SALAM!!!!
when people pass away we do a khatam, and we bless it upon the person etc., however i was told today that its islamically wrong! i'm confused because well i've been told thats what you do , anyways what i'm asking is it permissable or not, please back answer up?
jazakhallah!
Khatam is the Urdu word for the gathering on the 4th and 40th day after death to recite the Quran and pray for the deceased. It's commonly practiced amongst Pakistanis.
Well Ya_Giney, it's innovation as far as I know. Islamically a three day mourning period should be observed. For widows it's months and 10 days long (Qur'an 2:234).
Question:
Is setting a date to meet and read the entire Qur’aan for a deceased person and to pray for him, and doing this every year a bid‘ah.?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
There is no indication in either the Qur’aan or the Sunnah that would prescribe the actions described in the question. Based on this fact, these actions are bid‘ah (a reprehensible innovation) which is not permitted; we should avoid it and warn others not to do it. The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) used to say in his khutbahs (sermons): "The truest of speech is the Book of Allaah, the best guidance is that of Muhammad and the worst of things are those which are newly invented. Every newly-invented thing is a bid‘ah, every bid‘ah is a going astray, and every going astray will end in the Fire of Hell." (Reported by al-Nisaa’i, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Sunan, Kitaab salaat al-‘eidayn, no. 1560).
It is permissible to pray for the deceased, without arranging a formal gathering, and without setting a specific date for doing so. We ask Allaah to help us and you to do that which He loves and which will please Him. Allaah knows best.
AH! this is the question i was asking on the thread i think called praying at the graves. My family does this. The day someone passes, we recite Surah Fatiha...is that the same thing as this?
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
SALAM!!!!
when people pass away we do a khatam, and we bless it upon the person etc., however i was told today that its islamically wrong! i'm confused because well i've been told thats what you do , anyways what i'm asking is it permissable or not, please back answer up?
jazakhallah!
Is a khatam means finish the Quran for mayit? Or celebration of the deads time, first day since the dead till 7 day. In Indonesia we have till 1000 days
But whatever this khatam means ITS bid'ah, bid'ah means no example from Rasulullah -shalallahu alaihi wasallam- and his companions -radhiallahu anhuma-. And if theres no example from both of them, then we use hadith thats said "every action (In ibadah) which have no example from us, then this action rejected". (HR. Muslim:3243 Narated by Aisha).
So...eventhough a lot of people doing it, still we do ibadah based with evidences from Quran and Sunnah, and NOT from the quantity who doing it . Cause its Allah who will give us heaven and not those people.
And ulama have explained that the condition of one amal will be accepted, those are:
1. Ikhlas
2. Theres example from Rasulullah and HIs companions.
If one of these condition not fullfilled, then be SURE that your ibadah will not be accepted, although you have used a lot of money and energy.
AH! this is the question i was asking on the thread i think called praying at the graves. My family does this. The day someone passes, we recite Surah Fatiha...is that the same thing as this?
Also reading fatihah WILL not give benefit to the mayit, according hadith thats said there are only three things that mayit can benefit of, those are 1. Amal jariyah, 2. Knowledges thats been taught, 3. Du'a by his children. Only this three things can benefit the mayit when they have dead. And NO surah from Quran will benefit them, BUT if one of his children read Quran (And not for intention to send it for the mayit) then the mayit have the reward exactly the same with the children have.
Al Imam Asy Syafi'i is the strongest Imam which denied this believe that Quran give benefit to mayit. He said Quran for living people and not for dead people. Will it nebefit mayit if we read Quran thats said "Aqimish shalah", no right. And also theres some muslims doing adhan in the ears of the mayit in the burial, its also bid'ah. WHat will you do if the mayit wake up and go to the mosque?!?!? Cause adhan for people who will pray to the mosque right?
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Woe unto the repudiators on that day!
Indonesia have the most bid'ah I think. And especially bid'ah about mayit. THeres sending fatihah to Rasul, to the mayit, to the mayits family, to the salihin, to Abdul Qadir Jaelani, and all. And also they send fatihah for someone who celebrate birthday. They send fatihah everywhere
And then theyre gathering in the mayits house. And they have walimah in there, so the family of the mayit (who still in sadness of losing someone they love) HAVE to prepare all kinda foods,chairs, drink, and all of things, and it cause them a lot of money BId'ah surely will muslim in hard situation right. Till I heard in one village, some muslims have to sell their land, their house, or cars, or farm animals, JUST to do this gathering :rant: . This gathering called "tahlil-an". And they wanna do this all cause the ustadh or ulama (Ulama to egnorants eyes of course) there told them to do so . And if they do it then they warned of the consequences. Most of those ustadh and ulama are juhala, leading people to deviation Allahul mustaan.
So following sunnah is easy, and of course cheap. Cause Islam NOT to make the believers hard.
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Woe unto the repudiators on that day!
AH! this is the question i was asking on the thread i think called praying at the graves. My family does this. The day someone passes, we recite Surah Fatiha...is that the same thing as this?
There is no evidence in the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) which supports going to cemeteries and reciting the Quran, nor did he instruct his Companions (RAA) and the members of his household to do it.
However one can make this duaa:
"Peace be upon you, the inhabitants of the city, among the Believers and the Muslims and God willing we shall join you. You have gone before us and we are coming after. We beg of Allah peace for us and for you. 0 Allah forgive them . 0 Allah have mercy on them."
In Indonesia we have till 1000 days
Alhumdulillah I'm not indonesian!
Astaghfirullah, I been raised attending these gatherings. I've never liked them. Firstly because the deceased has so many relatives who come to mourn and for the first four days the deceased's family don't get any rest as they have to be there for visitors coming from far and wide. It's a stressful situation for the family. Secondly because the women start wailing and saying blaming Allah (na udhubillah) for the death. Thirdly all that automatic and fake wailing makes me laugh, which I have to suppress with all my will power.
Astaghfirullah Im not being mean but it's put on to please the relatives so they think you're in as much pain as they are. I saw a woman wailing for about 3-4 minutes then just like that she stopped and said to the woman next to her, "So how have you been?" lol ffended:
Alhumdulillah I never have to go through that again.
I think once a person dies there is no use in doing all this stuff except for prayerss because the books of that person r closed forever n ever.
inshAllah this explains.
~Zulekha~
Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
Hi,
I have some concerns which I need to sort it out. Firstly, my fellow community muslim people offers prayers which Surah Yasin is recited for 40 days immediately from the date the person has passed away. What is the view of the other muslims ard the world. Cos i know other muslims do not practise this. Is this Bi'da?
Secondly, a woman should wear hijab should consist of covering her awrah rite that includes the hair. Should hair be covered also. My frd states that theres is no need to cover the hair except for the areas to be covered. I have seen women entering mosque without covering their heads to a masjid. Pls help me with this so that i can help to explain to my friend.
Re: Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
Plz post evidence for both matters so we may benefit inshaAllah.
The 40 days of prayer are common in Pakistan. If you tell people this is bida, they bite your head off and say we are deviants. Please provide daleel so that we can prove it inshaAllah.
Re: Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
That's asking if the person praying get a reward as well. The question is if this 40 days of praying is innovation or not.
My mum tries to drag me to these 'events' or khatams as they call them. I'm like mom, mom there's no such thing in Islam, to which she replies.. I don't know which islam you are learning! hehe
Re: Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis
My mum tries to drag me to these 'events' or khatams as they call them. I'm like mom, mom there's no such thing in Islam, to which she replies.. I don't know which islam you are learning! hehe
lol ask her how many islams are there lol, subhanAllah she sounds exactly like my mum.
yeah i normally just tell her once and then i just smile while im getting dissed, like so
btw sis i know i havent got the evidence, but im like 90% sure that it is a bid'a to do that. Allahu a'lam
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Re: Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
I have some concerns which I need to sort it out. Firstly, my fellow community muslim people offers prayers which Surah Yasin is recited for 40 days immediately from the date the person has passed away. What is the view of the other muslims ard the world. Cos i know other muslims do not practise this. Is this Bi'da?
Reading Quran for a Deceased Person
Question:
Is setting a date to meet and read the entire Qur’aan for a deceased person and to pray for him, and doing this every year a bid‘ah.?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
There is no indication in either the Qur’aan or the Sunnah that would prescribe the actions described in the question. Based on this fact, these actions are bid‘ah (a reprehensible innovation) which is not permitted; we should avoid it and warn others not to do it. The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) used to say in his khutbahs (sermons): "The truest of speech is the Book of Allaah, the best guidance is that of Muhammad and the worst of things are those which are newly invented. Every newly-invented thing is a bid‘ah, every bid‘ah is a going astray, and every going astray will end in the Fire of Hell." (Reported by al-Nisaa’i, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Sunan, Kitaab salaat al-‘eidayn, no. 1560).
It is permissible to pray for the deceased, without arranging a formal gathering, and without setting a specific date for doing so. We ask Allaah to help us and you to do that which He loves and which will please Him. Allaah knows best.
Secondly, a woman should wear hijab should consist of covering her awrah rite that includes the hair. Should hair be covered also. My frd states that theres is no need to cover the hair except for the areas to be covered. I have seen women entering mosque without covering their heads to a masjid. Pls help me with this so that i can help to explain to my friend.
I am quite puzzelded by the question... of course the sister has to cover her hair NOT only that but the whole body and there is difference of opinion regarding the face and the hands. The Hijab has conditions and one of the first condition is that it should cover the whole body.
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Ahzaab 33:59]
Re: Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis
That's asking if the person praying get a reward as well. The question is if this 40 days of praying is innovation or not.
My mum tries to drag me to these 'events' or khatams as they call them. I'm like mom, mom there's no such thing in Islam, to which she replies.. I don't know which islam you are learning! hehe
The problem is that the one who does the bid'a needs to give proof for their claim since their doing that act, the one who says it's a bid'a says its a bid'a because they can't find anything from the Qur'an or Sunnah, or the ways of the sahabah who did that act.
Re: Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
The problem is that the one who does the bid'a needs to give proof for their claim since their doing that act, the one who says it's a bid'a says its a bid'a because they can't find anything from the Qur'an or Sunnah, or the ways of the sahabah who did that act.
my mom's gonna eat me alive if I ask her to bring proof..
who is responsible for these innovations? I need to give my mum hard evidence
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Re: Praying for people who passed away and Hijab for women
You can tell her that you will pray for her:
The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said : "After the death of a person his actions stop, except three things that he leaves behind : First continuous charity, Second a knowledge from which some benefit may be obtained, Third a virtuous son who makes Dua’ (Pray, supplicate) on his behalf "(Recorded in Sahih Muslim).
Charity will benefit the deceased, as the following Hadiths show : " A man came to the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and asked him : "My father died leaving wealth but no will, would he be pardoned if a charity is given on his behalf ?", the Prophet (P.B.U.H) answered: "Yes" (Muslim). Another Hadith : "A man came to the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and asked him :"My mother has died without making up for a missed days of fasting in the month of Ramadan, can I fast for her?" , the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said to him : " Would you pay her debt if she owed someone?". The man said : "Yes", then the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said : "Then Allah is more deserving of payment in settlement of his debt" "(Bukhari & Muslim).
So from the previous authentic Hadiths there are generally three things that benefit the dead:
1) Charity; Continuous Charity ;
2) A knowledge left by the deceased from which some benefit may be obtained;
3) A virtuous son or daughter who makes Dua’ (Pray, supplicate) on the deceased’s behalf, or perform duties that the deceased did not do during his/her lifetime such as fasting missed days or Hajj, or pay his/her debts.
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. Cause its Allah who will give us heaven and not those people.
Cause adhan for people who will pray to the mosque right?
BId'ah surely will muslim in hard situation right. Till I heard in one village, some muslims have to sell their land, their house, or cars, or farm animals, JUST to do this gathering :rant: . This gathering called "tahlil-an". And they wanna do this all cause the ustadh or ulama (Ulama to egnorants eyes of course) there told them to do so
. And if they do it then they warned of the consequences. Most of those ustadh and ulama are juhala, leading people to deviation
Allahul mustaan.
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