I'm a muslim, living in England. I was wondering what the Islamic stance is on a muslim joining the police? Considering my job would be to restore law and order to the streets?
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I don't think that the police force actively instructs their officers to target muslims for excess violence. Also, if you people are saying that the entire police is corrupt, muslim beaters, judged by the actions of the minority, isn't this the same as people labelling muslims terrorists on the actions of a few?
Also, if a muslim was causing unrest, should he not be arrested? We are told to abide by the laws of the country we live in.
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The police have a great part in running the country. They should be seen as a greater authority buy the public, if there were more Muslims in the police force then I would hope more Muslims would respect the police as so many seem not to.
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I'm not syaing all police are evil. A nice policeman gave me directions yesterday. What i'm trying to say is that you may be put in a situation where you are forced to harm a fellow Muslim or stand by and watch. What with all the power police are given with these anti-terror laws... I think it's wrong for a Muslim to be part of such a force.
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I'm not syaing all police are evil. A nice policeman gave me directions yesterday. What i'm trying to say is that you may be put in a situation where you are forced to harm a fellow Muslim or stand by and watch. What with all the power police are given with these anti-terror laws... I think it's wrong for a Muslim to be part of such a force.
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Rubbish! If there were more Muslims in the police then they could help stop these so called actions you speak of.
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Rubbish! If there were more Muslims in the police then they could stop these so called actions you speak of.
I agree! If there were muslims in the police force, thats one way they would be in a position where they can do anything about all this unfair treatment, and brutality.
Rubbish! If there were more Muslims in the police then they could stop these so called actions you speak of.
Huh? People from all walks of life call them that, A majority of police abuse their power, oh I'm a police officer don't mess with me, once this women officer made a show of me by screaming in my face, seriously I doubt she'd have the nerve if she wasn't a policewomen.
The word 'haraam' never came out of my mouth.
Go join the dirty forces if you want, i'm just not gonna propagate it.
Assalamualaikum sis,
This issue is plain & simple. Ever imagine how all of us muslims cries fouls when the western media portrayed us, muslims as a terrorists due to the action of some lunatics among us? SURELY, we will say that it is GROSSLY WRONG for the whole community to be blamed for the action of a minority.
Ever imagine if we applied the same cases here, in the case of the police? Surely (i'm not denying it) that there are some lunatics in the police force itself who use excessive forces on others. But, again... aren't we falling into the same malady here when we accused the whole police force of being dirty, just due to the action of a few officers?
Arent we equally guilty of falling into the narrow minded prejudice view on the whole thing?
Peace...
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So would peoples feelings be the same about a muslim firefighter? He could be in a situation where he would have to deal with a non-mahram woman, carrying her out of a fire.
What do people think could be problems faced by the muslim community itself, towards me as a muslim police officer. be brutally honest
I don't have any problems with you, i just don't like the power police are given. And to be honest, i don't like or trust the police after the Babar Ahmad case. Some of the laws in this country are totally unislamic. I can be arrested just for supporting the resistance in countries like Iraq or Palestine, even verbally. Is that justice? Oh yeah and I can still suupport the IRA mind you.
So no i don't think you would get any problems with me, i just don't like the police force.
Huh? People from all walks of life call them that, A majority of police abuse their power, oh I'm a police officer don't mess with me, once this women officer made a show of me by screaming in my face, seriously I doubt she'd have the nerve if she wasn't a policewomen.
Did she have a reason to scream in your face? If not what was it about?
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This issue is plain & simple. Ever imagine how all of us muslims cries fouls when the western media portrayed us, muslims as a terrorists due to the action of some lunatics among us? SURELY, we will say that it is GROSSLY WRONG for the whole community to be blamed for the action of a minority.
Ever imagine if we applied the same cases here, in the case of the police? Surely (i'm not denying it) that there are some lunatics in the police force itself who use excessive forces on others. But, again... aren't we falling into the same malady here when we accused the whole police force of being dirty, just due to the action of a few officers?
Arent we equally guilty of falling into the narrow minded prejudice view on the whole thing?
Peace...
The anti-terror laws gives them those freedoms, so i say don't join at all. This si my opiniona nd i'm not passing out a fatwa.
Did she have a reason to scream in your face? If not what was it about?
It was about 2 years ago, some students from our school had a fight with other students from a rival school just across the road, well the story goes me and my mates were at the bus-stop wating for the bus we were just talking and guess what she gets in my face acting all hard for no reason she could've just said it in a clam manner and I would've responded better, also I've been searched in numerous places, all for the colour of my skin.
I often feel that Muslims I listen to either want society as a whole to 'become more Islamic' (which in a secular society isn't like to happen, at least not quickly), or otherwise keep themselves isolated from the rest of society. Surely the must be a middle way!
u r absolutely right there. In a sense, who will better understand sensitivity and the plight of the muslim community than the muslim themselves? If only there is a muslim officer in the force, i'm sure that they will brings a slight difference to the police force where the muslims are concerned. This applies to all kind of profession which are in principal with the Islamic Sharia Laws. I do believe that the muslim community must sincerely try to make a difference, to integrate and represented themselves in the local community.
In brother Dish Dash word exactly, we must stand up and be counted....
Peace...
Last edited by Syed Nizam; 05-25-2006 at 04:31 PM.
Al-Asr (103.001-003) By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
Verily Man is in loss,
Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds,
and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth,
and of Patience and Constancy.
It was about 2 years ago, some students from our school had a fight with other students from a rival school just across the road, well the story goes me and my mates were at the bus-stop wating for the bus we were just talking and guess what she gets in my face acting all hard for no reason she could've just said it in a clam manner and I would've responded better, also I've been searched in numerous places, all for the colour of my skin.
Well maybe due to the fighting she had to shout? I've to been searched a fair amount of times when i was a bit younger, was it to because of the colour of my skin (i'm white)?
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its easy to look for reasons the point is being part of a group that are crooked and dishonest is not in the character of a muslim. this is my view not qouted by anyone else.
First of all, I'm surprised that there are still some of us muslims who could actually think that joining the forces is haram? Why must we always see things as only limited to black or white? Why cant we see the colors, the various shades of life in between?
Correct me if i'm wrong, but surely all of us must know and realise that as a muslim we have to fulfilled 2 obligations. Firstly are those which falls under the Fardh-Ain and secondly, those which falls under the Fardh-Kifayah. Things like prayer (namaz), fasting, hajj etc falls into the first category. Things like what we do as a living, for example, falls into the later. However, there are certain things when this Fardh-Kifayah things bacome Fardh-Ain. Take the question asked in this thread as a good example for this. To be a police is a Fardh-Kifayah for the muslim in general. So does other jobs such as a doctors, engineers, teachers etc.... What would have become to the muslim community in the whole if all muslims have a very narrow minded perspective on life? Everything is haram, without even any slight conscience on it. Can u imagine if all muslim prohibits the woman from becoming doctors? Asked yourself, would u rather have a male doctor or a muslimah doctor to accompany your wife during labour? So, please.... refrained ourselves from falling into this malady. Truly, the right things have been clearly estinguished from error.
Peace...
look i think that comparing the role of a doctor and a police officer doesn't m8k sence. purely because doctors are there to save lives and in many countries police officers are allowed to t8k lives. which should a muslim be considering the charaacter of a muslim and the conflict within the police force with your views and thiers:sister:
look i think that comparing the role of a doctor and a police officer doesn't m8k sence. purely because doctors are there to save lives and in many countries police officers are allowed to t8k lives. which should a muslim be considering the charaacter of a muslim and the conflict within the police force with your views and thiers:sister:
The police are also here to help save lifes, and protect the people.
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