Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT

Here's the thing, it's explicitly says 'all non muslims go to hell' it's been like that for centuries

There are treatises to which you should pay attention and read when you have the time InshaAllah (God-willing) as I think they'll be helpful to you understanding the matter more comprehensively and not in the one-dimensional manner you seem to now:

Who are the Disbelievers? (PDF)

Muslim Scholarly Discussions on Salvation And The Fate of 'Others' (PDF)

Where's the Mercy? (Blog Article)

By the way, I don't think it's ever been true or understood that all non-Muslims go to Hell; on the contrary, I think it's always been understood that there are exceptions as informed by the Qur'an and the Sunnah (prophetic footsteps) and ahadith (prophetic traditions) such as examples of the deaf person, the person who was born in the time wherein there were no messengers, the time wherein the person was too old or senile to appreciate the message, the person who was mentally incompetent or insane. Of course, scholars have understood differently as to whom we believe will be recipient of Allah's Mercy as to salvation from the non-Muslims in these categories. The time wherein no messengers were sent are the category to which we're referring to when we wonder or speculate on what the fate of non-Muslims who hear a distorted message of Islam today will be judged. No human being, scholars included, can even say from a certainty as to anyone's (including modern-day non-Muslims') fate.

(And peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth

Have you read every available translation with tafsir? Do you think that somebody like Mother Teresa would go to hell? Do you believe Allah is whimsical and doesn't look beyond the Muslim declaration of faith?

Those are questions for you to reflect upon, I do not wish to debate these things. Allah has 99 beautiful names, study them properly and then re-think your stance. He doesn't just punish, he also forgives, understands, listens, loves, created justice and so much more.


You have to work on your belief and understanding of your faith. Stop worrying about everyone else until you have your own issues figured out. That's my advice.

Islamically, from everything I have read, yes mother teresa will go to hell due to being christians. Also, there is a hadith that says those who never did any good(i.e muslims), will end up going to heaven due to declaration of faith after hell

format_quote Originally Posted by Search

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



There are treatises to which you should pay attention and read when you have the time InshaAllah (God-willing) as I think they'll be helpful to you understanding the matter more comprehensively and not in the one-dimensional manner you seem to now:

Who are the Disbelievers? (PDF)

Muslim Scholarly Discussions on Salvation And The Fate of 'Others' (PDF)

Where's the Mercy? (Blog Article)

By the way, I don't think it's ever been true or understood that all non-Muslims go to Hell; on the contrary, I think it's always been understood that there are exceptions as informed by the Qur'an and the Sunnah (prophetic footsteps) and ahadith (prophetic traditions) such as examples of the deaf person, the person who was born in the time wherein there were no messengers, the time wherein the person was too old or senile to appreciate the message, the person who was mentally incompetent or insane. Of course, scholars have understood differently as to whom we believe will be recipient of Allah's Mercy as to salvation from the non-Muslims in these categories. The time wherein no messengers were sent are the category to which we're referring to when we wonder or speculate on what the fate of non-Muslims who hear a distorted message of Islam today will be judged. No human being, scholars included, can even say from a certainty as to anyone's (including modern-day non-Muslims') fate.

(And peace be upon you)

Ok, looked through the second one, I'm confused, was the author saying hell isn't eternal?

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT

Islamically, from everything I have read, yes mother teresa will go to hell due to being christians. Also, there is a hadith that says those who never did any good(i.e muslims), will end up going to heaven due to declaration of faith after hell

Brother, you're incorrect. You are not allowed as a Muslim to say whether Mother Teresa will go to Hell or Heaven because you have no knowledge of her fate. Her case is with Allah. Read the fatwa (ruling): "Saying that specific people are going to Paradise or Hell." IslamQA fatwa is from a conservative literalist Islamic site, and even that fatwa site holds that you're as a Muslim not allowed to say anything specific about a specific person's fate.

Your second statement is correct. Muslims who held on to their shahada (testimony of faith) and died on the shahada, even if they are sinners, will be eventually freed from Hell; but the truth is that no one knows the length or breadth of their sentence while they do reside in Hell. As to why a sinful Muslim will eventually be freed from the Fire is because shahada is counted as both a good intention and a good deed, and if the Muslim is sincere in either, then this one item is enough to weigh heavily against the balance of a lifetime of bad deeds to incur them enough Mercy for a lesser sentence in an abode of eternal punishment.

Remember Allah is holding us to account for our actions and intentions. And intentions specifically are the arbiter between punishment and mercy, sentencing and freedom, and hell and paradise. Allah knows what our subconscious and conscious intentions are, and Allah judges based on them our temporal and perpetual intentions, and then adjudicates our fate accordingly.

(And peace be upon you)

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT

Ok, looked through the second one, I'm confused, was the author saying hell isn't eternal?

Brother, I'm not sure I understand your question. The second treatise is a dissertation, and it's discussing different scholars' views on salvation of non-Muslims.

(And peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by Search

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



Brother, I'm not sure I understand your question. The second treatise is a dissertation, and it's discussing different scholars' views on salvation of non-Muslims.

(And peace be upon you)

Yes, I read it, some of them argued it appears that hell is not eternal, so I am confused, what is your thought?

format_quote Originally Posted by Search

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



I believe that some people will go to Hell just as some people will go to Paradise. As to whether each abode is eternal, I believe each abode is.

I do not, however, believe that specific punishment therein of human beings is eternal because of the hadith (prophetic tradition) to the effect of something in which Allah has emphatically declared, "My mercy overcomes my wrath." And Allah knows best.

The exact words from the hadith (prophetic tradition) are the following: “When Allah decreed the creation, He wrote in his book with Him on His Throne: My mercy prevails over My wrath” (Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3022, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2751).

Having said this, I do emphasize I do not know more than that nor would I wish to speculate further on this subject matter as the fundamental truth is that I do not know best and Allah knows best and also I know nothing and Allah knows everything.

(And peace be upon you)

Specific punishments? What do you mean?

Second, when I said mother teresa, I meant in general, according to islamic thought, she will enter hell as she was non muslim, i have heard judge by the apparent, and most says judge she will go to hell.

Third, thing is, if a non muslim has the opportunity to learn and don't do it, they will be held accountable as is the case with many of them today as you know due to communication.

I am not taking about those who never heard of it, I mean of those who have heard some of it but don't believe

(In the Name fo God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT

Specific punishments? What do you mean?

I mean specific punishments that Allah has decreed for them in the Fire. I believe these specific decreed punishments will end because of the hadith (prophetic tradition) I gave unequivocally indicative of Allah's Mercy encompassing everything. That said, this is a personal opinion.

Second, when I said mother teresa, I meant in general, according to islamic thought, she will enter hell as she was non muslim, i have heard judge by the apparent, and most says judge she will go to hell.

Okay. Now, I understand you were saying the statement in general terms. Still, that is an inappropriate statement to make for two reasons:
1) For example, you're allowed to say that a person who died associating partners with Allah like some modern Christians do can be a reason for them to enter the Fire. Yet you cannot point at specific non-Muslims or Muslims as being in Hell or Paradise unless you've been specifically informed. For example, we know that Pharaoh is destined for the Fire. We also know that Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) is destined for Paradise. However, for all others whose fate we have not been divinely or prophetically informed, we cannot.
2) None can surmise any human beings' intentions and heart and last moments because Allah's power can reach anyone before death to make them Muslim. Therefore, it is not from adab (Islamic etiquette) to judge any human being, especially those who are dead and cannot defend themselves. That is why it is simply best to case their case rests with Allah.

Third, thing is, if a non muslim has the opportunity to learn and don't do it, they will be held accountable as is the case with many of them today as you know due to communication.

Perhaps. However, the One judging as to what degree a person should have taken initiative in learning and to degree what the opportunity open to them was will be judged by Allah, not us. And scholars can also only speculate on this subject as they themselves have no knowledge in this subject as it falls outside of the Seen realm and is part of the Unseen realm and Unseen knowledge of which we've not been informed. All we know from the Qur'an is that Allah will do no one an injustice worth even an atom's weight.

I am not taking about those who never heard of it, I mean of those who have heard some of it but don't believe

We do not know. Allah knows.

(And peace be upon you)

@ZeeshanParvez, thoughts?

(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT

Earlier, on you mentioned islamqa, what are your views on it? As well, you said you are not salafi, what are you then?

I do not have a high opinion of IslamQA. I have already mentioned the reasons for this in this thread and in the PM you've sent me as well.

I'm Sunni and consider myself part of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. All schools of thought, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi, and Hanabali are valid. I just picked Hanafi for myself when I was deciding which Islamic school of thought to follow at the beginning stages of Islam because it's the methodological school of thought to which I had most ease of access in terms of both real life scholars and online fatwa (ruling) sites (and I'd been informed that ease of access should determine what school of thought a person chooses to follow so as to know what ruling applies in Islamic jurisprudence for everyday matters). And I am a strong proponent and adherent of tasawwuf (Islamic spirituality).

In the very beginning, when I was very new to Islam, I was unknowingly following Salafism, but I checked and corrected myself when I recognized that as I did not accept the literalist conservative fundamentalist view on specific subjects within Islam and many times what I perceived as an intolerant and simplistic understanding of Islam. Please note this is a personal experience and this can in no way said to be reflective of others' understandings or experience.

(And peace be upon you)

format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT

Islamically, from everything I have read, yes mother teresa will go to hell due to being christians. Also, there is a hadith that says those who never did any good(i.e muslims), will end up going to heaven due to declaration of faith after hell

Where have you read this? So what you are saying is that we can just sit and do nothing and we'll go to heaven, but other from other faiths who spend their entire lives doing good will go to hellfire? Don't you know the hadeeth about the prostitute who gave a dog water and went to Jannah? There are many instances like these. It's a shame that this is how little many people think of Allah(swt), the most forgiving, the most compassionate and the only one who can see everyone's hearts and intentions. I think you should further your studies and try to understand Islam for what it really is.

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

{"Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islaam) from the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and the Mushrikoon (polytheists) will be in the fire of Jahannam for all eternity. They are the worst of created beings."}
[Soorah al-Bayyinah, 98:6]

{"And whoever seeks a Deen other than Islaam, it will never be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be from the losers."} [Soorah Aal-e-`Imraan, 3:85]

{"And those who expect not for a Meeting with Us (i.e. those who deny the Day of Resurrection and the life of the Hereafter), say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or why do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they thought too highly of themselves, and were scornful with great pride.

On the Day they will see the angels, no glad tidings will there be for the Mujrimoon (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) that day. And they (angels) will say: "All kinds of glad tidings are forbidden for you," [None will be allowed to enter Paradise except the one who said: Laa ilaaha Illallaah, "(there is no God but Allaah) and acted practically on its legal orders and obligations].

And We shall turn to whatever deeds they (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) did, and We shall make such deeds as scattered floating particles of dust.

The dwellers of Paradise (i.e. those who deserved it through their Faith and righteousness) will, on that Day, have the best abode, and have the fairest of places for repose."} [Soorah al-Furqaan, 25:21-24]

{"Do then those who disbelieve think that they can take My slaves [i.e., the angels, Allaah's Messengers, `Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), etc.] as Auliyaa (lords, gods, protectors, etc.) besides Me? Verily, We have prepared Hell for the disbelievers as their entertainment.

Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of (their) deeds?

"Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds!

"They are those who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord and the Meeting with Him (in the Hereafter). So their works are in vain, and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall not give them any weight.

"That shall be their recompense, Hell; because they disbelieved and took My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and My Messengers by way of jest and mockery."} [Soorah al-Kahf, 18:102-106]

{"Has there come to you the narration of the overwhelming (i.e. the Day of Resurrection);

Some faces, that Day, will be humiliated (in the Hell-fire, i.e. the faces of all disbelievers, Jews and Christians, etc.).

Labouring (hard in the worldly life by worshipping others besides Allah), weary (in the Hereafter with humility and disgrace) .

They will enter in the hot blazing Fire."} [Soorah al-Ghaashiyah, 88:1-4]

Commenting on these Aayaat in his Tafseer, `Allaamah ibn Katheer رحمة الله عليه writes:

وَقَالَ الْحَافِظُ أَبُو بَكْرٍ الْبَرْقَانِيُّ: حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ المُزَكّى، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ السَّرَّاجُ، حَدَّثَنَا هَارُونُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سَيَّارٌ (1) حَدَّثَنَا جَعْفَرٌ قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عِمْرَانَ الجَوني يَقُولُ: مَرَّ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ، رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ، بِدَيْرِ رَاهِبٍ، قَالَ: فَنَادَاهُ: يَا رَاهِبُ [يَا رَاهِبُ] (2) فَأَشْرَفَ. قَالَ: فَجَعَلَ عُمَرُ يَنْظُرُ إِلَيْهِ وَيَبْكِي. فَقِيلَ لَهُ: يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، مَا يُبْكِيكَ مِنْ هَذَا؟ قَالَ: ذَكَرْتُ قَوْلَ اللَّهِ، عَزَّ وَجَلَّ فِي كِتَابِهِ: {عَامِلَةٌ نَاصِبَةٌ تَصْلَى نَارًا حَامِيَةً} فَذَاكَ الَّذِي أَبْكَانِي

The Hadeeth master, Abu Bakr al-Barqaani said: Ibraaheem ibn Muhammad al-Muzakki narrated to us: Muhammad ibn Is-haaq as-Sarraaj narrated to us: Haaroon ibn `Abdillaah narrated to us: Sayyaar narrated to us: Ja`far narrated to us, saying: I heard Abu `Imraan al-Jawni saying: `Umar ibn al-Khattaab رضي الله عنه passed by the monastery of a monk, so he called out to him saying, "O Raahib (monk)!" So the monk came out. When `Umar saw him, he wept. He was asked: "O Commander of the Believers, what of this has caused you to weep?" He said: "I remembered the Word of Allaah `Azza wa Jall in His Kitaab:

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"Labouring (hard in the worldly life by worshipping others besides Allah), weary (in the Hereafter with humility and disgrace)."

That is what caused me to weep." [Tafseer ibn Katheer.]

So that monk, despite having devoted his entire life to worship, staying away from sin, not harming anybody, it would not benefit him because he was not worshipping Allaah; he was worshipping false gods. Thus, when Hadhrat `Umar ibn al-Khattaab رضي الله عنه saw him, he knew that if this monk dies upon this state, he will be in Jahannam, despite him tiring himself out in worship in this way. It is the Law of Allaah that those who know about Islaam - or have the capability of learning about Islaam, as is the case nowadays - yet choose to follow a religion other than it, their end result will be Jahannam, even if they did good all their lives.

It is the belief of some people that, in these times, a "skewed, distorted image of Islaam" has been presented by the media and so people are not to blame for not accepting it. This was the belief propagated recently by Ahmad Tayyib, of Egypt. However, the reality is that whoever has internet at his disposal is capable of learning about Islaam, and thus no "distorted image" may be used as an excuse, because Allaah Ta`aalaa had given them the ability and the means to learn about Islaam; they chose not to. The fault lies with them.

May Allaah Ta`aalaa grant us the understanding, Aameen.

والسلام

Huzaifah, what are your thoughts on this:

There are treatises to which you should pay attention and read when you have the time InshaAllah (God-willing) as I think they'll be helpful to you understanding the matter more comprehensively and not in the one-dimensional manner you seem to now:

Who are the Disbelievers? (PDF)

Muslim Scholarly Discussions on Salvation And The Fate of 'Others' (PDF)

Where's the Mercy? (Blog Article)

By the way, I don't think it's ever been true or understood that all non-Muslims go to Hell; on the contrary, I think it's always been understood that there are exceptions as informed by the Qur'an and the Sunnah (prophetic footsteps) and ahadith (prophetic traditions) such as examples of the deaf person, the person who was born in the time wherein there were no messengers, the time wherein the person was too old or senile to appreciate the message, the person who was mentally incompetent or insane. Of course, scholars have understood differently as to whom we believe will be recipient of Allah's Mercy as to salvation from the non-Muslims in these categories. The time wherein no messengers were sent are the category to which we're referring to when we wonder or speculate on what the fate of non-Muslims who hear a distorted message of Islam today will be judged. No human being, scholars included, can even say from a certainty as to anyone's (including modern-day non-Muslims') fate.

format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam

{"Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islaam) from the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and the Mushrikoon (polytheists) will be in the fire of Jahannam for all eternity. They are the worst of created beings."}
[Soorah al-Bayyinah, 98:6]

{"And whoever seeks a Deen other than Islaam, it will never be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be from the losers."} [Soorah Aal-e-`Imraan, 3:85]

{"And those who expect not for a Meeting with Us (i.e. those who deny the Day of Resurrection and the life of the Hereafter), say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or why do we not see our Lord?" Indeed they thought too highly of themselves, and were scornful with great pride.

On the Day they will see the angels, no glad tidings will there be for the Mujrimoon (criminals, disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) that day. And they (angels) will say: "All kinds of glad tidings are forbidden for you," [None will be allowed to enter Paradise except the one who said: Laa ilaaha Illallaah, "(there is no God but Allaah) and acted practically on its legal orders and obligations].

And We shall turn to whatever deeds they (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) did, and We shall make such deeds as scattered floating particles of dust.

The dwellers of Paradise (i.e. those who deserved it through their Faith and righteousness) will, on that Day, have the best abode, and have the fairest of places for repose."} [Soorah al-Furqaan, 25:21-24]

{"Do then those who disbelieve think that they can take My slaves [i.e., the angels, Allaah's Messengers, `Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), etc.] as Auliyaa (lords, gods, protectors, etc.) besides Me? Verily, We have prepared Hell for the disbelievers as their entertainment.

Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of (their) deeds?

"Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds!

"They are those who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord and the Meeting with Him (in the Hereafter). So their works are in vain, and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall not give them any weight.

"That shall be their recompense, Hell; because they disbelieved and took My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and My Messengers by way of jest and mockery."} [Soorah al-Kahf, 18:102-106]

{"Has there come to you the narration of the overwhelming (i.e. the Day of Resurrection);

Some faces, that Day, will be humiliated (in the Hell-fire, i.e. the faces of all disbelievers, Jews and Christians, etc.).

Labouring (hard in the worldly life by worshipping others besides Allah), weary (in the Hereafter with humility and disgrace) .

They will enter in the hot blazing Fire."} [Soorah al-Ghaashiyah, 88:1-4]

Commenting on these Aayaat in his Tafseer, `Allaamah ibn Katheer رحمة الله عليه writes:

وَقَالَ الْحَافِظُ أَبُو بَكْرٍ الْبَرْقَانِيُّ: حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ المُزَكّى، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ السَّرَّاجُ، حَدَّثَنَا هَارُونُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سَيَّارٌ (1) حَدَّثَنَا جَعْفَرٌ قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عِمْرَانَ الجَوني يَقُولُ: مَرَّ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ، رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ، بِدَيْرِ رَاهِبٍ، قَالَ: فَنَادَاهُ: يَا رَاهِبُ [يَا رَاهِبُ] (2) فَأَشْرَفَ. قَالَ: فَجَعَلَ عُمَرُ يَنْظُرُ إِلَيْهِ وَيَبْكِي. فَقِيلَ لَهُ: يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، مَا يُبْكِيكَ مِنْ هَذَا؟ قَالَ: ذَكَرْتُ قَوْلَ اللَّهِ، عَزَّ وَجَلَّ فِي كِتَابِهِ: {عَامِلَةٌ نَاصِبَةٌ تَصْلَى نَارًا حَامِيَةً} فَذَاكَ الَّذِي أَبْكَانِي

The Hadeeth master, Abu Bakr al-Barqaani said: Ibraaheem ibn Muhammad al-Muzakki narrated to us: Muhammad ibn Is-haaq as-Sarraaj narrated to us: Haaroon ibn `Abdillaah narrated to us: Sayyaar narrated to us: Ja`far narrated to us, saying: I heard Abu `Imraan al-Jawni saying: `Umar ibn al-Khattaab رضي الله عنه passed by the monastery of a monk, so he called out to him saying, "O Raahib (monk)!" So the monk came out. When `Umar saw him, he wept. He was asked: "O Commander of the Believers, what of this has caused you to weep?" He said: "I remembered the Word of Allaah `Azza wa Jall in His Kitaab:

عاملة ناصبة تصلى ناراً حامية


"Labouring (hard in the worldly life by worshipping others besides Allah), weary (in the Hereafter with humility and disgrace)."

That is what caused me to weep." [Tafseer ibn Katheer.]

So that monk, despite having devoted his entire life to worship, staying away from sin, not harming anybody, it would not benefit him because he was not worshipping Allaah; he was worshipping false gods. Thus, when Hadhrat `Umar ibn al-Khattaab رضي الله عنه saw him, he knew that if this monk dies upon this state, he will be in Jahannam, despite him tiring himself out in worship in this way. It is the Law of Allaah that those who know about Islaam - or have the capability of learning about Islaam, as is the case nowadays - yet choose to follow a religion other than it, their end result will be Jahannam, even if they did good all their lives.

It is the belief of some people that, in these times, a "skewed, distorted image of Islaam" has been presented by the media and so people are not to blame for not accepting it. This was the belief propagated recently by Ahmad Tayyib, of Egypt. However, the reality is that whoever has internet at his disposal is capable of learning about Islaam, and thus no "distorted image" may be used as an excuse, because Allaah Ta`aalaa had given them the ability and the means to learn about Islaam; they chose not to. The fault lies with them.

May Allaah Ta`aalaa grant us the understanding, Aameen.

والسلام

What about those who are being persecuted by extremist(isis, boko haram) for example. Would they fall into having a disosrted image of islam and not be accountable for not accepting it?