Police

**anonymous** · 05-18-2006

I'm a muslim, living in England. I was wondering what the Islamic stance is on a muslim joining the police? Considering my job would be to restore law and order to the streets?

**dishdash** · 05-25-2006

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

i tink its heavy, i wantd 2 b a police officer

but u hav 2 b lik 40 b4 u can join d undacova cops so i didnt wana do it den

Chach - they were probably referring to your IQ.

Of course they may just have seen your application form and had some sort of prescient vision of your crime reports...

Dis bloke rite - 'e wos rite leary an wos doin'' sum tink wiv a gun yeah rite. Now ear dis. E got d gun an booyaka 'e blew away dis clerk den yeah 'e wos lyk oos next u filfee babylon... etc etc.

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

LOL@dishdash
But erm... i dunno... i don't like police ever since Babar Ahmad got arrested. What if you were instructed to beat the pulp out of a fellow Muslim?
Pray salaat al istikhaara I say.

**dishdash** · 05-25-2006

That is like saying I don't like Moslems since 9/11.

What do you mean if you were instructed to beat the crap out of a fellow Moslem?! You insinuate that on the occasions this might happen it's NOT racist officers, rather an offically sanctioned directive from New Scotland Yard?

<cough> victim mentality <cough>

**Nicola** · 05-25-2006

I wish we could see more people from minority groups in the police force.

It believe it's a thankless job in many times...but is a very rewarding one.

I admire the police force very much...and feel sorry for them when they work so tirelessly hard on many cases...them are so let down by our dumb system of law here in the UK.

I wish you all the best what ever you chose to do in your future.

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

Originally Posted by dishdash

That is like saying I don't like Moslems since 9/11.

What do you mean if you were instructed to beat the crap out of a fellow Moslem?! You insinuate that on the occasions this might happen it's NOT racist officers, rather an offically sanctioned directive from New Scotland Yard?

<cough> victim mentality <cough>

Do you know anything of Babar Ahmad's case?

**dishdash** · 05-25-2006

Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed

Do you know anything of Babar Ahmad's case?

Of course I do - throw away the key I say...

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

AstaghfurAllah. Dishdash, that's low. Even for you.

**glo** · 05-25-2006

Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed

What if you were instructed to beat the pulp out of a fellow Muslim?

It's really worrying to hear somebody express such a view about the police service.
Do you really believe such instructions are given in the British police service?
And if so, where do you get such teaching/ information from?

To hear a young British Muslim say such things makes me realise that we have a long way to go to make peace between Muslims and the secular state they live in.

You must live in a state of permanent fear and distrust of the very services that are in place to protect you! I could not live like that!

Peace.

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

Yeah well im scared of what would happen if the police kicked my door down. That's just a personal opinion. It has nothing to do with Islam. So I don't understand what that has to do with Muslims and the secular state.
Sorry, don't mean to sound rude.

**Ghazi** · 05-25-2006

Originally Posted by dishdash

Of course I do - throw away the key I say...

How can you say such a thing I'm disguested.

ffended:

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

Me too. To wish that on an innocent Muslim.... *speechless*.

**hidaayah** · 05-25-2006

Agree with sis umm shaheed ..what if u have to do sumthing against ur muslim brothers n sisterz?? what will u do then...to be on the safe side there are soo many other proffessions to choose from.and also as sis Rabiya said:

Originally Posted by Rabi'ya

For example, you may be on patrol with one female and one male officer - this could lead to fitnah. Also, how do u feel about dealing with places like night clubs/pubs etc.

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

JazakAllah for the back up sis.

**queen_nadia** · 05-25-2006

in think dat as muslims we shud really think of hw much we value & respect da rules of islam. to fight4 or protect views dat go againts islam is very dangerous. e.g. think about a muslim gettin into a fight with an non-believer and according to shari3a the muslim is correct. wot den? wud you A) follow you religion or B) do as many hav done and put it aside jus 4 prosparity in da dunya
think about it den m8k ur mind up.
life is a battle dont m8k things harder for yourself in da long run!!!!

**Syed Nizam** · 05-25-2006

Assalamualaikum & greetings 4 all,

First of all, I'm surprised that there are still some of us muslims who could actually think that joining the forces is haram? Why must we always see things as only limited to black or white? Why cant we see the colors, the various shades of life in between?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but surely all of us must know and realise that as a muslim we have to fulfilled 2 obligations. Firstly are those which falls under the Fardh-Ain and secondly, those which falls under the Fardh-Kifayah. Things like prayer (namaz), fasting, hajj etc falls into the first category. Things like what we do as a living, for example, falls into the later. However, there are certain things when this Fardh-Kifayah things bacome Fardh-Ain. Take the question asked in this thread as a good example for this. To be a police is a Fardh-Kifayah for the muslim in general. So does other jobs such as a doctors, engineers, teachers etc.... What would have become to the muslim community in the whole if all muslims have a very narrow minded perspective on life? Everything is haram, without even any slight conscience on it. Can u imagine if all muslim prohibits the woman from becoming doctors? Asked yourself, would u rather have a male doctor or a muslimah doctor to accompany your wife during labour? So, please.... refrained ourselves from falling into this malady. Truly, the right things have been clearly estinguished from error.

Peace...

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

Nicely put.
Babar Ahmad was physically and mentally abused by the anti-terror police. He was forced into prayer position and they asked him 'where's your God now?'
Apart from smashing his head against the window so hard that the window shattered, they also physically tortured him for the next half an hour. Oh, and they also did something as strange as pulling on his genitals. Perverts.

**queen_nadia** · 05-25-2006

so rite sis! i cudn't imagine supportin such a system. i will live in this country as a law abiding citizen but i won't support thier unjust laws that affect us muslims. and please brothers and sisters dont try & tell me about joining them to m8k a difference. it wont m8k a difference they will neva be happy until we leave our religion.

**MinAhlilHadeeth** · 05-25-2006

As Allah has stated in the Qur'an, sa7 ukhti!
I won't break any laws insha-Allah, but no way will i encourage someone to join the police.

**j4763** · 05-25-2006

Originally Posted by A sister

Agree with sis umm shaheed ..what if u have to do sumthing against ur muslim brothers n sisterz??

What like arrest them? Why should that be a problem, or are Muslims not allowed to arrest fellow Muslims even if they have broken the law of the country they reside in?

**glo** · 05-25-2006

Originally Posted by Syed Nizam

Assalamualaikum & greetings 4 all,

Take the question asked in this thread as a good example for this. To be a police is a Fardh-Kifayah for the muslim in general. So does other jobs such as a doctors, engineers, teachers etc.... What would have become to the muslim community in the whole if all muslims have a very narrow minded perspective on life? Everything is haram, without even any slight conscience on it. Can u imagine if all muslim prohibits the woman from becoming doctors? Asked yourself, would u rather have a male doctor or a muslimah doctor to accompany your wife during labour? So, please.... refrained ourselves from falling into this malady. Truly, the right things have been clearly estinguished from error.

Peace...

I have asked myself this question before now.

I really like your post. Thank you for that!
I think it is important for 'ethnic minorities' to make themselves present in their local communities.
I often feel that Muslims I listen to either want society as a whole to 'become more Islamic' (which in a secular society isn't like to happen, at least not quickly), or otherwise keep themselves isolated from the rest of society.
Surely the must be a middle way!

As a Christian woman in a secular society I sometimes face similar issues.
For example, I work in the health service. Topics such as sexual behaviour, abortion, genetics etc are real issues, which can create real tensions between a believer's faith and his/her job.
That does not mean that Christians leave their jobs in droves. It means they apply their faith at work, try to change policies, witness to other people and talk about their faith!
Does it create tensions? Yes!
Does it need constant assessment of one's faith? Yes!

But sometimes, not doing the job, is the easy way out!
Just my personal opinion of course.

Peace.