter their house which the husband does not like or approve of. Even in the very last sermon of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), he shed light upon the rights of men and women and instructed that the wives are not to allow any person into their houses that the husband does not approve of.
    You have rights over your women and your women have rights over you. Your rights over your women are that they should not let anyone whom you dislike sit on your bed and they should not let anyone whom you dislike enter your house. Their rights over you are that you should feed and clothe them well. (Tirmidhi, 1163)

    4- Good and Kind Treatment of the Husband

    Just as the wife enjoys the right to kind behavior from her husband, the husband also enjoys the right to receive good and kind treatment from his wife. If there is no mutual kindness and respect between a husband and wife, there can be no companionship or understanding, which will eventually result in the decaying of the marriage. The husband and the wife, both, should implement and practice compassion, forgiveness, and gentleness in their relationship on an everyday basis and work towards creating a healthy and happy environment for their family and themselves.

    RIGHTS OF A WIFE IN ISLAM

    Now I don't want to just give you one sided picture by showing rights a husband have on wife. In Islam, the wife’s rights are hers and hers alone. A woman’s identity is irrespective of another; she is her own person and Allah demands it to be so. Let us look at some of the major rights wives possess in the realm of Islam. A wife has a set of financial and non-financial rights over her husband:

    FINANCIAL RIGHTS:
    1- Dowry (Mahr)
    Dowry is a set amount of money, which the wife is legally entitled to once the marriage contract is signed and consummated. The husband is legally bound to pay the designated amount to his wife. The dowry essentially stands as a token of safety, regard, and honor for the wife. In the Holy Quran, Allah SWT states:
    And give to the women (whom you marry) their ‘Mahr’ with a good heart (Quran 4:4)
    2- Spending
    Islam stipulates that it is incumbent upon the husband to provide accommodation and fulfill the necessities/needs (i.e. food, housing, clothing etc.) for his wife to the best of his capabilities. The husband can do this while staying within his means at the time. It is obligatory on the husbands in Islam to spend on their wives (in a reasonable manner) and take care of them financially. In the Prophet’s (PBUH) last sermon, he said:
    As narrated by Jabir, the Holy Prophet (PBUH) said in his Farewell Sermon:
    Fear Allah concerning women! Verily you have taken them on the security of Allah, and intercourse with them has been made lawful unto you by words of Allah…Their rights upon you are that you should provide them with food and clothing in a fitting manner (Muslim, 1218)
    If a husband is religious and has any fear of Allah, he will never treat his wife in a disrespectful way. One should not blame Islam for the action of so called Muslims who use Islam remind women of husband's rights and forget to fulfill the rights they have upon their wives and children.

    NON-FINANCIAL RIGHTS:
    1- Respect and kindness
    The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) greatly emphasized on the kind treatment of women, especially wives. The husband must treat his wife with the utmost respect and dignity – nothing less! He must be good to her and be cognizant of her feelings and emotions as well. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:
    The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: ‘Be kind to women.’ (Bukhari, 3153)
    2- Fair and equal treatment
    In the case of co-wives, Islam stipulates that the husband must treat all his wives equally (if he has more than one wife at a time). It is each wife’s right to be treated equally in all manners including the amount of time spent with them, the nights spent with them, the amount of spending on them etc.

    3- Not to be harmed
    The husband is to be the protector of his wife and not to bring any harm upon her. It is his duty to take care of her, physically and emotionally. The husband is not to abuse his wife physically, emotionally or sexually. The wife is essentially under the protection of her husband, hence it is the husband’s responsibility to make sure he fulfills his duty.

    Islam is a religion founded upon equality, justice, fairness, love, and humanity. Thus, it is not surprising that Islam ordains both the husband and wife to exercise their own set of rights and freedom in a marriage, which are meant to nurture and beautify the whole institution of marriage itself if followed correctly and according to the laws of Allah Subhanahu Wa Taa'la.

    I hope all of the above will help you to see a compete and bigger picture. In regards to, is cooking for husband part of wife’s duty? Short answer is yes, we see example of this in the life of companions. Prophet’s ( peace be upon him) Own daughter Fatima ( May Allah be pleased with her) will do everything with her own hands for Her husband Ali ( May Allah be pleased with him). Listen to the videos below for more detail answer to your specific question and hope you can make sense of this.




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