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kirk
04-07-2008, 03:24 AM
Does you're religion believe Moses parted the Red Sea?

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kirk
05-15-2008, 03:13 AM
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Eric H
05-15-2008, 04:48 AM
Greetings and peace be with you Kirk,
If God can create the universe and life from nothing; then he should have the power to part the Red Sea. I believe and trust this to be true.

In the spirit of praying for faith in God

Eric
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*charisma*
05-17-2008, 10:15 PM
Yes, through Allah's will, Moses (pbuh) was able to part the Red Sea.
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MustafaMc
05-18-2008, 01:40 AM
As Sister Charisma has stated, we Muslims believe that Moses parted the sea by Allah's Will and they crossed on dry ground:

Quran 20:77-78 We sent Our revelation to Musa, saying: "Set forth with my servants at night and strike a dry path for them through the sea without fear of being overtaken by Fir'on and without any fear while passing through the sea." Fir'on followed them with his armies but the waters completely overwhelmed them as it could overwhelm them.
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Ninth_Scribe
05-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by kirk
Does you're religion believe Moses parted the Red Sea?
I believe that a set of natural circumstances were interpreted as divine intervention because they took place to the advantage of those who prayed for the intervention. Now, that doesn't mean that it wasn't divine authority - and I'm not saying that it was purely coincidental, but Moses did see what was in the "mountain" and he knew how to correctly interpret those signs. Check these records out... they were hijacked and words were added to them (different interpretations), so I'm just going to give you these snippets:

And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

And he showed me a mountain range of fire which burnt day and night.

I came to a river of fire, which flowed like water, and emptied itself into the great sea westwards.

And I saw a burning fire which ran without resting, and paused not from its course day or night but ran regularly.

He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding.
Now, you and I know what kind of "mountain" has smoke pouring out of it with "fires that run like water" that pour into the sea. We know the word for it - we call it a volcano. And we know what kind of damage they can cause.

Could a volcanic eruption cause water to become foul and of the color of blood? Yes.

Could a volcanic eruption cause a tsunami? Yes.

Would a tsunami pull a sea back? Yes.

Would it then come crashing back? Yes.

Would it cause other plagues (firey hail and ash, etc)? You bet!

Does this mean it was not divine intervention? No.

Natural events are always divine intervention when their nature is "revealed" and, in the case of Moses, the nature was revealed and he used it to save his people. It doesn't make him clever... it just means he was "aware" and it's that awareness, that I call "divine province". For instance, when you come to a street that has a hundred signs and ads plastered all over it - but only one of them catches your attention... there's a reason for that. Most people don't bother figuring out what that reason might be... but there are some who do. It's an ancient language. I call it, guidance... the same of which brought me here to this very forum, out of the millions that were available to me.

The words: He divided the sea {snip} by his understanding.

Well, that's my best shot at the interpretation. :)

The Ninth Scribe
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Eric H
05-24-2008, 07:25 PM
Greetings and peace be with you Ninth_Scribe;
I believe that a set of natural circumstances were interpreted as divine intervention because they took place to the advantage of those who prayed for the intervention
Forgive me for saying this but it seems you are almost searching for an explanation that can be backed up by science. Maybe you need more proof before you fully commit to a faith, maybe the story of Moses might help you to trust in God, Islam, Christianity and Judaism share Moses as a prophet and law giver.

God put Moses into all kinds of predicaments that Moses could not solve, each time Moses had to call on God to sort out his problems.

Exodus 14,
15 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Why are you crying out to me? Tell the Israelites to move on. 16 Raise your staff and stretch out your hand over the sea to divide the water so that the Israelites can go through the sea on dry ground.
22 and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.
26 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea so that the waters may flow back over the Egyptians and their chariots and horsemen." 27 Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and at daybreak the sea went back to its place
29 But the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left. 30 That day the LORD saved Israel from the hands of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians lying dead on the shore. 31 And when the Israelites saw the great power the LORD displayed against the Egyptians, the people feared the LORD and put their trust in him and in Moses his servant.
Just suppose for a moment that this account is true and the Israelites walked through with a wall of water each side and they feared God and put their trust in him. However this trust in God did not last long and the Israelites continued to doubt God and they continuously put God to the test.

In the spirit of praying for faith in God

Eric
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Ninth_Scribe
05-24-2008, 08:11 PM
Not at all. To me, science just mimicks creation. I honestly don't see a difference between "Life and Death" and "On and Off" ~ they're the same architecture... and the exact same application. Besides, I wasn't quoting from science books. I was quoting from the ancient fragments - what are left of them.

Also, what Moses did is not entirely different from what I did. I have no power over America's ruler, any more than he had power over Pharoah, but I do oppose the war on Iraq, so I recited a very ancient prayer to bind the two nations together. So, let the arm stab the leg because it "thinks" it's different. In other words, whatever we destroy there will be destroyed here, even if it means me (petition signed, sealed and delivered)! It's old school, but it's all I've got.

What was hilarious was the reaction.... some had even accused me of sorcery, lol. But it's written in every holy book and, to be honest, nothing can happen without God's consent... so they can just bite me :statisfie

The Ninth Scribe
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ASeeker
10-08-2008, 01:11 PM
Moses did not part the Red Sea at all. Moses stretched out his hand over the sea "and THE LORD drove the sea back by a strong east wind all night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided". (Exodus 14:21)
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barney
10-09-2008, 01:24 AM
Nope, a few months after the exodus, if it happened, an Egyptian fleet, perhaps of only a few dozen ships sank in a storm. It was miracleized like the Tsunami that sank the Tsars Fleet in the Russian-Japanese war 103 years ago. A veritable sign of the creator of the earth smiting the Egyptians just as the God-emperor of japan smote the russians with his divine storm summoning powers.
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