PDA

View Full Version : Pope Muslim Baptism Raises Eyebrows



FatimaAsSideqah
03-26-2008, 04:02 PM
As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

PARIS/CAIRO — The Vatican's high-profiled, headline-grabbing baptism of a Muslim-born convert earlier this week has raised eyebrows not only among Muslims but Catholics as well.

"I don't understand why he wasn't baptized in his hometown by his local bishop," Christophe Roucou, the French Catholic Church's top official for relations with Islam, told Reuters.

Pope Benedict XVI baptized Egyptian-born Magdi Allam, an vicious critic of Islam and defender of Israel, Saturday at a Vatican Easter service. :raging:

Vatican Television zoomed in on Allam, who sat in the front row of the basilica, before he received his first Communion.

As a choir sang, the pontiff poured holy water over Allam's head and said a brief prayer in Latin.

His conversion to Christianity was a well-kept secret, disclosed by the Vatican less than an hour before the Easter eve service started.

The picture and high-profile baptism made international headlines.

Muslim intellectuals were angered, not by the conversion, but the way it was handled by the Vatican.

"The whole spectacle…provokes genuine questions about the motives, intentions and plans of some of the pope's advisers on Islam," Aref Ali Nayed, the director of Jordan's the Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Center, said in a statement.

He regretted that the Vatican had turned the baptism into "a triumphalist tool for scoring points."

Islam Criticism

Nayed, one of 138 Muslim scholars who last October issued an unprecedented appeal for a serious interfaith dialogue with Christians, asked the Vatican to distance itself from Allam's searing attack on Islam.

"[It is] sad that the particular person chosen for such a highly public gesture has a history of generating, and continues to generate, hateful discourse."

Allam has been a fierce critic of Islam.

"Beyond…the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent to a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam," he wrote in his della Sera daily hours after his baptism. :omg:

The All India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat and the South Asian Council for Minorities also criticized the Vatican handling.

They dismissed the high-profile baptism as "patronization of Allam’s views on Islam by the Vatican."

"The incident provokes genuine questions about the motives behind this high-profile ceremony and the future plans of the Vatican vis-a-vis other faiths," they said in a joint statement mailed to IslamOnline.net.

They said this negates Vatican’s recent announcement that it sincerely wishes to engage Muslims in dialogue, expecting it to hinder the peaceful co-existence and meaningful interfaith dialogue.

Trend

Mahmoud Belhimer, deputy editor of Algeria's popular El Khabar newspaper, said Allam's conversion "could have been normal if he had not made anti-Islamic comments."

Mohamed Yatim, commentator for the Moroccan daily Attajdid, said the move is a part of a growing anti-Islam trend in the West.

"[This is] a new provocation for the Islamic world and part of a trend that has intensified in recent years with the caricatures of the Prophet."

Denmark's main dailies reprinted on February 13, a drawing of a man described as the prophet with a ticking bomb in his turban.

This has reignited a controversy that first surfaced in 2005 after the mass-circulation Jyllands-Posten commissioned and printed 12 cartoons of the prophet, sending thousands of protesting Muslims into the streets across the world.

Pope Benedict himself angered Muslims in 2006 after delivering a lecture in which he cited criticism of Islam and Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) by an ancient Roman emperor.

"Nevertheless, we will not let this unfortunate episode distract us from our work on pursuing 'A Common Word' for the sake of humanity and world peace," said Nayed, the Muslim scholar.

"Our basis for dialogue is not a tit-for-tat logic of reciprocity."

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...News/NWELayout
Reply

Login/Register to hide ads. Scroll down for more posts
Whatsthepoint
03-26-2008, 06:33 PM
I don't think pope did the right thing, but I don't think criticism coming from muslims is entirely justified. After all, muslims too tend to be vocal about the numerous converts from Christianity to Islam, many of whom happen to be critical of their former faith.
Reply

Amadeus85
03-27-2008, 12:23 AM
I think that pope is a wise man and he just showed something that many knows but they are afraid to admit - that the only way to save Europe from Islam's conquest is christianity.
Reply

Malaikah
03-27-2008, 05:56 AM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
that the only way to save Europe from Islam's conquest is christianity.
And who is going to save Europe from Christianity...? :X
Reply

Welcome, Guest!
Hey there! Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, you can participate in the discussions and share your thoughts. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and make new friends.
Sign Up
Al-Zaara
03-27-2008, 07:00 AM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
And who is going to save Europe from Christianity...? :X
Probably atheism or agnoticism.


Whatever, who is this guy again? Someone who'll change the world? A genius, like Einstein? No? Another Islam-hater? Oooh... like whatever.

The Pope can criticize all what he wants, it's not like we're unaware he's not fond of Islam nor that there are many people who dislike Islam in Europe. So long there are practicing Muslims, they will keep coming and keep coming.

Maybe we should take some quite famous figure and show his/her revertion to the whole world, lights and stuff and then a big poster saying 'Beat this, Ben!' ? Why don't we do that? :skeleton:

To be honest I awaited something like this to happen. Not like I'm against interfaith dialogues, on the contrary, but history repeats itself. Muslims and Chatolics, mmm, never a good combination as a whole. Individuals might find peace, but big crowds? I'm skeptical.
Reply

guyabano
03-27-2008, 07:44 AM
Greetings,

I also saw it on TV by coincidence, and I also don't get this show off of this baptismal. I would nearby say, it was a provocation towards muslims.
But on other side, muslims easily get irritated and it seems, they took the bait.
He' s just one among thousands who leave Islam everyday, same as thousands join Islam everyday.

Peace
Reply

Malaikah
03-27-2008, 01:11 PM
And why are we meant to care anyway? It his own soul that he has condemned to the hell fire, not anyway one elses.
Reply

guyabano
03-27-2008, 01:20 PM
Hellfire according to the beliefs of muslims, but not others. Since he's no more muslim, no need to be afraid for a hellfire

Peace
Reply

seeker_of_ilm
03-27-2008, 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by guyabano
Hellfire according to the beliefs of muslims, but not others. Since he's no more muslim, no need to be afraid for a hellfire

Peace
And did she state otherwise? She wasn't talking on behalf of the atheists or anyone else when she said "And why are we meant to care anyway?"

See the we? Implies Muslims.
Reply

IbnAbdulHakim
03-27-2008, 02:04 PM
whos this pope benedict man then?

israel defender eh, you know israel defenders have to be the biggest propaganda eating brainwashed people.



seriously..
Reply

Amadeus85
03-27-2008, 02:24 PM
Islam's goal is to conquer and colonize Europe. Muslims are trying to do this since the beginning of their religion (few years after Muhammed's death muslims attacked southern Italy). But always there were great christian heroes who managed to stop them, for example Charles Martel, Pelayo, or Jan III Sobieski. As one sheik said in Germany few years ago-"We conquered Constantinople and we will conquer Rome as well". Nowadays there are just a few brave men who realize this and even less those who try to do something about this.
Reply

IbnAbdulHakim
03-27-2008, 02:27 PM
^ when our beloved prophet ISA alaihissalaam comes, this whole world will be under islaam obeying only one lord living in peace :)
Reply

Malaikah
03-27-2008, 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
Islam's goal is to conquer and colonize Europe.
Conquer Europe, eh? With what army? Muslims are having enough trouble holding on to the land that already belong to them, let alone worrying about 'conquering' Europe.
Reply

Whatsthepoint
03-27-2008, 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
Conquer Europe, eh? With what army? Muslims are having enough trouble holding on to the land that already belong to them, let alone worrying about 'conquering' Europe.
War is not the only way to conquer a land, it usually proves to be one of the less successful ways to do it. Emmigration and children are much more effective and muslims seem to have the lead in both. I'm not sure as to whether all this is intentional, I don't think it is.
Isn't there an ayat or a hadith that says Rome will be conquered by peaceful means?
Reply

Uthman
03-27-2008, 02:43 PM
This news hasn't bothered me even slightly, if I'm being honest. Let's focus on the positives, shall we. :)
Reply

IbnAbdulHakim
03-27-2008, 02:44 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
War is not the only way to conquer a land, it usually proves to be one of the less successful ways to do it. Emmigration and children are much more effective and muslims seem to have the lead in both. I'm not sure as to whether all this is intentional, I don't think it is.
Isn't there an ayat or a hadith that says Rome will be conquered by peaceful means?
i see no reason why not, africa/india etc were conquered by no force, people chose to embrace islaam themselves.

so why not rome eh :)
Reply

Uthman
03-27-2008, 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Emmigration and children are much more effective and muslims seem to have the lead in both. I'm not sure as to whether all this is intentional, I don't think it is.
Perhaps it's Allah's intention. :)
Reply

FatimaAsSideqah
03-27-2008, 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
War is not the only way to conquer a land, it usually proves to be one of the less successful ways to do it. Emmigration and children are much more effective and muslims seem to have the lead in both. I'm not sure as to whether all this is intentional, I don't think it is.
Isn't there an ayat or a hadith that says Rome will be conquered by peaceful means?
Mu’adh, the son of Jabal said,

“The Prophet Sallallahu ‘Alaihi Wa Sallam said, ‘The building of Bayt al-Maqdis (al-Aqsa in Jerusalem) will be followed by the destruction of Yathrib (Madinah), which will be followed by a fierce battle (great war), which will be followed by the conquest of Rome, which will be followed by the appearance of the Dajjal.’"

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war (i.e., the battle of Armageddon) will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal comes forth." He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: "This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal)".


Note: Some believe that the city of Constantinople, in these narrations, is actually referring to the city of Rome as it's descriptions and other narrations indicate, that before the Dajjal's appearance, the city of Rome would be conquered. However, it can also be said (and this is probably more correct) that Constantinople would be conquered for a second time, because the Romans would've gained control of it from the Muslims. So it would in fact be that there would be a second conquest of Constantinople, immediately followed by the conquest of Rome.
Reply

Whatsthepoint
03-27-2008, 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
i see no reason why not, africa/india etc were conquered by no force, people chose to embrace islaam themselves.

so why not rome eh :)
A lot of people(s) chose Islam in order to gain certain political and economical rights, others, anmely tribal peoples from Africa and Asia converted bcause muslim tarders and conquerers had shiny agdgets and nice clothes... and some accepted it because they felt it was the truth. I have no idea what was the most common type for conversion, nor is it important actually, as it is off topic.

Well, yeah, Europeans may accept Islam as well, however I think it will take longer than it did in India and Africa, seeing that our society vastly differs from the afore mentioned.
If it should ever happen, it will happen through immigrantion and birth rates.
Reply

IbnAbdulHakim
03-27-2008, 03:02 PM
^ yeah and a lot of people reverted cause they felt islaam is the truth :p
Reply

Whatsthepoint
03-27-2008, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
^ yeah and a lot of people reverted cause they felt islaam is the truth :p
Yes, however the numbers of converts are insignificant compared to the overall number of muslims living in Europe.
Reply

IbnAbdulHakim
03-27-2008, 03:09 PM
^ and its always growing. im a muslim by choice, as is every member of this forum and most other forums. As is every friend i know :)
Reply

Whatsthepoint
03-27-2008, 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
^ and its always growing. im a muslim by choice, as is every member of this forum and most other forums. As is every friend i know :)
what do you mean muslim by choise? Convert? Practicing by choice?...?
Reply

IbnAbdulHakim
03-27-2008, 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
what do you mean muslim by choise? Convert? Practicing by choice?...?
i could drink alcohol , go with girls or do whatever i want. theres no one watching my outside my home but i reflected over my religion carefully and i believe it to be the truth :)
Reply

snakelegs
03-27-2008, 07:44 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
Islam's goal is to conquer and colonize Europe. Muslims are trying to do this since the beginning of their religion (few years after Muhammed's death muslims attacked southern Italy). But always there were great christian heroes who managed to stop them, for example Charles Martel, Pelayo, or Jan III Sobieski. As one sheik said in Germany few years ago-"We conquered Constantinople and we will conquer Rome as well". Nowadays there are just a few brave men who realize this and even less those who try to do something about this.
you do realize that europe was not always christian, don't you?
when you say "islam's goal etc" - what are you talking about? there is no caliphate. what "islam" has the goal of colonizing europe???
Reply

barney
03-27-2008, 07:51 PM
This incident is a chance for Benedict to show how isolated and out of touch the catholic church is, or at least the vatican.
Its also a focal point for muslims to rage against apostacy and for the west to tut-tut and become more firmly entrenched in their veiws on Islam.

Evryones a loser.
Reply

Amadeus85
03-27-2008, 09:13 PM
[QUOTE=snakelegs;920769]
you do realize that europe was not always christian, don't you?
Yes, as a student of history I realize that Europe wasnt always christian, but what has it to do with what i said? Besides, after Muhammed's death msot of Western Europe was already christian.
when you say "islam's goal etc" - what are you talking about? there is no caliphate. what "islam" has the goal of colonizing europe???
There is no caliphate, but there are Saudi princess sleeping on trillions of dollars,there are groups like Muslim Brotherhood and others who knows history and know that in Quaran there is prohpecy about the conquest of Rome. They know about it just like knew it Arabs and Berbers conquering Spain and Portugal, and just like knew it Turks marching towards Vienna in 1619 and in 1685. And only because the open wars arent hapenning now, it doesnt mean that their plan is delayed.
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-27-2008, 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
And who is going to save Europe from Christianity...? :X
The Sikhs... :exhausted
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-27-2008, 10:26 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
^ when our beloved prophet ISA alaihissalaam comes, this whole world will be under islaam obeying only one lord living in peace :)
Ooooooh really....?

Even Sikhs? I find that difficult to believe. Though our Religion mentions 'Kuaar Hoye Sab Milenghe Hum, Bache Jo Charan Hoi' - The Pure Ones That Survive Shall Meet Again.

Though we believe in the one Lord already!
Reply

InToTheRain
03-27-2008, 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
I think that pope is a wise man and he just showed something that many knows but they are afraid to admit - that the only way to save Europe from Islam's conquest is christianity.
Did the Muslims kill the indeginious poppulation of Spain, Australia and America?

It is true that the Muslims given power will enforce the Laws of Allah(SWT) on land.
Muslims are too tolerant, that is the problem, if the Muslims wished they could have had the world by now. Historians have quoted that the biggest mistake Sallahuddin Ayubbi(RA) made was to let the crusaders live after defeating them in numerous battles.
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-27-2008, 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by Z.AL-Rashid
Did the Muslims kill the indeginious poppulation of Spain, Australia and America?

It is true that the Muslims given power will enforce the Laws of Allah(SWT) on land.
Muslims are too tolerant, that is the problem, if the Muslims wished they could have had the world by now. Historians have quoted that the biggest mistake Sallahuddin Ayubbi(RA) made was to let the crusaders live after defeating them in numerous battles.
The Mughals did a pretty **** good job in india to eradicate the Sikhs! - Though then we were in our thousands, but we flourished into our millions! - You can't kill those that have the protection of Allah upon them! :D
Reply

FatimaAsSideqah
03-27-2008, 10:50 PM
As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu


Ruby colour area: Expansion under the Prophet Muhammad, 612-632

Dark Pink area: Expansion during the Rightly Guided Caliphate, 635-661

Light orange area: Expansion during the Umayyad Caliphate, 661-750
Reply

Fishman
03-27-2008, 11:25 PM
:sl:
I wanna conquer Europe though!
:w:
Reply

FatimaAsSideqah
03-28-2008, 12:26 AM
As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu


A Muslim scholar involved in high-level dialogue with the Vatican has denounced the Pope's baptism on Saturday of a prominent Italian Muslim convert.

Aref Ali Nayed, the head of Jordan's Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Centre, called the baptism of journalist Magdi Allam a deliberate and provocative act.

The Vatican has not yet commented, but its official newspaper said the gesture aimed to promote religious freedom.

The Pope traditionally baptises adult converts to Catholicism on Easter eve.

Mr Allam's invitation to the ceremony, which took place in St Peter's Basilica, was however kept secret by the Vatican, until just before the Easter vigil mass.

The Egyptian-born Italian TV and newspaper commentator has been an outspoken critic of Islamist militancy and a strong supporter of Israel.

He says such controversial views and his conversion to Christianity have provoked threats on his life, and he is now protected by a police escort.

'Triumphalist tool'

In a stinging rebuke of Saturday's televised ceremony, Mr Nayed denounced what he called "the Vatican's deliberate and provocative act of baptising Allam on such a special occasion and in such a spectacular way".

"It is sad that the intimate and personal act of a religious conversion is made into a triumphalist tool for scoring points," he said in a written statement.

Mr Nayed said Pope Benedict XVI's actions came "at a most unfortunate time when sincere Muslims and Catholics are working very hard to mend ruptures between the two communities".

The Jordanian scholar has been at the forefront of an initiative gathering more than 130 Muslim scholars who recently wrote to the Pope and other Christian leaders calling for greater dialogue and good will between Muslims and Christians.

The Vatican has also been keen to repair relations with moderate Muslims, particularly after the crisis caused by a speech the Pope gave in Germany in 2006, in which he appeared to associate Islam with violence.

But Mr Nayed added that despite the Vatican's actions, the initiative for dialogue to improve relations would continue.

"Our basis for dialogue is not a tit-for-tat logic of 'reciprocity' but a compassionate theology of mending," he wrote.

The Vatican has not yet commented on the criticism, but its official newspaper L'Osservatore Romano on Tuesday denied that the ceremony had been intentionally inflammatory, noting that it had not been publicised in advance.

The newspaper wrote that the baptism had been a papal "gesture" without hostile intentions aimed at stressing "in a gentle and clear way, religious freedom".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7313870.stm
Reply

Amadeus85
03-28-2008, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
I wanna conquer Europe though!
:w:
Sons and daughters of Europe are ready to resist your imperialistic plans Fishman :raging::):D
Reply

Keltoi
03-28-2008, 11:33 AM
If Muslims are supposed to conquer Rome I'm afraid the Visigoths and their other wild haired friends already beat them to it...after it was already falling apart anyway of course...:)

Not being a Catholic, I don't really see what the big deal is. So a former Muslim converted to Catholicism. It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last. If its about the spectacle of it...well, Muslims get pretty excited on a message forum when they hear of some former Christian converting to Islam.
Reply

anatolian
03-28-2008, 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Isn't there an ayat or a hadith that says Rome will be conquered by peaceful means?
There's a hadith and it's about the second conquest of Istanbul...
Reply

Fishman
03-28-2008, 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
Sons and daughters of Europe are ready to resist your imperialistic plans Fishman :raging::):D
:sl:
Hey, look on the bright side, at least you won't need a passport anymore!
:w:
Reply

------
03-28-2008, 11:55 AM
:salamext:

I've just read throught the whole thread - can someone explain the first post in english?! The pope coverted from islaam to Christianity?

help :(
Reply

Ummu Sufyaan
03-28-2008, 11:58 AM
:sl:
hun, i havnt read the whole thingee, but even if he was an apostate i reckon the whole reason why he done the babtizing thingee was to stirr trouble amoungst the muslims..if thats the case, go figure *rolls eyes*
Reply

anatolian
03-28-2008, 12:00 PM
We will conquer Rome like this :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTA6...eature=related
Reply

------
03-28-2008, 12:03 PM
:salamext:

CAN anyone explain me the first article please?!
Reply

IbnAbdulHakim
03-28-2008, 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM
:salamext:

I've just read throught the whole thread - can someone explain the first post in english?! The pope coverted from islaam to Christianity?

help :(
some pope baptized an ex-muslim in public.


thats about it
Reply

nocturne
03-28-2008, 12:09 PM
This is nothing new. The christians are very aggressive in getting people to convert to their religion.

This is an embarrassing stance from the Vatican.
Reply

anatolian
03-28-2008, 12:10 PM
Pope baptized an ex-muslim new catholic...I think Pope makes a show..
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-28-2008, 12:41 PM
Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
I wanna conquer Europe though!
:w:
Fuhrer is that you...? :D

It's old news now anyway! - Fitna the film is the new thing
!
Reply

Uthman
03-28-2008, 12:59 PM
:sl:

Originally Posted by nocturne
The christians are very aggressive in getting people to convert to their religion.
Brother, that's a bit of a generalisation, wouldn't you say?

:)

:w:
Reply

Uthman
03-28-2008, 03:40 PM
Vatican: convert who slammed Islam doesn't express pope's views

VATICAN CITY: The convert from Islam who denounced what he called "inherent" violence in Islam a day after Pope Benedict XVI baptized him was not expressing the pope's views, a Vatican spokesman said Thursday.

Magdi Allam, an Egyptian-born deputy editor of Corriere della Sera newspaper and frequent commentator on Islamic terrorism, "has the right to express his own ideas, which remain his personal ideas, without obviously becoming in any way the official expression of the positions of the pope or the Holy See," said the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the chief Vatican spokesman.

Benedict baptized Allam, 55, in St. Peter's Basilica on Saturday night during an Easter vigil ceremony televised worldwide.

Lombardi told Vatican Radio that "to welcome into the church a new believer obviously does not signify marrying all his ideas and views, particularly on political or social subjects."

Allam sparked anger in the Muslim world when he wrote in Corriere della Sera a day after his baptism that Islam is "physiologically violent and historically conflictual."

Among those criticizing the Vatican for allowing Allam to convert in such a high-profile way was a Muslim scholar, Aref Ali Nayed, who participated in recent Vatican talks to improve Catholic-Muslim relations.

Nayed, who directs the Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Center in Amman, Jordan, denounced what he called "the Vatican's deliberate and provocative act."

Nayed also expressed dismay that the baptism was held while "sincere Muslims and Catholics are working very hard to mend ruptures."
Earlier this month, Nayed participated in two days of talks at the Vatican to prepare for an audience in November between the pontiff and Muslim religious leaders and scholars.

Lombardi said the Vatican holds Nayed in "very high esteem" and expressed satisfaction that he still was wants to pursue dialogue.

The Vatican wants to mend relations with moderate Islam and has placed importance on the upcoming audience with representatives of 138 Muslim scholars who wrote to the pope last year calling for greater Muslim-Christian dialogue.

That dialogue "is of extreme importance, and shouldn't be interrupted," Lombardi said. "It takes priority over episodes that can be the object of misunderstanding."

A speech by the pope in 2006 citing a medieval emperor's words about Islam and violence angered many in the Muslim world. Benedict later expressed regret that the speech had caused anger.

Allam has built his career as commentator and book author on attacking Islamic extremism and supporting Israel.

On Tuesday, the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano described his baptism as a papal "gesture" aimed at stressing religious freedom and harboring "no hostile intentions" toward Islam.

Source
Reply

FatimaAsSideqah
03-28-2008, 05:21 PM
As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Jazaak'Allah Khair for the article, brother Osman.
Reply

Fishman
03-28-2008, 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Fuhrer is that you...? :D
:sl:
Nope. Unlike Nazis we use peaceful weapons. Like the giant bundle of grass and flowers and cat hair positioned in space above Europe. When their armies start marching, we will deploy 'Operation Olbas Oil'. All the soldiers will go home on sick-leave with runny noses, whilst I will inherit the continent! :D Muhahahaha!:D:raging::D
I will then sell handkerchieves to the populace at extortionary prices. And bring back window taxes. And ban wearing yellow in public.

I sound like an evil genius now... :D
:w:
Reply

The_Prince
03-28-2008, 11:08 PM
lol so funny, ppl have a right to express their views? HAHAHA this comming from the catholic church which led campaigns to kill anyone who had different ideas to that of the catholic church.

anyways, since the pope is for freedom of expression let me express my feelings:

i think the catholic church sucks and is made up of pedo's and thieves, and i think the pope looks like a vampire and is very stupid just like his beliefs. thank you pope.
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-28-2008, 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
Nope. Unlike Nazis we use peaceful weapons. Like the giant bundle of grass and flowers and cat hair positioned in space above Europe. When their armies start marching, we will deploy 'Operation Olbas Oil'. All the soldiers will go home on sick-leave with runny noses, whilst I will inherit the continent! :D Muhahahaha!:D:raging::D
I will then sell handkerchieves to the populace at extortionary prices. And bring back window taxes. And ban wearing yellow in public.

I sound like an evil genius now... :D
:w:
Haha - You're safe! :statisfie
Reply

DAWUD_adnan
03-28-2008, 11:32 PM
SubhanAllah, this pope has been very anti-Islamic since the day he came in. He is shaming Christians, the previous pope, was a man with respect to all peoples from all faiths.
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-29-2008, 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by DAWUD_adnan
SubhanAllah, this pope has been very anti-Islamic since the day he came in. He is shaming Christians, the previous pope, was a man with respect to all peoples from all faiths.
Well he is a Nazi. JP II - Was kind, he met up with various people of Faiths. This tart is saying Sikhs have to take off the Kirpans in order to meet him, which wasn't the case with JP II. Sikh Org, has declined to meet him, out of principle. The Nazi scum! :raging:
Reply

Amadeus85
03-29-2008, 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Well he is a Nazi. JP II - Was kind, he met up with various people of Faiths. This tart is saying Sikhs have to take off the Kirpans in order to meet him, which wasn't the case with JP II. Sikh Org, has declined to meet him, out of principle. The Nazi scum! :raging:
Using offensive language is sign of lack of culture. Pope's job isnt to make others feel better but to speak the biblical message.
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-29-2008, 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
Using offensive language is sign of lack of culture. Pope's job isnt to make others feel better but to speak the biblical message.
What version though...? He's a Nazi, and Catholics aren't Christians, they are a sect. With twisted beliefs! Corrupted, ETC ETC.
Reply

Amadeus85
03-29-2008, 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
What version though...? He's a Nazi, and Catholics aren't Christians, they are a sect. With twisted beliefs! Corrupted, ETC ETC.
Those are yor words-

Leave Religion alone. Debate yes, but not insult and hurt the sentiments of the followers of ANY Religion. That includes the beliefs of Agnostics, Athiests etc.
So why dont you stick to your own rules?
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-29-2008, 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
Those are your words-


So why dont you stick to your own rules?
LOL! - :-[

OK, erm, I'm playing Devils Advocate.
:exhausted
Reply

Amadeus85
03-29-2008, 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
LOL! - :-[

OK, erm, I'm playing Devils Advocate.
:exhausted
I dont know anything about your religion, I have never met any Sikh in my life, so if you can, dont make me think that all Sikhs are such "tolerant" and "kind" like you.
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-29-2008, 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85;921329[B
I dont know anything about your religion, I have never met any Sikh in my life, so if you can, dont make me think that all Sikhs are such "tolerant" and "kind" like you.
Educate yourself.

I don't have to agree with the pope. That's my perogative.
Reply

Keltoi
03-29-2008, 08:43 PM
Benedict wasn't a Nazi either...he was put in the Hitler youth as a child. Like many German children.
Reply

AvarAllahNoor
03-29-2008, 10:33 PM
Surely if he's 'chosen' by God, God would only select a pure pope? Then, one pope was actively siding with hitler. See the flaws. Nothing like St Peter.
Reply

Fishman
03-29-2008, 10:34 PM
Originally Posted by Keltoi
Like many German children.
:sl:
Like all German boys. Membership was compulsory.
:w:
Reply

Hey there! Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, you can participate in the discussions and share your thoughts. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and make new friends.
Sign Up

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 25
    Last Post: 08-21-2013, 12:16 PM
  2. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 09-18-2010, 08:52 PM
  3. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 02-26-2008, 06:34 PM
  4. Replies: 19
    Last Post: 11-03-2007, 07:51 AM
  5. Replies: 60
    Last Post: 10-11-2006, 09:22 AM

IslamicBoard

Experience a richer experience on our mobile app!