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Uthman
03-02-2008, 11:31 AM
Far-right Dutch MP Geert Wilders has said that this week he will finish a film about Islam which has already triggered Muslim outrage.
Mr Wilders said he was determined to release the film despite government warnings that this would damage Dutch political and economic interests.
Mr Wilders says the film is about the Koran, without giving details.
In the past, he has called for the Koran to be banned and likened it to Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.
The project has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.
'Death threats'
"It is very good news. the film will definitely be finished this week, that is to say before 1 March," Mr Wilders told Reuters.
The lawmaker said he expected that his 15-minute work would then be shown in the Netherlands in March and also released on the internet.
On Wednesday, the Dutch justice and foreign ministers discussed the issue with Mr Wilders, urging him to drop the project.
The ministers expressed concerns over the damage the film could unleash politically, economically and for Dutch businesses and individuals living abroad.
Last month, Mr Wilders said the Dutch authorities had let him know that he may have to leave the country for his own safety amid reports of death threats to him from Islamic militants.
'Inspiration for murder'
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
According to a Dutch daily which has seen some of the footage, the film has the Koran opening.
Inside the pages of the book are shown images of atrocities in Muslim countries that the filmmaker thinks are inspired by verses of the Koran.
Mr Wilders has said his film will show how the Koran is "an inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror".
Van Gogh murder
Mr Wilders leads the Freedom Party, which has nine seats in the Dutch parliament.
He says Dutch culture is superior to what he describes as a retarded Islamic culture and believes immigrants must assimilate by getting rid of what he calls the intolerant and fascist parts of the Koran.
Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo Van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
Mr Van Gogh's film Submission included verses from the Koran shown against a naked female body.
As well as the killing of Mr Van Gogh, Dutch politicians are mindful of the widespread protests by Muslims that followed the publication of cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad in newspapers in Denmark and other European countries in 2006.
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ReplyMr Wilders said he was determined to release the film despite government warnings that this would damage Dutch political and economic interests.
Mr Wilders says the film is about the Koran, without giving details.
In the past, he has called for the Koran to be banned and likened it to Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.
The project has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.
'Death threats'
"It is very good news. the film will definitely be finished this week, that is to say before 1 March," Mr Wilders told Reuters.
The lawmaker said he expected that his 15-minute work would then be shown in the Netherlands in March and also released on the internet.
On Wednesday, the Dutch justice and foreign ministers discussed the issue with Mr Wilders, urging him to drop the project.
The ministers expressed concerns over the damage the film could unleash politically, economically and for Dutch businesses and individuals living abroad.
Last month, Mr Wilders said the Dutch authorities had let him know that he may have to leave the country for his own safety amid reports of death threats to him from Islamic militants.
'Inspiration for murder'
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
According to a Dutch daily which has seen some of the footage, the film has the Koran opening.
Inside the pages of the book are shown images of atrocities in Muslim countries that the filmmaker thinks are inspired by verses of the Koran.
Mr Wilders has said his film will show how the Koran is "an inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror".
Van Gogh murder
Mr Wilders leads the Freedom Party, which has nine seats in the Dutch parliament.
He says Dutch culture is superior to what he describes as a retarded Islamic culture and believes immigrants must assimilate by getting rid of what he calls the intolerant and fascist parts of the Koran.
Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo Van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
Mr Van Gogh's film Submission included verses from the Koran shown against a naked female body.
As well as the killing of Mr Van Gogh, Dutch politicians are mindful of the widespread protests by Muslims that followed the publication of cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad in newspapers in Denmark and other European countries in 2006.
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Keltoi
03-02-2008, 08:09 PM
Hopefully Muslims will respond to this film in a much more constructive way than the cartoon fiasco. The best way to counter claims of violence and fascism is to respond in ways that counter that claim, not reinforce it.
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Trumble
03-03-2008, 12:22 AM
The best way in this case is to totally ignore it. How many ordinary Dutch would be flocking to see this film if there was no publicity.. a few hundred in the add arts cinema? Yet make a fuss and everyone wants to know what the fuss and 'outrage' is all about.
Replyislamirama
03-25-2008, 12:43 AM
Dutch protest against Islam film
Protesters called for an end to hatred and fear in the Netherlands
At least 1,000 people have taken part in a demonstration in Amsterdam against the planned release of a film expected to be highly critical of Islam.
Protesters objected to the planned internet release of the film by Dutch right-wing politician Geert Wilders.
Mr Wilders says the 15-minute film deals with Islamic ideology which he describes as "the enemy of freedom".
The planned release, expected before the end of this month, has sparked angry responses in the Muslim world.
Some protesters in central Amsterdam carried signs that said "Stop the witch hunt against Muslims".
"We can no longer remain silent. There is a climate of hate and fear in the Netherlands," said Rene Danen, a spokesman from anti-racism organisation Nederland Bekent Kleur (The Netherlands Shows its Colours), which organised the protest.
The Dutch government has disassociated itself from Mr Wilders' views, but there are fears the film will spark protests similar to those that followed the publication in Denmark two years ago of cartoons seen as offensive to Muslims.
The film has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.
'Fight for freedom'
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
Mr Wilders wrote a commentary in a Dutch newspaper on Saturday.
"The film is not so much about Muslims as about the Koran and Islam. The Islamic ideology has as its utmost goal the destruction of what is most dear to us, our freedom," he wrote in De Volkskrant.
"Fitna is the last warning for the West. The fight for freedom has only just begun," he said.
Mr Wilders says he plans to release his film on the internet before the end of the month.
He has had police protection since Dutch director Theo van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...pe/7309838.stm
ReplyProtesters called for an end to hatred and fear in the Netherlands
At least 1,000 people have taken part in a demonstration in Amsterdam against the planned release of a film expected to be highly critical of Islam.
Protesters objected to the planned internet release of the film by Dutch right-wing politician Geert Wilders.
Mr Wilders says the 15-minute film deals with Islamic ideology which he describes as "the enemy of freedom".
The planned release, expected before the end of this month, has sparked angry responses in the Muslim world.
Some protesters in central Amsterdam carried signs that said "Stop the witch hunt against Muslims".
"We can no longer remain silent. There is a climate of hate and fear in the Netherlands," said Rene Danen, a spokesman from anti-racism organisation Nederland Bekent Kleur (The Netherlands Shows its Colours), which organised the protest.
The Dutch government has disassociated itself from Mr Wilders' views, but there are fears the film will spark protests similar to those that followed the publication in Denmark two years ago of cartoons seen as offensive to Muslims.
The film has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.
'Fight for freedom'
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
Mr Wilders wrote a commentary in a Dutch newspaper on Saturday.
"The film is not so much about Muslims as about the Koran and Islam. The Islamic ideology has as its utmost goal the destruction of what is most dear to us, our freedom," he wrote in De Volkskrant.
"Fitna is the last warning for the West. The fight for freedom has only just begun," he said.
Mr Wilders says he plans to release his film on the internet before the end of the month.
He has had police protection since Dutch director Theo van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...pe/7309838.stm
islamirama
03-25-2008, 12:45 AM
Dutch Jews Post Front Page Ad to Defend Muslims against Wilders
IslamToday / Agencies
Dutch-Jewish television producer Harry de Winter placed on the front page of Monday's edtion of newspaper de Volkskrant an advertisement denouncing Geert Wilders tirade against Muslims.
The text of the advertisement, which has also been signed by two Dutch Jewish organisations, reads:
"If Geert Wilders had said the same things about Jews (and the Old Testament) as he has now reeled off about Muslims (and the Qur'an), then he would have been ostracised a long time ago and accused of anti-Semitism."
Television producer Harry de Winter is one of the founders of Een ander Joods geluid ('Another Jewish Voice'), a group of Dutch Jews who are critical of the policy of Israel towards the Palestinians. The climate that is being shaped by Mr Wilders is, according to him, comparable with the rise of anti-Semitism in the 1930s. Mr De Winter believes there has been far too little reaction to Mr Wilders in the Netherlands. But especially he believes that a reaction must come from the Jewish corner.
As he says in de Volkskrant: "We Jews know like no others what this sort of discrimination can lead to."
In an interview with the paper, De Winter says that Wilders' approach to Islam is like the build-up of anti-Jewish sentiment before World War II. 'I see no difference between a skull-cap (worn by Jewish men) and a headscarf,' De Winter said. 'I hope we get support from across the Jewish community because they should recognise this like no-one else.'
Amongst other things, Geert Wilders, leader of the right-wing Freedom Party, has called the Qur'an "a fascist book" and a "licence to kill." Mr De Winter finds such statements absurd.
"It's incomprehensible that Mr Wilders keeps on coming out with such rubbish. If you read the Old Testament [the Jewish Torah] then you also find texts about hatred of homosexuals, hatred of women and the murdering of non-Jewish preachers."
But if on that basis you shouted that the holy book of the Jews is fascist, then according to Mr De Winter, the country would be up in arms:
"Then all sorts of organisations, such as the Anne Frank Foundation, would be taking action immediately. But when it's about Muslims, then anything goes, apparently."
Dutch Muslims feel strengthened by the advertisement. Fouad Sidali of the Cooperative Organisation of Moroccans in the Netherlands told Radio Netherlands Worldwide: "The feeling of double standards has remained strong amongst the Moroccan Muslims. But if we were to say that ourselves, then it we'd soon be accused of placing ourselves in the role of victims and not being able to take criticism. Therefore I'm happy it's come from our Jewish neighbours."
But the Dutch Jewish community is not entirely united. Ronnie Naftaniel from the Israel Information and Documentation Centre (CIDI) thinks that, in his criticism of Mr Wilders, Harry de Winter is blurring the distinction between Islam and Muslims.
"If Mr Wilders says that no more Muslims may enter the country, that indeed is discrimination. But you must be able to criticise a religion. That falls under freedom of expression. You may also say that Judaism is a backward religion."
Sources:
Michael Hoebink, "Dutch Muslims surprised by anti-Wilders advertisement" Radio Netherlands Worldwide March 18, 2008
"Wilders' anti-Islam akin to anti-semitism" Dutch News March 18, 2008
Uthman
03-25-2008, 08:20 AM
Danish PM attacks Islam comments
By Julian Isherwood
BBC News, Copenhagen
Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has strongly criticised the Dutch MP Geert Wilders, and his plans to release a film which is critical of Islam.
The film has triggered Muslim outrage, even before it has been released.
“I dissociate myself completely from Geert Wilders' points of view, and I must clearly reject Mr Wilders' attempt at associating his views to those of the Danish government," Mr Rasmussen said.
"The government stands guard over the freedom of expression, but I wish to underline once more that we do not share the values and views that Mr Wilders represents.”
Mr Rasmussen's unusual statement on Wednesday came following an interview with the Dutch MP on Danish national television.
During the interview, Mr Wilders praised the Danish prime minister for his stance on freedom of expression, in connection with the publication and re-publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in Danish media.
Outrage caused
The original publication of the Danish caricatures in 2005 – one of which portrayed the Prophet with a bomb in his turban - caused outrage in the Islamic world.
It resulted in Danish diplomatic missions being torched, and a widespread boycott of Danish produce being introduced across the Muslim world.
“I wish we had such a prime minister in Holland,” Mr Wilders said.
“Unfortunately we have a coward who will not stand fast on the constitution's words about freedom of expression, but instead has sided with the Taleban,” he added.
“This proves my point that Islam is a very violent religion.
"If I had made a movie about the bible, I am sure there wouldn't be the sort of thing from the Vatican as the threats from Pakistan and the Mufti of Lebanon, with threats to me and my fellow countrymen,” Mr Wilders said.
"Condescending statements"
Reacting to Mr Wilders' statements, Prime Minister Rasmussen said he opposed any expression, action or indication that attempted to demonise groups of people on the basis of their religion or ethnic backgrounds.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen
“I strongly condemn Geert Wilders' condescending statements about Muslims.
"I find these expressions extremely offensive.
"They are so insulting that I wish to hear no group in Danish society referred to in such a manner in the public debate.”
Anti-Danish feeling has been rekindled in the Islamic world after 17 Danish publications reprinted cartoons of the Prophet.
This followed the arrest last month of two men accused of plotting to murder the cartoonists responsible for portraying the Prophet with a bomb in his turban.
Denmark has embarked on a widespread diplomatic campaign to explain to governments in the Islamic world, that while it does not agree with the sentiments of Danish cartoons seen as offensive by Muslims, Denmark's strict constitutional laws on freedom of expression make it impossible for the government to intervene.
Internet
In his interview, Mr Wilders said that if he was unable to find anyone who would air his film, it would be put on the internet.
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
According to a Dutch daily which has seen some of the footage, the film shows the Koran being opened.
Inside the pages of the book are shown images of atrocities in Muslim countries that the filmmaker thinks are inspired by verses of the Koran.
Mr Wilders, who leads the Dutch Freedom Party, has said his film will show how the Koran is "an inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror".
Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
Mr van Gogh's film Submission included verses from the Koran, shown against a naked female body.
Source
ReplyBy Julian Isherwood
BBC News, Copenhagen
Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has strongly criticised the Dutch MP Geert Wilders, and his plans to release a film which is critical of Islam.
The film has triggered Muslim outrage, even before it has been released.
“I dissociate myself completely from Geert Wilders' points of view, and I must clearly reject Mr Wilders' attempt at associating his views to those of the Danish government," Mr Rasmussen said.
"The government stands guard over the freedom of expression, but I wish to underline once more that we do not share the values and views that Mr Wilders represents.”
Mr Rasmussen's unusual statement on Wednesday came following an interview with the Dutch MP on Danish national television.
During the interview, Mr Wilders praised the Danish prime minister for his stance on freedom of expression, in connection with the publication and re-publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in Danish media.
Outrage caused
The original publication of the Danish caricatures in 2005 – one of which portrayed the Prophet with a bomb in his turban - caused outrage in the Islamic world.
It resulted in Danish diplomatic missions being torched, and a widespread boycott of Danish produce being introduced across the Muslim world.
“I wish we had such a prime minister in Holland,” Mr Wilders said.
“Unfortunately we have a coward who will not stand fast on the constitution's words about freedom of expression, but instead has sided with the Taleban,” he added.
“This proves my point that Islam is a very violent religion.
"If I had made a movie about the bible, I am sure there wouldn't be the sort of thing from the Vatican as the threats from Pakistan and the Mufti of Lebanon, with threats to me and my fellow countrymen,” Mr Wilders said.
"Condescending statements"
Reacting to Mr Wilders' statements, Prime Minister Rasmussen said he opposed any expression, action or indication that attempted to demonise groups of people on the basis of their religion or ethnic backgrounds.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen
“I strongly condemn Geert Wilders' condescending statements about Muslims.
"I find these expressions extremely offensive.
"They are so insulting that I wish to hear no group in Danish society referred to in such a manner in the public debate.”
Anti-Danish feeling has been rekindled in the Islamic world after 17 Danish publications reprinted cartoons of the Prophet.
This followed the arrest last month of two men accused of plotting to murder the cartoonists responsible for portraying the Prophet with a bomb in his turban.
Denmark has embarked on a widespread diplomatic campaign to explain to governments in the Islamic world, that while it does not agree with the sentiments of Danish cartoons seen as offensive by Muslims, Denmark's strict constitutional laws on freedom of expression make it impossible for the government to intervene.
Internet
In his interview, Mr Wilders said that if he was unable to find anyone who would air his film, it would be put on the internet.
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
According to a Dutch daily which has seen some of the footage, the film shows the Koran being opened.
Inside the pages of the book are shown images of atrocities in Muslim countries that the filmmaker thinks are inspired by verses of the Koran.
Mr Wilders, who leads the Dutch Freedom Party, has said his film will show how the Koran is "an inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror".
Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
Mr van Gogh's film Submission included verses from the Koran, shown against a naked female body.
Source
Uthman
03-25-2008, 08:25 AM
Dutch Islam film website 'shut'
A website that a Dutch right-wing politician was planning to use to release a film expected to be fiercely critical of Islam has been suspended.
The US hosting service, Network Solutions, said it was investigating complaints that it may have breached guidelines on hate language.
Dutch politician Geert Wilders says the 15-minute film describes Islam as "the enemy of freedom".
The planned release has sparked angry protests in many Muslim countries.
The Dutch government has disassociated itself from Mr Wilders' views, but there are fears the film will spark protests similar to those that followed the publication in Denmark two years ago of cartoons seen as offensive to Muslims.
The film has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.
Hate messages
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
Mr Wilders wrote a commentary in a Dutch newspaper on Saturday.
"The film is not so much about Muslims as about the Koran and Islam. The Islamic ideology has as its utmost goal the destruction of what is most dear to us, our freedom," he wrote in De Volkskrant.
"Fitna is the last warning for the West. The fight for freedom has only just begun," he said.
He had been using Network Solutions to promote the film.
But on Sunday, Network Solutions said it had received a number of complaints that were under investigation.
It said the site was suspended until it was established whether the content of the site violated Network Solutions' terms of acceptable use.
They include "material that is obscene, defamatory, libellous, unlawful, harassing, abusive... hate propaganda" and "profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature".
Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
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ReplyA website that a Dutch right-wing politician was planning to use to release a film expected to be fiercely critical of Islam has been suspended.
The US hosting service, Network Solutions, said it was investigating complaints that it may have breached guidelines on hate language.
Dutch politician Geert Wilders says the 15-minute film describes Islam as "the enemy of freedom".
The planned release has sparked angry protests in many Muslim countries.
The Dutch government has disassociated itself from Mr Wilders' views, but there are fears the film will spark protests similar to those that followed the publication in Denmark two years ago of cartoons seen as offensive to Muslims.
The film has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.
Hate messages
Mr Wilders' film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.
Mr Wilders wrote a commentary in a Dutch newspaper on Saturday.
"The film is not so much about Muslims as about the Koran and Islam. The Islamic ideology has as its utmost goal the destruction of what is most dear to us, our freedom," he wrote in De Volkskrant.
"Fitna is the last warning for the West. The fight for freedom has only just begun," he said.
He had been using Network Solutions to promote the film.
But on Sunday, Network Solutions said it had received a number of complaints that were under investigation.
It said the site was suspended until it was established whether the content of the site violated Network Solutions' terms of acceptable use.
They include "material that is obscene, defamatory, libellous, unlawful, harassing, abusive... hate propaganda" and "profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature".
Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.
Source
Uthman
03-25-2008, 08:33 AM
I wonder; on what basis does he make that statement? It's nonsense, in my opinion. Sure, freedom to the same extent as in the Western world is not a part of Islamic beliefs. But that doesn't mean that it's destruction is Islam's 'utmost goal'! It's clear what he is trying to do here. He is misinforming the masses, in order to get them to side with him.
Absolute nonsense.
ReplyAbsolute nonsense.
Uthman
03-25-2008, 10:53 AM
Network Solutions has suspended a Web site that a Dutch lawmaker was using to promote a yet-to-be-released film critical of Islam.
The Web hosting service said it is investigating whether content on the site is in violation of the hosting service's acceptable use policy.
The 15-minute movie, called Fitna--an Arabic word that means "test of faith in times of trial"--describes Islam as "the enemy of freedom," according to comments made by Geert Wilders, a Dutch lawmaker and the film's maker. Dutch officials fear the movie could spark violence, as happened after Danish newspapers published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. The movie is set for release at month's end.
Wilders had been using the site to promote the movie, but the site was pulled after the Web-hosting company said it received a "number of complaints" regarding the site.
"In this situation with the dialogue that's happening throughout the world ,we've made the choice to suspend the site as of last night," Susan Wade, spokeswoman for Network Solutions, told the Associated Press on Sunday.
"This site is suspended so people can't see the content right now. But the customer still has access to their site. They can make whatever changes are necessary as we complete our investigation."
Wilders plans to show his film despite the setback, Dutch news agency ANP reported.
"If need be, I will personally distribute DVDs in the Dam," ANP quoted him as saying. The Dam is the central square in Amsterdam.
Source
ReplyThe Web hosting service said it is investigating whether content on the site is in violation of the hosting service's acceptable use policy.
The 15-minute movie, called Fitna--an Arabic word that means "test of faith in times of trial"--describes Islam as "the enemy of freedom," according to comments made by Geert Wilders, a Dutch lawmaker and the film's maker. Dutch officials fear the movie could spark violence, as happened after Danish newspapers published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. The movie is set for release at month's end.
Wilders had been using the site to promote the movie, but the site was pulled after the Web-hosting company said it received a "number of complaints" regarding the site.
"In this situation with the dialogue that's happening throughout the world ,we've made the choice to suspend the site as of last night," Susan Wade, spokeswoman for Network Solutions, told the Associated Press on Sunday.
"This site is suspended so people can't see the content right now. But the customer still has access to their site. They can make whatever changes are necessary as we complete our investigation."
Wilders plans to show his film despite the setback, Dutch news agency ANP reported.
"If need be, I will personally distribute DVDs in the Dam," ANP quoted him as saying. The Dam is the central square in Amsterdam.
Source
barney
03-25-2008, 09:53 PM
Actually, even if the overwhelming response is "hey, thats a funny film...I think youve got it wrong about our religion, but all power to you and best wishes"
It would still take quite some time before anti-islamic feeling subsides.
People only remember the intersesting responses. Each and every "behead those who insult islam" banner and response simply throws petrol on a inferno.
Denmark, more than any other European nation, is liberal and values free speech. They also have a very very long history of resisting people who try to take that freedom away.
Best response to this film? Ignore.
ReplyIt would still take quite some time before anti-islamic feeling subsides.
People only remember the intersesting responses. Each and every "behead those who insult islam" banner and response simply throws petrol on a inferno.
Denmark, more than any other European nation, is liberal and values free speech. They also have a very very long history of resisting people who try to take that freedom away.
Best response to this film? Ignore.
Whatsthepoint
03-25-2008, 10:11 PM
Uthman
03-26-2008, 08:33 AM
Thanks for the posts. :)
Thing is; when our religion comes under attack then we should do something about it. Our aim should not be to convince the masses, but if just one person sees the truth in our response, then our efforts would be worthwhile.
I think Muslims should make a film of their own in response. It means that:
a) Something is being done about it
b) The thing that is being done is actually civilised
c) Some people might actually be convinced by what we have to say
I believe that this is the best type of Jihad in this situation.
ReplyThing is; when our religion comes under attack then we should do something about it. Our aim should not be to convince the masses, but if just one person sees the truth in our response, then our efforts would be worthwhile.
I think Muslims should make a film of their own in response. It means that:
a) Something is being done about it
b) The thing that is being done is actually civilised
c) Some people might actually be convinced by what we have to say
I believe that this is the best type of Jihad in this situation.
ادْعُ إِلِى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِين
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
~ Surah An-Nahl (The Bee), ayah (verse) 125
(16:125)
(16:125)
FatimaAsSideqah
03-26-2008, 03:32 PM
As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu
While the world is anticipating Greet Wilders's film fitna at short notice, two young Dutchmen have already released a counter film on Youtube and MTNL.nl (official website of the Multicultural Television in the Netherlands). The film, by its Dutch name tegenfilm, was produced for the MTNL. The producers of the film are Ersin Kiris and Vincent van der Lem. The former is a Dutch Muslim of Turkish origin, and the latter is a Dutch atheist. According to the producers' website, "the film seeks the borders of freedom of expression and attacks Wilders with his own weapons."
With this film, the makers try to understand Wilders' behavior. For example, they try to obtain an image of young Wilders in Venlo, the place where the Dutch politician grew up. According to the producers, "something" must have had occurred in Wilders's early life that turned him into an Islamophobic person. The website MTNL.nl additionally argues that "the counteractive film is a report of the point of view of Wilders concerning freedom of expression, democracy, and Muslims."
Unfortunately, no Arabic or English subtitles are available, but the producers of the film are working on this issue. The page of European Muslims at IslamOnline.net (IOL) had the following interview with Van der Lem, one of the film's producers.
IOL: What has motivated you to produce this counteractive film?
Van der Lem: Well, I was brainstorming with Ersin Kiris about new projects and this idea to make a film arose. The polls of December 2007 showed that if there were elections, Rita Verdonk [also a right-wing politician] would receive 20 percent of the Dutch votes and Wilders 15 percent. Meanwhile, there was also an "Islam debate" in the Dutch House of Commons, where Wilders presented his critique on Islam in the Netherlands. And again, polls showed that his critique on Islam was also shared by large groups of other party voters.
Those factors led to a strong belief from our side that we can no longer stay silent, and we had to react because we feared future changes in democracy, which we both care so much about. Consequently, we thought that if Wilders can make a film, then we can also make one with our points of view about the threat of Wilders, which changes our democracy. Actually, I think, by being that radical, Wilders puts himself in the same place as radical Islamists.
IOL: Do you think that Muslims are sufficiently withstanding the views of Wilders?
Van der Lem:Muslims of course are withstanding more and more. But I also think we can solve our problems in the Netherlands all together, Muslims and non-Muslims. But it isn't only Muslims who withstand Wilders's points; there are also a lot of Dutch natives who disagree with him. People should understand that our democracy is strong enough and that we can solve our own problems internally — through debate — without the unjust interference of Muslim countries.
IOL: Do you think that there is a need for more "Muslim media"?
Van der Lem:Not necessarily; there are already two Muslim broadcasters: the Dutch Muslim Broadcasting and the Dutch Islamic Broadcasting. But to have more Muslims on TV in general without their religion being the main reason for their appearance would be better. This would show Dutch natives that Muslims are individuals and that you cannot speak of the "Muslim" in general. Everybody can have points of view about Islam and Muslims; there shouldn't be only the Muslim media to represent the Muslims.
IOL: What is your opinion about the media coverage of Muslims in the Netherlands?
Van der Lem:The media coverage sometimes presents one-sided stories. The coverage of the conflict in Israel shows a good example. Also, when Wilders claims something, it is being directly published because it is news. But almost none of the journalists asks him or gets the opportunity to ask him "how" he wants to implement those ideas in the society.
For instance, Wilders's wish to eliminate the equality principle from our constitution is almost impossible to realize, because of the rules that are set for changing the constitution. Above all, the words that Wilders use are generalized; for example, he used the word street terrorists while talking about the Moroccan youngsters when he was actually referring to a small part of the Moroccan youngsters who are a nuisance in the poor neighborhoods. Media should more often construe his tactics. Another example is the word allochtoon [a Dutch word used to refer to immigrants and their descendents], which is being mixed up a lot with the word Muslims. Some journalists stigmatize this way.
IOL: What is your advice for Muslims of the Netherlands when the film of Wilders is released?
Van der Lem: First of all, as mentioned before, the "Muslim" — this general word — does not exist. There are all kinds of Muslims. But I expect and can understand that there will be frustration among Muslims. Especially young people should prepare themselves for his film. They must not react to the provocation of Wilders, because, to me, that is what his film is meant for. I think Wilders hopes to see the Muslims burning flags and the young Muslims starting riots after the release of his film, because this would partly prove his point: Muslims cannot cope with freedom of speech. Young people should prove him wrong.
One can organize debates or other kinds of meetings, but of course it is debatable how many young Muslims who are prepared to start riots will reach the point of such meetings. I would like to add that it is also inappropriate that Muslim countries think that Dutch Muslims cannot handle their own issues and that they need help from Muslims abroad. If a film is discriminating or hateful, it will be forbidden but not in advance, because — and I'm glad — we don't have a state censorship. This is an internal Dutch issue, and I think we should consider organizing a petition with the names of all the important Muslims in the Netherlands who are claiming that we can solve our own problems and that we can handle Wilders without worry in the Netherlands and that the rest of the Muslim countries shouldn't interfere with the Dutch matters.
IOL: Do you have future plans regarding the issue in discussion?
Van der Lem: We set up a website [Tegenfilm.hyves.nl] in order to let the people who want to debate further about the counteractive film meet one another. We are aiming at more strong counteracts to his [Wilders's] political arguments in the media, because we are being criticized by some Dutch media that the film is good but it doesn't contain sufficient arguments against Wilders's political ideas.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...ms%2FEMELayout
ReplyWhile the world is anticipating Greet Wilders's film fitna at short notice, two young Dutchmen have already released a counter film on Youtube and MTNL.nl (official website of the Multicultural Television in the Netherlands). The film, by its Dutch name tegenfilm, was produced for the MTNL. The producers of the film are Ersin Kiris and Vincent van der Lem. The former is a Dutch Muslim of Turkish origin, and the latter is a Dutch atheist. According to the producers' website, "the film seeks the borders of freedom of expression and attacks Wilders with his own weapons."
With this film, the makers try to understand Wilders' behavior. For example, they try to obtain an image of young Wilders in Venlo, the place where the Dutch politician grew up. According to the producers, "something" must have had occurred in Wilders's early life that turned him into an Islamophobic person. The website MTNL.nl additionally argues that "the counteractive film is a report of the point of view of Wilders concerning freedom of expression, democracy, and Muslims."
Unfortunately, no Arabic or English subtitles are available, but the producers of the film are working on this issue. The page of European Muslims at IslamOnline.net (IOL) had the following interview with Van der Lem, one of the film's producers.
IOL: What has motivated you to produce this counteractive film?
Van der Lem: Well, I was brainstorming with Ersin Kiris about new projects and this idea to make a film arose. The polls of December 2007 showed that if there were elections, Rita Verdonk [also a right-wing politician] would receive 20 percent of the Dutch votes and Wilders 15 percent. Meanwhile, there was also an "Islam debate" in the Dutch House of Commons, where Wilders presented his critique on Islam in the Netherlands. And again, polls showed that his critique on Islam was also shared by large groups of other party voters.
Those factors led to a strong belief from our side that we can no longer stay silent, and we had to react because we feared future changes in democracy, which we both care so much about. Consequently, we thought that if Wilders can make a film, then we can also make one with our points of view about the threat of Wilders, which changes our democracy. Actually, I think, by being that radical, Wilders puts himself in the same place as radical Islamists.
IOL: Do you think that Muslims are sufficiently withstanding the views of Wilders?
Van der Lem:Muslims of course are withstanding more and more. But I also think we can solve our problems in the Netherlands all together, Muslims and non-Muslims. But it isn't only Muslims who withstand Wilders's points; there are also a lot of Dutch natives who disagree with him. People should understand that our democracy is strong enough and that we can solve our own problems internally — through debate — without the unjust interference of Muslim countries.
IOL: Do you think that there is a need for more "Muslim media"?
Van der Lem:Not necessarily; there are already two Muslim broadcasters: the Dutch Muslim Broadcasting and the Dutch Islamic Broadcasting. But to have more Muslims on TV in general without their religion being the main reason for their appearance would be better. This would show Dutch natives that Muslims are individuals and that you cannot speak of the "Muslim" in general. Everybody can have points of view about Islam and Muslims; there shouldn't be only the Muslim media to represent the Muslims.
IOL: What is your opinion about the media coverage of Muslims in the Netherlands?
Van der Lem:The media coverage sometimes presents one-sided stories. The coverage of the conflict in Israel shows a good example. Also, when Wilders claims something, it is being directly published because it is news. But almost none of the journalists asks him or gets the opportunity to ask him "how" he wants to implement those ideas in the society.
For instance, Wilders's wish to eliminate the equality principle from our constitution is almost impossible to realize, because of the rules that are set for changing the constitution. Above all, the words that Wilders use are generalized; for example, he used the word street terrorists while talking about the Moroccan youngsters when he was actually referring to a small part of the Moroccan youngsters who are a nuisance in the poor neighborhoods. Media should more often construe his tactics. Another example is the word allochtoon [a Dutch word used to refer to immigrants and their descendents], which is being mixed up a lot with the word Muslims. Some journalists stigmatize this way.
IOL: What is your advice for Muslims of the Netherlands when the film of Wilders is released?
Van der Lem: First of all, as mentioned before, the "Muslim" — this general word — does not exist. There are all kinds of Muslims. But I expect and can understand that there will be frustration among Muslims. Especially young people should prepare themselves for his film. They must not react to the provocation of Wilders, because, to me, that is what his film is meant for. I think Wilders hopes to see the Muslims burning flags and the young Muslims starting riots after the release of his film, because this would partly prove his point: Muslims cannot cope with freedom of speech. Young people should prove him wrong.
One can organize debates or other kinds of meetings, but of course it is debatable how many young Muslims who are prepared to start riots will reach the point of such meetings. I would like to add that it is also inappropriate that Muslim countries think that Dutch Muslims cannot handle their own issues and that they need help from Muslims abroad. If a film is discriminating or hateful, it will be forbidden but not in advance, because — and I'm glad — we don't have a state censorship. This is an internal Dutch issue, and I think we should consider organizing a petition with the names of all the important Muslims in the Netherlands who are claiming that we can solve our own problems and that we can handle Wilders without worry in the Netherlands and that the rest of the Muslim countries shouldn't interfere with the Dutch matters.
IOL: Do you have future plans regarding the issue in discussion?
Van der Lem: We set up a website [Tegenfilm.hyves.nl] in order to let the people who want to debate further about the counteractive film meet one another. We are aiming at more strong counteracts to his [Wilders's] political arguments in the media, because we are being criticized by some Dutch media that the film is good but it doesn't contain sufficient arguments against Wilders's political ideas.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...ms%2FEMELayout
Pygoscelis
03-27-2008, 12:14 AM
Trumble sir, you are right on the mark.
The true irony of the cartoon fiasco was that some muslims got so upset at islam being potrayed as being violent, that they got violent.
ReplyThe true irony of the cartoon fiasco was that some muslims got so upset at islam being potrayed as being violent, that they got violent.
Fishman
03-27-2008, 11:39 PM
:sl:
Its out.
Fortunately, it has been pressured and bashed enough that the only place that will show it is an internet movie-sharing site. A fitting end for bad rubbish!
:w:
ReplyIts out.
Fortunately, it has been pressured and bashed enough that the only place that will show it is an internet movie-sharing site. A fitting end for bad rubbish!
:w:
islamirama
03-29-2008, 07:36 PM
UN chief condemns anti-Islam film
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has strongly condemned a controversial film on Islam made by a Dutch politician, calling it "offensively anti-Islamic".
Several Muslim countries have also condemned the film, a 15-minute polemic by the far-right MP Geert Wilder, which was posted online on Thursday.
Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran and Bangladesh were among those to protest.
The film sets verses from the Koran against a background of violent images from terror attacks.
"I condemn, in the strongest terms, the airing of Geert Wilders' offensively anti-Islamic film," Mr Ban said in a statement.
"The right of free expression is not at stake here," he added. "Freedom must always be accompanied by social responsibility."
The EU's Slovenian presidency said the film served no purpose other than "inflaming hatred".
'Defamatory'
In Pakistan there were small protests in several places on Friday against the film, while the government summoned the Dutch ambassador in Islamabad to lodge a protest.
The country's Foreign Ministry said the film was defamatory and "deeply offended" Muslim sentiments.
Pakistan said it told the Dutch ambassador that it was incumbent on the Netherlands to prosecute Mr Wilders for defamation and deliberately hurting Muslim sentiments, the official Associated Press of Pakistan news agency reported.
The world's most populous Muslim nation, Indonesia, also condemned the film, saying it was "misleading and full of racism".
The foreign ministry in Bangladesh issued a statement calling the film "unwarranted" and "mindless".
Iran said it was blasphemous, anti-Islamic and heinous - a sign it said of deep hatred felt by Westerners towards Muslims.
In the Netherlands, Mr Wilders has said he is happy with what he sees as the relatively positive domestic reaction to his film.
But the Dutch prime minister said the film wrongly equated Islam with violence.
"We reject this interpretation," Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said shortly before its publication.
"The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence and in fact the victims are often also Muslims."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...pe/7319188.stm
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