Will Sharia Law ever work in Britain?

[CosmicPathos]

Being from a mixed English/Pakistani background and proud of that, I'd have to say I don't really care. I accept people of all ethnic backgrounds equally and that is what makes the world such a vibrant place to live.

I think the real question is, how long will Islam survive in the U.K? Mosques are becoming more empty, the younger Muslims are becoming more interested in leading a 'Western' lifestyle and adhering to 'Western' values. To talk about Shariah is therefore quite humorous at this point.

Had an inkling that you are a pakistani kaafir. Oh well. Used to think being a Pakistani was synonymous with being a Muslim. Time to change the definition.

[Italianguy]

Just calling it like I see it.

Okay, but to scoff or insult ones beliefs aren't right. You shouldn't call there beliefs a laughing matter.:hmm:

[جوري]

Always a pleasure Skye.

The pleasure can only be yours!

I love how anyone has to be an expert in 'X' to even express an opinion on 'X'

You are entitled to your opinion, simply don't expect to pass it as a fact and others to take it face value!

when it comes to Islamic matters! Thanks, but I would rather not waste my life studying Islamic Law.

Great, thanks for that, I'd recommend you also not waste your life on an Islamic forum where you are likely to be ridiculed on more than one ground, and the most alarming of all is your degree of ignorance!

But as usual you have not answered my question and instead appeal to ridicule -

You made no questions, simply asinine observations which you expected to have some weightiness because well, you said so!

do you want Shariah law because it means that any opinion on Islam other than yours would be punishable by death?

Do you want secular law because it means you can copulate like a donkey on the street? :shade:

all the best

[Eliphaz]

Had an inkling that you are a pakistani kaafir. Oh well. Used to think being a Pakistani was synonymous with being a Muslim. Time to change the definition.

Have you been to Pakistan lately? Maybe you should.

And for the record, I am not an atheist. Not that that matters I'm sure to how you percieve me, kafirs are kafirs right?

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[Eliphaz]

Okay, but to scoff or insult ones beliefs aren't right. You shouldn't call there beliefs a laughing matter.:hmm:

Please kindly point out where I did that Italianguy and I will apologise to all those offended without hesitation!

[CosmicPathos]

Have you been to Pakistan lately? Maybe you should.

And for the record, I am not an atheist. Not that that matters I'm sure to how you percieve me, kafirs are kafirs right?

Well I actually did last summer. Of course atheists have been there since olden days (communists etc) but democratic atheists are a new breed. They usually belong to well-to-do families or are poor academicians at local universities. Also got to debate with a communist of Mazdoor Kisan Party and some other atheist uncle. Was fun to see their ignorance of science and the nature around them.

And ooh, you guys also habituate universities such as LUMS eh. Did not visit it but got to hear that you guys are a heavy majority there. And also Indus Valley School of Art in Karachi? A kaafir professor made fun of a niqabi colleague there if I remember. Heard that Pervez Hoodboy is like the messiah of your cult there among many others?

[Eliphaz]

Do you want secular law because it means you can copulate like a donkey on the street? :shade:

all the best

Define 'secular law' and please define which 'secular law' allows one to copulate like 'a donkey on a street'. Then - as I understand you live in America - please tell me why you chose to live under such a law.

[Supreme]

I have different questions to Englishmen, Brittons - How you think, how long will UK last as european,white majority country?

- 30 years, 50 years, 100 years?
- you dont care about it?

Who cares. I am in a relationship with a beautiful black girl and one day I intend to marry her and have children that are half white and half black. I couldn't care less over something as trivial as a skin tone, it means virtually nothing in the grand scheme of life.

Mosques are becoming more empty, the younger Muslims are becoming more interested in leading a 'Western' lifestyle and adhering to 'Western' values. To talk about Shariah is therefore quite humorous at this point.

Indeed. Islam is a religion, and just like every other religion, it wil suffer under a secular society. All religions suffer under secular societies. The only exception I can find is America, where Christianity has thrived and completely re-invented itself.

[Eliphaz]

Well I actually did last summer. Of course atheists have been there since olden days (communists etc) but democratic atheists are a new breed. They usually belong to well-to-do families or are poor academicians at local universities. Also got to debate with a communist of Mazdoor Kisan Party and some other atheist uncle. Was fun to see their ignorance of science and the nature around them.

And ooh, you guys also habituate universities such as LUMS eh. Did not visit it but got to hear that you guys are a heavy majority there. And also Indus Valley School of Art in Karachi? A kaafir professor made fun of a niqabi colleague there if I remember.

Thats nice!

:D

[CosmicPathos]

Thats nice!

:D

Oh well but it does seem that it will take quite a while for majority of Pakistanis to become atheists.

[Eliphaz]

Oh well but it does seem that it will take quite a while for majority of Pakistanis to become atheists.

Let me tell you - I have a very deep love for Pakistan and will nothing more than for it to succeed. I am very interested in the current 'Wake up Pakistan' movement going on, it shows that the youth are ready to change the country. What worries me is that many want Shariah without really knowing what it is about. But regardless of what anyone believes in that country I just want it to fix itself. It is not important to me how much of the country become atheists or whatever, I couldn't really care less.

[CosmicPathos]

Let me tell you - I have a very deep love for Pakistan and will nothing more than for it to succeed. I am very interested in the current 'Wake up Pakistan' movement going on, it shows that the youth are ready to change the country. What worries me is that many want Shariah without really knowing what it is about. But regardless of what anyone believes in that country I just want it to fix itself. It is not important to me how much of the country become atheists or whatever, I couldn't really care less.

Yea I've been following it on pkpolitics and what not. Well I am not really concerned with the country, I was never a nationalist, some even called me a traitor and ive forgotten the national anthem which was drilled into my head as a child.

But yea, would be exciting to wait when Caliphate gains stronghold there, inshAllah.

[جوري]

Define 'secular law' and please define which 'secular law' allows one to copulate like 'a donkey on a street'. Then - as I understand you live in America - please tell me why you chose to live under such a law.

I am only using your 'logic' or lack thereof why not you define 'Islamic law' that allows folks to be stoned for their opinions, and let me know where it exists today.

[Italianguy]

Please kindly point out where I did that Italianguy and I will apologise to all those offended without hesitation!

[To talk about Shariah is therefore quite humorous at this point.]

[Eliphaz]

Yea I've been following it on pkpolitics and what not. Well I am not really concerned with the country, I was never a nationalist, some even called me a traitor ;D.

But yea, would be exciting to wait when Caliphate gains stronghold there.

Yes, I feel if shariah law will be implemented anywhere it will be a country like Pakistan. Then maybe we will finally see if it works or not! One thing I feel ought to be rememered when we talk about Pakistan is that Quaid-i-Azam never intended for Pakistan to be an Islamic State, rather he intended it to be a homeland for Muslims as part of a secular state.

But I diverge.

The Human Rights Act 1998 incorporates the Council of Europe’s Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) into UK law, including its guarantee of freedom of religion or belief:

Article 9: Freedom of Thought, Conscience and Religion.

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

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Can anyone tell me that Shariah would offer the same freedom of religion?

[Eliphaz]

[To talk about Shariah is therefore quite humorous at this point.]

I apologise if this was not clear. The implied meaning (if you refer back to the full context of my post) was "to talk about Shariah in the U.K. is quite humorous at this point."

[CosmicPathos]

Yes, I feel if shariah law will be implemented anywhere it will be a country like Pakistan. Then maybe we will finally see if it works or not! One thing I feel ought to be rememered when we talk about Pakistan is that Quaid-i-Azam never intended for Pakistan to be an Islamic State, rather he intended it to be a homeland for Muslims as part of a secular state.

But I diverge.



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Can anyone tell me that Shariah would offer the same freedom of religion?

Meh, his opinion does not matter. Allama Muhammad Iqbal was the visionary of Pakistan and I think his opinion of Islamic state ought to be followed, not Jinnah's.

Anyways.

[Life_Is_Short]

Oh I dunno, maybe it's the fact that a handful of countries in the Islamic world actually implement it- and even then, I have people telling me the Saudis aren't actually doing it 'right' after all. Then you have civil wars in Muslim majority countries, where the population, despite being Muslim, doesn't want Sharia- Sudan and Somalia, for example.

Now, seeing as there are only about two or three countries in the Muslim world (made up of dozens of countries) who actually implement Sharia, and even then it isn't done properly, what chance does Sharia stand in a Muslim minority country? It would commit suicide from the word 'go'.

I admit that i don't know much about Sharia law myself mainly because i grew up in a western society but just because muslim countries can't implement it right doesn't mean it's not compatible.

[جوري]

If anyone is interested in reading about shari'a law as discussed by tempered adults pls refer to this post:

http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...ariah-law.html

:w:

[Amadeus85]

Who cares. I am in a relationship with a beautiful black girl and one day I intend to marry her and have children that are half white and half black. I couldn't care less over something as trivial as a skin tone, it means virtually nothing in the grand scheme of life.

I know what You mean. When I have unpleasure to read neo- nazis, racists, white supermacists, I always laugh at their attitude. Their being excited by skin colour is both silly and scary. It's not from my world.

But when I have unpleasure to read anti-racists, I am scared that they want to change something that worked good for thousand of years - mono-cultural society.

I reject both racism and anti-racism.

[Froggy]

I know what You mean. When I have unpleasure to read neo- nazis, racists, white supermacists, I always laugh at their attitude. Their being excited by skin colour is both silly and scary. It's not from my world.

But when I have unpleasure to read anti-racists, I am scared that they want to change something that worked good for thousand of years - mono-cultural society.

I reject both racism and anti-racism.

We should reject multiculutralism, not anti-racism. Anti-racism that is not tied to multiculturalism is good.

[Muhammad]

Greetings,

What worries me is that many want Shariah without really knowing what it is about.

And yet, how many amongst those who are against Shariah actually know what it is about? We're not talking about superficial ideas from media representations here, rather an actual understanding of what Shariah is. The truth is that many people oppose Shariah without even knowing what it is or based upon misconceptions. What is required is objective and sincere study, not imposing western values by which Shariah is judged to be 'good' or 'bad' and speaking about it without knowledge.

In light of this, it's impossible for us to have this discussion without first having a correct understanding of the subject matter.


Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936:
"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."

G. Massey
''They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth rather than truth as the authority.''


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