Will the residents of paradise be white colored/fair skinned?

As well, what god decree's is the best is what I've been told.

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Originally Posted by Kiro

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ok this has little do with this thread but lately I have been thinking of language

When you go to a store that says, 'everything' we sell here are fruits and vegetables

but there are some chewing gum in the shop which you can buy.

I don't think it is a contradiction but more of a general statement of what primarily the shop is so I don't think it to contradict.

Allah knows best

What do you think?

Or maybe

If I went to England, when you enter, you will find people speak English. The people of England speak English. However, if one desired, he can learn more languages if he wishes.

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I see what you mean, but keep in mind, in Jannah those things are listed as the heigh/best in beauty while in this world for example, English is not considered the superior/best of languages, see what I mean?

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Originally Posted by TDWT

I've been thinking maybe one won't. I mean if people are in the best form, then why would you want anything less than the best?

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I don't think it will be less than the best.

In the hadiths related to Jannah, I have seen constant reference to it will be how you desire.

Like if you want a red camel than you will have a red camel. Maybe the Camels in Jannah aren't ordinarily red?

You won't be ordinarily a farmer but we know the hadith that if you want to have your previous occupation in Jannah than you can

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Originally Posted by TDWT

I see what you mean, but keep in mind, in Jannah those things are listed as the heigh/best in beauty while in this world for example, English is not considered the superior/best of languages, see what I mean?

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Yeah I don't that makes things less.

I really do think in Jannah, if you want meat or Chicken than you can but that doesn't stop you from having a chewing gum or a packet of crisp. It is Jannah. Your Jannah.

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Originally Posted by Kiro

Yeah I don't that makes things less.

I really do think in Jannah, if you want meat or Chicken than you can but that doesn't stop you from having a chewing gum or a packet of crisp. It is Jannah. Your Jannah.

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True, but the point I was saying is that maybe people won't want to change that in Jannah as those things in the hadith are specifically listed as the best form/height of beauty. I was saying, perhaps people won't desire to change color or age. For example, a woman in paradise won't desire more than her one husband, who will be seen as the most handsome and perfect to her and a man won't desire his co-wives according to tafsirs, see what I mean?

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Originally Posted by Kiro

I don't think it will be less than the best.

In the hadiths related to Jannah, I have seen constant reference to it will be how you desire.

Like if you want a red camel than you will have a red camel. Maybe the Camels in Jannah aren't ordinarily red?

You won't be ordinarily a farmer but we know the hadith that if you want to have your previous occupation in Jannah than you can

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Here for more examples:

In another hadith, in at-Tirmidhi, RasulAllah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam says, If someone in Jannah wants to have children, the pregnancy and the birth and the growth of the child will be immediate, as he wants. There is a difference of opinion on what this hadith means.


There are some scholars that say that obviously in Jannah, the spouses will enjoy each other, but there will not be any children involved. They say that the meaning of this hadith says that if the person wants this to happen, it will, but the person will not want it. This eliminates a lot of the confusion with questions such as – “If you can ask, can you ask to be elevated? And how far can you elevated?” So this hadith is saying if you were to, though you will not. You will not ask to be elevated to the highest rank in Jannah, because you know you do not deserve it; someone else does. In fact, if you were requested to go to a lower level, you would do so, because you will be having so much fun.


In the hadith of the last man to enter Jannah, there is a narration that says, when Allah gives him 10 times the world and everything in it, his two wives of hoor al ‘ayn will come to him and say, “Praise be to Allah, Who has bought you to us, finally.” When he hears that, he will say, “Allah subhaana wa ta’aala has blessed me and given me what He has not given anyone else!” He is so happy with what Allah has given him.

and from islamweb:

Here, it is suitable to refute equivocal what some people think and which are used to arousing it when they hear the above-mentioned verse. They say: 'This verse indicates that if a woman likes to have sex with another except her husband, Allah will help her to do so. We reply: 'It is not possible to find a woman (in Paradise) who likes to have sex with other than her husband'.
The following verse support, such an opinion:{Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands…** [55:56].
Ibn 'Abbas and others said: 'This verse means that women in Paradise lower their gaze except towards their husband. They do not see better than their husbands in Paradise' .
Allah knows best.

Just my two cents

And this as well:

such that even the person who has the least blessings in Paradise will think that he is the most blessed among them. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The lowest of people in status in Paradise will be a man whose face Allaah turns away from the Fire towards Paradise, and shows him a tree giving shade. He will say, ‘O Lord, bring me closer to that tree so that I may be in its shade… Then he will enter his house [in Paradise] and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn will come in and will say to him, ‘Praise be to Allaah who brought you to life for us and brought us to life for you.’ Then he will say, ‘No one has been given what I have been given.’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 275)

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Originally Posted by TDWT

And this as well:

such that even the person who has the least blessings in Paradise will think that he is the most blessed among them. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The lowest of people in status in Paradise will be a man whose face Allaah turns away from the Fire towards Paradise, and shows him a tree giving shade. He will say, ‘O Lord, bring me closer to that tree so that I may be in its shade… Then he will enter his house [in Paradise] and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn will come in and will say to him, ‘Praise be to Allaah who brought you to life for us and brought us to life for you.’ Then he will say, ‘No one has been given what I have been given.’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 275)

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I can see what you mean but I think there will be 'some' people that will ask things out from the norm

for example, I know of a hadith that a man who use to cultivate plants in Dunya, he will enjoy plants in Jannah

@TDWT

but really, I think we will see what we can do and what we cannot do if we get to Jannah

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Originally Posted by Kiro

I can see what you mean but I think there will be 'some' people that will ask things out from the norm

for example, I know of a hadith that a man who use to cultivate plants in Dunya, he will enjoy plants in Jannah

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I'm not saying anything about people asking things from the norm. I'm saying that people won't desire such things as they will be content with what they have and not desire anything else. The man gets to cultivate plants because he desired it. I am talking about people not desiring certain things in Jannah as they are satisfied with what they are given, get me?

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Originally Posted by TDWT

I'm not saying anything about people asking things from the norm. I'm saying that people won't desire such things as they will be content with what they have and not desire anything else. The man gets to cultivate plants because he desired it. I am talking about people not desiring certain things in Jannah as they are satisfied with what they are given, get me?

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So in Jannah, you don't think you will be able to like change your hair color?

Well the color of hair is not mentioned, so I think maybe yeah,

But the thing is for me, other things are explicitly stated as being in the best form, so as I said using the examples above and I have heard from responses that what god selects/decrees is the best, so people won't desire to change certain things as they will be content with it.

I need a scholarly response before I confirm anything @Huzaifah ibn Adam, Have scholars/ulema said anything about the topic I brought up/my view point?

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Originally Posted by TDWT

I need a scholarly response before I confirm anything @Huzaifah ibn Adam, Have scholars/ulema said anything about the topic I brought up/my view point?

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In the above posts. Ibn Adam agreed with me...

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Originally Posted by Kiro

In the above posts. Ibn Adam agreed with me...

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True, but now that I've brought up my point, let's see what he says as well as other scholarly views

I want to transform..... and have pitch black hair lol. :D I want to send ripples of gravitational pull as means of my presence.

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Originally Posted by Kiro

In the above posts. Ibn Adam agreed with me...

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Ibn-Adam is the respected admin of this good forum. You can refer to me simply as "Huzaifi", in short. (My nickname.)

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Originally Posted by TDWT

I need a scholarly response before I confirm anything @Huzaifah ibn Adam, Have scholars/ulema said anything about the topic I brought up/my view point?

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What you are saying is what the `Ulamaa generally say: YES, people can technically have other than what was mentioned, but they wouldn't want to because they already have the best.

However, as I have mentioned in other places, no `Aalim in the world right now has been to Jannah, and any `Aalim in the past who wrote about Jannah - at that time when he was writing about it, he had not yet gone there. So no one besides Allaah Ta`aalaa knows exactly what the Ahl-ul-Jannah will or will not have.

Again, that Hadeeth which Kiro mentioned is very relevant: the Sahaabi from the Ansaar who wanted to farm things in Jannah. He was told that he could do that if he wanted. Take note of the fact that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم did not say to him, "You can have it, but you won't want it."

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Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

What you are saying is what the `Ulamaa generally: YES, people can technically have other than what was mentioned, but they wouldn't want to because they already have the best.

However, as I have mentioned in other places, no `Aalim in the world right now has been to Jannah, and any `Aalim in the past who wrote about Jannah - at that time when he was writing about it, he had not yet gone there. So no one besides Allaah Ta`aalaa knows exactly what the Ahl-ul-Jannah will or will not have.

Again, that Hadeeth which Kiro mentioned is very relevant: the Sahaabi from the Ansaar who wanted to farm things in Jannah. He was told that he could do that if he wanted. Take note of the fact that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم did not say to him, "You can have it, but you won't want it."

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I just remembered.

You can have apples in Dunya.

You can also have apples in Jannah too. But those are the best versions of those.

So if you wanted to have straight hair in Jannah than it would be the best version/quality of straight hair.

I remember someone once asking Shaykh Anwar al-`Awlaqi if there will be Xbox in Jannah, and he said "Yes"...