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    Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell (OP)


    lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?

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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

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    No person who has the ability and means to learn about Islaam can use the excuse of "a distorted image of Islaam" being presented to them. They are supposed to make the effort to seek the truth.

    Simple question:

    Why did 1.5 million people accept Islaam immediately after 9/11?

    People possessing internet have no excuse for not searching for the truth. The ability to research anything is right there at your fingertips. What stops a person from learning about Islaam? Obstinacy, or laziness, or simply not caring about anything. They had the means but chose not to make use of it. They can't blame anyone else.

    Was-Salaam.
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    No person who has the ability and means to learn about Islaam can use the excuse of "a distorted image of Islaam" being presented to them. They are supposed to make the effort to seek the truth.

    Simple question:

    Why did 1.5 million people accept Islaam immediately after 9/11?

    People possessing internet have no excuse for not searching for the truth. The ability to research anything is right there at your fingertips. What stops a person from learning about Islaam? Obstinacy, or laziness, or simply not caring about anything. They had the means but chose not to make use of it. They can't blame anyone else.

    Was-Salaam.
    Well I mean persecuted people due to the likes of boko-haram/isis, who are also in refugee camps and without internet I mean. Do they fall under the category?
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT View Post
    Well I mean persecuted people due to the likes of boko-haram/isis, who are also in refugee camps and without internet I mean. Do they fall under the category?
    if they been reached by Islamic dawah then they go to hell too if they die as non-muslim
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    Why did you post this? What is the purpose?
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    im trying to figure out what religion the children will be?
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell



    Everyone is born a Muslim. It is the parents that take them out of that state.

    Allahu alam.
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    lol. ok doesnt make it any easier does it?

    maybe the women will convert?

    or see reason through the children they bear.


    how did it work historically with prisoners of war?

    lol i think yours is a rather evasive answer.. although correct.

    its that easy isnt it?

    but everybody is an expert.


    ...so these muslim children from parents both muslim and non muslim..

    get a free pass until they reach an age..

    and then decide on the guidance they follow if any?

    and more specifically you could never find a more chalk and cheese partnership..

    fantastic.

    but some chance is better than no chance.. it would seem.


    maybe they will grow up in muslim lands?

    ...hopefully not at an disadvantage.

    but everybody is created in truth right?
    ...


    i have a begger lady outside the window today.. been there an hour..

    what ya think? cup of tea and a quid or am i pushing my luck?

    quick quick... its not facebook

    too late, lets start with a cup of tea.

    ...what are you having today?
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post


    Everyone is born a Muslim. It is the parents that take them out of that state.

    Allahu alam.


    The hadith which mention "Every child born in fitrah, then his parent that makes him become Jew, Christian, or Majusi", actually is explanation of prohibition to kill non-Muslim children, even in war.

    The cause/background of that hadith was an event when some Muslims killed mushrikin children in a war. When Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasallam questioning why they killed the mushrikin children, they said they killed those children because those children were mushrikin. Then Rasulullah Shallallahu Alayhi Wasallam issued prohibition to kill non-Muslim children in war, and said that hadith as explanation why is prohibited to kill children from enemy side.
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell



    format_quote Originally Posted by Search View Post
    And with respect to suffering in life that you mentioned a disbeliever suffers, please know that we know from a hadith (prophetic tradition) that even Abu Lahab will suffer less than he would have otherwise because of his one good deed of freeing a slave at the birth of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). So, even a disbeliever's suffering may be a cause of him suffering less in eternity just as his/her good deed would be a cause for him/her suffering less in eternity.
    Just a clarification regarding the last sentence in the quote:

    According to the link in the quote,
    Ibn Hajr, al-‘Ayni and al-Qastalani, ... all recognized that this lightening of punishment was an exception made for Abu Lahab, the way it was made for Abu Talib.

    That means that as a general rule, the disbelievers good deeds will not be a cause for lessening their suffering in the Hereafter. One of the reasons why their good deeds will not be compensated for in the Hereafter is because they do not perform their deeds for Allah. Allah only rewards those good deeds which are performed solely for His sake, and this applies to Muslims as well. If a Muslim performs a good deed for anything other than seeking the pleasure of Allah, he will be asked to go and fetch his reward from whoever he did his good deed for.


    The scholars say:
    There are two essential conditions that must both be present in every performed good act or deed, so as to ensure their acceptance by Allah. First, a Muslim must seek Allah alone in the good deeds that he performs. Second, this good deed must be in total accordance with what Allah has legislated in His Book and what His Messenger has commanded in his Sunnah.


    The first condition: the act of worship should be devoted to Allah Alone.

    Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
    And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him).” [al-Bayyinah 98:5]

    The meaning of worshipping Allah alone is that the person should intend in all his words and deeds, both inward and outward, to seek the Face of Allah (i.e., His pleasure).

    Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
    And who has (in mind) no favour from anyone to be paid back,
    Except to seek the Countenance of his Lord, the Most High.
    ” [al-Layl 92:19]

    (Saying): “We feed you seeking Allah’s Countenance only. We wish for no reward, nor thanks from you.” [al-Insan 76:9]

    Whosoever desires (by his deeds) the reward of the Hereafter, We give him increase in his reward, and whosoever desires the reward of this world (by his deeds), We give him thereof (what is decreed for him), and he has no portion in the Hereafter.” [al-Shoora 42:20]

    Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter, to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.
    They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire, and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do.
    ” [Hood 11:15-16]

    It was narrated that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say:
    The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or to marry a woman, his emigration was for what he emigrated for.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, Bad’ al-Wahy, 1).

    It was narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Allah, may He be blessed and exalted, says: ‘I am so self-sufficient that I am in no need of having an associate. Thus he who does an action for someone else’s sake as well as Mine will have that action renounced by Me to him whom he associated with Me.’” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa’l-Raqaiq, 5300)


    The second condition is that the action should be in accordance with the only way which Allah has prescribed for worship, which is by following the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in the laws that he has brought.

    It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever does any action that is not in accordance with this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), will have it rejected.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Aqdiyyah, 3243).

    Ibn Rajab (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “This hadeeth (narration) forms one of the most important principles of Islam. It is like a scale for weighing up deeds according to their outward appearance, just as the hadeeth ‘The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions’ is the means of weighing up the inner nature of deeds. Just as every action which is not intended for the sake of Allah brings no reward to the one who does it, so too every deed which is not in accordance with the command of Allah and His Messenger will also be rejected and thrown back at the one who does it. Everyone who innovates in Islam something for which Allah and His Messenger have not granted permission, that thing has nothing to do with Islam.
    (Jami’ al-‘Uloom wa’l-Hikam, part 1, p.176)

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) enjoined following his Sunnah (ways) and teachings, and made them binding. He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “You have to follow my Sunnah (way) and the way of my rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa’ al-rashidoon); bite onto it with your eyeteeth (i.e., cling firmly to it).” And he warned against bid’ah (innovation), as he said: “Beware of newly-invented matters, for every newly-invented matter is a going astray.” (narrated by al-Tirmidhi, al-‘Ilm, 2600; classed as saheeh/authentic by al-Albani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi, no. 2157)

    Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Allah has made devotion of worship to Him alone and following the Sunnah the means of deeds being accepted; if these conditions are not met, then deeds are unacceptable.”
    (al-Rooh, 1/135)
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT View Post
    lately, i've been struggling with the issues of non muslims going to hell. I mean, there are like millions of non-muslim suffering throughout the world (yazidis, christians, hindus, etc) alongside muslims as well. I mean with muslims, I guess it reassuring knowing they enter heaven but for non muslims, i struggle with it. I mean, i feel cruel for thinking despite suffering in this life, they suffer even worse in the next and like i'm disregarding my compassion for them just due to their beliefs and I am just like, oh, too bad, so sad,which I can't help but feel is cruel. what do you think?
    If you and I refuse to buy a ticket to go past the barriers on a train station do you think we'll be allowed to go through? What if we turn up to the station everyday and clean it, greet commuters with kindness and a smile as they arrive and guide them to the right platform for their journey do you think we'll be allowed through?

    What if this ticket had the label 'Islam' and the train station was the straight path and the destination was jannah?

    The problem is choice.
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    And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.”
    [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]


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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    If you and I refuse to buy a ticket to go past the barriers on a train station do you think we'll be allowed to go through? What if we turn up to the station everyday and clean it, greet commuters with kindness and a smile as they arrive and guide them to the right platform for their journey do you think we'll be allowed through?

    What if this ticket had the label 'Islam' and the train station was the straight path and the destination was jannah?


    The problem is choice.
    Yeah but the thing is, I feel cruel when I hear about all these like non muslims suffering in the world and because they aren't muslim and die like that, they should go to hell and i'm just like 'oh, they didn't die muslim, tough luck/too bad', like I'm indifferent towards their suffering

    Though I heard in south sudan, many of them aren't muslims because they were oppressed in the name of Islam and think it's like some kind of political ideology, would they be excused in this case as mentioned before
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    thats pretty good as far as analogies go... impressive.

    ..should have stayed in school. "/

    lol.

    ..today someone asked me if i was sunni or shia "/
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    Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    Firstly, Allah will provide every human being with an opportunity to accept Islam during their lifetime. This could be through countless different ways such da'wah, leaflets or just by observing the good behaviour of a Muslim. Those that accept it will earn Allah's pleasure and those that reject it will be destined to hell fire.

    Secondly, Allah says is the Quran that Allah had sent prophets and messengers to every nation to guide them to Islam. The last of these prophets was Prophet Muhammad who is the Messenger for all of mankind until the hour. Therefore, nobody will have any excuses on the day of judgement before Allah that they were not given guidance by Him. This is why one of the three questions that we will all be asked in the grave will include "who was your prophet".

    Thirdly, the scholars have discussed that if there is truly someone who died before knowing Islam then he or she does not automatically get thrown in hell. Allah will deal with such people in a way that befits their situation.

    You can rest assured that there are people that know about Islam but they chose to ignore it thinking their religion is better, or they don't bother to learn more about it or they simply reject it.
    Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 03-11-2017 at 09:19 PM.
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    And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.”
    [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]


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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    Firstly, Allah will provide every human being with an opportunity to accept Islam during their lifetime. This could be through countless different ways such da'wah, leaflets or just by observing the good behaviour of a Muslim. Those that accept it will earn Allah's pleasure and those that reject it will be destined to hell fire.

    Secondly, Allah says is the Quran that Allah had sent prophets and messengers to every nation to guide them to Islam. The last of these prophets was Prophet Muhammad who is the Messenger for all of mankind until the hour. Therefore, nobody will have any excuses on the day of judgement before Allah that they were not given guidance by Him. This is why one of the three questions that we will all be asked in the grave will include "who was your prophet".

    Thirdly, the scholars have discussed that if there is truly someone who died before knowing Islam then he or she does not automatically get thrown in hell. Allah will deal with such people in a way that befits their situation.

    You can rest assured that there are people that know about Islam but they chose to ignore it thinking their religion is better, or they don't bother to learn more about it or they simply reject it.
    What about what I said with the people in South Sudan? What do they fall in?
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    I don't know. Make dua that Allah guides them to the straight path. I don't know anything about the people of South Sudan and have no idea about what's happening with the people there.
    Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.”
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    I don't know. Make dua that Allah guides them to the straight path. I don't know anything about the people of South Sudan and have no idea about what's happening with the people there.
    Well, i mean i heard many of them have a negative view of islam due to being oppressed in the name of it and they think it's like a political ideology or something, so wouldn't they be excused then?
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell



    Pls do watch this video on this thread iA will clear your doubts: http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...dela-hell.html
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    I don't know. Make dua that Allah guides them to the straight path. I don't know anything about the people of South Sudan and have no idea about what's happening with the people there.
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    Re: Struggling with idea of non muslims going to hell

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    I don't know. Make dua that Allah guides them to the straight path. I don't know anything about the people of South Sudan and have no idea about what's happening with the people there.
    well thats the joke innit..

    i replied.. im sunni but i have some mates who are shia.

    "/

    ..he says.. things are very different over there (lybia)..

    may allah swt protect us from the evil of our own selves and the evil of the shaitan and his followers.
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