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    Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah (OP)





    The Prophet said the follow regarding the taweez:

    It was narrated that ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever wears an amulet, may Allaah not fulfil his need, and whoever wears a sea-shell, may Allaah not give him peace.”

    (Narrated by Ahmad, 16951)


    It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him]. He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.

    (Narrated by Ahmad, 16969)


    They are haram in Islam. Details are available here: https://islamqa.info/en/10543

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    With that said, there are some scholars who have said that some taweez are halal and some are haram.

    Among them is Imam Ibn Taymiyya.

    In his fatwa, he said :

    Hanging or wearing of amulets (ta’wiz) is normally permissible for protection or healing provided certain conditions are met:

    1) That they consist of the names of Allah Almighty or his attributes;

    2) That they are in Arabic;

    3) That they do not consist of anything that is disbelief (kufr);

    4) The user does not believe the words have any affect in themselves, but are empowered to do so by Allah Most High.
    It is narrated from Amr ibn Shu’ayb, from his father, from his grandfather (Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Allah be pleased with them all), that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to teach them (the Sahabas) for fearful situations the following words:

    “I seek refuge in Allah’s perfect words from His wrath, the evil of his servants, the whispered insinuations of devils, and that they come to me”

    More can be read here: https://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot...-in-islam.html

    However, I'm willing to bet that 99% of the taweez do not meet those conditions. They have some sort of shirk involved. Look up taweez videos online and shaikhs opening up these taweezs given by so called maulanas exposing the haram in them.

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    So where does that leave us ?

    Shayhk Ibn Baaz sheds proper light on the matter:


    Q 3: What is the ruling on amulets consisting of words of the Qur'an or other things?

    A:Amulets made of elements other than the words of the Qur’an, such as bones, talismans, cowrie shells, wolf hair and the like are all evil and Haram (prohibited) by the Nas (Islamic text from the Qur’an or the Sunnah). It is not permissible to hang them on anybody or anything, because the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Anyone who wears an amulet, may Allah not fulfill it (i.e., their purpose) for them, and anyone who wears a cowrie shell, may Allah not give them peace. According to another narration, he (peace be upon him) said: Anyone who wears an amulet has committed Shirk (associated others with Allah in His Divinity or worship).


    On the other hand, if the amulets consist of words of the Qur’an or well-known good supplications, this is a controversial matter among the scholars. Some of them said that such amulets are permissible. This opinion was reported from a group of the Salaf (righteous predecessors) who likened it to reciting Qur’an and saying supplications over the sick seeking healing.


    Other scholars said that it is not permissible. This is the opinion known to be held by `Abdullah ibn Mas`ud andHudhayfah (may Allah be pleased with them), as well as a group of the Salaf and the Kalaf (righteous successors). They said that it is not permissible to tie amulets even if they are words of the Qur’an in compliance with the principle of Sadd-ul-Dhara’i` (blocking the means leading to sins) and to forestall acts of Shirk and act upon the general meaning of the Hadiths. The Hadiths that prohibit amulets are general and make no exception. Muslims should abide by the general ruling. Therefore, it is basically not permissible to use any kind of amulets so that people do not use other types of amulets, thus leading to confusing matters.

    (Part No. 1; Page No. 52)

    It is obligatory to prohibit all types of amulets. This is the soundest opinion for the obvious evidence supporting it.

    If we permit the use of amulets made from the Qur’an and good supplications, it will open the door for people to wear any form of amulets they like. Then, if they are reproved for what they do, they will say that they are amulets consisting of the Qur’an or good supplications. Consequently, the door will be opened, the cut will widen, and all types of amulets (whether words of the Qur’an or otherwise) will be worn.


    There is another reason for their prohibition, which is the fact that people may enter the bathroom and other unclean places while wearing them. It is well known that the Words of Allah are too sacred to be in such places, and it is inappropriate to take them into the bathroom.


    http://www.alifta.net/Fatawa/FatawaS...llowingHadith:
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    format_quote Originally Posted by MuslimInshallah View Post
    Assalaamu alaikum Aaj,

    (gently) Do you realize that you are issuing a fatwa yourself? Please be careful, because one who declares something haraam is taking a great burden upon him or herself.


    Thank you for pointing that out. I guess its not scholarly consensus as much as what is the soundest opinion among the scholars.


    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    so you can't prove what you have claimed... It should be known to you that there was NO CONSENSUS OF SCHOLARS ON QURAN TAWEEZ BEING HARAM.... AND YOU CAN'T PROVE IT.... It also shows that you can't do academic discussion... the AHADITH WHICH HAVE BEEN QUOTED FOR ITS PROHIBITION CAN'T BE PROVEN AS AUTHENTIC... You have no deep knowledge of this issue...
    Let me break it down for you once again.

    It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him]. He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 16969)

    This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 492.



    The scholars of the Standing Committee said:


    The scholars are agreed that it is haraam to wear amulets if they contain anything other than Qur’aan, but they differed concerning those which do contain Qur’aan. Some of them said that wearing these is permitted, and others said that it is not permitted. The view that it is not permitted is more likely to be correct because of the general meaning of the ahaadeeth, and in order to prevent means of shirk.


    Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood.

    (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/212)

    I left it at that for the readers, but you just don't want to let it go and continue to fight over this. So....


    Take all the scholars out of the equation. Go back to the original source. No scholar is above the prophet and the 4 righteous caliph that followed him. Unless you disagree?

    No?

    Then

    Prove to me the Prophet did this bidah
    Prove to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did this
    Prove to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet )

    I don't care which scholar said it's not allowed and which one said it's allowed. They are only students, their teachers are the ones above. Prove to me the teachers approved of this!
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    @aaj @Scimitar : see consensus of 4 madhab on this issue:.... According to Hz sh ibn Taimiyya rh: Quranic taweez is allowed... (Majmu al Fatawa : vol 19 : page 64-65) scan page

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    According to Hz Imam Ahmad bin hambal rh: Quranic taweez is allowed.(Za’ad ul Ma’ad : vol 4 : page 327)
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    According to Hz Imam Shafi'i rh: Quranic taweez is allowed(Fathul Baari : vol 6 : page 142) scan page:
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    According to Hz imam Malik rh.a: Quranic taweez is allowed...(Al Majmua : vol 2 page 84) scan page: magm02 page84 1 - Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    According to Hz Imam Abu Hanifa rh: Quranic taweez is allowed(Kitaab ul Aasaar : vol 2 : page 758) scan page: athar alshibany page769 1 - Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    @aaj @simi lar : see consensus of 4 madhab on this issue:.... According to Hz sh ibn Taimiyya rh: Quranic taweez is allowed... (Majmu al Fatawa : vol 19 : page 64-65) scan pagehttps://ulamaehaqulamaedeoband.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/mfsiaitm19_page65.pngAccording to Hz Imam Ahmad bin hambal rh: Quranic taweez is allowed.(Za’ad ul Ma’ad : vol 4 : page 327)scan pagehttps://ulamaehaqulamaedeoband.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/04_37675_page327.pngAccording to Hz Imam Shafi'i rh: Quranic taweez is allowed(Fathul Baari : vol 6 : page 142) scan page: https://ulamaehaqulamaedeoband.files...2.pngAccording to Hz imam Malik rh.a: Quranic taweez is allowed...(Al Majmua : vol 2 page 84) scan page: https://ulamaehaqulamaedeoband.files...4.pngAccording to Hz Imam Abu Hanifa rh: Quranic taweez is allowed(Kitaab ul Aasaar : vol 2 : page 758) scan page: https://ulamaehaqulamaedeoband.files...ny_page769.png
    Like I said,

    Prove to me the Prophet did this bidah
    Prove to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did this
    Prove to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet NOT the scholars or madhabs)

    I don't care which scholar said it's not allowed and which one said it's allowed. They are only students, their teachers are the ones above. Prove to me the teachers approved of this!
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    Since you can't let it go, this is haram and bidah. The hadith of the prophet supersedes ALL the proof and scholars you bring forth. The hadith is clear and general, meaning to includes ALL types of taweez.since you can't follow the jammah and the consensus of the scholars and the soundest opinion among the scholars and wants to go fatwa/scholar shopping till you find one that promotes your bidah.Prove to me the Prophet did this bidahProve to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did thisProve to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet )
    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    Thank you for pointing that out. I guess its not scholarly consensus as much as what is the soundest opinion among the scholars.Let me break it down for you once again. It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him]. He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 16969) This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 492. The scholars of the Standing Committee said: The scholars are agreed that it is haraam to wear amulets if they contain anything other than Qur’aan, but they differed concerning those which do contain Qur’aan. Some of them said that wearing these is permitted, and others said that it is not permitted. The view that it is not permitted is more likely to be correct because of the general meaning of the ahaadeeth, and in order to prevent means of shirk. Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/212) I left it at that for the readers, but you just don't want to let it go and continue to fight over this. So....Take all the scholars out of the equation. Go back to the original source. No scholar is above the prophet and the 4 righteous caliph that followed him. Unless you disagree? No? ThenProve to me the Prophet did this bidahProve to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did thisProve to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet )I don't care which scholar said it's not allowed and which one said it's allowed. They are only students, their teachers are the ones above. Prove to me the teachers approved of this!
    what I'm saying to you again and again that NO SCHOLAR FROM SALAF OR KHALAF DECLARED QURANIC TAWEEZ AS HARAM.... ONLY MODERN AGE SCHOLARS CLAIM THIS LIKE SH ALBANI, SH IBN BAAZ, SH UTHAIMEEN ETC it means only a set of scholars of this age is going against the CONSENSUS OF UMMAH...
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    @aaj :Prove the authenticity of ahadith by the statement of a'imma of ilm arrijal... I don't accept sh albani as one of them... Sorry... For your information ''Ibn Lahiya'' is the narrator of all these ahadith and HE WAS A WEAK NARRATOR.... Write the chain of narrator...
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    Like I said,Prove to me the Prophet did this bidahProve to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did thisProve to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet NOT the scholars or madhabs)I don't care which scholar said it's not allowed and which one said it's allowed. They are only students, their teachers are the ones above. Prove to me the teachers approved of this!
    It proves you a brainwashed and a blind follower of your OWN scholars as if ONLY THEY KNOW THE HADITH and REST ALL SCHOLARS OF THIS UMMAH, 4 IMAMS, MUHADDISIN EVEN HZ SAHABA IKRAM RA COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE RATHER PERMITTED SHIRK AND DID SHIRK THEMSELVES BY WRITING QURAN TAWEEZ. (Ma'azAllah)... May Allah swt give you sound mind and sound knowledge. Ameen
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    @aaj :Prove the authenticity of ahadith by the statement of a'imma of ilm arrijal... I don't accept sh albani as one of them... Sorry... For your information ''Ibn Lahiya'' is the narrator of all these ahadith and HE WAS A WEAK NARRATOR.... Write the chain of narrator...
    No scholar disputed sh albhani saying it's a sahih hadith. You are going to deny a sahih hadith now because you don't accept from a scholar? who happens to among the knowledgeable and respected scholars?

    and you accuse others of blind following and brain washing? rather then the following the soundest opinion?

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    what I'm saying you again and again that NO SCHOLAR FROM SALAF OR KHALAF DECLARED TAWEEZ AS HARAM.... ONLY MODERN AGE SCHOLARS CLAIM THIS LIKE SH ALBANI, SH IBN BAAZ, SH UTHAIMEEN ETC it means only a set of scholars of this age is going against the CONSENSUS OF UMMAH...
    First of all, there is NO consensus of the Ummah.

    Secondly, sh uthaymeen and all the scholars you have been quoting are MODERN age scholars. So why are you crying about modern age scholars ?

    thirdly, the no salaf or khalaf declared taweez as haram is a LIE. Do you even bother reading what we share here?

    This was the view of Ibn Mas’ood and Ibn ‘Abbaas, and is the apparent meaning of the view of Hudhayfah, ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir and Ibn ‘Akeem (may Allaah be pleased with him).

    This was also the view of a group of the Taabi’een, including the companions of Ibn Mas’ood and Ahmad, according to one report which was chosen by most of his companions.

    There!

    Not just salaf but the sahabah and uncle of the Prophet and the taabieen. The first 3 generations, regarded as the BEST of this ummah.

    Now stop whining like kid and avoiding my request.


    Prove to me the Prophet did this bidah
    Prove to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did this
    Prove to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet NOT the scholars or madhabs)
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    No scholar disputed sh albhani saying it's a sahih hadith. You are going to deny a sahih hadith now because you don't accept from a scholar? who happens to among the knowledgeable and respected scholars? and you accuse others of blind following and brain washing? rather then the following the soundest opinion? First of all, there is NO consensus of the Ummah. Secondly, sh uthaymeen and all the scholars you have been quoting are MODERN age scholars. So why are you crying about modern age scholars ? thirdly, the salaf or khalaf declared taweez as haram is a LIE. Do you even bother reading what we share here? This was the view of Ibn Mas’ood and Ibn ‘Abbaas, and is the apparent meaning of the view of Hudhayfah, ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir and Ibn ‘Akeem (may Allaah be pleased with him). This was also the view of a group of the Taabi’een, including the companions of Ibn Mas’ood and Ahmad, according to one report which was chosen by most of his companions. There! Not just salaf but the sahabah and uncle of the Prophet and the taabieen. The first 3 generations, regarded as the BEST of this ummah. Now stop whining like kid and avoiding my request. Prove to me the Prophet did this bidahProve to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did thisProve to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet NOT the scholars or madhabs)
    You are proving nothing... Just writtin isn't enough... Sh albani is not reliable for non salafis... And I'm not a salafi... Since you are regurgating the same stuff without proving anything... So I take one by one... The ahadith you've quoted write their ''full Sanad''...
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    You are proving nothing... Just writtin isn't enough... Sh albani is not reliable for non salafis... And I'm not a salafi... Since you are regurgating the same stuff without proving anything... So I take one by one... The ahadith you've quoted write their ''full Sanad''...
    Like I said, forget all the scholars.

    Prove to me the Prophet did this bidah
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    Prove to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet NOT the scholars or madhabs)
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    I think this thread has been discussed a bit long and both views have been posted on the board..... Now the members can conclude which is the correct view ...............Topic is over.
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    @aaj : No, brother, this is not the correct way of academic discussion where we, without being biased, can learn from each other. I asked you for chains of narrators of hadith but you couldn't give,.... so I, being your brother in Islam, wish to help you. E.g. Hadith of Hazrat Abdullah Ibn Okaim Rz. It is transmitted through different chains: Now see one ravi is Ibn Laila who is the main narrator of all the chains and he is weak you can see in taqreeb, tehzeeb, meezan, al kamal etc books of rijal. You may confirm it. Don't trust me or anybody else until you verify his status in narrating a hadith..... Now the thread has been discussed a bit long..... So I rest this discussion.... Wassalam....... Imam Ahmed Rh. — > Muhammed ibn Jafer Rh. — > Shoba Rh. — > Muhammed Yaani Ibn Abi Laila Rh. – > Isaa Rh. — > Abdullah Ibn Okaim Rh. — > Prophet SAW.(Musnad e Ahmed : vol 31 : page 81).........Imam Haakim Rh. — > Abul Abbas Muhammed bin Ahmed Al Mahboobi Rh. — > Saeed bin Masood Rh. — > Ubaidullah bin Musa Rh. — > Ibn Abi Laila Rh. – > Isa Rh. — > Abdullah Ibn Okaim Rh. — > Huzur SAW.(Mustadrak Al Haakim : vol 4 : page 341) .........Imam Tirmizi Rh. — > Muhammed Ibn Madduwai Rh. — > Ubaidullah bin Musa Rh. — >Muhammed bin Abdur rehman Bin Abi Laila Rh. — > Isaa Rh. — > Abdullah bin Okaim Rh. — > Huzur SAW.(Sunan e Tirmizi : vol 4 : page 403)
    No brother, don't even bother. You who accuse others of "brainwashed and a blind follower of your OWN scholars" and yet refuse to listen to any other scholars besides the one that support your bidah. You who refuse to believe sahih hadith because they are not from YOUR scholars and you refuse to follow the SOUNDEST and most CORRECT opinion is going to talk to me about correct way of academic discussion?

    No, I don't want an academic discussion. you and I are not scholars to debate on this. I told you before, the sahabas differed on this, the taa'bien differed on this and the scholars differed on this with scholars stating what is most sound opinion and I left it there. But you have been blindly adamant about promoting it as something halal and not letting it go, and yet REFUSE to answer the 3 simple requests and continue to ignore them. I follow the Quran and the Sunnah Inshallah, regardless of which scholar brings it to me. If it is sahih and authentic and is the soundest opinion then that is what I follow. You are lost and if that is where you want to be then we have nothing further to discuss.

    And if you can't do the following then we're done here.

    Like I said, forget all the scholars.

    Prove to me the Prophet did this bidah
    Prove to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did this
    Prove to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet NOT the scholars or madhabs)
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    No brother, don't even bother. You who accuse others of "brainwashed and a blind follower of your OWN scholars" and yet refuse to listen to any other scholars besides the one that support your bidah. You who refuse to believe sahih hadith because they are not from YOUR scholars and you refuse to follow the SOUNDEST and most CORRECT opinion is going to talk to me about correct way of academic discussion? No, I don't want an academic discussion. you and I are not scholars to debate on this. I told you before, the sahabas differed on this, the taa'bien differed on this and the scholars differed on this with scholars stating what is most sound opinion and I left it there. But you have been blindly adamant about promoting it as something halal and not letting it go, and yet REFUSE to answer the 3 simple requests and continue to ignore them. I follow the Quran and the Sunnah Inshallah, regardless of which scholar brings it to me. If it is sahih and authentic and is the soundest opinion then that is what I follow. You are lost and if that is where you want to be then we have nothing further to discuss. And if you can't do the following then we're done here. Like I said, forget all the scholars.Prove to me the Prophet did this bidahProve to me the 4 righteous caliphs that came after him did thisProve to me this is part of the sunnah (FYI, sunnah is the actions and sayings of the Prophet NOT the scholars or madhabs)
    regurgating the same stuff is of no use. You have put your views on the board and I've done mine...... So Now let the other members decide which is the correct view.......
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    regurgating the same stuff is of no use. You have put your views on the board and I've done mine...... So Now let the other members decide which is the correct view.......
    No, I put BOTH views OF the scholars on the board. You brought your deoband and braveli scholars.

    This is not a game. members don't decide which is the correct view. The scholars have stated which is the most correct view. yet you fail to pay heed.

    And you failed to prove it is part of the Sunnah or something the Prophet and the the 4 Righteous Caliphs condoned, repeatedly choosing to ignore the request.
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    What about Jawshan? I remember a narration that the Prophet Aleyhisselam wore it in a battle, though not sure of the authenticity
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

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    Assalaamu alaikum Aaj,


    (mildly) I was not referring to the OP, but to your post regarding the opinion given by the scholar from Seekershub, Faraz Rabbani. I myself know little about these things, but I searched for some clarity from a source that is reliable. I apologize if I hurt you.

    (mildly) And my post was not so much to you, but was exploring some ideas that I have been researching and thinking about of late- that of the rigidity in the modern era as contrasted to the flexibility that was the hallmark of Islam in traditional times. (pensively) Indeed, it is not just understandings of Islam that have been affected by this rigidity; it seems to be a feature of modernity. (smile) But these are thoughts in progress. Perhaps I am mistaken.


    May Allah, the Merciful, Forgive us when we realize we have erred, and turn to Him with humble hearts.
    He believes it is permissible to ask the dead for help [istighaatha]. Are you sure you would want to take "guidance" from him on any matter?
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    What about Jawshan? I remember a narration that the Prophet Aleyhisselam wore it in a battle, though not sure of the authenticity
    Subhaan Allaah. Just yesterday I stumbled upon that and was reading about it. It is a Shia invention. Fabricated and falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam).

    https://islamqa.info/en/105378

    http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...waId&Id=116232
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    He believes it is permissible to ask the dead for help [istighaatha]. Are you sure you would want to take "guidance" from him on any matter?
    Assalaamu alaikum Zeeshan,


    (mildly) If you want to reference things he has said, then why not quote him (with source), along with any explanations for what he is saying, so that we can better understand what is his position? And then, if you feel that his opinions are incorrect, you could offer another scholar's perspective (with source), and his/her reasoning.

    (smile) In this way, we can all learn more on this topic, inshAllah, in a manner that is, I believe, more pleasing to Allah.


    May God, the Gentle, Guide us to goodness towards one another as we sincerely strive to understand His Will.
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by MuslimInshallah View Post
    Assalaamu alaikum Zeeshan,


    (mildly) If you want to reference things he has said, then why not quote him (with source), along with any explanations for what he is saying, so that we can better understand what is his position? And then, if you feel that his opinions are incorrect, you could offer another scholar's perspective (with source), and his/her reasoning.

    (smile) In this way, we can all learn more on this topic, inshAllah, in a manner that is, I believe, more pleasing to Allah.


    May God, the Gentle, Guide us to goodness towards one another as we sincerely strive to understand His Will.
    So, you are admitting you do not know of his position of istighaatha?

    Oh don't worry about quoting. Anyone who knows me knows Ill bring quotes for the Arabic, let alone English, someone else puts up. That is what I do.

    I just want to know if you are ignorant of his positions and yet follow him?

    Are you?
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by MuslimInshallah View Post
    Assalaamu alaikum Zeeshan,


    (mildly) If you want to reference things he has said, then why not quote him (with source), along with any explanations for what he is saying, so that we can better understand what is his position? And then, if you feel that his opinions are incorrect, you could offer another scholar's perspective (with source), and his/her reasoning.

    (smile) In this way, we can all learn more on this topic, inshAllah, in a manner that is, I believe, more pleasing to Allah.


    May God, the Gentle, Guide us to goodness towards one another as we sincerely strive to understand His Will.
    What exactly do you mean by understanding His Will?

    You think us humans with our knowledge which is like a drop in an ocean - not even that - to His will ever be able to encompass His Will or anything other than what He Himself tells us?
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    Re: Taweez (Amulets) in light of the Quran and Sunnah

    format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    What exactly do you mean by understanding His Will?You think us humans with our knowledge which is like a drop in an ocean - not even that - to His will ever be able to encompass His Will or anything other than what He Himself tells us?
    bro, will you see what she has asked for in her post. Thanks
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