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'Abd-al Latif
02-26-2008, 09:06 PM
Clarification of the important rule: it is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors


Question:
We hope that you will be able to explain, with examples, what is meant by the phrase, “Taking kaafirs as close friends and protectors is haraam.”

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Yes, examples will certainly explain and clarify what is meant, so we will move straight on to quoting some of the most important points that the scholars and leaders of da’wah have said about different ways of showing friendship towards kaafirs.


1. Accepting their kufr (disbelief) and doubting that it is kufr at all, or refraining from labelling them as kaafirs(disbelievers), or praising their religion. Allaah says about the kufr of the one who accepts them (interpretation of the meaning): “… but such as open their breasts to disbelief…” [al-Nahl 16:106]. Allaah says, making it obligatory to label the kaafirs as such (interpretation of the meaning): “… Whoever disbelieves in Taaghoot [false deities] and believes in Allaah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break…” [al-Baqarah 2:256]. Allaah says about the munaafiqoon (hypocrites) who prefer the kuffaar to the Muslims (interpretation of the meaning) “… [they] say to the disbelievers that they are better guided as regards the way than the believers (Muslims).” [al-Nisa’ 4:51].

2. Referring to them for judgement. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… they wish to got for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges, etc.) while they have been ordered to reject them…” [al-Nisa’ 4:60]

3. Befriending and liking them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “You will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger…” [al-Mujaadilah 58:22]

4. Inclining towards them, relying upon them and taking them as a support. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And incline not towards those who do wrong, lest the Fire should touch you…” [Hood 11:113]

5.Helping and supporting them against the Muslims. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “The believers, men and women, are awliya’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another…” [al-Tawbah 9:71]. He also says of the kuffaar that they are “ but awliya’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) to one another…” [al-Maa’idah 5:51]. And He says (interpretation of the meaning): “…And if any amongst you takes them as awliya’, then surely he is one of them.” [al-Maa’idah 5:51].

6.Becoming members of their societies, joining their parties, increasing their numbers, taking their nationalities (except in cases of necessity), serving in their armies or helping to develop their weapons.

7. Bringing their laws and rules to the Muslim countries. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Do they then seek the judgement of the Days of Ignorance?…” [al-Maa’idah 5:50]

8. Taking them as friends in general terms, taking them as helpers and supporters, and throwing in one’s lot with them. Allaah forbids all this, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another…” [al-Maa’idah 5:51].

9. Compromising with them and being nice to them at the expense of one’s religion. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so that they (too) would compromise with you.” [al-Qalam 68:9]. This includes sitting with them and entering upon them at the time when they are making fun of the Signs of Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And it has already been revealed to you in the Book that when you hear the Verses of Allaah being denied and mocked at, then sit not with them, until they engage in a talk other than that; (but if you stayed with them), certainly in that case you would be like them…” [al-Nisa’ 4:140]

10. Trusting them and taking them as advisors and consultants instead of the believers. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs, evidence, verses), if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in the Tawraat and the Injeel, while they disbelieve in your Book (the Qur’aan)]. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’ If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it…” [Aal ‘Imran 3:118-120]. Imaam Ahmad and Muslim reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out to (the battle of) Badr, and a man from among the mushrikeen followed him and caught up with him at al-Harrah. He said, “I wanted to follow you and join you, and have some of the war-booty with you.” (The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) said: “Do you believe in Allaah and His Messenger?” He said, “No.” He said, “Go back, I do not need help from a mushrik.” From these texts it is clear that we are forbidden to appoint kaafirs to positions whereby they could find out the secrets of the Muslims and plot against them by trying to do all kinds of harm.

11. Putting them in administrative positions where they are bosses of Muslims and can humiliate them, run their affairs and prevent them from practising their religion. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… and never will Allaah grant to the disbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.” [al-Nisa’ 4:141]. Imaam Ahmad reported that Abu Moosa al-Ash’ari (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I said to ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). ‘I have a Christian scribe.’ He said, ‘What is wrong with you, may Allaah strike you dead! Have you not heard the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning), “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another…” [al-Maa’idah 5:51]”? Why do you not employ a haneef [i.e., a Muslim]?’ I said, ‘O Ameer al-Mu’mineen, I benefit from his work and he keeps his religion to himself.’ He said, ‘I will never honour them when Allaah has humiliated them, and I will never bring them close to me when Allaah has expelled them from His mercy.’” Similarly, we should not employ them in Muslim homes where they can see our private matters and they bring our children up as kaafirs. This is what is happening nowadays when kaafirs are brought to Muslim countries as workers, drivers, servants and nannies in Muslim homes and families. Neither should we send our children to kaafir schools, missionary institutions and evil colleges and universities, or make them live with kaafir families.

12. Imitating the kaafirs in dress, appearance, speech, etc., because this indicates love of the person or people imitated. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” It is forbidden to imitate the kaafirs in customs, habits and matters of outward appearance and conduct that are characteristic of them. This includes shaving the beard, letting the moustache grow long, and speaking their languages, except when necessary, as well as matters of clothing, food and drink, etc.

13. Staying in their countries when there is no need to do so. Allaah forbade the weak and oppressed Muslims to stay among the kaafirs if they are able to migrate. He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): ‘In what (condition) were you?’ They reply, ‘We were weak and oppressed on earth.’ They (angels) say: ‘Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?’ Such men will find their abode in Hell –what an evil destination! Except the weak ones among men, women and children, who cannot devise a plan, nor are the able to direct their way.” [al-Nisa’ 4:97-98]. Nobody will be excused for staying in a kaafir country except for those who are truly weak and oppressed and cannot migrate, or those who stay among them for a valid religious purpose such as da’wah and spreading Islam in their countries. It is forbidden to live among them when there is no need to do so. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown the one who stays among the mushrikeen.”

14. Travelling to their countries for vacations and leisure purposes. But going there for a legitimate reason – such as medical treatment, trade, and learning specialized skills that cannot be obtained in any other way – is permitted in cases of need, and when the need has been fulfilled, it is obligatory to return to the Muslim world. This permission is also given under the condition that the would-be traveller has sufficient knowledge to dispel his doubts, to control his physical desires, to demonstrate his religion, to be proud of being Muslim, to keep away from evil places, and to be aware and cautious of the plots of his enemies. It is also permissible, and even obligatory, to travel to their lands for the sake of da’wah and spreading Islam.

15. Praising them and their civilization and culture, defending them, and admiring their behaviour and skills, without taking note of their false ideology and corrupt religion. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And strain not your eyes in longing for the things We have given for enjoyment to various groups of them (disbelievers), the splendour of the life of this world that We may test them thereby. But the provision (good reward in the Hereafter) of your Lord is better and more lasting.” [Ta-Ha 20:131]. It is also forbidden to honour them, give them titles of respect, initiate greetings to them, give them the best seats in gatherings, and give way to them in the street. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not be the first to greet a Jew or a Christian (do not initiate the greeting), and if you meet one of them in the street, then push him to the narrowest part of the way.”

16. Forsaking the Islamic calendar and using their calendar, especially since it reflects their rituals and festivals, as is the case with the Gregorian (Western) calendar, which is connected to the supposed date of the birth of the Messiah (peace be upon him), which is an innovation that they have fabricated and that has nothing to do with the religion of ‘Eesa (Jesus). Using this calendar implies approval of their festivals and symbols. In order to avoid all of that, when the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) established a calendar for the Muslims during the time of ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), they ignored all the systems of the kuffaar and created a new calendar starting from the date of the Prophet’s Hijrah. This indicates that it is obligatory to differ from the kuffaar in this matter and others where it is the matter of distinct characteristics. And Allaah is the Source of Help.

17. Taking part in their holidays and festivals, helping them to celebrate them, congratulating them on these occasions or attending places where such celebrations are held. The phrase al-zoor [falsehood] in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning) “And those who do not witness falsehood…” [al-Furqaan 25:72] was interpreted as meaning the festivals of the kuffaar.

18. Using their names that have bad meanings. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) changed names whose meanings involved shirk, such as ‘Abd al-‘Uzza and ‘Abd al-Ka’bah.

19. Seeking forgiveness for them and asking Allaah for mercy for them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the mushrikeen, even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in s state of disbelief).” [al-Tawbah 9:113]

These examples should give a clear picture of what is meant by the prohibition of forming close friendships with the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep our belief sound and our faith strong. And Allaah is the Source of Help.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
02-26-2008, 09:10 PM
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Thread approved. Source please.
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'Abd-al Latif
02-28-2008, 12:20 AM
wa'alykum as-salam wa-rahmatullaahi wa-barakatuh

www.islamqa.com
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02-28-2008, 09:58 AM
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Nice thread Mashaa Allaah.

Source: http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=2179&ln=eng
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AvarAllahNoor
02-28-2008, 11:41 AM
Sikhs believe in one God Allah. Are we too kafirs?
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future_scholar
02-28-2008, 11:45 AM
masha allah brother great post
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Malaikah
02-28-2008, 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Sikhs believe in one God Allah. Are we too kafirs?
Hi,

It's not enough to believe only in one God, you need to also believe in His Messengers, His Books, His angels etc, in other words, be a Muslims.
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AvarAllahNoor
02-28-2008, 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
Hi,

It's not enough to believe only in one God, you need to also believe in His Messengers, His Books, His angels etc, in other words, be a Muslims.
We believe Mohammed is a Prophet just as Jesus. We respect the Kuran, and the Angel Gabriel. BUT we do not follow the way of Islam. We follow the way of Sikhism, which is announced to us by God himself.

If this is the only reason you would not associate yourselves with people of other faiths this teaches people like us, that your religion is not of peace as it's segregating and inciting hatred!
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Malaikah
02-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
We believe Mohammed is a Prophet just as Jesus. We respect the Kuran, and the Angel Gabriel. BUT we do not follow the way of Islam. We follow the way of Sikhism, which is announced to us by God himself.
Exactly, you do not follow Islam, which means you are not Muslim, you believe that God sent a religion after Islam (Sikhism) which is a belief that makes you non-Muslim...

If this is the only reason you would not associate yourselves with people of other faiths this teaches people like us, that your religion is not of peace as it's segregating and inciting hatred!
What gave you that idea?

Just because we don't form close relationships with non-Muslims doesn't mean we don't associate with them, there's nothing to stop us from being kind, friendly and just towards non-Muslims, or to stop us from being class mates, colleagues, neighbours, business partners etc.

By the way - a lot of the points mentioned in the article are not as straight forward as made to seem. For example, point 13, the majority of scholars say it is permissible to live in non-Muslims lands as long as Muslims are free to practise their religion.
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Roasted Cashew
02-28-2008, 01:37 PM
I disagree with islamq&a. It's forbidden to take them as guardians and protectors but not as "friends" This is will clear some things up.
Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c
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AvarAllahNoor
02-28-2008, 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by hmmm5
I disagree with islamq&a. It's forbidden to take them as guardians and protectors but not as "friends" This is will clear some things up.
Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c
It's all these variations of what is allowed and what is not. That confuses non-muslims! If only muslim scholars collectively pass a rule only one interpretation of Quran is to be acknowledged!
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'Abd-al Latif
02-29-2008, 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by hmmm5
I disagree with islamq&a. It's forbidden to take them as guardians and protectors but not as "friends" This is will clear some things up.
Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c
“O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs, evidence, verses), if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in the Tawraat and the Injeel, while they disbelieve in your Book (the Qur’aan)]. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’ If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it…” [Aal ‘Imran 3:118-120].
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Malaikah
02-29-2008, 02:04 AM
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Brother IbnMuhammad, you can't use a translation of the Quran to derive a ruling, it must be done through the Arabic only.

Translations are known to have mistakes.
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Malaikah
02-29-2008, 02:39 AM
:sl:

With regards to point 15:

Question: I know we should not initiate greetings with non-Muslims since the prophet (peace be upon him) said “Do not initiate the greetings with the Jews and Christians." The problem is I encounter non-Muslims at my job and do not know how to be courteous to them with this prohibition upon me. What can I do?

Answered by Sheikh Ahmad al-Rashîd

To start with, our Prophet (peace be upon him) never said we could not initiate greetings with non-Muslims. He said: “Do not initiate the salutation of ‘salâm’ with the People of the Book." [Sahîh Muslim].

The People of the Book are the Christian and Jews, but this hadîth applies to all non-Muslims. This hadîth forbids us from saluting non-Muslims with the particular greeting of “salâm” before they greet us with it, but it certainly does not forbid us from using other types of salutations such as “Hello”, “Hi”, “Good morning”, “Good evening”, “How are you” and the like. Therefore, it is perfectly alright for a Muslim who works with non-Muslims or resides in their countries to initiate these kinds of salutation with them.

Moreover, it is worth poining out that some scholars have permitted initiating the greeting of “salâm” with non-Muslims in special cases. Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Some scholars allowed us to greet the unbelievers with this salutation for some reasons; such as being in need of them, in fear them, or simply on account of having a good relationship with one of them or any other good reason.” [Zâd al-Ma`âd (2/425)]

And Allah knows best.

http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...main_cat_id=22
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Malaikah
02-29-2008, 02:42 AM
:sl:

And clarification of point 12:

Emulating & Resembling Non-Muslims
Sheikh Nadhîr Wahhâb


The prohibition of emulating the unbelievers is a principle of Islamic Law about which there is no dispute.

However, there are various forms of emulation and ways of resembling the unbelievers, and they all take different rulings. The various forms that such resemblance can take come under two broad categories:

The First Category – Unlawful Emulation

There are two levels to this kind of emulation.

The first level: The more serious of these two levels is tantamount to apostasy and is dealt with as such in Islamic Law.

This is where a Muslim’s emulation and imitation of the non-Muslims takes place in the heart as a tendency or longing for unbelief. This would include participation in their religious rites and festivals to the extent of revering those rites and their appointed days as sacred in the same way that the unbelievers do.

Allah says: “Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their form of religion. Say: “The guidance of Allah – that is the (only) guidance.” Were you to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached you, then you would find neither protector nor helper against Allah.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 120]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever resembles a people are of them.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd (4031)]

Ibn al-Qayyim mentions in his book Ahkâm Ahl al-Dhimmah: “It has been related from Ibn `Umar that he said: Whoever passes through the foreign lands and then engages in their rites and festivals and emulates them until he dies while in that state, he will be gathered along with them on the Day of Resurrection.”

There can be no doubt that religious holidays are, as Ibn Taymiyah observes, among the most distinguishing and conspicuous features of a religion.

The second level: This is where such resemblance does not go so far as to bring the emulator to the point of unbelief, but where the resemblance is a prohibited and sinful act. This would include, for instance, giving gifts to the Christians on their religious holidays, because it communicates to them a type of approval, conformation, and encouragement of their beliefs.

The Second Category – Permissible Resemblance

There are two levels to this kind of resemblance.

The first level: This is where resemblance is merely permissible. This would include wearing the same kind of clothing as the non-Muslims as long as that clothing is not a specific, distinguishing dress of their faith.

Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalânî discusses the distinction in Fath al-Bârî, his commentary on Sahîh al-Bukhârî while discussing the hadîth where Anas says that he saw people wearing tayâlisah (a shawl-like garment that used to be worn by judges) and described them “as if they were the Jews of Khaybar.”

Ibn Hajar then explains: “It is suitable to use the account of the Jews as evidence during an age where the tayâlisah was a part of their distinguishing religious rites. This is no longer the case at these times and these close fall under the ruling of what is generally permitted.” [Fath al-Bârî (10/275)]

The second level: This is where resemblance of the non-Muslims is preferable. Occasionally, it can even be obligatory. This would include resembling them in their general manner of dress in order to facilitate calling them to Islam.

Ibn Taymiyah writes: “If the Muslim lives in a disbelieving country, whether or not that state is hostile with the Muslim states, he will not be obligated to expose himself as different than them. This is on account of the difficulties that doing so can pose. Indeed, it might become preferable or even obligatory for him to conform to their outward standards of appearance if there is a benefit for the faith in doing so like inviting them to Islam, a prevention of difficulties for the Muslims, or the realization of any other wholesome intention.” [Iqtidâ’ al-Sirât al-Mustaqîm (176)]

We cannot doubt that our resembling them in their steadfast pursuit of scientific knowledge and education, in their precision in manufacturing, and the way they serve and develop their nations are matters of priority that we as Muslims are required to resemble them in.

And Allah knows best.


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Note for clarification:

Ibn Taymiyah's statement above does not mean that women living in non-Muslim countries can uncover what Islamic Law requires them to cover. Proper hijâb is obligatory. However, hijâb is merely a degree of covering. It is not a particular type or style of dress, as some people believe. It is not a “symbol” of Islam, nor is it some abstract religious duty that has no rationale behind it. It is not a mere display of religious identity. It is not a particular “head scarf”. It is a question of what Islamic Law defines as decent and indecent exposure.

Consequently, a woman can figure out stylish ways to dress modestly and cover her hair and neck that do not make her conspicuous in the society in which she lives, and thereby avoid difficulties. What matters is that she covers what she is required to cover.

And Allah knows best.

Fatwâ Department Research Committee of IslamToday chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî

http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cf...sub_cat_id=769
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Roasted Cashew
02-29-2008, 03:26 AM
Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
“O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs, evidence, verses), if you understand. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in the Tawraat and the Injeel, while they disbelieve in your Book (the Qur’aan)]. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage. Certainly Allaah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets).’ If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it…” [Aal ‘Imran 3:118-120].

NOP, I am not convinced at all. One word does mean a lot but we need to figure out which one was meant by Allah. What was the context of this verse anyway? I have never encountered a single Arabic word in the Qur'an where all it's meaning are applied. Why here???
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snakelegs
02-29-2008, 04:49 AM
isn't there a lot of controversy about the word "auliya"?
is that word ever used just to mean "friend"?
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dream gurl
02-29-2008, 05:01 AM
omg its haram to take kafir as close friend..well i hav alot of kafir dat i befriended..well da thing is jus choose wisely who u be friend..nd da only reason is i think if dey influence you in a bad way..
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muslimwarrior
02-29-2008, 08:40 AM
Originally Posted by dream gurl
omg its haram to take kafir as close friend..well i hav alot of kafir dat i befriended..well da thing is jus choose wisely who u be friend..nd da only reason is i think if dey influence you in a bad way..
well thats wrong especially since they are close to you. you can say "hi" "bye" to them but we really shouldnt start getting close with them. you wont realise it when your getting influenced!
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Roasted Cashew
02-29-2008, 08:55 AM
Originally Posted by snakelegs
isn't there a lot of controversy about the word "auliya"?
is that word ever used just to mean "friend"?
agreed. I doubt that is ever used to just to mean "friends". I don't know. I don't speak Arabic. someone pls clarify.
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Roasted Cashew
02-29-2008, 09:00 AM
Originally Posted by muslimwarrior
well thats wrong especially since they are close to you. you can say "hi" "bye" to them but we really shouldnt start getting close with them. you wont realise it when your getting influenced!
I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I asked my friend to stop his car on the way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque and needed to pray. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.
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muslimwarrior
02-29-2008, 09:06 AM
Originally Posted by hmmm5
I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I stopped my friend on a way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.
just listen to what your creator (Allah) has told you and please stop making excuses. "what if" "but" etc

remember also the famous hadith of the prophet SAW where he tells us about the importance of having good friendship. here read this bro;

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The example of a good companion and a bad companion is like that of the seller of musk, and the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows (respectively). So as for the seller of musk then either he will grant you some, or you buy some from him, or at least you enjoy a pleasant smell from him. As for the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows then either he will burn your clothes or you will get an offensive smell from him." [Bukhari & Muslim]

In his commentary of this Hadith, Imam an-Nawawi said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) compared a good companion to a seller of musk and spoke of the virtue of having companions who are good, who have noble manners, piety, knowledge and good culture. Such are those who grant us from their virtue. And he (peace be upon him) forbade us to sit with those who do evil, commit a lot of sins and other bad deeds, as well as with innovators, backbiters, and so forth. Another scholar said: "Keeping good company with the pious results in attainment of beneficial knowledge, noble manners and righteous actions, whereas keeping company with the wicked prevents all of that."
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02-29-2008, 09:14 AM
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Do you know what? Think about it. If we (Muslims) have non-Muslim friends, then their ideas and religious beliefs will affect you. Because a person normally becomes so close to a friend, they talk about literally everything. Anyway there is a hadith if the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam:

“A person is likely to follow the faith of his friend, so look whom you befriend”
(Reported by Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi).
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AvarAllahNoor
02-29-2008, 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by hmmm5
I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I asked my friend to stop his car on the way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque and needed to pray. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.
Dude those that are influenced by thier mates into doing the wrong things shows how weak the Imaan is in the first place! - If you're Atal (strict) in your religion, nothing can take you off the path. :statisfie
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'Abd-al Latif
02-29-2008, 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by hmmm5
NOP, I am not convinced at all. One word does mean a lot but we need to figure out which one was meant by Allah. What was the context of this verse anyway? I have never encountered a single Arabic word in the Qur'an where all it's meaning are applied. Why here???
My job is not to convince you, whether you accept or reject is your choice. La ikraaha fideen (there is no compulsion in religion).

But on the day of judgement you will be amongst those who you love the most. So if you chose to spend time with those who remember/worship/please other then Allah then your fate is with them.

I'm not going to discuss this any further because of the hadith of the messenger of Allah related in bukhaari and muslim

"Read the Qur'an [together] so long as your hearts are united, but when you differ, stand up from it [and conclude your study sessions together]"

(Related by Bukhari (5069), Muslim (2667), Ahmed (18337), and Ad-Daarimee (3359)).

Take heed to this hadeeth and the ayaah in qur'an; sami'na wa ato'naa (we hear and we obey).
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Roasted Cashew
02-29-2008, 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM
:salamext:

Do you know what? Think about it. If we (Muslims) have non-Muslim friends, then their ideas and religious beliefs will affect you. Because a person normally becomes so close to a friend, they talk about literally everything. Anyway there is a hadith if the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam:
I never talk about religion. And if I do, am I not conveying the message of the Qur'an to them as in dawah??
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Roasted Cashew
02-29-2008, 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by muslimwarrior
remember also the famous hadith of the prophet SAW where he tells us about the importance of having good friendship. here read this bro;

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The example of a good companion and a bad companion is like that of the seller of musk, and the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows (respectively). So as for the seller of musk then either he will grant you some, or you buy some from him, or at least you enjoy a pleasant smell from him. As for the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows then either he will burn your clothes or you will get an offensive smell from him." [Bukhari & Muslim]

In his commentary of this Hadith, Imam an-Nawawi said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) compared a good companion to a seller of musk and spoke of the virtue of having companions who are good, who have noble manners, piety, knowledge and good culture. Such are those who grant us from their virtue. And he (peace be upon him) forbade us to sit with those who do evil, commit a lot of sins and other bad deeds, as well as with innovators, backbiters, and so forth. Another scholar said: "Keeping good company with the pious results in attainment of beneficial knowledge, noble manners and righteous actions, whereas keeping company with the wicked prevents all of that."
This is irrelevant to my argument. This talks about friendship in general and doesn't talk about non-Muslim friendship specifically. How about you watch this:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c
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02-29-2008, 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by hmmm5
I never talk about religion. And if I do, am I not conveying the message of the Qur'an to them as in dawah??
:salamext:

Just read the hadith I provided. :)
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Roasted Cashew
02-29-2008, 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
My job is not to convince you, whether you accept or reject is your choice. La ikraaha fideen (there is no compulsion in religion).

But on the day of judgement you will be amongst those who you love the most. So if you chose to spend time with those who remember/worship/please other then Allah then your fate is with them.

I'm not going to discuss this any further because of the hadith of the messenger of Allah related in bukhaari and muslim

"Read the Qur'an [together] so long as your hearts are united, but when you differ, stand up from it [and conclude your study sessions together]"

(Related by Bukhari (5069), Muslim (2667), Ahmed (18337), and Ad-Daarimee (3359)).

Take heed to this hadeeth and the ayaah in qur'an; sami'na wa ato'naa (we hear and we obey).
I love God the most, then Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)and lastly my family. I don't really "love" any of my friends. Anyway brother, what do you think of this. You didn't reply to this video below:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c
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MinAhlilHadeeth
02-29-2008, 04:02 PM
:salamext:

“A person is likely to follow the faith of his friend, so look whom you befriend”
(Reported by Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi).
Sa7, ukhtee. I was thinking of the same hadeeth. Al-Mar'u 'ala deeni khaleelihi.
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'Abd-al Latif
02-29-2008, 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by hmmm5
I love God the most, then Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)and lastly my family. I don't really "love" any of my friends. Anyway brother, what do you think of this. You didn't reply to this video below:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c
I haven't watched it because I have had other things to do but either way I can't see myself benefiting much from it, why not? Because I'm not looking for grey areas in religion and neither should you. There are many ahadeeth about this subject; one of them for example the prophet (saw) said "whoever immitates a people is one of them" or "a man is upon the religion of his companions so let him choose his companions wisely".

Forbidding the evil and enjoining the good, striving for al-jannah and prepairing for what will happen in your grave should be enough for you to acompany the best of people to prepair for what lies ahead of you.

EDIT: I've seen the video, but disagree. Refer to Tafsir Ibn Khatir, as before I refuse to take any further part in this issue.
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Al-Zaara
02-29-2008, 09:37 PM
Selam aleykum we rahmetallahu,

Maybe this can clarify it a bit more, it is quoted from the site I have linked to in my post:

In the verse you quoted, the word "Awliya" is used. It is a plural and its singular is "wali". The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master".

In the Qur'an this word is used for God, such as [Allah is the Protector (or Lord and Master) of those who believe. He takes them out from the depths of darkness to light…] (Al- Baqarah 2: 257)

There are many other references in the Qur'an that give this meaning. The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as [And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin "wali" the authority (to seek judgement or punishment in this case)…] (Al-‘Isra' 17 :33)

The correct translation of the verse in Surat Al-Ma’idah is: [O you who believe! Do not take Jews and Christians as your patrons. They are patrons of their own people. He among you who will turn to them for patronage is one of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma'dah 5: 51)

It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims patronize Muslims and support their own people. This verse is not telling us to be against Jews or Christians, but it is telling us that we should take care of our own people and we must support each other.

In his Tafsir, (Qur’an exegesis) Imam Ibn Kathir has mentioned that some scholars say that this verse (i.e. the one you referred to) was revealed after the Battle of Uhud when Muslims had a set back. At that time, a Muslim from Madinah said, "I am going to live with Jews so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." And another person said, "I am going to live with Christians so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." So Allah revealed this verse reminding the believers that they should not seek the protection from others, but should protect each other. (See Ibn Kathir, Al-Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 68)
Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503543362&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

EDIT: Other links: http://www.dawanet.com/concepts/nonmuslimfriend.asp

http://www.themodernreligion.com/bas...nonmuslims.htm

http://alghazzali.org/resources/articles/friendship.pdf



... Allah knows best.
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snakelegs
02-29-2008, 09:54 PM
this is what i thought auliya meant!
anyway, continuation of the article paragraph from same link:

Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. You are correct in pointing out that a Muslim man is also allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian woman. It is obvious that one marries someone for love and friendship. If friendship between Muslims and Jews or Christians was forbidden, then why would Islam allow a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian woman? It is the duty of Muslims to patronize Muslims. They should not patronize any one who is against their faith or who fights their faith, even if they were their fathers and brothers. Allah says: [O you who believe! Take not for protectors (awliya') your fathers and your brothers if they love unbelief above faith. If any of you do so, they are indeed wrong-doers.] (Al-Tawbah 9: 23)

In a similar way, the Qur'an also tells Muslims that they should never patronize the non-Muslims against other Muslims. However, if some Muslims do wrong to some non-Muslims, it is Muslims' duty to help the non-Muslims and save them from oppression. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that he himself will defend a Dhimmi living among Muslims to whom injustice is done by Muslims. But Islam also teaches that Muslims should not seek the patronage of non-Muslims against other Muslims. They should try to solve their problems among themselves. Allah Almighty says, [Let not the Believers take the unbelievers as their patrons over against the Believers…] (Aal-'Imran 3: 28)

He Almighty also says: [O you who believe! Take not for patrons unbelievers rather than Believers. Do you wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?] (An-Nisaa’ 4:144)

so the way i see it - if your imaan is strong, you should be quite capable of having non-muslims as friends.
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Muezzin
02-29-2008, 10:04 PM
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