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    I'm hanefi but I find myself 'agreeing' (if that's at all possible because who am I) with certain Shafii and Maliki positions; for example regarding kazaa namaz/salat but many other issues as well. Is it bad to mix certain positions of the four madhabs, do any of you do this? Be honest

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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    Do not pick and chose what you like from the Madhabs. Stick with one and follow it. It makes no difference which one. But do not try to simplify things by picking what you like from the other 3. It is good to learn about each of the 4 madhabs, but choose just one to follow. For most of us this will mean following the Madhab of the Imam of the Masjid we attend most often.

    I changed my source to a better one. I did not realize Keller was Sufi and his reasoning may not be in agreement with all.

    Better yet go to this thread:

    http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...an-sunnah.html
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    OK then, I will continue to stick to Hanefi fiqh then. Thanks brother Woodrow, it makes sense.

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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    It is said that if you pick and choose from the madhabs then you would be following your desires, however all the 4 madhabs are correct and each opinion has evidence for it's position. But what I wonder is, if all the madhabs are correct and each opinion has evidence for it then why can you not follow the opinion that you want to follow if they are all correct. This is what confuses me, yes it would be following your desires but they are all correct opinions anyway, based upon evidence :s can some 1 explain.

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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    Selam,

    I'm hanefi but I find myself 'agreeing' (if that's at all possible because who am I) with certain Shafii and Maliki positions; for example regarding kazaa namaz/salat but many other issues as well. Is it bad to mix certain positions of the four madhabs, do any of you do this? Be honest



    If you're agreeing with one or a few positions from a different madhab based upon understanding of the evidence, then that's not a problem. You don't have to stick to one madhab because this isn't obligatory upon anyone. However, it is better and advisable to choose a madhab and follow it and this is what the scholars recommend because it makes life easier for us lay people. But you are not blameworthy if you take an opinion from a different madhab based upon understanding and not seeking lenience.

    Check these:

    http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-stud...nd-negligence/
    http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-stud...nnah%E2%80%9D/
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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by Salahudeen View Post
    It is said that if you pick and choose from the madhabs then you would be following your desires, however all the 4 madhabs are correct and each opinion has evidence for it's position. But what I wonder is, if all the madhabs are correct and each opinion has evidence for it then why can you not follow the opinion that you want to follow if they are all correct. This is what confuses me, yes it would be following your desires but they are all correct opinions anyway, based upon evidence :s can some 1 explain.
    Perhaps an analogy would help:

    You have four roads leading from city a to city b. each road will get you to your destination in the same amount of time. Road 1 takes you over some beautiful mountains and nice bridges. Road 2 takes you through beautiful Gardens and forest Road 3 takes you over open plains with pretty villages Road 4 takes you near the ovean with lovely beaches and nice palm trees.

    I want to go from A to b I like the Mountains so I take road 1 I do not like to look at bridges so I work out an alternate path that takes through the mountains but I swerve to the view of the palms on road 4 when I approach a bridge. I might get to my destination but I can not guarantee it as this swerving is taking me on alternate roads.
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    I hope the following excerpt and video will help shed a little light Insha'Allaah:

    ...Examples of this nature are numerous and the underlying principle is that true adherence to a school is where one follows the methodology and approach of his Imam rather than merely following each verdict as an isolated ruling. Some may argue that it is impractical for the laity to understand the principles by which the Imam of a school of thought derived his opinions. The response to this is to point out that the matter is not for the laity to study and understand the detailed principles in Islamic Law, but instead for them to be open-minded and possess the flexibility that allows them to adopt other opinions once they are satisfied that it is closest to the truth (while remaining tolerant of other orthodox views). However, those who study Islamic law can, to a certain extent, understand the origins of the legal opinion and the method by which it was derived, and thus will be held accountable by Allah accordingly.

    It should also be emphasised that following a particular school does not free a person from putting any effort to follow the truth that has been revealed by Allah the Most High. Allah will not hold people accountable for their lack of adherence to a specific school, but rather for their identification of the correct ruling in any particular matter. Therefore, once an adherent of a school of thought becomes aware of another opinion in opposition to the one adopted by their school of thought, they have been afforded a good enough grounds to investigate further - it is incorrect for anyone to assume that they are not obliged to investigate merely because the opinion does not source from their school...
    Full article: http://www.islam21c.com/theology/174...sm-an-oxymoron


    The video mentions some points about following madhabs and avoiding picking-and-choosing... it takes some time for it to get into that discussion though:

    http://www.islamictube.net/watch/b2a...them-al-Haddad
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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    Perhaps an analogy would help:

    You have four roads leading from city a to city b. each road will get you to your destination in the same amount of time. Road 1 takes you over some beautiful mountains and nice bridges. Road 2 takes you through beautiful Gardens and forest Road 3 takes you over open plains with pretty villages Road 4 takes you near the ovean with lovely beaches and nice palm trees.

    I want to go from A to b I like the Mountains so I take road 1 I do not like to look at bridges so I work out an alternate path that takes through the mountains but I swerve to the view of the palms on road 4 when I approach a bridge. I might get to my destination but I can not guarantee it as this swerving is taking me on alternate roads.
    But all the roads lead to the same place so why can't you follow the alternative path to avoid the bridges that you dislike, both routes take you to the destination and both are correct.

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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...an-sunnah.html[/QUOTE]

    A short lecture by the scholar you linked to above (Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam al Kawthari) regarding 'sufism'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salahudeen View Post
    But all the roads lead to the same place so why can't you follow the alternative path to avoid the bridges that you dislike, both routes take you to the destination and both are correct.
    I don't think anyone can say that it is "absolutely impermissible". They are just opinions.

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    The main point is that you must follow what you believe is closest to the truth. If you are faced with different opinions, your criterion for distinguishing which to follow is to look at which seems to be based on the strongest evidence, not that you choose what is most convenient for you. See the video I linked to for more details Insha'Allaah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad View Post
    The main point is that you must follow what you believe is closest to the truth. If you are faced with different opinions, your criterion for distinguishing which to follow is to look at which seems to be based on the strongest evidence, not that you choose what is most convenient for you. See the video I linked to for more details Insha'Allaah.
    But not everybody is able to study Islam in depth (I will check your videos later insha'Allah).

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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    The confusion arises from the mixing of two issues:


    (a) Following another madhhab completely in a complete action, and

    (b) mixing the positions of more than one madhhab within one action, in such a way that it is not independently valid in either one (talfiq).

    The latter is impermissible and invalid according to the fuqaha. Ibn Abidin (imam of the late Hanafi school for fatwa) and Ibn Hajar al-Haytami (imam of the late Shafi`i school for fatwa) both transmit scholarly consensus (ijma`) regarding its impermissibility.


    Following another madhhab completely in a complete action, however, is valid according to the majority of the scholars of usul al-fiqh, and fuqaha, on the condition that there not be a systematic seeking out of dispensations. This was confirmed by Ibn Abidin in his Hashiya, Tahtawi in his Hashiyat al-Durr, Abd al-Ghani al-Nabulsi in his Sharh al-Tariqa al-Muhammadiyya and in his treatise on ijtihad, taqlid and talfiq, and is the position adopted by the Syrian Hanafi scholars.


    The scholars of the Indian Sub-continent generally do not allow this, except under exceptional circumstances, but not because it is per se invalid, but for obvious reasons:


    (a) In their millieu, it is not normally possible for one to find a qualified source or scholar from another school;
    (b) To close the door to the systematic seeking of dispensations.



    But, even Indo-Pak scholars who advocate this position admit, this is more an answer of prudence than a theoretical impermissibility.
    I wonder whether the position enunciated in the major texts of the school is not more suited to our situation in the West. People have a lot of difficult situations and challenges in their lives, and this makes things easy for them while remaining within the boundaries of sound sunni scholarship.


    Sticking to One School

    It is not religiously binding on the Muslim to stick to one school on all matters, without exception, as both al-Tahtawi and Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on them), the two leading late authorities for fatwa in the Hanafi school, both explain. Rather, there is nothing wrong with taking a dispensation if there is a need; what is impermissible is to make it a habit to seek out dispensations [i.e. even if there is no hardship or need].



    The Path of Taqwa


    The path of taqwa, as the scholars explain, is to avoid taking dispensations unless there is genuine hardship in following one's own school. In fact, they say that those who have learned their own school should seek out the strictest positions from other school whenever reasonably possible, so that one's worship and practice is sound without argument.


    May Allah grant us beneficial knowledge, and the success to act according to it, on the footsteps of the His Beloved (Allah bless him and give him peace), with the secret of sincerity, without which actions are but lifeless forms.



    And Allah knows best.



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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    It seems to me that Hanefis are often "alone" against the other three madhabs regarding certain fiqh issues. I could be wrong of course because I'm still learning (just a beginner really). So, there are certain issues within the Hanefi fiqh which I truly find further from the truth than the views of the other madhabs. However, like I said, I'm still learning and have a long way to go. I will simply stick to Hanefi rulings. Most people in my country of origin (Turkey) are Hanefi anyway...
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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    But not everybody is able to study Islam in depth (I will check your videos later insha'Allah).
    From the article: "Some may argue that it is impractical for the laity to understand the principles by which the Imam of a school of thought derived his opinions. The response to this is to point out that the matter is not for the laity to study and understand the detailed principles in Islamic Law, but instead for them to be open-minded and possess the flexibility that allows them to adopt other opinions once they are satisfied that it is closest to the truth (while remaining tolerant of other orthodox views)."

    In the video it mentions an example of someone who follows a particular Madhab, yet comes across one specific issue where he feels that the other Madhabs have a stronger stance on it. Rather than ignoring these other opinions despite feeling they are based on stronger evidences, it is argued he should be open to accepting them.

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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    My ustadz (islamic teacher) said that we must follow a madhab consistently. For example, almost all indonesian muslims follow syafii, then that is the fiqh path that I choose.
    As what's been expressed many times above, we shouldnt pick and choose because most of us do not study Islam in-depth, because unless we are learnt in certain issue very well, that could lead us to pick the ruling that's the most convenient to us, and not necessarily what we believe is the most correct one.

    I also agree with br. Muhammad's opinion above that we may adopt other madhab's stance when we come into certain issue where evidence for other madhab is much stronger than the madhab's that we normally follow. Personally I follow almost exclusively madhab syafii, but there are some areas where I think the other madhab is more correct. For example: in wudoo, syafii strictly dictates that wudoo is invalidated whenever I touch a non-mahram female skin, even by accident. After learning from my ustadz and books that discussed the qur'an verses and ahadeeth that concern validity of wudoo and personal experiences such as tawaf in a very crowded tawaf area where I frequently inadvertently touch a woman's fingers and feet, I came to conclusion that the other madhabs is more correct in ruling that wudoo is not invalidated by accidental touchings of non-mahram without desires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    almost all indonesian muslims follow syafii,
    The correct word is "majority of", not "almost all".

    You can count how many Indonesians who offered salat subh without du'a Qunoot. It's means they do not follow Shafi'i madhab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    Do not pick and chose what you like from the Madhabs. Stick with one and follow it.
    i am in strong opinion of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salahudeen View Post
    It is said that if you pick and choose from the madhabs then you would be following your desires
    a simple example of this is in a wudu, in hanafi fiqa when blood come out of any of ur part of body, the wudu will be invalid, However in Shafia or Malaki (i am not sure)
    the wudu will be valid even after bleeding. Now let suppose u are following Hanafia and if ur blood came out of body, and u think according Shafia my wudu is valid so i can pray salat. very clearly its shows ur nafs has included in ur deen, u are trying to tend islam according to ur desires however islam means to leave desires but according to commandment.
    remember following desires open the door of Kufar for the person, so u may see how much its important issue. we must have to follow one fiiqa completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    But not everybody is able to study Islam in depth
    this is what a ppl like us, always keeps in mind. we have tooo little knowledge. and if i add more, after Hijjatul-widah, surah Nasar has been sent from ALLAH SWT. Muslims got happy by reading this that now ALLAH SWT has opened the door of islam for the people, but when Abubakar RA heard this surah, He start weeping. someone asked Y, He RA replied in this surah ALLAH SWT has given a clue that now work of Prophet PBUH to spread Islam is over, so now soon they will be parted from us.
    so not every one has that much Taqwa that he can just understand the exact meaning of quran and Hadith bu seeing translation. and start making their own opinions in Islam.

    Also we are not that much knowledgeable that we can judge that which this is clear in which mudhab other is second. all 4 iman are more knowledgeable than us, so we have to just follow.
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    Re: Mixing madhabs

    Quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    when we come into certain issue where evidence for other madhab is much stronger than the madhab's that we normally follow
    brother, how can we say this...how can we judge this....we have so little knowledge. i mean to judge or comment on four mudhab and judging that in certain issue which muddhab is more clear, U must have more Knowledge than the four imams. bcz to pass or fail , this is work of teacher. student cant judge what is correct or which is wrong. and if some student make such comment, surely they will be not acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    Personally I follow almost exclusively madhab syafii, but there are some areas where I think the other madhab is more correct. For example: in wudoo, syafii strictly dictates that wudoo is invalidated whenever I touch a non-mahram female skin, even by accident.
    Not only with non-mahram. Even if a husband has take wudhu and he touch his wife skin with skin, his wudhu is invalid. (In Shafi'i madhab)
    After learning from my ustadz and books that discussed the qur'an verses and ahadeeth that concern validity of wudoo and personal experiences such as tawaf in a very crowded tawaf area where I frequently inadvertently touch a woman's fingers and feet, I came to conclusion that the other madhabs is more correct in ruling that wudoo is not invalidated by accidental touchings of non-mahram without desires.
    Ulama from Shafi'i madhab have issued a fatwa, during tawaf, Shafi'i Muslim can turn from "masyhur" opinion (touch opposite gender skin invalidate wudhu absolutely) into "marjuh" opinion in Shafi'i madhab (accidental touching opposite gender skin without desiree does not invalidate wudhu).

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