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kadafi
03-03-2005, 08:20 AM
By Demijan Omeragic

(Some arguments presented in the Christ in Judo-Christianity (http://showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=703) by some wannabe-Christian apologists --see bold text) :D

1) ARGUMENT FROM DISAGREEMENT




I believe that the Bible is the word of God.
The Qur'ân disagrees with the Bible.
Therefore, Islam is false.
2) ARGUMENT FROM ACTIONS OF PROPHETS


Muhammad killed.
Jesus in the Bible did not.



[Christian ignores the time-period & place the Prophets lived in, as well as other Prophets who killed, and only compares the Biblical Jesus with Muhammad]
Therefore, Islam is false.
3) ARGUMENT FROM DIFFERENCE IN SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS OF PROPHETS


Jesus in the Bible knew of his fate and his death.
Muhammad did not.



[Christian ignores the purpose of certain Prophets, as well as all other Prophets who did not know what would happen to them, and only compares Biblical Jesus with Muhammad]
Therefore, Islam is false.
4) ARGUMENT FROM DIFFERENCE IN VIEWS


Islam teaches that Jesus was a messenger.
Christianity teaches that Jesus was the Son of God.
Therefore, Islam is false.
5) ARGUMENT FROM I DON'T THINK GOD WOULD ALLOW THIS


Islam teaches that believers will have maximum pleasure in Paradise; which includes sexual pleasure among other things.
I don't think that God would allow sexual pleasure in Paradise.
Therefore, Islam is false.
6) ARGUMENT FROM OBLIGATIONS


Muslims are obligated to pray to God 5 times a day while bowing down and reciting from the Qur'ân.
Muslims are also obligated to fast during the Holy Month of Ramadan.
Islam teaches other things which are simply too hard to stick to, and also unnecessary in my opinion. I would rather accept Jesus and be saved, because it's easier.
Therefore, Islam is false.
7) ARGUMENT FROM MY PARENTS (AKA PARENTAL ARGUMENT)


My parents are Christians.
My parents can't be wrong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
7) ARGUMENT FROM SIZE


Christianity is currently (12/15/03) larger than Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
8) ARGUMENT FROM TERRORISM (I)


Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist.
Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim.
Obviously, Islam must teach terrorism.
Therefore, Islam is false.
9) ARGUMENT FROM TERRORISM (II)


The events of September 11th 2001 were committed by terrorists.
Those terrorists claimed to be Muslim.
Obviously, they must have followed Islamic teachings.
Consequently, Islam must teach terrorism.
Therefore, Islam is false.
10) ARGUMENT FROM CERTAIN TEACHINGS OF ISLAM


Islam teaches that there are beings that live among us, which we cannot see. They are called Djinns.
I think this is nonsense.
Therefore, Islam is false.
11) ARGUMENT FROM JESUS' DEATH


Islam teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross.
Because this idea makes me feel uncomfortable, Islam's claims are lies.
Therefore, Islam is false.
12) ARGUMENT FROM IMPOSSIBLE CORRUPTION


Islam teaches that the Bible has been very altered and changed throughout history; in other words, corrupted.
The Bible makes sense to me.
Therefore, Islam is false.
13) ARGUMENT FROM ERRORS OF THE QUR'AN VS. ERRORS OF THE BIBLE


The contradicting parts of the Bible cannot be taken literally. You must read between the lines and analyze deeper meaning of the verses. You also need to consider minor errors in translation & be careful that you do not misunderstand the context.
However, I will take the contradicting parts of the Qur'ân as literally as I can.
This will cause the Qur'ân to look very contradictory, and my Bible to look close to error-free.
This makes me feel very good.
Therefore, Islam is false.
14) ARGUMENT FROM DIVISIONS


There are 3 divisions of Islam, the Sunni Muslims, Shi'ites, and Sufis.



[Christian ignores the 15+ divisions within Christianity]
Therefore, Islam is false.
15) ARGUMENT FROM JIHAD IN MEDIA


Muslims claim that Jihad means to struggle.
The media portrays it as Holy War, a.k.a killing nonbelievers.
I refuse to study which interpretation is the correct one, because I trust the media.
Therefore, Islam is false.
16) ARGUMENT FROM WORKS VS FAITH


Islam teaches that God's forgiveness can be attained by sincere repentance & great deeds in this life.
I refuse to believe this, because if it is true I cannot do whatever I want anymore.
Therefore, accepting Jesus is the only way, because it makes me happy and gives me a great life.
Therefore, Islam is false.
17) ARGUMENT FROM CHURCH DOCTRINE


Whenever I encounter contradicting verses regarding Jesus' divinity, I remind myself of the Trinity and feel very enlightened.
Even though I cannot find the Trinity in the Bible, the Church teaches me that it's correct.
I have gone to Church since I was a little boy.
Because of that, I believe the Church, and it must be true.
Obviously, Christianity must be true because of #4, which supports that it is the religion of God.
Islam claims that the Trinity is a lie.
Therefore, Islam is false.
18) ARGUMENT FROM MY PASTOR SAYS


Our pastor says that the Qur'ân is from the devil.
Therefore, Islam is false.
19) ARGUMENT FROM POLYGAMY


Islam teaches polygamy.
Even though it is taught in the Bible, you have to read between the lines and also find other verses which contradict it.
I also disagree with polygamy, personally.
I do not think God would allow polygamy.
Therefore, Islam is false.
20) ARGUMENT FROM ALLAH IS A MOON GOD


Robert Morey claims that Allah means "Moon God" and that Muslims worship a moon god.
The Qur'ân contradicts this claim.
Arabic dictionaries contradict this claim as well.
Since "Allah" means God in Arabic, and is found in the Arabic version of the Christian Bible, this would mean that I am worshipping a moon god as well.
I do not like this idea.
However, Robert Morey has a website where he posts articles against Islam.
He must be an intellectual.
Therefore, all or most of his claims must be true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
21) ARGUMENT FROM ISLAM IS FALSE (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #1)


Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
22) ARGUMENT FROM INSULT


A Muslim insulted me once.
Therefore, Islam is false.
23) ARGUMENT FROM SADDAM HUSSEIN


Saddam Hussein is an evil man.
He claims to be Muslim.
Islam must be evil.
Therefore, Islam is false.
24) ARGUMENT FROM DREAMS


I had a dream that Jesus came to me and told me that I am saved.
Therefore, Islam is false.
25) ARGUMENT FROM DREAMS (II)


I had a dream that Jesus came to me and told me that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
26) ARGUMENT FROM UNFAIR CHALLENGE OF QUR'AN


The Qur'ân challenges non-believers to produce a surah like it, if it's not from God.
I cannot reproduce it. However, that is because I think the challenge is unfair.
Maybe if I keep saying that the challenge is unfair & ridiculous, nobody will care as to why I can't meet the challenge.
Therefore, Islam is false.
27) ARGUMENT FROM HEALING


My grandfather was Christian.
He was sick, and he prayed very much every day for his health.
He regained his health.
Therefore, Islam is false.
28) ARGUMENT FROM CHILDHOOD


Since I was a little kid, I was raised as a Christian.
Therefore, Islam is false.
29) ARGUMENT FROM RAISING THE DEAD


Jesus in my Bible raised the dead.
Muhammad did not.



[Christian ignores the fact that some prophets raised the dead, and some didn't]



[Christian ignores the fact that each prophet has his own purpose]
Therefore, Islam is false.
30) ARGUMENT FROM DISREGARDING SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION IN THE QUR'AN


[Muslim presents much information from the Qur'ân which supports modern science]
[Christian sees it as a coincidence / bad interpretation / ignores it]
[Muslim presents scientific errors in the Bible]
[Christian responds by saying that those verses cannot be taken literally]
Therefore, Islam is false.
31) ARGUMENT FROM THE QUR'AN IS SUPERNATURAL BUT NOT DIVINE


I agree that the Qur'ân presents very accurate scientific information.
But the Qur'ân tells me that Jesus is not the Son of God.
Therefore, Islam is false.
32) ARGUMENT FROM FREEDOM


I smoke, drink and have sex with different partners every night. My sins are forgiven because I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord & Saviour.
Islam would not allow me to do this.
Therefore, Islam does not give me as much freedom as Christianity.
Therefore, Islam is false.
33) ARGUMENT FROM HEALTH


I am very healthy.
I am a Christian.
Therefore, Islam is false.
34) ARGUMENT FROM VAMPIRE MOVIES


Vampires in movies are harmed by coming in contact with a cross.
Therefore, Islam is false.
35) ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL OPINION


Muslims claim that Islam is true.
I think that is ridiculous.
Therefore, Islam is false.
36) ARGUMENT FROM "WE" & "US" IN THE QUR'AN


The Qur'ân sometimes talks in the form of "We" such as "We created the Heavens."
The Qur'ân is therefore talking of a plural form of God, which automatically proves the Trinity, and that Islam is bogus.
Therefore, Islam is false.
37) ARGUMENT FROM NO RESEARCH NECESSARY


I think the Bible shows me the complete truth.
My parents are Christian. So are their parents, and their parents' parents were Christian as well.
Since the Qur'ân contradicts my Holy Bible, it is obvious to conclude that it cannot be the word of God.
Therefore it must be the word of Muhammad, the false Prophet.
No matter what it teaches, or what its scripture is like, it cannot be true, because of points 1 through 3.
Therefore, Islam is false.
38) ARGUMENT FROM CONVERTS


There are some people that converted from Islam to Christianity.
The converts from Christianity to Islam are stupid, misinformed, uneducated, and/or led astray by Satan and should be completely disregarded.
Therefore, Islam is false.
39) ARGUMENT FROM CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS INTERNET SITES


There are websites on the Internet created by Christians that claim that Islam is false.
Since the material on the websites is from Christians against Muslims, it must be true.
Some or most of it is not worth analyzing or even reading. Its truthfulness is obvious.
Therefore, Islam is false.
40) ARGUMENT FROM ISLAMIC APOLOGETICS INTERNET SITES


There are websites on the Internet created by Muslims that claim that Christianity is false.
Since the material on the websites is from Muslims against Christians, it must be false.
Some or most of it is not worth analyzing or even reading. Its falsehood is obvious.
Therefore, Islam is false.
41) ARGUMENT FROM I DON'T CARE


I don't care what Islam says about Jesus. Jesus died for you and he loves you. Accept him!
Therefore, Islam is false.
42) ARGUMENT FROM I AM RIGHT & YOU ARE WRONG


I am right.
You are wrong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
43) ARGUMENT FROM INTENTIONAL LIES, DECEIT, & STUPIDITY OR POSSIBLE RETARDATION COMBINED WITH LACK OF MENTAL CAPACITY (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #2)


I want to make Islam look bad. Islam is false.
That's why I ignore specific Muslim refutals to my arguments, and simply repeat them many times. Islam is false, pure and simple.
What I can answer, I answer. What I can't, I ignore. I shouldn't really pay attention to anything Muslims say, because remember? Islam is false.
With this I succeed in making Islam look bad, and Christianity look good. Islam deserves to look bad, since it disagrees with my Holy Book. That's why it's false. However, I avoid debates just because the people I would debate are Muslims who are deceived by demons and are not worthy of debate. I will therefore hide behind messageboards and reply to only what I can reply to. The rest I will ignore, and of course: repeat my statements many times. It makes me look like an intellectual. And intellectuals know that Islam is false.
I lack the intellgence to understand how stupid I come out when I do these things, but hey - winning people to Christ is a bonus, no matter what the means are.
If I take verses out of context and twist them around, while asking ridiculous questions, and insulting Islam as much as I can - it must be that Jesus intended for me to do this. For example; I will repeatedly ask if muslims should kill me because I'm an infidel. Then I will repeatedly state that Muhammad killed, without giving any background on it. After that, I will post verses from the Qur'ân that are violent and make Islam look like a brutal religion full of terror. If someone adds the proper context and/or explains the verses I posted, I will ignore that, and go to other things, such as sexual pleasure in heaven, and so on; you see my point. Islam is false.
And really, I mean come on, it is so extremely and painfully obvious that Islam is false. I wouldn't have to do any of these things to prove that really, but it can't hurt. The more souls I convert to Christ, the better bonus I receive from Jesus in heaven (I hope).
Christiantiy is true. I know this, I absolutely do. I know a hundred percent that Christianity is true. And I apologize to Muslims, I love you, I don't want you to go to hell, please accept Jesus. Islam is false.
Another thing I would like to say is that I only debate naive people so I can look like an enlightened follower of Jesus Christ. Whenever certain Muslim scholars challenge me for debate, I avoid it in some way, and when they are not looking I talk trash about them behind their back, and play Mr. Intellect with my Christian peers on message boards.
Muslims - I love you. But you will go to hell. I know I shouldn't judge who is going to hell, but I will do so anyways.
Jesus loves you.
I believe in my Bible, but I am not completely certain as to why I do so.
It is irrelevant.
Why? Because it just is.
Christianity is the truth.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY REGARDING MY CLAIMS.
Therefore, Islam is false.
44) ARGUMENT FROM ORIGINAL SIN


The Original Sin doctrine makes sense to me.
It isn't taught in Islam though.
Therefore, Islam is false.
45) ARGUMENT FROM BECAUSE (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #3)


Why is Islam false? Because it is.
Therefore, Islam is false.
46) ARGUMENT FROM SATISFACTION


I feel satisfied with believing in Christianity.
Therefore, Islam is false.
47) ARGUMENT FROM LITERACY OF PROPHETS


Muhammad was illiterate.
Jesus was not illiterate.
I will ignore the fact that Muhammad being illiterate produced an extraordinarily amazing work known as the Qur'ân, which is known for it's amazing arabic, style, preservation, structure, and scientific information. And, I will once again, continue to compare the Biblical Jesus with Muhammad regardless of the time and place they lived in.
I will also once again ignore fact that each prophet is supposed to have his own purpose.




Therefore, Islam is false.
48) ARGUMENT FROM I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE


Islam became very obvious at some point in my research.
However, if I converted to Islam my parents would be in shock, and I would have to debate them over and over again.
I'd rather cross my fingers and hope in Christianity.
I do not want to believe that Christianity is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
49) ARGUMENT FROM I DISLIKE


I dislike the Five Pillars of Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
50) ARGUMENT FROM ANGER


I HATE ISLAM!
Therefore, Islam is false.
51) ARGUMENT FROM ATTORNEY-GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT


John Ashcroft opposes Islam.
John Ashcroft is the Attorney-General.
Therefore, Islam is false.
52) ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE


The word "Allah" doesn't mean God.
I don't care what dictionaries, Arabic professors, or the Christian Bible in Arabic says.
Therefore, Islam is false.
53) ARGUMENT FROM DESPERATION (see #77)


F***k you.
Therefore, Islam is false.
54) ARGUMENT FROM MARRIAGE TO AISHA


Muhammad was married to a 6-year old girl named Aisha.
God would never allow this to happen.
Muhammad was the founder of Islam however.
Therefore, Islam is false.
55) ARGUMENT FROM COME ON (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #4)


Islam is false.
I mean, come on...Islam is simply not true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
56) ARGUMENT FROM FAILED CONVERSION ATTEMPTS


My grandfather told me how his Muslim friends tried to convert him to Islam, and failed.
Therefore, Islam is false.
57) ARGUMENT FROM STRONG FAITH


My faith in Christ is very strong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
58) ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF INTEREST


I firmly believe I know the truth.
Therefore I am not interested in studying other religions such as Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
59) ARGUMENT FROM WOMEN HEAD-COVERING


Islam teaches women to be covered.
Even though the Bible teaches this in some verses too, it is not enough to establish it firmly in Christianity. Either way, you really have to read other verses which contradict this & learn how to read between the lines, so that you realize that head covering is wrong.
I don't think that God would want women to cover their head.
Therefore, Islam is false.
60) ARGUMENT FROM JESUS LOVES ME


The Bible says that Jesus loves me.
Therefore, Islam is false.
61) ARGUMENT FROM BILL MAHER


Bill Maher makes fun of Islam.
He is pretty famous.
Therefore, Islam is false.
62) ARGUMENT FROM SUPPOSED EVIDENTIALITY


It is so obvious to me that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
63) ARGUMENT FROM CIRCUMCISION


Islam teaches for babies to be circumcized.
Even though the Bible teaches this, it is later being nullified by contradicting verse(s). You should also read between the lines to get the deeper meaning of the Bible, and you will realize that circumcision is wrong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
64) ARGUMENT FROM PORK


Islam is against the eating of pork.
Even though the Bible teaches this, it is later being nullified by contradicting verse(s). You should also read between the lines to get the deeper meaning of the Bible, and you will realize that there is nothing wrong with eating pork.
(I also love pork, personally)
Therefore, Islam is false.
65) ARGUMENT FROM ABORTION


Islam is against the killing of babies.
I am a Democrat.
Therefore, Islam is false.
66) ARGUMENT FROM ALCOHOL


Islam says that alcohol is extremely bad for me.
I love alcohol.
Therefore, Islam is false.
67) ARGUMENT FROM DISAGREEMENT WITH TRYING TO REFRAIN FROM SINNING


Islam teaches me to refraing from sinning & keep doing good deeds as much as I can.
Christianity tells me that my sins are washed away by Jesus Christ.
I like #2 better.
Therefore, Islam is false.
68) ARGUMENT FROM HOWARD STERN


Howard Stern once said that America should throw a nuclear bomb on a Muslim nation.
Obviously, he does not like Islam.
Consequently, he must have very good knowledge of Islam to make such a harsh statement.
Islam must be evil.
Therefore, Islam is false.
69) ARGUMENT FROM WOMEN IN ISLAM


Because the Taliban disrespects women, I assume that Islam teaches that.
However, I am not interested in any verses or hadith quotes that praise women and give specific instructions to men on how to treat them good.
Therefore, Islam is false.
70) ARGUMENT FROM WAGING WAR IN THE NAME OF GOD


I heard that the terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 did this act in the name of Allah (God in arabic).
They claimed to be Muslims.
Therefore, Islam is false.
71) ARGUMENT FROM IT DOESN'T MATTER


Islam says it is the truth.
It doesn't matter though, I was taught to follow Christianity.
Therefore, Islam is false.
72) ARGUMENT FROM REPEATING THE SAME MATERIAL UNTIL THE MUSLIM SIDE STOPS RESPONDING, MAKING YOU LOOK LIKE A WINNER (AKA MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #5)


[Christian:] Islam is false.
[Muslim:] Why do you think so?
[Christian:] It's so obvious!!!
[Christian presents argument #1]
[Muslim responds to argument #1 with a refutal]
[Christian ignores Muslim response to argument #1 and presents arguments #2, 3, and 4]
[Muslim responds to #1 and 2, and 3, and 4]
[Christian responds by repeating the statement "Islam is false." while presenting 3 more arguments; #5, 6, and 7]
[Muslim responds and refutes every argument presented]
[Christian ignores the refutations and starts asking questions one after another]
[Muslim answers question]
[Christian ignores Muslim's answer & presents another question]
[Muslim answers & refutes]
[Christian ignores, and repeats statement "Islam is false."]
[Muslim gives up]
[Christian starts with something similar to the following] Please. You are deceived by Satan. I don't want you to go to hell. Jesus is God, and he loves you.
[Muslim wonders why Christian ignored his responses and just kept going]
[Muslim comes to the conclusion that Christian was too uninformed to answer]
[Christian:] Islam is false.
[Christian feels like a winner]
Therefore, Islam is false.
73) ARGUMENT FROM SUPPOSED UNIMPORTANCE


It is not important whether the Qur'ân contains many scientific facts or whether its Arabic style is amazing.
What matters is that it teaches that Jesus was a messenger of God, and not the Son of God.
Therefore, Islam is false.
74) ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN TEENAGE WISDOM


Islam is like for terrorists and stuff.
Those people like bombed us.
Therefore, Islam is false.
75) ARGUMENT FROM LOOKING KNOWLEDGABLE BY DEMANDING DEBATE & THEN BACKING OFF OR AVOIDING CERTAIN POINTS OF THE DISCUSSION


Stop talking about Christianity! Let's talk about Islam!
[Christian presents Muslim with many arguments]
[Muslim responds to everything]
[Christian responds to some]
[Muslim responds again, to everything]
[Christian responds to some points]
[Muslim responds again, to everything]
[Christian ignores some / most points, and makes a statement on how unknowledgable the muslim is]
[Muslim asks why Christian has not been answering to every point he presented, since the Muslim has been addressing every argument fully]
[Christian ends the "debate" with our popular statement full of wisdom, knowledge, and enlightenment:] ISLAM IS FALSE.
Christian feels intellectual, and feels like a winner.
Therefore, Islam is false.
76) ARGUMENT FROM LOOKING KNOWLEDGABLE BY CHALLENGING FOR DEBATE ALTHOUGH KNOWING THE OPPOSITE PARTY IS NOT PRESENT / CANNOT RESPOND WHICH RESULTS IN MAKING IT SEEM AS IF THE MUSLIM PARTY IS SCARED TO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE


[Situation:] Person has been banned from a chat room / discussion forum.
[Christian finds out the person cannot debate because they are absent or have been banned]
[Christian:] I don't think you are so tough! Let's talk about Islam! Come on! I'm waiting...
[No answer, because Muslim is absent / cannot respond]
[Christian is happy because he achieved the effect of making the Muslim party look like it was afraid to accept the challenge]
Christian feels like a winner.
Therefore, Islam is false.
77) ARGUMENT FROM VULGARITY (see #53)


F***k Islam!
Therefore, Islam is false.
78) ARGUMENT FROM DISRESPECT


I think Islam is stupid, and so are you because you are a Muslim, and your family as well.
Therefore, Islam is false.
79) ARGUMENT FROM JEWS


Islam says that some Jews have hatred in their hearts.
I do not care about researching the reason for this claim, nor do I care about history, facts, or anything else that might support this claim in some way.
I automatically interpret this as the following: Hate every jew & kill them.
Therefore, Islam is false.
80) ARGUMENT FROM SPEAKING IN TONGUES


My cousin is a Christian.
Sometimes he would get into a special trance and speak a strange language which he claims was given to him from God directly.
Therefore, Islam is false.
81) ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF PROOF


You cannot prove beyond a doubt that Islam is the true religion of God.



[Christian does not ask himself if he can do the same for his own religion]
Therefore, Islam is false.
82) ARGUMENT FROM ANSWERING ISLAM'S WRITING STYLE


Every anti-Islamic article written by the Answering Islam team is written with exceptionally good spelling, grammar and punctuation.
They are also very polite (on their website).
Therefore, Islam is false.
83) ARGUMENT FROM SELF-ASSERTION OF ISLAMIC FALSEHOOD


Whenever I start questioning Christianity and start thinking about Islam at all, I go to anti-Islamic websites and read them many times.
This makes me feel very good.
Therefore, Islam is false.
84) ARGUMENT FROM ACTIONS OF CERTAIN ISLAMIC STATES (AKA THOMAS CROWNE ARGUMENT)


Certain Islamic States treat women like dirt and kill anybody who is not a Muslim.
I think that Islamic States must reflect Islamic teachings.
Therefore, Islam is false.
85) ARGUMENT FROM ENLIGHTENMENT


I had a vision of Jesus when I heard a voice I believe to be directly from God telling me that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
86) ARGUMENT FROM BOOKS


There are books that oppose Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
87) ARGUMENT FROM FASTEST-GROWING RELIGION & SECOND-LARGEST RELIGION DOES NOT MEAN TRUE RELIGION


As of today (12/15/03), Islam is the second-largest religion & fastest-spreading as well.
However, fastest-spreading & second-largest does not mean that it is the true religion. For example; people were making many mistakes throughout history that they realized were ridiculous later in the future.



[Christian ignores that the exact same thing can be said about Christianity being the largest religion]
Therefore, Islam is false.
88) ARGUMENT FROM HUMOUR


Many Christians joke about Islam a lot.
Therefore, Islam is false.
89) ARGUMENT FROM QUOTATIONS


I read a quote where a Muslim said that he would kill every Christian if he had the opportunity to do so.
I see this Muslim as reflecting the whole of Islamic teachings.
Therefore, Islam is false.
90) ARGUMENT FROM SUPPOSED KILLING OF UNBELIEVERS (AKA ALI SINA ARGUMENT)


Islam teaches to kill anybody who is not a Muslim.
I don't need anything to back this statement up because every anti-Islamic Christian says it is true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
91) ARGUMENT FROM DIVINITY OF JESUS


Islam teaches that Jesus was not divine.
Christianity teaches that Jesus was divine.



[Christian ignores the fact that Islam does not equal Christianity, and the Muslim belief on Biblical corruption and/or unreliability]
Therefore, Islam is false.
92) ARGUMENT FROM RESURRECTION OF CHRIST (AKA WHERE ARE THE BONES OF JESUS? ARGUMENT)


You won't find the bones of Jesus Christ. That is because he was resurrected and raised up.



[Christian ignores Muslim belief that Jesus was saved and raised into heaven]
Therefore, Islam is false.
93) ARGUMENT FROM FASTING


Islam teaches Muslims to fast during the month of Ramadan.
I do not think fasting is healthy.
Therefore, Islam is false.
94) ARGUMENT FROM SEXUAL RESTRICTIONS


Islam forbids anal sexual intercourse.
I do not like that.
Therefore, Islam is false.
95) ARGUMENT FROM SELF-DEFENSE


Islam teaches me to defend myself if someone attacks me.
Jesus told me to turn the other cheek.



[Christian ignores the fact that Islam does not equal Christianity, and the muslim belief on Biblical corruption and/or unreliability]
It doesn't matter what I personally would do. I just don't think that God wants us to defend ourselves.
Therefore, Islam is false.
96) ARGUMENT FROM SLAVERY


The Bible's Old Testament promotes slavery.
The Qur'ân teaches me to free slaves.
I like slavery though.
Therefore, Islam is false.
97) ARGUMENT FROM PEER PRESSURE


Islam was very obvious to me that it was the true religion at one point.
However, parents, relatives, and friends would never forgive me if I converted.
Therefore, Islam is false.
98) ARGUMENT FROM MANNERS


Islam teaches good manners.
I do not think good manners are necessary.
Therefore, Islam is false.
99) ARGUMENT FROM ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF THEIR TRUTHFULNESS (AKA ANN COULTER ARGUMENT)


Ann Coulter once said on TV that the founder of Islam, Muhammad, was a terrorist.
She did not present anything to back this statement up but she wrote a lot of books about many interesting things.
Therefore, Islam is false.
100) ARGUMENT FROM BATTLES


Muslims say that Islam is a religion of peace.
However, there were many battles in the chronology of Islam.
I find it unnecessary to study Islamic teachings or to research the background and reason for these battles and will simply, out of pure stupidity, conclude that Islam is a religion of war and a false religion.
Therefore, Islam is false.
:D

Khattab
03-03-2005, 02:17 PM
haha nice post :D

Genius
03-03-2005, 03:56 PM
Very good post. *thumbsup*

Ansar Al-'Adl
03-03-2005, 10:17 PM
I used to think it was a joke, but recently some christians took it upon themselves to prove that those really are their arguments.

pathetic.

aamirsaab
03-03-2005, 10:23 PM
I used to think it was a joke, but recently some christians took it upon themselves to prove that those really are their arguments.

pathetic.

lol....great first post....."islam is false therefore islam is false"...lol

:thumbs_up

Ansar Al-'Adl
03-17-2005, 05:03 AM
One Hundred Christian Proofs Of Islamic Falsehood...

And one from a Jew too!!

This is an actual quote from a Jew whom I was discussing with toda:


There are fatwas that are issued that completely contradict those verses from the Koran. A fatwa could not be issued if it contradicted the laws of the Koran. Therefore if there is a fatwa that says its ok to kill civilians then it is part of Islam. You cannot deny this. Islam allows fatwas to be issued therefore these things are permitted under Islam.
:lol:
So based on this, the 'proof of Islamic falsehood' is:

Argument from Fatwas
1. A fatwa cannot contradict the Koran
2. There are many horrible false fatwas
3. These must be part of Islamic teachings
4. Therefore Islam is false.

SpaceFalcon2001
03-17-2005, 05:27 AM
Jesus fails 300 prophecies here: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1458

*ProudMuslimah*
03-17-2005, 05:37 AM
:sl:

:lol: good post brother, it remind me of this dvd I watched which was based on "Is the bible God's words". It's a debate, Brother/shiekh Ahmed Deedat (who is mash'Allah excellent) against Jimmy Swaggart..has anyone seen it?

JazakumAllahu kairan for sharing that with us brother kadafi

Salam

Ansar Al-'Adl
03-17-2005, 05:44 AM
Jesus fails 300 prophecies here: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1458

:confused: What does this have to do with the topic?

SpaceFalcon2001
03-17-2005, 05:51 AM
:confused: What does this have to do with the topic? You know, prophecies, using stuff to disprove stuff...

I just wanted to throw that link out there since it was on hand. If you want to make another thread on it (which I didn't think was nessicary) go ahead.

yoshiyahu
03-18-2005, 10:52 PM
Hi Ansar,

Might I guess that the person you are quoted has a screename that begins with "Jo"?


One Hundred Christian Proofs Of Islamic Falsehood...

And one from a Jew too!!

This is an actual quote from a Jew whom I was discussing with toda:


There are fatwas that are issued that completely contradict those verses from the Koran. A fatwa could not be issued if it contradicted the laws of the Koran. Therefore if there is a fatwa that says its ok to kill civilians then it is part of Islam. You cannot deny this. Islam allows fatwas to be issued therefore these things are permitted under Islam.
:lol:
So based on this, the 'proof of Islamic falsehood' is:

Argument from Fatwas
1. A fatwa cannot contradict the Koran
2. There are many horrible false fatwas
3. These must be part of Islamic teachings
4. Therefore Islam is false.

D. O.
03-25-2005, 08:51 AM
Salaam Allaikum,

I just joined this board, it looks very good. I wanted to remind you guys that this is the incomplete version of my article lol. The full version is "199 Proofs" but for some reason the incomplete "100 proofs" has been circulating everywhere.

Anyway, here is the link if you are interested:

http://geocities.com/domerag/199proofs.html

Peace
D. O.

Ansar Al-'Adl
03-25-2005, 05:48 PM
:sl: Demijan Omeragic!
Nice to have you with us, and thanks for the full article. Do you have the argument from fatwa that I posted :D ?

inklink98
05-27-2005, 11:15 PM
197.) ARGUMENT FROM PROOF #197

1. This Christian Proof Of Islamic Falsehood is No. 197.
2. 197 is a bad number.
3. Therefore, Islam is false.


HUH?????????????????? because 197 is a bad number???????????????????????

Danish
05-28-2005, 10:35 AM
:sl:
loooooooooool........."summun, bukmun, Umun Fa hum ra yarjeon" --"Deaf, dumb, blind and they will not return (to he straight path)" -- Surah Baqrah

Khaldun
06-14-2005, 10:42 PM
:sl:

yes u know i havent finished the points yet but they are sooo true, JazzakAllah khair Kadafi

Ansar Al-'Adl
06-15-2005, 12:10 AM
remaining arguments....


101.) ARGUMENT FROM THE MCQUEEN SCION

I am The McQueen Scion.
Therefore, Islam is false.
102.) ARGUMENT FROM THE PURPOSE OF LIFE

[Christian: What does Islam say is the purpose of life?]
[Muslim presents information.]
[Christian: Hah, that's bogus.]
Therefore, Islam is false.
103.) ARGUMENT FROM 5 DAILY PRAYERS

I know some muslims who don't perform their 5 daily prayers.
Therefore, Islam is false.
104.) ARGUMENT FROM ACCUSATION

Islam equals Terrorism!!!
Therefore, Islam is false.
105.) ARGUMENT FROM RACISM

Muslim arabs are sand-------s!
Therefore, Islam is false.
106.) ARGUMENT FROM ILLNESS

There are muslims who have cancer and other horrible illnesses.
Therefore, Islam is false.
107.) ARGUMENT FROM SCRAMBLE

Lmsia si seafl.
Therefore, Islam is false.
108.) ARGUMENT FROM TALIBAN OPPRESSION OF WOMEN

The taliban is known for oppressing women.
Obviously, Islam must teach this.
Therefore, Islam is false.
109.) ARGUMENT FROM CONFUCIOUS

Confucious said God is not the author of confusion.
The Qur'an confuses me.
Therefore, Islam is false.
110.) ARGUMENT FROM "THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST"

"The Passion Of The Christ" is a movie that made me cry and strengthened my faith.
Therefore, Islam is false.
111.) ARGUMENT FROM JOHN 3:16 (aka ROBERT MOREY ARGUMENT #2)

The Bible says; "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." [John 3:16]
I have not, and have no need to establish authority of biblical text being the word of God.
But still, Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
112.) ROBERT MOREY ARGUMENT (III)

I say that the Muslims' only hope of paradise is that they murder someone in the name of Jihad and are killed in the process.
I don't need to back this statement up.
Therefore, Islam is false.
113.) ARGUMENT FROM THE CAPTURE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN

Saddam Hussein claims to be a muslim.
If Islam was a true religion, Allah would have given him the power of invisibility to avoid being captured.
Therefore, Islam is false.
114.) ARGUMENT FROM TELEKINESIS

Uri Geller is a famous telekinetic.
Uri Geller is not a muslim.
Therefore, Islam is false.
115.) ARGUMENT FROM BIZARRE SCIENTIFIC FACTS

My dad says bees come from olives.
Islam doesn't teach that.
Therefore, Islam is false.
116.) ARGUMENT FROM HIP-HOP

Yo yo, f*** that muslim s***, son.
Therefore, Islam is false.
117.) ARGUMENT FROM THEREFORE

Therefore.
Therefore, Islam is false.
118.) ARGUMENT FROM COCA-COLA LOGO

The Coca-Cola logo mirrored reads "La Mohammad La Makkah" in Arabic, meaning "No Muhammad No Mecca".
Therefore, Islam is false.
119.) ARGUMENT FROM JULIUS CAESAR

Hail Caesar!
Therefore, Islam is false.
120.) ARGUMENT FROM DEMONS DISGUISED AS ANGELS

[Christian: The figure that visited Muhammad was not Angel Gabriel but a demon. Muhammad never met Jesus and has no right to talk about him.]
[Muslim: Has Saul of Tarsus - St. Paul (the founder of Christianity) met Jesus?]
[Christian: Of course, you silly uninformed muslim you. Paul saw the Risen Jesus on his road to damascus.]
[Muslim: The figure that Paul saw was not the Risen Jesus but a demon.]
[Christian: Open your eyes, Islam is false!]
Therefore, Islam is false.
121.) ARGUMENT FROM ACCUSATION OF DODGING

[Christian presents argument]
[Muslim refutes argument.]
[Christian does not respond.]
[Christian presents the same argument later.]
[Muslim refutes argument again.]
[Christian does not respond.]
[Christian presents the same argument later once again.]
[Muslim sees no point in replying to the same thing for the 3rd time.]
[Christian accuses Muslim of dodging the issue.]
Therefore, Islam is false.
122.) ARGUMENT FROM MEMORIZATION OF BIBLICAL VERSES

I can recite certain biblical verses flawlessly.
Therefore, Islam is false.
123.) ARGUMENT FROM CROSS IN HOSPITAL ROOM

When I was hospitalized, there was a cross hanging next to the door of the room I was in.
Therefore, Islam is false.
124.) ARGUMENT FROM ROFL

ROFL
Therefore, Islam is false.
125.) ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN IDOL

The American Idol Singing Competition Winner is not a muslim.
Therefore, Islam is false.
126.) ARGUMENT FROM MIKE TYSON

Mike Tyson claims to be a muslim.
However, he bit off a part of Evander Holyfield's ear.
Therefore, Islam is false.
127.) ARGUMENT FROM 1337

I am 1337.
1337 people think Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
128.) ARGUMENT FROM STUPIDITY

I am stupid.
If Islam was a true religion, it would be easy for me to understand it.
Therefore, Islam is false.
129.) ARGUMENT FROM ILLUMINATI

The Illuminati oppose Islam.
The Illuminati are mysterious.
Therefore, Islam is false.
130.) ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF SPECIFIC PREDICTIONS

Islam did not predict George Bush to be elected the President of the United States.
Therefore, Islam is false.
131.) ARGUMENT FROM KILLED MUSLIMS

There are muslims who were killed.
If Islam was a true religion, this would not have happened.
Therefore, Islam is false.
132.) ARGUMENT FROM SARCASM

LOL, Islam is true, right.. *sigh*, haha.
Therefore, Islam is false.
133.) ARGUMENT FROM DEATH THREATS

I will kill you.
Therefore, Islam is false.
134.) ARGUMENT FROM MUSLIM FRIENDSHIP

I have no Muslim friends.
Therefore, Islam is false.
135.) ARGUMENT FROM ALBERT EINSTEIN

Albert Einstein was a genius.
He wasn't a muslim however.
Therefore, Islam is false.
136.) ARGUMENT FROM MOSQUES

I don't like the shape of mosques.
Therefore, Islam is false.
137.) ARGUMENT FROM MOSQUES (II)

There are more churches in the United States than there are mosques.
Therefore, Islam is false.
138.) ARGUMENT FROM GAMBLING

I go to the casino every night.
Islam forbids gambling.
Hah, that religion is so dumb.
Therefore, Islam is false.
139.) ARGUMENT FROM LOW INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT (aka IQ ARGUMENT)

My IQ is 50.
I am a christian, not a muslim.
Therefore, Islam is false.
140.) ARGUMENT FROM HIGH INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT (aka IQ ARGUMENT #2)

My IQ is 170.
I am a christian, not a muslim.
Therefore, Islam is false.
141.) ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS

Muslims are blind, they do not see the truth.
If they saw the truth, they would be Christian.
Therefore, Islam is false.
142.) ARGUMENT FROM AD HOMINEM

You silly muslim you, you keep saying that Islam is against drinking but yet I saw you drink a beer last week.
Therefore, Islam is false.
143.) ARGUMENT FROM MEDITATION

I was meditating once when a message came to me.
The message was that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
144.) ARGUMENT FROM GIBBERISH

Zhfakjwhfajwfgawjawgdjwgfajwgdhafwdhagwdhaw!!!!
You can't refute 1.
Therefore, Islam is false.
145.) ARGUMENT FROM LAZYNESS

I am too lazy to convert to Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
146.) ARGUMENT FROM ACCENT

Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
147.) ARGUMENT FROM FATWA (aka ROBERT MOREY ARGUMENT #4)

The word "fatwa" means religious ruling in arabic.
Some arab muslims say this word to non-muslims.
Therefore, Islam is false.
148.) ARGUMENT FROM INTENTIONAL SPREADING OF INCORRECT INFORMATION

The Qur'an teaches Muslims to that kill every nonmuslim, marry as many women as they want, treat women any way they want, and kill themselves and others in the name of God.
I refuse to back this up with Qur'anic evidence.
But Islam is still false!
Therefore, Islam is false.
149.) ARGUMENT FROM LAUGHTER

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Therefore, Islam is false.
150.) ARGUMENT FROM MUSLIMS DON'T UNDERSTAND TRINITY

[Muslim asks Christian to explain how Jesus is the prince of peace of Jesus = Yahweh, a destructive, jealous, and violent God of the Old Testament.]
[Christian responds: It is simplistic to say that Jesus = God. It is far more complex than a simple equation like that. We think of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit like water, ice and steam. All three are H2O but yet different.]
[Christian continues: If Jesus = God as you say, then why did Jesus said, "My God, why have you forsaken me?" when he was on the Cross? If you are right, he would have said, "Myself, why have I forsaken myself."]
[Christian concludes: So they were of the same substance but yet different. In fact, there is a creature in existence in the world today that can be the same and yet different. This creature is the amoeba. When an amoeba grows to a certain size, it splits into two. The smaller half has exactly the same DNA (ie substance) as its parent but it is different or apart from its parent. Of course, I would expect that Jesus and God the Father to be far more complex than a simple amoeba. But this example illustrates that it is possible to be the same yet different.]
[Muslim asks for Biblical verse(s) teaching this interesting concept.]
[Christian responds: You don't understand trinity, but Islam is false.]
Therefore, Islam is false.
151.) ARGUMENT FROM 8-BIT ASCII TEXT BINARY ENCODING/DECODING

01001001011100110110110001100001011011010010000001 10100101110011001000000110011001100001011011000111 00110110010100101110.
Therefore, Islam is false.
152.) ARGUMENT FROM REPETITION

Islam is false.
Islam is false.
Islam is false.
Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
153.) ARGUMENT FROM OPEN YOUR EYES

Open your eyes. Realize that Islam is false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
154.) ARGUMENT FROM MASS CONVERSIONS

[Christian: There was a mass conversion to Christianity this weekend!]
[Muslim: There was a mass conversion to Islam yesterday!]
[Christian: Muslim propaganda!]
Therefore, Islam is false.
154.) ARGUMENT FROM SOPHISTICATED VOCABULARY

All of these big words I use make me look like an intellectual who has great knowledge of religion, philosophy, and of course, the true meaning of life.
Therefore, Islam is false.
155.) ARGUMENT FROM AGNOSTICISM

You are not 100% sure that Islam is true!
Therefore, Islam is false.
156.) ARGUMENT FROM PERCEPTION

Your perception is different than mine.
For example, if I wore blue glasses, I would see things differently.
Therefore, your views cannot be correct.
Therefore, Islam is false.
157.) ARGUMENT FROM OFFENSE

[Christian: Islam is barbaric, violent, and sadistic. So is everything that is connected with Islam.]
[Muslim: Christianity is barbaric, violent, and sadistic. So is everything that is connected with Christianity.]
[Christian: Please show some respect and stop being offensive.]
Therefore, Islam is false.
158.) ARGUMENT FROM REPLACEMENT OF "FALSE" WITH "WRONG"

Islam is wrong.
Therefore, Islam is false.
159.) ARGUMENT FROM MOHAMMEDANISM

When I call you a Mohammedan, you get offended!
Hello Mohammedan!
Haha.
Therefore, Islam is false.
160.) ARGUMENT FROM STROKE

My grandfather who was Muslim had a stroke and died.
If he was Christian, he would still be alive.
Therefore, Islam is false.
161.) ARGUMENT FROM SCHOOL

I have a Masters Degree.
Therefore, Islam is false.
162.) ARGUMENT FROM PORK CHOPS

Wow, these pork chops are delicious.
Therefore, Islam is false.
163.) ARGUMENT FROM PAX VOBIS (aka DENIS GIRON ARGUMENT)

Pax Vobis!
Therefore, Islam is false.
164.) ARGUMENT FROM FABRICATION OF ARTICLES (aka DENIS GIRON ARGUMENT #2)

I will fabricate articles about miraculous scientific facts related to Islam to see how fast they spread.
Hahaha, they're already on 3 Islamic websites!!
Therefore, I am a genius and have proven Islam to be false.
Therefore, Islam is false.
165.) ARGUMENT FROM OBESITY

You are a muslim, and you weigh 450 lbs.
Therefore, Islam is false.
166.) ARGUMENT FROM JUSTIFICATION OF IRAQI ABUSE

Those Iraqis that are abused by americans deserve it.
It is punishment for following the false religion of Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
167.) ARGUMENT FROM BENCHPRESS

I can benchpress 300 lbs.
I am a Christian.
Therefore, Islam is false.
168.) ARGUMENT FROM BENCHPRESS (II)

I know a guy who couldn't benchpress 45 lbs.
He was a Muslim.
Therefore, Islam is false.
169.) ARGUMENT FROM BENCHPRESS (III)

I know a Muslim guy who tried to benchpress 400 lbs on each side.
We had to call the ambulance because he injured himself badly.
Therefore, Islam is false.
170.) ARGUMENT FROM RIGHT

Islam is true.
Right...
Therefore, Islam is false.
171.) ARGUMENT FROM INCOHERENT SPEECH (aka DOUBLE-TALK ARGUMENT)

Islam and from it hasn't been is what we of course with it occured that it's false though.
Therefore, Islam is false.
172.) LINGUISTICAL ARGUMENT

Arabic is confusing.
Therefore, Islam is false.
173.) ARGUMENT FROM HATRED COMBINED WITH ANGER & DEPRESSION (aka ALI SINA ARGUMENT #2)

You muslim sand------- piece of s*** I hope you get shot in your face and your whole family dies in a horrible car crash.
Your bulls*** religion is f****** FALSE!!!!!!
Therefore, Islam is false.
174.) ARGUMENT FROM PROMISES

[Christian: If you can provide proof of point X, I will immediately confess that Islam is a true religion and become a Muslim]
[Muslim: Provides proof for point X.]
[Christian: I don't like it.]
Therefore, Islam is false.
175.) ARGUMENT FROM BULK-MAILING (aka ANSWERING ISLAM ARGUMENT #2)

I will send you 1000 e-mails with the subject "Islam is false!".
Therefore, Islam is false.
176.) PARENTAL ARGUMENT (II)

My uncle is a priest.
Therefore, Islam is false.
177.) ARGUMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

There hasn't been 1 president of the United States that followed the religion of Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
178.) ARGUMENT FROM SCARFACE

The movie "Scarface" with Al Pacino is a good movie.
The director wasn't a Muslim.
Therefore, Islam is a false.
179.) ARGUMENT FROM DEGENERATE MUSLIM FRIENDS

I have a Muslim friend who was born with 6 fingers and 6 toes.
Therefore, Islam is false.
180.) ARGUMENT FROM CHURCHES

Churches look very nice.
Therefore, Islam is false.
181.) PARENTAL ARGUMENT (III)

My parents are in the church choir.
Therefore, Islam is false.
182.) ARGUMENT FROM UGLYNESS

You are ugly.
Therefore, Islam is false.
183.) ARGUMENT FROM ALIEN ABDUCTION

Aliens abducted me once.
The Qur'an doesn't say that aliens will abduct people.
Therefore, Islam is false.
184.) ARGUMENT FROM PSYCHIC POWERS

My Extra Sensory Perception (ESP) allowed me to see the falsehood of Islam.
Therefore, Islam is false.
185.) ARGUMENT FROM YO

Yo.
Therefore, Islam is false.
186.) ARGUMENT FROM INAUTHENTIC HADITH

There are certain hadith that are labeled as inauthentic or unreliable by certain scholars.
If Islam was a true religion, every scripture relating to it must be authentic and reliable.
Therefore, Islam is false.
187.) ARGUMENT FROM JESSUP

Who told you to look for Jessup?
You have still not found him and you never will.
He only exists in your mind.
Therefore, Islam is false.
188.) ARGUMENT FROM WAKEMAN IS BIASED

WAKEMAN IS BIASED !!!!!!!!
Therefore, Islam is false.
189.) ARGUMENT FROM FATAL CAR ACCIDENTS

There are Muslims who have died in car accidents.
If Islam was a true religion, Allah would have made them invincible at the time of the crash so no harm comes to their bodies.
That didn't happen.
Therefore, Islam is false.
190.) ARGUMENT FROM NUMEROUS ARGUMENTS

I have many arguments against Islam.
At least one must be true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
191.) ARGUMENT FROM REBIRTH

People who convert to Christianity find themselves a reborn person.
Converting to Islam will not create this same feeling.
Therefore, Islam is false.
192.) ARGUMENT FROM NOTHING

...
Therefore, Islam is false.
193.) ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN WISDOM (aka MATTHEW SLICK ARGUMENT #6)

Listen people, Islam is false.
I know a lot more about this than I'm letting on.
Therefore, Islam is false.
194.) ARGUMENT FROM TRUE = FALSE

True = False.
Islam is true.
Therefore, Islam is false.
195.) ARGUMENT FROM JUDGMENT

You are a Muslim and you will burn in hell for eternity.
Therefore, Islam is false.
196.) ARGUMENT FROM AGE

I am older than you.
You are younger than me.
Therefore, Islam is false.
197.) ARGUMENT FROM PROOF #197

This Christian Proof Of Islamic Falsehood is No. 197.
197 is a bad number.
Therefore, Islam is false.
198.) ARGUMENT FROM FLIPPING THE SCRIPT OF 199 CHRISTIAN PROOFS OF ISLAMIC FALSEHOOD

I am gonna be smart and flip the script on this article.
Christianity disagrees with Islam.
Therefore, Christianity is false.
Haha!
Therefore, Islam is false.
199.) THE FINAL, MOST CONVINCING, AND MOST POWERFUL ARGUMENT

The Religion of Islam is a False Religion.
Therefore, Islam is false.

bro_faz
06-15-2005, 09:41 AM
:lol: :lol:

got no evidance ! how lame

i mean when someone argues christianity wrong (from a muslim point of view) they use evidance from the bible ;D saddo's ;)

aamirsaab
06-15-2005, 11:02 AM
or they call you a racist.

funny posts :D

fuzalert
06-15-2005, 08:30 PM
All arguments against islam posted in this thread are nonsense

aamirsaab
06-15-2005, 09:08 PM
I know, I'm just taking the mick out of them - it's fun. You should try it.

Ansar Al-'Adl
06-15-2005, 09:35 PM
:sl: brother,

All arguments against islam posted in this thread are nonsense
That's the point. :D Personally, In all the time I've spent discussing religion, I have not come across a single reasonable argument against Islam's validity.

:w:

Abdul Fattah
06-19-2005, 01:50 AM
They all seem very recognisable, and a good laughf.
Although not always said, you can often sense this type of thinking behind an argument. I think however it's more due to blindness/confussion/lack of knowledge rather then a lame attempt to conversate destructivly. That actually makes it sad rather then funny, make's me feel guilty for smiling when I read this :)

Muhammad
06-20-2005, 11:31 PM
:sl:

Seriously speaking, I was just wondering, are these ACTUAL things which people have said? I mean they're so ridiculous, it's hard to believe that anybody would be so stupid as to say something like:

I have no Muslim friends.
Therefore, Islam is false.
135.) ARGUMENT FROM ALBERT EINSTEIN

Albert Einstein was a genius.
He wasn't a muslim however.
Therefore, Islam is false.
136.) ARGUMENT FROM MOSQUES

And some don't even seem to make any sense

ROFL
Therefore, Islam is false.
125.) ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN IDOL

LOL, Islam is true, right.. *sigh*, haha.
Therefore, Islam is false.
133.) ARGUMENT FROM DEATH THREATS

I will kill you.
Therefore, Islam is false.
134.) ARGUMENT FROM MUSLIM FRIENDSHIP

Nakisai
06-20-2005, 11:57 PM
I read all of them 199 and they are real people in chat rooms

Ansar Al-'Adl
06-21-2005, 02:14 AM
:sl:

I read all of them 199 and they are real people in chat rooms
True.


Believe it or not Br. Muhammad, people actually use these arguments against Islam, whether conciously or unconciously. These are the arguments their mind gives their heart as an excuse to avoid accepting Islam.

:w:

Nakisai
06-21-2005, 02:18 AM
yes they are

YamahaR1
07-08-2005, 04:51 PM
I don't think any religion is "false" per se. I think pretty much that all religions share common themes. We all believe in a deity or higher power of some sort. We believe in living a life that encourages love and goodness. I see all major religions as being potential paths to higher understanding and truth - potential paths in the sense that they can provide a structure in which an individual can truly seek to live by love instead of fear. Its simply the manner in which we worship that is different.

Ansar Al-'Adl
07-08-2005, 07:11 PM
Peace be with you, YamahaR1!
I hope you have a pleasant stay on Load-Islam! :)

While you are certainly correct that all religions preach good and encourage morality, to say that they're all equal is to say that they're all false. Religions have vast differences in teachings when it comes to God, the origin of creation, the purpose in life, and the afterlife. Two mutually contradictory beliefs cannot both be true. Either one is wrong and the other is right, (or vice versa), or they're both wrong.

The way is one. Two straight paths running in two different directions will not lead to the same place.

Islam was the original message preached by all the Prophets of God, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, peace be upon them all. Islam was the original religion of all mankind at the start with Adam peace be upon him. Gradually, the followers of his messages began to deviate from their message, so God sent another Prophet, and so on until God sent His final Prophet, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

Therefore, the original message of all religions is the same - the Islamic message to worship your Lord alone without any partners and enjoin what is good, and forbid what is evil. The messages of religions have simply been changed, except for God's final revelation, which He has vowed to protect Himself. All previous messages were entrusted to their nations to preserve, but they were unable to preserve their messages.

please read the following link for more info:
http://www.beconvinced.com

:w:

Adnan_Malik
01-25-2006, 09:48 PM
=Muhammad;45748]:sl:
Seriously speaking, I was just wondering, are these ACTUAL things which people have said? I mean they're so ridiculous, it's hard to believe that anybody would be so stupid as to say something like:[/size]

Ur rite bro. it's so pathetic and sounds at the level of something a child would come up with. Then again thats an insult as I've seen brighter children with more capacity to reason that that poster.

Emmy
01-26-2006, 03:10 AM
:sl:

Ive heard more logical arguments from six-year-olds. Good for a laugh though.

kososhahab
02-07-2006, 01:06 PM
lolz... thing post is funny! but its kinda bad too...

Tilmeez
02-07-2006, 01:30 PM
I did not read it all... less few in stating.
I seems to be somethin very scholarly but the Mr. So called Scholar does not know the rules of Argument. for example Argument 7/8/9???
I wish i could say something really very hard and would make the writer know that u just screwed up ur time n effort. Even a sensible christan won't buy these ideas. [not offending any one especially christen friends out there]
:w:
ps brother kadafi :)

kososhahab
02-07-2006, 02:48 PM
u hav the point there, bro!!!

kososhahab
02-07-2006, 02:49 PM
Me on bhalf of the muslims here, wants to apologise for our stupid post!!!

kososhahab
02-07-2006, 02:54 PM
And i also agree tat this thread shud b removed!!!

"And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did." [6.108] Quran

Ghazi
02-07-2006, 04:45 PM
And i also agree tat this thread shud b removed!!!

"And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did." [6.108] Quran

Salaam

Well put bro

Christian_dove
02-07-2006, 05:53 PM
So much for freedom of expression, my post about "the 100 proofs.." was removed... Well, I have reconsidered. I think you should let this obviously insulting (to christians) post stay here. It is a good excercise for muslims to understand what freedom of speech is all about... If you wanna mock christians, please do so. I will enjoy with you as I have the ability to laugh at myself. But don't be mad when the laughter is on you. :)

kadafi
02-07-2006, 06:55 PM
This post was not meant to be a mockey to christians, rather it highlights the oft-used arguments from the Christian apologetics.

Sure, it may have a hint of mockey in the title but what matters most is the content.

Christian_dove
02-07-2006, 10:50 PM
This post was not meant to be a mockey to christians, rather it highlights the oft-used arguments from the Christian apologetics.

Sure, it may have a hint of mockey in the title but what matters most is the content.

Please, spear me... The whole post is flaming with sarcasm, and if that isn't mocking, then what is? And after all, you don't know what I as a christian feel when I read that stuff, wheter I am insulted or not. And the content may seem funny to a muslim, but it is actually just nonsense, nothing more. I can't even bother to get annoyed by it, because it is so far out. But as I said, I recognise muslims need to step on us (and this is "your" forum), express whatever you feel like, just don't behave like a bunch of virgins when the courtesy is returned. I can tell you one thing, I have been to many christian forums in my country, I have never seen muslims being rediculed in a manner like this.

Ansar Al-'Adl
02-08-2006, 04:33 AM
Please, spear me... The whole post is flaming with sarcasm, and if that isn't mocking, then what is?
The article was written after noting the arguments used by certain Christian missionaries in their debates with Muslims (that's why you will notice particular groups or people have been mentioned in the article). After seeing many Christians on this forum raise similar arguments the article was posted here to expose such fallacies.

But as I said, I recognise muslims need to step on us (and this is "your" forum)
Since you don't know the context behind why the article was posted or written or when, it seems imprudent for you to make such a judgement. The only connection the article has with Christianity is that it highlights the arguments of some Christians.

kososhahab
02-08-2006, 09:34 AM
aiyai yai yai yai!! this thread is vry controversial!! mayb we juz rmoved tis thread!!! easy!

Christian_dove
02-08-2006, 09:46 AM
The article was written after noting the arguments used by certain Christian missionaries in their debates with Muslims (that's why you will notice particular groups or people have been mentioned in the article). After seeing many Christians on this forum raise similar arguments the article was posted here to expose such fallacies.

Since you don't know the context behind why the article was posted or written or when, it seems imprudent for you to make such a judgement. The only connection the article has with Christianity is that it highlights the arguments of some Christians.

They don't seem very christian to me.. Now please tell me, for the sake of truth, where can I find these christians and their arguments? Any links?

Did a christian for instance say:

"I smoke, drink and have sex with different partners every night. My sins are forgiven because I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord & Saviour"??

I think you should reconsider. I've seen christians banned from this site for less insulting remarks than this. Did someone mention something about double standards?

kososhahab
02-08-2006, 09:55 AM
haha.. christian dove, u r right...

anyway , i don thiink we shud b mockin chistians although we hav differents believes...

"And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did" Quran 6.108

Ansar Al-'Adl
02-08-2006, 04:26 PM
They don't seem very christian to me.. Now please tell me, for the sake of truth, where can I find these christians and their arguments? Any links?
They are mentioned right in the article; If you had read it you would have seen their names like Matt Slick, Robert Morey, etc.

Christian_dove
02-08-2006, 05:30 PM
They are mentioned right in the article; If you had read it you would have seen their names like Matt Slick, Robert Morey, etc.

I think you should try and look into your heart to find the real reason as to why you want to have this post out. Is it because you think Islam is the only truthfull religion? Is it because it gives a certain (maybe small, but still...) boost to your pride to put another religion in a bad light? If you do not find it offensive towards christians, maybe you should read the post once again, and try and see it from a more objective point of view. Try replacing the word "christians" with "muslims" and vice versa.

Ansar Al-'Adl
02-08-2006, 08:32 PM
Its funny how you first asked for the names and now when I provide them to you, you quickly shift the subject and ignore your previous request! Since you do not know the context surrounding why this article was posted here, you're wasting your time asking me about it.

Why not use your time on this forum more productively, and we can discuss Christianity and Islam.

kososhahab
02-09-2006, 09:38 AM
nah. i think this is juz a miscommunication.. Relax evry1...
supposedly i blieve that this arguemnt post is actually from a christian...
however i also blieve that this argument post is too controversial and rude/offensive, so what i think we shud do is too juz remove this thread!!!

Anette
02-09-2006, 10:01 AM
I’m sorry but I cannot find any funny thing about this in the same way that I do not find it amusing when the same kind of lists is presented about Muslims.

I do not think anyone should try to make fun over each other’s religions. Isn’t it what the cartoon thing was all about?

Peace

Christian_dove
02-09-2006, 10:26 AM
Its funny how you first asked for the names and now when I provide them to you, you quickly shift the subject and ignore your previous request! Since you do not know the context surrounding why this article was posted here, you're wasting your time asking me about it.

Why not use your time on this forum more productively, and we can discuss Christianity and Islam.

You gave me the name Matt Slick but no reference as to where I can find the posts. Why do you ignore MY requests? I know of Slick, but I haven't read any posts from him in here. He is a radical, and if his quotes are what you consider opinions of the avarage christians, then I may say that the opinion of Bin Laden is that of the average muslim. Fair enough?

I have read some of your replies to people however, and to be honest, not often do I see anyone as self rightous as you. You redicule other people who has good points, and if you don't like the questions asked you simply ban people. I can't believe you are the administrator of a "serious" site! You sound like a very narrow minded person, someone who has made up his mind (Islam is from Allah, everything else is bad) and whos only intention with discussing is to convince others of their mistakes. I am looking to find the truth, but I have to this day never met anyone who knows the secrets of God, only people who themselves believe they have the truth. They don't. Noone is further away from truth than those who claim to have it. Noone.

Christian_dove
02-09-2006, 10:34 AM
Please check the rules; we don't allow pasting material from anti-islamic sites.

Ansar Al-'Adl
02-09-2006, 01:26 PM
You gave me the name Matt Slick but no reference as to where I can find the posts. Why do you ignore MY requests? I know of Slick, but I haven't read any posts from him in here.
He doesn't post here. As for why this article was posted here, it was posted in response to a wave of radical christians we got who joined the forum. Again, as I said before, you don't know thje context as to why this article was posted so you're wasting time arguing over it.


I have read some of your replies to people however, and to be honest, not often do I see anyone as self rightous as you. You redicule other people who has good points, and if you don't like the questions asked you simply ban people. I can't believe you are the administrator of a "serious" site! You sound like a very narrow minded person, someone who has made up his mind (Islam is from Allah, everything else is bad) and whos only intention with discussing is to convince others of their mistakes.
I'm very sorry you feel that way. I don't know which of my posts you have read but I have had may friendly dialogues with Christians, Agnostics and Atheists on this forum as well. I have to be strict with those people who join to abuse the forum or insult Islam, but anyone who seeks a respectful dialogue will never be turned away.

Regards

Christian_dove
02-09-2006, 01:51 PM
I'm very sorry you feel that way. I don't know which of my posts you have read but I have had may friendly dialogues with Christians, Agnostics and Atheists on this forum as well. I have to be strict with those people who join to abuse the forum or insult Islam, but anyone who seeks a respectful dialogue will never be turned away.

Regards

I am sure you have had many "friendly" dialogues. As long as they didn't post anything critical about Islam. How can you belive in a faith that you are unable to defend? The quotes I listed was genuin quotes made by islamists, or people claiming to be islamists... Yes, they were far worse than whatever Mr Matt Slick ever wrote, but that is because you wont find many christians arguing for the use of violence. While muslim schoolars write books about it.. Interesting that you avoid those ideas in stead of standing up against them. In most westerners eyes, that is because you agree. You will never ever hear that apologies for the muhammad cartoons that you are so much waiting for. And that's because muslims from the 3. world do not have the faintest idea as to what freedom is... The way islam presents itself resembles the way the nazis did in the early 30'ies. Make all oponents shut up, and if they don't, kill them.

Christian_dove
02-09-2006, 01:54 PM
And as for that statement of yours, I did not enter this forum to redicule Islam, I came here to serch for the truth in regards to what your faith is all about, and believe me, I found out.

Muezzin
02-09-2006, 01:55 PM
And as for that statement of yours, I did not enter this forum to redicule Islam, I came here to serch for the truth in regards to what your faith is all about, and believe me, I found out.
That's kind of inflammatory don't you think?

Ansar Al-'Adl
02-09-2006, 07:21 PM
I am sure you have had many "friendly" dialogues. As long as they didn't post anything critical about Islam.
One can have an intellectual dialogue on the validity or inerrancy in another's religion without being rude, insulting, or disrespectful. But I suppose you haven't realized that yet.

How can you belive in a faith that you are unable to defend?
Quite ironic that you should say something like this to me. The number of non-muslims I have debated with over Islam on this forum is quite significant:
Sephiroth
Sinner
czgibson
Reighnskye
hawk
PrIM3
Space falcon
mansio
yoshiyahu
morrissey
YamahaR1
CarrieValandez
justahumane
POBook
Root
HeiGou
Organized Chaos
Daoud

I could keep listing names, but I think I've made my point. I am someone who is always open to dialogue and I welcome objective criticism that is done with respect. I have no problem debating my religion.

sargon
02-09-2006, 11:16 PM
I too noticed a sarcastic hint in the responses, but the overall message was that a lot of Christians debate us Muslims with baseless allegations.

There has been a lot of abuse done by Christian missionaries and they use a lot of bad sources for their information, if you look at my topic "anti-Islamic propaganda."

If you feel offense for you religion, your god, it's a good sign in my eyes of the faithful :) I think it's one of the few matters the prophet(pbuh) actually became upset about, actually I'm pretty sure he only got upset about religous matters.

kososhahab
02-10-2006, 10:07 AM
Well, why don't you look at the stories in which your religion is based on: Jesus bringing the dead to life with one touch, making the blind see, and the deaf hear (which is all agreed upon by the Muslims by the way). Also, look at the story of Moses when he splited the sea with one hit by his stick (that too is agreed upon by the Muslims).

How can you explain these stories with our current logic today?

MinAhlilHadeeth
02-10-2006, 10:46 AM
lol....great first post....."islam is false therefore islam is false"...lol

:thumbs_up

haha... absolutely hilarious!!!!!

:w::rose::peace:

POBook
02-10-2006, 10:49 AM
I hope it's OK for me to enter this discussion. What religion do you have izmi?

Sincerely,

POBook
02-10-2006, 10:51 AM
What does "AL-AMEERATUL_JIHAD" mean?

kososhahab
02-10-2006, 11:12 AM
wat makes u think i know the answer?? lolz

Christian_dove
02-10-2006, 11:14 AM
Well, why don't you look at the stories in which your religion is based on: Jesus bringing the dead to life with one touch, making the blind see, and the deaf hear (which is all agreed upon by the Muslims by the way). Also, look at the story of Moses when he splited the sea with one hit by his stick (that too is agreed upon by the Muslims).

How can you explain these stories with our current logic today?

I think the reason is because both the old and the new testament was written before the quoran. Therefor they may have been used as a source.

Christian_dove
02-10-2006, 11:32 AM
That's kind of inflammatory don't you think?

You really like that word, inflammatory, don't you? :) Think I have seen you use it before... Well, when someone just deletes my post with authentic muslim quotes while leaving the idiotic "100 hundred proofs..", then I consider them to be pathetic and I react. You cannot have discussions if one part continues to remove posts, just because they don't like them. How can one ever find the truth?

For instance, this quote from the book "Jihad in Islam", by Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, who lived as recently as 1979. Now, I have found books about him listed on a islamic site (http://www.jamaat.org/overview/writingsabout.html), and therefor I assume that muslims can tell me their opinion of his words:

"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State."

Now, we have radical christians and they can say crappy things as well, but I have never seen anything like this. What if we swap a bit, would muslims be concerned if a christian schoolar who is quoted in several christian books would say something like this:

"Christianity wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Christ regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Christianity is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Christianity or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Christian State."

I don't think a post with statements like these are something an administrator should just ignore and delete. How can we ever have peace on this planet if people believe that muslims have these ideas, to destroy all states, and you as muslims just ignore questions about it???

kososhahab
02-10-2006, 12:22 PM
dove, the link u giv is not workin...

kososhahab
02-10-2006, 12:27 PM
"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State."

i totally disagree with the above statement and i don think i was from a muslim at alll!!! 100% Disagree!! :? :? :?

it is also going against the principles of islam!!!

wat the crap??? it is all bull****!!! i mean no offense but it is totally unbelievable and so wrong!!!

kososhahab
02-10-2006, 12:28 PM
Quote:
"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State."


i totally disagree with the above statement and i don think it was from a muslim at alll!!! 100% Disagree!!

it is also going against the principles of islam!!!

wat the crap??? it is all bull****!!! i mean no offense but it is totally unbelievable and so wrong!!!

kososhahab
02-10-2006, 12:29 PM
i'm so sorry for being a lil bit harsh on u!!!
may u forgiv me...

Christian_dove
02-10-2006, 01:13 PM
dove, the link u giv is not workin...

Yes, I noticed. It works from here, but not when I put it in the posting. Let's try again:

http://www.jamaat.org/overview/writingsabout.html

Christian_dove
02-10-2006, 01:14 PM
i'm so sorry for being a lil bit harsh on u!!!
may u forgiv me...

Forgiveness is the essence of christianity, as we forgive we will be forgiven our own threspassings...

akulion
02-10-2006, 01:19 PM
well some of those things are actually true

One sis who frequented our forums was convinced Islam is the truth

However she PMed me and said "my husband is a christian and i have 3 kids, if I became Muslim i would have to leave my husband and my house would be broken. so even though I believe in Islam but I cannot bear the price, sorry"

and she left.....

it was very sad for me

but its true people do many times dont accept Islam because of family despite being convinced

akulion
02-10-2006, 01:20 PM
hey my post got posted twice - sorry about that

someone delete this one please :)

songinwind
02-10-2006, 01:43 PM
By Demijan Omeragic

(Some arguments presented in the Christ in Judo-Christianity (http://showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=703) by some wannabe-Christian apologists --see bold text) :D

1) ARGUMENT FROM DISAGREEMENT



I believe that the Bible is the word of God.
The Qur'ân disagrees with the Bible.
Therefore, Islam is false.2) ARGUMENT FROM ACTIONS OF PROPHETS
......
(long post edited)




:) Salam. Have beautiful day, inshaAllah:thankyou:

songinwind
02-10-2006, 01:50 PM
You really like that word, inflammatory, don't you? :) Think I have seen you use it before... Well, when someone just deletes my post with authentic muslim quotes while leaving the idiotic "100 hundred proofs..", then I consider them to be pathetic and I react. You cannot have discussions if one part continues to remove posts, just because they don't like them. How can one ever find the truth?

For instance, this quote from the book "Jihad in Islam", by Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, who lived as recently as 1979. Now, I have found books about him listed on a islamic site (http://www.jamaat.org/overview/writingsabout.html), and therefor I assume that muslims can tell me their opinion of his words:

"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State."

Now, we have radical christians and they can say crappy things as well, but I have never seen anything like this. What if we swap a bit, would muslims be concerned if a christian schoolar who is quoted in several christian books would say something like this:

"Christianity wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Christ regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Christianity is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Christianity or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Christian State."

I don't think a post with statements like these are something an administrator should just ignore and delete. How can we ever have peace on this planet if people believe that muslims have these ideas, to destroy all states, and you as muslims just ignore questions about it???



intresting:X ....u said >>"Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State."

Can u please tell me , where in the Quran or Sunnah...it says this, as these are the only 2 I read:) ..."links, sites, and all the rest " can be lies:) . and we are warned of this,,,,:)

Christian_dove
02-10-2006, 01:51 PM
well some of those things are actually true

One sis who frequented our forums was convinced Islam is the truth

However she PMed me and said "my husband is a christian and i have 3 kids, if I became Muslim i would have to leave my husband and my house would be broken. so even though I believe in Islam but I cannot bear the price, sorry"

and she left.....

it was very sad for me

but its true people do many times dont accept Islam because of family despite being convinced

Would it have been the same if she was a christian and he was a muslim?

Would he have accepted her religion?

In fact the Bible says that a christian man do not have to leave his wife even so if she is not a christian. Through him and his faith in God his wife will also become holy (according to Bible, when two are married they become one..). So therefor I see no reason as to why she had to deny her faith. But obviously there could be problems, what faith would the children have, etc. Eventually one of them would have to give in.

Ansar Al-'Adl
02-10-2006, 07:56 PM
Hello Christian dove,
I see you have not responded to my previous reply. In any case, plase allow me to comment on what you have written:

For instance, this quote from the book "Jihad in Islam", by Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, who lived as recently as 1979.
First of all, the sources of Islam are the Qur'an and the Sunnah, period. Neither Maududi, nor anyone else defines the true Islamic teachings - you have to go back to the Qur'an and the sunnah. So if you want to prove something about Islam you have to quote for me from the Qur'an and Ahadith and substantiate your claim from that. Some anti-islamists have tried to compiled a list of misquoted verses and ahadith to support their claims, yet all such claims have been debunked here:
http://www.load-islam.com/c/rebuttals/Misquoted

As for Maududi, he like any human being, made some mistakes, especially in his methodology. And while we respect him, we pray Allah swt forgives him for his mistakes and we do not follow him in those mistakes.


How can we ever have peace on this planet if people believe that muslims have these ideas, to destroy all states, and you as muslims just ignore questions about it???
If people believe such things then they should go to the Muslims and find out the truth, seeking to learn. Learning and understanding is best achieved when we meet eachother with respect and ask questions earnestly for the sake of clarification.

Regards

Christian_dove
02-10-2006, 08:05 PM
As for Maududi, he like any human being, made some mistakes, especially in his methodology. And while we respect him, we pray Allah swt forgives him for his mistakes and we do not follow him in those mistakes.

Regards

Anyone can make mistakes, and it's good to hear that muslims actually are aware of it. Thank you for your reply.

kososhahab
02-11-2006, 02:03 AM
Anyone can make mistakes, and it's good to hear that muslims actually are aware of it. Thank you for your reply.

do u actually mean anything, when u say this... i think u r trying to say sumtin...

MinAhlilHadeeth
02-15-2006, 11:24 AM
What does "AL-AMEERATUL_JIHAD" mean?
Al Ameeratul Jihad mean
Al- The
Ameeratul- Leader (feminine form)
Jihad- Striving in the way of God

But this is off-topic:).
Hope that answered your question.

:w::rose::peace:

Malsidabym
02-18-2006, 04:52 AM
No disrespect to christians or muslims or either respective faith, but it just seems to me that usually the arguments to debunk the claims of the other and "prove" the "truth" of one own, are usually really quite the same just from one side of the fence and then the other. The "proof" that is offered is usually from the Bible or the Quran. While the bible is proof enough for a christian, it is not for a muslim, and vice versa. Other "proof" is offered in the form of literature, documents, media coverage, etc, usually from a biased source that favors one view over the other.
I guess I am just trying to say that both sides cannot actually be proved (in this life anyway), although one "sees" thier evidence as proof the other cannot. Why? Because what is necessary to see the evidence the same way is faith in the same way. Both sides feel strongly. Both deserve respect. Sometimes the arguments in here lack that respect. I am as guilty of that as anyone. And I apologize to any I've offended. Peace to all.

Turin Turambar
02-18-2006, 05:56 AM
To Malsidab:
I tried to answer your message but I couldn't. I agree completely with you, but isn't the truth worth a little effort? And isn't the key to Christianity having Hope when the situation is hopeless?

Denis Giron
07-07-2006, 02:52 AM
I just saw this now...


163.) ARGUMENT FROM PAX VOBIS (aka DENIS GIRON ARGUMENT)

Pax Vobis!
Therefore, Islam is false.

I know you meant this is sarcasm, but, really, what? For your information, "Pax Vobis" means "peace be with you". Is a greeting of peace grounds for attack in your opinion?



164.) ARGUMENT FROM FABRICATION OF ARTICLES (aka DENIS GIRON ARGUMENT #2)

I will fabricate articles about miraculous scientific facts related to Islam to see how fast they spread.
Hahaha, they're already on 3 Islamic websites!!
Therefore, I am a genius and have proven Islam to be false.
Therefore, Islam is false.

I never used any such argument. The point was to show the gullibility of some Muslims regarding the scientific-hermeneutic approach, and in that regard I was successful to some degree.

Ansar Al-'Adl
07-07-2006, 03:45 AM
Greetings Denis,
Welcome to the forum.

Just in case you didn't know, the article (http://geocities.com/domerag/199proofs.html) was written by Demijan Omeragic (http://www.islamicboard.com/members/d-o-283.html), so he's the one to take your response up with.

Peace.

Abdul-Raouf
07-07-2006, 04:26 AM
All arguments against islam posted in this thread are nonsense


we can write those stupid arguments for any religion.......... and make it false...

Looking4Peace
07-07-2006, 04:43 AM
That was the most funny illiterate junk i ever read, is this a real argument that people go by?, wow, i think the human race is getting dummer by the day, not everyone, but too many

searchingsoul
07-07-2006, 06:46 AM
I used to think it was a joke, but recently some christians took it upon themselves to prove that those really are their arguments.

pathetic.

I'm a Christian and I agree that this list of 100 arguments are pathetic and irrational. I want to point out that this list was not composed by a well known or respected Christian scholar. I just ask that Christianity not be judged by the actions of this particular person.

mujahedeen2087
07-07-2006, 07:36 AM
based on those arguments im converting to christianity...lol

Fishman
07-07-2006, 08:03 AM
:sl:

Another argument used by non-Muslims:
1. No man can invent a highly sopisticated religion in 23 years.
2. Therfore Islam is false.

Here's another:
1. There are three biased external reports of Muhammad which contradict Islamic history.
2. There are thousands of possibly baised Muslim reports of Muhammad that conform with Islamic history.
3. The Muslim reports are biased.
4. The non-Muslim reports are also biased, but I'll ignore that.
5. Islam is false.

:w:

DAWUD_adnan
07-07-2006, 08:08 AM
did they really say this?

its weird, and if it is a joke its FUNNY

searchingsoul
07-07-2006, 08:22 AM
I'm finding that all religious arguments such as these are equally absurd in their allegations, yet brilliant in their explanations. I don't like to devote time to reading such arguments. I think it comes down to a matter of faith or coercion.

Fishman
07-07-2006, 11:59 AM
did they really say this?

its weird, and if it is a joke its FUNNY
:sl:
They really did use the arguments that I mentioned.
:w:

Malaikah
07-07-2006, 12:02 PM
1) ARGUMENT FROM DISAGREEMENT

I believe that the Bible is the word of God.
The Qur'ân disagrees with the Bible.
Therefore, Islam is false.

:sl:

Thats actually not a bad argument. :rollseyes As Muslims we believe things because its been stated in the Quran, and we believe in the Quran.. so anything that disagrees with it must be false.

I think its only fair that christians would make the same claim, even though we dont agree that the bible is true in the first place.

Hijrah
07-07-2006, 02:20 PM
quite interesting my man, PROPS!

Umar001
07-07-2006, 04:15 PM
I dont get if this is meanto be a joke or what.

Hmm, why aint this in like the general chat funny jokes or something.

I think I might do an Islamic one.

100 Muslim proofs that Christianity is False.

That would be interesting since I have quizzed some muslim as to why they believe in Islam and their answers were just as bad :p

searchingsoul
07-07-2006, 04:17 PM
:sl:

Thats actually not a bad argument. :rollseyes As Muslims we believe things because its been stated in the Quran, and we believe in the Quran.. so anything that disagrees with it must be false.

I think its only fair that christians would make the same claim, even though we dont agree that the bible is true in the first place.


Excellent point cheese. If we put ourselves in the shoes of the other person, arguments that seem silly to us seem more logical.

Ansar Al-'Adl
07-07-2006, 04:18 PM
It's fine as a belief but it fails as a logical argument.

wilberhum
07-12-2006, 09:45 PM
I liked 7 the best.

7) ARGUMENT FROM SIZE
1. Christianity is currently (12/15/03) larger than Islam.
2. Therefore, Islam is false.
Is this the same logic:
1. Islam is the fastest growing religion.
2. Therefor, Islam is true.

snakelegs
07-12-2006, 10:19 PM
sometimes i just don't understand you muslims and christians.
faith is not something you can prove, with scientific and concrete examples.
it is faith.
for the believer, his religion is true. that seems simple enough to me - why do you feel the need to try to "prove" anything, when it cannot be done???

snakelegs
07-13-2006, 12:58 AM
Faith should not be placed in unreasonable or illogical doctrines. Faith should be constructed upon logical and objective study of the truth. You may be interested to read the following by Dr. Laurence Brown:
http://www.leveltruth.com/documents/Appendix3.pdf

thanks ansar - looks like an interesting read. will do so later.

Fishman
09-25-2006, 02:07 PM
:sl:


115.) ARGUMENT FROM BIZARRE SCIENTIFIC FACTS

1. My dad says bees come from olives.
2. Islam doesn't teach that.
3. Therefore, Islam is false.
Uberlol!
:w:

Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-29-2006, 04:37 PM
LOL! omg i cant believe people think this way!

Fishman
09-29-2006, 04:44 PM
LOL! omg i cant believe people think this way!
:sl:
I'm pretty sure nobody believes that bees come from olives!
:w:

Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-29-2006, 04:45 PM
lol! I think it's a disgrace to the intellectual Christians.

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