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MTAFFI
Do a simple Google, yahoo, cnn, al-jazeera search, very easy to find
I've triet, no luck please help me you seem to know so much about it.
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MTAFFI
Right, the US removes a dictator, and sectarian violence breaks out... you will notice though that the first few months there (before al-qaeda started arriving) there was a relative calm, perhaps Al-qaeda or the groups that spawned off of them are responsible, did that ever cross your mind?
Actually no! The first months were blooded months. The reason that they were not the most blooded is simply because no one was prepared to fight.
During those months people robbed and stole from every far corner of Iraq, hundreds of thosuands left Iraq, and those who were going to fight started taking from what was left of the old Iraqi Army.No man in Iraq had a gun in his backyard, those who were going to fight would have to find a gun. People were preparing themselves for a war! "Did that ever cross your mind?"
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MTAFFI
Of course it is made up, everything is just made up, really al-qaeda just wants to go back to picking flowers or not existing at all and just live in peace with the rest of the world....
Alot of stuff is made up, america claimed that Saddam had weopens of mass distruction but it turned out to be a lie. Shortly after the assasination of Benazir Bhutto the american and the pakistani government blaimed al-Qaida for the assasination but it too turned out to be a lie. Most of what america have claimed have turned out to be a lie, which is why muslims and many others do not trust america any longer.
And yes al-Qaida wants peace, they just dont want to achieve peace in the wrong way which would be to allie yourself with america and accept what they have done to muslims in the past.
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MTAFFI
Ahh, here we are again, they are supported by al-qaeda but that doesnt make them al-qaeda huh? Well then apply that logic to israel and the US, oh wait that doesnt suit your cause does it?
al-Qaida is not controlling the Islamic Magreb, America is controlling israel.
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MTAFFI
Right, so desecrating or blowing up houses of worship is all of a sudden an acceptable tactic? No, not in Islam it isnt, it is actually strictly forbidden. Not to mention the people were innocent
It depends on who's house of worship it is. The synagogue was owned by the israeli government and the money given to it would be automatically send to israel. Usually a place of worship is not a tourist attraction, the synagogue was not even used for worshipping! The people who died had all payed the israeli government, so how can you say that they were civilians? They were unarmed but they were not civilians. Those tourists payed the Israeli government money that would later be used to steal more lands from the palesitnians and kill more palestinians.
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MTAFFI
It isnt their country, so the sunni's dont need them to understand anything
They are both muslims who are both against the american imperialism. The sunni's need the few al-Qaida members (those who see the sunni's as betrayers) to understand that they have no choice! The sunni's need them to understand or else the sunni's be attacked further.
Btw, in Islam where your from does not matter.
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MTAFFI
Right, so 9/11 was self defense? The countless bombings on embassies, etc are self defense? No not really, more of a move to bring the US to middle eastern ground to fight, just like OBL said in one of his statements. He wants the US in the M.E. to fight, he is the aggressor and he started this...
Yes 9/11 was self defense and so was the bombed embassies. Amrica refused to leave the middle east, they were offered peace so many times but kept ignoring the offers. America attacked the middle east and started this war Bin Laden is simply giving back to america what they have given to the middle east for so many years. In order for the americans to realise that what they have bin doing and are doing is not acceptable america must be attacked! They were attacked and looks what happening! The americans no longer support the war in Iraq, and now america is about to get a president that wants the america out of the middle east, which is the only thing that al-Qaida and every muslim wants. America are the ones who have stolen over 90% of palestine, killed millions of muslims and tortured hundreds of thousands. They are the ones who have have replaced every single democratically elected government and replaced it with their own men who will do anything that america tells them to do. America started this...
format_quote Originally Posted by
MTAFFI
If self defense is a cirumstance, that is fine, but the foreign fighter who went to Iraq and have since joined in on killing Iraqi civilians and so on are not there in self defense, only the iraqis are there in self defense and no one is carrying out a military assault on the Iraqi civilian except al-qaida, if the US were there to kill all Iraqis, we would do so by air and large bombs, not by sending 155k troops to police their streets.
No foreign muslim fighter have ever deliberately killed an iraqi civilian and even the iraqi's agree on that so who are you to say anything different?
The foreign muslim fighters are in Iraq to defend Iraq! To help the sunni's and the shia locals! America are not carrying out a full military assault on the Iraqi civilians because they cant! Doing so would start a new world war in which america are seen as the bad guys through all eyes. You have killed thousands of civilians by air and large bombs, the 155K troops were send there to remove the Saddam regime, a regime that was against israel and the american imperialism. The 155k troops were send there to replace the Saddam regime with a just as barbaric regime, one that unlike the Saddam regime supports israel and america and will do anything that america tells them to do.
If you are there to help, the Iraqi's would not be fighting you!
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MTAFFI
proof? yes there have been cases abu gharib, etc. each has been investigated and those involved have been or are being tried in a military court (harsher than civilian court), those involved will lead a sorry life if they choose to stay in the US for their crimes. What has been done to those on al-qaedas side who commit war crimes? Where is that justice system?
Those involved in the Abu Ghraib case were all given some easy punishments. Two of them were sentenced to 7 and 10 years in prison, others were fired and banned from the military for a number of years while nothing happend to others. Does that seem right knowing how brutally and barbarically they tortured and killed iraqi prisoners? The al-Qaida members caught are all sent to Guantanamo Bay where they arent even executed but instead tortured barbarically every single day, and most of the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay are in fact only suspected al-Qaida members yet they are brutally tortured and treated as animals!
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MTAFFI
They should without a doubt all be executed! They killed the girls family probably in front of her, and then raped her barbarically! Only one of them faces a possible death sentence! Is that justice?
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MTAFFI
He could have stopped it but instead he stood a few feets away from the girl watching her being raped and her entire family being shot in front of her eyes. Is that justice? He should be executed the same way that he executed a entire family and raped the daughter!
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MTAFFI
3 years in prison for manslaughter, and another marine got 18 months in prison for manslaughter! Is that justice?
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MTAFFI
10 years in prison for executing prisoners (both men and woman) through torturing? While others were given much lighter sentences. Is that justice?
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MTAFFI
YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO A SEARCH BUT US SOLDIERS ARE CONSTANTLY PUNISHED FOR ANY WRONGDOING THEY COMMIT IN IRAQ
Please note the 100 year sentence for rape, which typically carries a 7-15 year in the US
They are punished but they are given much lighter sentences than what they would have got if were it americans that they had killed.
100 year sentence for mass raping a girl, shooting her mother, father and 8 year old sister in front of her eyes and then shooting the 14 year old girl.
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MTAFFI
I wont dispute any plan Bush may have or have had but I think judging by the use of force in Iraq today, that the US is there to try and help stabilize the country.
If they are there to help why dont they start by helping the saudish and the egyptians who have because of america never experienced any sort of democracy! Why dont they help the extremly poor egyptians and arabs in middle east? They are not there to help, they are there to colonize yet another country, and then leave behind a brutal dictator that will do what ever america tells him to do. If they were there to help they would start by removing the poorness in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Tunisia, Algeria and many others, they wouldnt unstable yet another country and then start from there.