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Huma*
04-23-2008, 07:11 AM
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A proposal to replace GMT is made at a conference titled “Makkah, the Centre of the Earth, Theory and Practice” attended by Muslim clerics and scientists.

Doha (AsiaNews/Agencies) – Muslim scientists and clerics have called for the adoption of Makkah time in lieu of GMT, arguing that the Saudi city is the true centre of the Earth. The call was issued at a conference held in the Gulf state of Qatar under the title: Makkah, the Centre of the Earth, Theory and Practice.

One geologist at the Qatar conference said Makkah’s longitude is perfectly aligned with magnetic north and should therefore replace the English city, which has been measuring time zones since 1884, when the United Kingdom was a major colonial power, something that ought to change.

Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawya cleric, said modern science had at last provided evidence that Makkah was the true centre of the Earth, proof, he said, of the greatness of the Muslim “qibla”—the Arabic word for the direction Muslims turn to when they pray.

Participants of the conference also reviewed the “Makkah Watch,” an invention by a French Muslim which reportedly rotates counter-clockwise and displays Makkah's direction from any point in the world.

The conference is part of a trend called “Ijaz al-Qur‘an” or “miraculous nature of the holy text,” which tries to find precedents for modern science from passages in the Qur‘an.
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04-23-2008, 08:00 AM
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It would be a bit erm difficult for everyone to adjust to that, no?
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 09:28 AM
Is this recent?
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aamirsaab
04-23-2008, 09:59 AM
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A source would be very beneficial right about now.
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Muslim Knight
04-23-2008, 10:13 AM
SOURCE

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352011,00.html
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IB-Staff
04-23-2008, 10:19 AM
Source
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Fishermans_eye
04-23-2008, 12:15 PM
Good luck convincing the western world!:D
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czgibson
04-23-2008, 12:37 PM
Greetings,

Have these "scholars" really got nothing better to do with their time?

Peace
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cute123
04-23-2008, 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,

Have these "scholars" really got nothing better to do with their time?

Peace
The one who does not know , only he can say this.
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S_87
04-23-2008, 01:00 PM
great

they dont say plesae people change your timings to our timings. no one is going to do that. they change their own timings first and recognise only that timing, so on a small scale atleast it will become recognised.
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Muezzin
04-23-2008, 02:43 PM
Hey, as long as Greenwich mean time doesn't change to, say, Chico Time, I don't think anybody has any cause to complain whatsoever. At all. Nope.

Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,

Have these "scholars" really got nothing better to do with their time?

Peace
Nice pun.
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04-23-2008, 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,

Have these "scholars" really got nothing better to do with their time?

Peace
:salamext:

Erm what time lol :D
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Huma*
04-23-2008, 03:12 PM
:salamext:

oh Im really sorry, I forgot to include the source n left hurriedly. Now Im here after 7 hrs :X
Thanks for completing it... I mean source :statisfie
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Ali.
04-23-2008, 03:27 PM
Not gonna' happen :/

Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,

Have these "scholars" really got nothing better to do with their time?

Peace
Haha.;D
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 06:52 PM
The article itself says very little or nothing as to why Mecca is the center of the Earth and why GMT should be replaced with Mecca time.
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Umar001
04-23-2008, 07:09 PM
Search youtube and bbc and I am pretty sure you'll find stuff, I was just reading about this topic, (and similar stuff) the other evening.
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Al Habeshi
Search youtube and bbc and I am pretty sure you'll find stuff, I was just reading about this topic, (and similar stuff) the other evening.
I've heard about this more than a year ago, I remember reading an interview with a scholar saying things about Mecca being aligned with certain magnetic fields, and something about radiation ... it can be found on youtube.
There's a web hoax about Neil armstrong proving Mecca is the centre of the Earth, does it have any connection with this event ... ?
I read the BBC article about the conference, it says nothing.

Can you provide a non-muslim soirce about this? BBC would be fine.
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Umar001
04-23-2008, 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
I've heard about this more than a year ago, I remember reading an interview with a scholar saying things about Mecca being aligned with certain magnetic fields, and something about radiation ... it can be found on youtube.
There's a web hoax about Neil armstrong proving Mecca is the centre of the Earth, does it have any connection with this event ... ?
I read the BBC article about the conference, it says nothing.
Yea, there's that type of stuff going around about the magnetic force too.

Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Can you provide a non-muslim soirce about this? BBC would be fine.
A source to show you what? That Muslim 'scholars' have had meetings saying this?
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:24 PM
No, a source explaining and proving their claims.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
04-23-2008, 07:26 PM
I thought Makkah was IN the center not THE center? unless they mean compared to GMT :X That'd be interesting tho :D
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- Qatada -
04-23-2008, 07:28 PM


http://moonsighting.com/images/qiblaglobes.gif
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:29 PM
Yes ... ??
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- Qatada -
04-23-2008, 07:30 PM
Yes :)
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Umar001
04-23-2008, 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
No, a source explaining and proving their claims.
I dont have the means really to provide sources on their claims. Sorry.
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:32 PM
lol
Seriously, what does the globe prove if it's even mant to prove anything..
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:33 PM
Do muslims belieev Mecca is the centre of the Erath or something like that?
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- Qatada -
04-23-2008, 07:34 PM
the map shows that Makkah and the Ka'bah are in the center of the world.
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FatimaAsSideqah
04-23-2008, 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Do muslims belieev Mecca is the centre of the Erath or something like that?
Greetings.

Yes. Brother -Qatada- just show the map to prove it.
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by - Qatada -
the map shows that Makkah and the Ka'bah are in the center of the world.
And how exactly does it do that, apart from being positioned in a way for Mecca to be in the centre?
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- Qatada -
04-23-2008, 07:46 PM
try placing the other nations in the center. do the research and see if you can find an answer.



Peace.
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by - Qatada -
try placing the other nations in the center. do the research and see if you can find an answer.

Peace.
what do nations have to do with any of this?
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- Qatada -
04-23-2008, 07:50 PM
i'll let u ponder over that.
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 07:54 PM
The article speaks of a bunch of people who claim Mecca is the geographical centre of the world, so I'd like to see the proof for that.
Mecca may be the centre of the world in some other way but that's not the issue right now.
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Dr.Trax
04-23-2008, 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
The article speaks of a bunch of people who claim Mecca is the geographical centre of the world, so I'd like to see the proof for that.
Mecca may be the centre of the world in some other way but that's not the issue right now.
Then what is the center of the world, for you?
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Dr.Trax
Then what is the center of the world, for you?
Dunno, Athens or Rome, both actually, for their historical and philosophical significance.
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Dr.Trax
04-23-2008, 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Dunno, Athens or Rome, both actually, for their historical and philosophical significance.
What a historical and Philosophical significance?
Why?HOW?
Did BBC said this?
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snakelegs
04-23-2008, 08:13 PM
then there would be KT and MT - kufr time and muslim time?
(of course, i am actually the centre of the universe.)
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Dr.Trax
What a historical and Philosophical significance?
Why?HOW?
Did BBC said this?
I'm sure you're familiar to some extent with the significance these two cities and the cultures and empires they represented pose for the western society as well for the rest of the world.
I could have included Jerusalem/Middle East as well.
No, BBC didn't say that, at least not to my knowledge.
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Ibn Al Aqwa
04-23-2008, 08:23 PM
Whoa, thats amaaaaaazing, look at it!

At first i didnt realy understand it, but that is literally the centre, the Globe in that position shows all the lands. You cant tilt the Earth in any other way to make all the lands show, accept that Makkah is in the centre!

Thats like, whoaaaaa!

Takbeer!

:w: :shade:
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Dr.Trax
04-23-2008, 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
I'm sure you're familiar to some extent with the significance these two cities and the cultures and empires they represented pose for the western society as well for the rest of the world.
I could have included Jerusalem/Middle East as well.
No, BBC didn't say that, at least not to my knowledge.
But we are here speaking of geographical point of view!
Now you speak of cultures and history!
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by -Ibn Al Aqwa-
Whoa, thats amaaaaaazing, look at it!

At first i didnt realy understand it, but that is literally the centre, the Globe in that position shows all the lands. You cant tilt the Earth in any other way to make all the lands show, accept that Makkah is in the centre!
Yes, you can.
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Whatsthepoint
04-23-2008, 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by Dr.Trax
But we are here speaking of geographical point of view!
Now you speak of cultures and history!
Sorry, I thought that was the question.
The Earth is sphere-like, it doesn't have a geographical centre. There's the poles though.
The centre of the Earth is somewhere in the inner core.
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Huma*
04-24-2008, 04:06 PM
:sl:

http://patriot.net/~abdali/ftp/qibla.pdf

This might be a helpful link.. specially from para 3.1.
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Whatsthepoint
04-24-2008, 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Humaira*
:sl:

http://patriot.net/~abdali/ftp/qibla.pdf

This might be a helpful link.. specially from para 3.1.
I can't find anything.
The entire thing is not about Mecca being the centre of the earth, it never says that, not even in 3.1.
What were you trying to say?
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czgibson
04-25-2008, 12:01 PM
Greetings,

The centre of the Earth is its core, isn't it?

All other speculation is nonsense. The surface of the Earth doesn't have a 'centre' pretty much by definition.

Peace
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Muezzin
04-25-2008, 06:03 PM
Professor Lidenbrock journeyed to the centre of the Earth.

There he found a thing called 'The Topic'.

Betcha glad I ain't Jules Verne, eh?
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Fishman
04-25-2008, 10:49 PM
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that diagram proves nothing but the fact that in America you have to face north to pray towards qibla rather than southeast as it seems from a mecator map.

At first i didnt realy understand it, but that is literally the centre, the Globe in that position shows all the lands. You cant tilt the Earth in any other way to make all the lands show, accept that Makkah is in the centre!
It is intentionally distorted so that all the land shows at the same time, and so that Makkah is in the centre. They needed to distort it so the diagram would work. Somebody just took it out of the proper context and pretended it was proof that Makkah is at the 'centre' of the world.
:w:
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