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    Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah (OP)





    The Prophet said the follow regarding the taweez:

    It was narrated that ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever wears an amulet, may Allaah not fulfil his need, and whoever wears a sea-shell, may Allaah not give him peace.”

    (Narrated by Ahmad, 16951)


    It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him]. He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.

    (Narrated by Ahmad, 16969)


    They are haram in Islam. Details are available here: https://islamqa.info/en/10543

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    With that said, there are some scholars who have said that some taweez are halal and some are haram.

    Among them is Imam Ibn Taymiyya.

    In his fatwa, he said :

    Hanging or wearing of amulets (ta’wiz) is normally permissible for protection or healing provided certain conditions are met:

    1) That they consist of the names of Allah Almighty or his attributes;

    2) That they are in Arabic;

    3) That they do not consist of anything that is disbelief (kufr);

    4) The user does not believe the words have any affect in themselves, but are empowered to do so by Allah Most High.
    It is narrated from Amr ibn Shu’ayb, from his father, from his grandfather (Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Allah be pleased with them all), that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to teach them (the Sahabas) for fearful situations the following words:

    “I seek refuge in Allah’s perfect words from His wrath, the evil of his servants, the whispered insinuations of devils, and that they come to me”

    More can be read here: https://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot...-in-islam.html

    However, I'm willing to bet that 99% of the taweez do not meet those conditions. They have some sort of shirk involved. Look up taweez videos online and shaikhs opening up these taweezs given by so called maulanas exposing the haram in them.

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    So where does that leave us ?

    Shayhk Ibn Baaz sheds proper light on the matter:


    Q 3: What is the ruling on amulets consisting of words of the Qur'an or other things?

    A:Amulets made of elements other than the words of the Qur’an, such as bones, talismans, cowrie shells, wolf hair and the like are all evil and Haram (prohibited) by the Nas (Islamic text from the Qur’an or the Sunnah). It is not permissible to hang them on anybody or anything, because the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Anyone who wears an amulet, may Allah not fulfill it (i.e., their purpose) for them, and anyone who wears a cowrie shell, may Allah not give them peace. According to another narration, he (peace be upon him) said: Anyone who wears an amulet has committed Shirk (associated others with Allah in His Divinity or worship).


    On the other hand, if the amulets consist of words of the Qur’an or well-known good supplications, this is a controversial matter among the scholars. Some of them said that such amulets are permissible. This opinion was reported from a group of the Salaf (righteous predecessors) who likened it to reciting Qur’an and saying supplications over the sick seeking healing.


    Other scholars said that it is not permissible. This is the opinion known to be held by `Abdullah ibn Mas`ud andHudhayfah (may Allah be pleased with them), as well as a group of the Salaf and the Kalaf (righteous successors). They said that it is not permissible to tie amulets even if they are words of the Qur’an in compliance with the principle of Sadd-ul-Dhara’i` (blocking the means leading to sins) and to forestall acts of Shirk and act upon the general meaning of the Hadiths. The Hadiths that prohibit amulets are general and make no exception. Muslims should abide by the general ruling. Therefore, it is basically not permissible to use any kind of amulets so that people do not use other types of amulets, thus leading to confusing matters.

    (Part No. 1; Page No. 52)

    It is obligatory to prohibit all types of amulets. This is the soundest opinion for the obvious evidence supporting it.

    If we permit the use of amulets made from the Qur’an and good supplications, it will open the door for people to wear any form of amulets they like. Then, if they are reproved for what they do, they will say that they are amulets consisting of the Qur’an or good supplications. Consequently, the door will be opened, the cut will widen, and all types of amulets (whether words of the Qur’an or otherwise) will be worn.


    There is another reason for their prohibition, which is the fact that people may enter the bathroom and other unclean places while wearing them. It is well known that the Words of Allah are too sacred to be in such places, and it is inappropriate to take them into the bathroom.


    http://www.alifta.net/Fatawa/FatawaS...llowingHadith:
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    Who is faraz rabbani? Is he above ibn Baaz in scholarship?
    Assalaamu alaikum Aaj,


    (mildly) Perhaps you might want to look into who is this sheikh, and what he does.

    (gently) But more importantly, it is necessary to realize that this idea that there is only one way to interpret Allah's Will, and that all other interpretations throw a person outside the fold of Islam is a very modern way of understanding Islam. The vast majority of Muslims all through the history of Islam since the days of the Prophet (SAWS) have been respectful of differences of opinion, and indeed, have seen them as a source of richness in understanding God's Will.

    (gently) When the colonial powers came into Muslim lands, they killed many, many persons of knowledge. And then populations were vacuumed into modern factories of "learning", where they were taught the superiority of homogenization and mass production and consumption. (gently) And we Muslims, in our inculcated ignorance, started to apply these modern ideas to our deen, may Allah Forgive us and have Mercy on us.

    (gently) We need to reconnect with our roots, with the great streams of thought and culture from the past. (smile) Not just Muslims, but all peoples in this world today. What we call "westernization" has little to do with the traditional cultures of the so-called "West". It is a homogenizing non-culturally-based force that has been destroying the connections between us- all of us, everywhere in the world-, trying to make us into identical little "products", and consumers of products. (mildly) Everyone around the world is feeling this. Where I live in Québec, the local people feel this unease, and are led to believe that the problem is Muslims. And in other parts of the world, people are being led to believe that the problem is "the West". But these are just red herrings. The true problem is our alienation from our cultures, from one another, from creation, as we are mass produced into mindless consumers, our loss and emptiness making us perfect receptacles to crave filling with material goods.

    Modern mass-produced "Islam" is no different in this from mass-produced "pop culture". It is just as destructive and empty.

    (gently) We need to reconnect with our roots - all of us. Whether we have English or Inuit or Syrian or Mendinka or whatever roots (and we may have more than one stream... and this is a richness, too)... we need to rediscover the beauty of our cultures, and rediscover the appropriateness of our cultures for the places they were formed in. (gently) And if our ancestors have moved from those places, then we need to evaluate what is appropriate for where and when we are now... and what is not.

    And this needs to be done with our Islamic knowledge, too. Alhamdullillah, we do have some people of knowledge left who are connected with the past. (mildly) They may not have the backing of wealthy and influential persons and institutions... but they do exist. And we need to respect them, and learn from them. (gently) And we need to let go of the false security of mass-production... and open our hearts to the variety that God Created. (gently) He Created us different, so that we might learn and grow nearer to Him... that we might learn to worship Him to the very best of our capacities.

    (mildly) If persons of knowledge have differences of opinion as to how to understand Allah's Will... then they are just exerting themselves as they ought, enriching us with their dialogue and efforts. (mildly) And then we are all free to examine what they say and make our decisions. (mildly) Because at the end of the day, it is we ourselves who are going to be Judged for what we did. And this, according to our understandings and intentions.

    (smile) And as our great scholars of the past have said, after laying out their ideas... (my translation) however, only God truly Knows (والله أعلم).


    (smile) God Bless you Aaj, for caring enough to try to understand His Will. And may Allah, the Forgiving, the Gentle, have Mercy on us, and Help us to reconnect to our roots and to one another.
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    Assalaamu alaikum,

    (smile) Perhaps the following may be of help:

    Is it Permissible to Use Amulets to Deflect Evil Eye?

    SEPTEMBER 22, 2014 BY SEEKERSHUB ANSWERS
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    Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

    Question: Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

    Is it permissible to use amulets (i.e. hang) to deflect evil eye?

    Answer:Assalamu alaikum,

    It is permitted to use ta`wizes (amulets) as a means to protect oneself, while knowing that Allah is the only one who protects or benefits.

    In the Musannaf of Imam Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shayba, the permissibility of hanging a ta`wiz is reported from many of the Companions and early Muslims (Salaf), including:
    Sa`id ibn al-Musayyib, `Ata’, Mujahid, Abd Allah ibn `Amr, Ibn Sirin, `Abayd Allah ibn Abd Allah ibn `Umar, and others (Allah be well pleased with them all). [Musannaf, 5.439]

    As for that which is reported from some, including Ibn Mas`ud (Allah be pleased with him), that hanging ta`wizes is shikr, this is understood to mean those that resemble the one’s used in Jahiliyya, or if used thinking that it is the ta`wiz itself that cures or protects, not Allah, or if it contains impermissible invocations or one’s whose meaning is not known, as explained by Allama Abu Sa`id al-Khadimi in his al-Bariqa al-Mahmudiyya Sharh al-Tariqa al-Muhammadiyya. [4.171-172]

    In the Fatawa al-Hindiyya, one of the primary references in the Hanafi school, it says:

    “There is nothing wrong with hanging ta`wizes, but one should take them off before going to the toilet and before intercourse.” [5.356]

    In the Mawsu`a Fiqhiyya(Awqaf, Kuwait), it states that, the linguistic meaning of ta`wiz is derived from seeking protection or refuge. The type that is prohibited is the like the one’s used in pre-Islamic times, is a major sin and can even lead to disbelief. The type that is permitted according to the vast majority (jumhur) of the scholars is that which is made from the Words of Allah (Qur’an) or His Names, with the condition that the person not think that it has any effect by itself; rather, it protects or heals by the Will and Power of Allah.

    And Allah knows best.

    Wassalam,

    Faraz Rabbani

    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2014/09/22/is-it-permissible-to-use-amulets-i-e-hang-to-deflect-evil-eye/

    Assalamualaikum MuslimInshallah.

    Since you have active in forum for more than two years I can recognize your character. That's why I was surprised when seemed like you pro to taweez usage through posting what you have posted above. But then I remember that you are not from nation where taweez widely used. So I guess that you actualy don't know about taweez [smile].

    Taweez is not just a paper with Arabic letters written on it, like poster of Asmaul Husna or sticker of aayah Qursi that you can see on the wall in the Muslim houses. But taweez is storage media of supernatural power. Taweez can work only after it filled with ‘power’ by qualified taweez maker. Not every Muslim can fill taweez. To become qualified taweez maker someone must perform several rituals such as fasting for 40 days, perform special salah, recite zikir that can be one million times (it’s true), etc. The purpose of these rituals is to make this person has supernatural ability.

    The way to fill and activate a taweez is through recite dua which is combination of aayah and dua that usualy contain tawazul with Muslim figures in the past. Dua that recited are varies, depend on the purpose of this taweez. Yes, taweez is not multi purpose, but made with specific purpose. There is taweez to protect from jinn, there is taweez to make someone easy to get a job, or easy to get spouse, there is taweez to make a store get many buyers, there is taweez to help an athlete win sport competition, etc.

    Why people use taweez?. Its because they believe on the supernatural power of taweez. They believe in Allah, but they feel unsure if they just make dua. They need something powerful that they can carry with them, that can protect them or give them easiness to get what they want.

    This is a little information about taweez that I can tell you [smile].
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    Assalaamu alaikum Ardianto,


    (smile) No, I do not use such items. And it should be noted that the sheikh I quoted is also Canadian (alhamdullilah that we begin to have people of knowledge in Canada- may Allah Bless all those who are struggling to learn and share their learning!).

    It is interesting what you say about these amulets in Indonesia. I think, if you read the fatwa I quoted, you will see that the sheikh is neither giving a blanket endorsement nor a blanket rejection of people having things that help them feel more secure... for the simple reason that different people may do things differently, and understand things differently.

    (smile) I remember as a young woman, I was absolutely terrified of travelling by airplane. But it was necessary one day that I do so. To give me the strength I needed to overcome this fear, I took the copy of the Qur'an (with translation and tafseer) I had with me in my hand luggage- even though it was a rather heavy and bulky book! Of course, everything comes from God. And all that happens is by His Will. (smile) Nonetheless, having the Qur'an with me comforted me, as I held it on the plane.

    As I grew older, I no longer needed the physical copy of the Qur'an to reassure me. But I did acquire a little pendant with the word: Allah. And for quite a few years, I wore this constantly round my neck, as a reminder for me, and as a symbol of my identity as a Muslim. (smile) And yes, I also touched it when I was afraid.

    (smile) I no longer need anything. But I recognize that others may be like my younger self, and need something to reassure themselves sometimes. Does this mean I support the use of items to use as spells? No, definitely not. But I feel that rather than blindly condemning people and throwing them out of the House of Islam, it is necessary to look at others with a more complete understanding, and with... well, love. Our Ummah is in such a state of ignorance and dissension, we need to gently increase our own knowledge, and lovingly disseminate it. (mildly) Did not God, in the days of the Sahaba, teach us our Islam through His Prophet (SAWS) slowly and gently and kindly? And did this not bring great unity?


    May Allah, the Almighty, the Real, Strengthen us in our efforts to be kinder with one another.
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    Astagfirullah - you say taweez are netiher haraam nor halaal sister.

    Compromised opinions are not scholarly.

    From azc's favourite source, IslamQA - I do wonder why he ignores the following:

    The view that amulets are not allowed even if they contain words from the Qur’aan is the view of our shaykhs:

    The scholars of the Standing Committee said: The scholars are agreed that it is haraam to wear amulets if they contain anything other than Qur’aan, but they differed concerning those which do contain Qur’aan. Some of them said that wearing these is permitted, and others said that it is not permitted. The view that it is not permitted is more likely to be correct because of the general meaning of the ahaadeeth, and in order to prevent means of shirk.

    Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz,
    Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan,
    Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

    (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/212)

    Your brelwi scholars pale in comparison to these Shaykhs - and your brelwi scholars permit worship at graves.

    Bro, azc, wake up. Open your eyes.

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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    Astagfirullah - you say taweez are netiher haraam nor halaal sister.
    Maybe sister MuslimInshallah still cannot definite that taweez is halal or haram. But at least it's better than say halal or haram without knowledge.

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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    You don't have that knowledge, or sought it, clearly bro Ardianto. Neither has she, it is obvious by her posts.

    I have.

    For many MANY years and now I am learning Rukya Shariah also due to my interest.

    Taweez is NOT a part of rukya shariah.

    But destroying them is.

    Scimi




    shame on you who speak with no knowledge and promote the haraam thru your lack of understanding.
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    Those who wear taweez and justify it with "this cannot protect me but it is a means of protection because I believe in Allah and His revelation" have committed minor shirk.

    The Prophet pbuh said he feared for the Ummah the minor shirk, described it like a black ant crawling on a black stone on a moonless night - hard to detect.

    Y'all better recognise the application.

    Don't take my word for it.



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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    Silence of the sheep

    Scimi

    EDIT:

    Bro azc, what do you make of your opinion now after watching what the scholars have said about the issue?


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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by MuslimInshallah View Post
    Assalaamu alaikum Aaj,

    (gently) But more importantly, it is necessary to realize that this idea that there is only one way to interpret Allah's Will, and that all other interpretations throw a person outside the fold of Islam is a very modern way of understanding Islam. The vast majority of Muslims all through the history of Islam since the days of the Prophet (SAWS) have been respectful of differences of opinion, and indeed, have seen them as a source of richness in understanding God's Will.


    From your initial post and your response, it seems clear that you did not read the original post. Otherwise, you would have not accused me of promoting one way only and all other ways as haram.

    Let me share key point from the original post.


    " Other scholars said that it is not permissible. This is the opinion known to be held by `Abdullah ibn Mas`ud and Hudhayfah (may Allah be pleased with them), as well as a group of the Salaf and the Kalaf (righteous successors).

    It is obligatory to prohibit all types of amulets. This is the soundest opinion. "
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    Silence of the sheep ScimiEDIT:Bro azc, what do you make of your opinion now? After watching what the scholars have said about the issue - do you still foster your hindu opinion of taweez?Or will you now adopt the Muslim one?Scimi
    Quranic taweez is HALAL....... Which scholars you are talking about, bro.? I hardly trust modern age scholars....
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    Astagfirullah - you say taweez are netiher haraam nor halaal sister.Compromised opinions are not scholarly.From azc's favourite source, IslamQA - I do wonder why he ignores the following:The view that amulets are not allowed even if they contain words from the Qur’aan is the view of our shaykhs: The scholars of the Standing Committee said: The scholars are agreed that it is haraam to wear amulets if they contain anything other than Qur’aan, but they differed concerning those which do contain Qur’aan. Some of them said that wearing these is permitted, and others said that it is not permitted. The view that it is not permitted is more likely to be correct because of the general meaning of the ahaadeeth, and in order to prevent means of shirk. Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/212) Your brelwi scholars pale in comparison to these Shaykhs - and your brelwi scholars permit worship at graves.Bro, azc, wake up. Open your eyes. Don't be a fool.Scimi
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    You prefer to entertain that which is doubtful as permissible - got it.

    Way to go - naat.

    You've ignored all the points I bought up due to your inability to actually tackle those head on and instead you've tried to turn the discussion into waters that become even more muddier.


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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    You prefer to entertain that which is doubtful as permissible - got it.Way to go - naat.You've ignored all the points I bought up due to your inability to actually tackle those head on and instead you've tried to turn the discussion into waters that become even more muddier.Scimi
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    From your initial post and your response, it seems clear that you did not read the original post. Otherwise, you would have not accused me of promoting one way only and all other ways as haram.

    Assalaamu alaikum Aaj,


    (mildly) I was not referring to the OP, but to your post regarding the opinion given by the scholar from Seekershub, Faraz Rabbani. I myself know little about these things, but I searched for some clarity from a source that is reliable. I apologize if I hurt you.

    (mildly) And my post was not so much to you, but was exploring some ideas that I have been researching and thinking about of late- that of the rigidity in the modern era as contrasted to the flexibility that was the hallmark of Islam in traditional times. (pensively) Indeed, it is not just understandings of Islam that have been affected by this rigidity; it seems to be a feature of modernity. (smile) But these are thoughts in progress. Perhaps I am mistaken.


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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    Assalaamu alaikum Aaj,


    (mildly) I was not referring to the OP, but to your post regarding the opinion given by the scholar from Seekershub, Faraz Rabbani. I myself know little about these things, but I searched for some clarity from a source that is reliable. I apologize if I hurt you.

    (mildly) And my post was not so much to you, but was exploring some ideas that I have been researching and thinking about of late- that of the rigidity in the modern era as contrasted to the flexibility that was the hallmark of Islam in traditional times. (pensively) Indeed, it is not just understandings of Islam that have been affected by this rigidity; it seems to be a feature of modernity. (smile) But these are thoughts in progress. Perhaps I am mistaken.


    May Allah, the Merciful, Forgive us when we realize we have erred, and turn to Him with humble hearts.


    inshallah all is well.

    may Allah forgive us all and bless us with hidaya and understanding of the deen.
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    @Scimitar :
    You prefer to entertain that which is doubtful as permissible
    No, it's not doubtful. Actually demarcation of rulings are transgressed by some people and their followers whether they are pro taweez or anti taweez
    You've ignored all the points I bought up
    Which definitive evidence you gave..?....you need to understand how the ruling is established by jurists. What you quoted aren't related to the concerned issue explicitly. But you don't understand it
    due to your inability to actually tackle those head on and instead you've tried to turn the discussion into waters that become even more muddier
    No, it's the inability of the people to understand the issue in academic manner. I put tens of evidences to clarify each point of the matter. I clarified that tamimah and taweez both are different, I clarified that ahadith are related to tamimah, not to taweez. You people don't understand this that if fatwas of modern day scholars are accepted then sahaba ikram like Hz abdullah bin abbas ra, Hz abdullah bin umar ra, Hz a'isha siddiqa ra, Hz abdullah bin amr ra etc all other sahaba ikram ra who allowed others or wrote quranic taweez themselves will be declared (ma'azallah) as if they're involved in this haram practice...
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    @aaj :
    " Other scholars said that it is not permissible.
    which scholars...? None but modern age scholars
    This is the opinion known to be held by `Abdullah ibn Mas`ud and Hudhayfah (may Allah be pleased with them),
    Prove that both sahaba ikram DECLARED QURANIC TAWEEZ HARAM (quote original text, preferably scan page)
    as well as a group of the Salaf and the Kalaf (righteous successors)
    Prove it WHICH SALAF AND KHALAF DECLARED QURANIC TAWEEZ HARAM ...? (give evidence)
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    @aaj : which scholars...? None but modern age scholarsProve that both sahaba ikram DECLARED QURANIC TAWEEZ HARAM (quote original text, preferably scan page) Prove it WHICH SALAF AND KHALAF DECLARED QURANIC TAWEEZ HARAM ...? (give evidence)

    Since you can't let it go, this is haram and bidah. The hadith of the prophet supersedes ALL the proof and scholars you bring forth. The hadith is clear and general, meaning to includes ALL types of taweez.

    since you can't follow the jammah and the consensus of the scholars and the soundest opinion among the scholars and wants to go fatwa/scholar shopping till you find one that promotes your bidah.

    Prove to me the Prophet did this bidah
    Prove to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did this
    Prove to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet )
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    Since you can't let it go, this is haram and bidah. The hadith of the prophet supersedes ALL the proof and scholars you bring forth. The hadith is clear and general, meaning to includes ALL types of taweez.since you can't follow the jammah and the consensus of the scholars and the soundest opinion among the scholars and wants to go fatwa/scholar shopping till you find one that promotes your bidah.Prove to me the Prophet did this bidahProve to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did thisProve to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet )
    so you can't prove what you have claimed... It should be known to you that there was NO CONSENSUS OF SCHOLARS ON QURAN TAWEEZ BEING HARAM.... AND YOU CAN'T PROVE IT.... It also shows that you can't do academic discussion... the AHADITH WHICH HAVE BEEN QUOTED FOR ITS PROHIBITION CAN'T BE PROVEN AS AUTHENTIC... You have no deep knowledge of this issue...
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    Since you can't let it go, this is haram and bidah. The hadith of the prophet supersedes ALL the proof and scholars you bring forth. The hadith is clear and general, meaning to includes ALL types of taweez.

    since you can't follow the jammah and the consensus of the scholars and the soundest opinion among the scholars and wants to go fatwa/scholar shopping till you find one that promotes your bidah.

    Prove to me the Prophet did this bidah
    Prove to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did this
    Prove to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet )

    Assalaamu alaikum Aaj,

    (gently) Do you realize that you are issuing a fatwa yourself? Please be careful, because one who declares something haraam is taking a great burden upon him or herself. Because it is something that you will be held accountable for on the Day of Judgement. The people of knowledge have traditionally been very reluctant to declare things as haraam, because of this. This is why they speak of other categories (such as recommended or neutral or disliked), not just halal and haraam.

    Obviously, there is not a scholarly consensus on various different sorts of items that people may use to comfort themselves. And the proof of this is that there are different fatawa from different scholars in this topic. From what I have been able to understand, some forms are prohibited, but others are not.

    (mildly) Neither you nor I are scholars, Aaj. I honour your passion and devotion to your Lord, but we must be careful not to overstep into what might be harmful for us in the end. Can we not offer the different fatawa by the scholars we know of, and let them speak for themselves? (smile) Of course, we may find one opinion more compelling than another, and decide that we personally will abide by that one. But we can respect that another person may feel differently? (smile) Perhaps he or she is at another place in their journey towards Allah than ourselves? (mildly) Can we not be gentle with our believing brothers and sisters... even if they stumble?


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