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krypton6
He did more harm to the middle east than what he did any good for and because of that I dont like him too much, I just want what he want which is a free middle east.
And that's exactly what I meant when I said his complaint was poorly presented. Please, DEFINE what you mean by a
free Middle East?
I understand the concept as it's applied to "after" the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but I'm still not 100% on the concept BEFORE all this 911 crap happened, except that the issue stems from the state that has been called Israel.
I can deal with that state, but I have no idea how Muslims define a "free Middle East" or what they expect for a satisfactory out-come because Muslims don't seem to agree on what the out-come itself should look like.
You just have no idea how frustrating it is, when viewing all the histories, to be looking in from the outside! Some Muslims like America and want us there, like Saudi Arabia. Others hate us there and hate our influence, even though we never hated or feared the Muslim influence. If we do something to please one Muslim country, we wind up pissing off another so we're always confused - or at least we appear to be.
For me, personally, this is a major challenge because I hear every dispute. No Muslim scholar has a problem complaining to me because I'm willing to hear them out. The problem? They'll all talk to me - but they won't talk to each other!
So... what if Israel disappeared? Would that please the Middle East? No. Why? Because the scholars have differences of opinion on what a free Middle East would look like - they're not all on the same page and they don't even trust each other enough to Assemble under one roof and work it all out. It's all very confused!
For instance, Osama recently published the following statement:
I contest this unjust statement and remind you all that the morality and culture of the Holocaust belongs to YOUR culture (Western), not OUR culture. In fact, burning living beings is forbidden in our religion… even if they are as small as an ant, so what of man? The holocaust had been carried out in the middle of Europe! Had this happened closer to our countries, most of them would have been saved, by taking refuge with us. My proof for this accusation is found in your history, when the Spanish set up the horrible courts of the Inquisition to try both Muslims and Jews. The Jews only found safe shelter by taking refuge in our countries and that is why the Jewish community in Morocco is one of the largest communities in the world today. They are alive – with us – and we have not incinerated them… nor shall we ever incinerate them! Also, your Christian brothers have lived among us for 14 centuries! In Egypt alone there are millions of Christians and we have not and shall not ever incinerate them!
Now, what am I to make of this? Incineration is what happens when you fire a missile into a building. Incineration happens when you set off a powerful bomb in a marketplace. So what is he trying to say here? Was he trying to state that, should the U.S. withdraw it's defense of Israel, there would be no slaughter of the Israeli people? It sounds that way. It also seemed that he did not object to a small Jewish community there, similar to the ones in Egypt and Morocco. The problem? Osama does not speak for ALL Muslims.
So, the definition of "free Middle East" is impossible for anyone to understand, Muslims included, since some do and some don't agree with Osama. Some do and don't agree with Hezbollah. Some do and some don't agree with... you see where this goes?
The Jews have the same problem. There is a serious dispute concerning whether that state violates Jewish holy law. I say it does, but there are others who say it doesn't. I accuse them of picking and choosing between the laws to suit their purpose: They say they don't have to obey the laws of the international court because they are only required to obey holy law. On the other hand, the presence of that state is a violation of holy law.
As much as I'd love to see the end of the matter, I somehow feel it will never happen because the complaints just go around in circles like this!
The Ninth Scribe