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'Abd-al Latif
04-26-2008, 10:21 PM
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What advice can you give to someone who has trouble sleeping?:cry:
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AnonymousPoster
04-26-2008, 10:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
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What advice can you give to someone who has trouble sleeping?:cry:
sleeping tablets, cut down on anything that contains caffeine, recite long surahs, you'll be alright, try to think about something else, it may be that you're awake longer because something is on your mind, divert your mind to something else if this is the case. Don't be sad.
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Umar001
04-26-2008, 10:34 PM
I wouldnt go on sleeping tablets so fast dang.

Just try identify what keeps you awake first and then tackle it.
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chacha_jalebi
04-26-2008, 10:43 PM
erm erm ermmm

set a alarm early in the mornin like 8/9 and wake up, then do your day to daay thins, and dont fall sleep, and then by the times its the evenin, you should be tireed, and you can tuck yourself in bed and have a good nights sleep and have a fun filled life :D :p
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.: Jannati :.
04-26-2008, 10:46 PM
try not to think too much, seriously, ur probs awake/cant sleep coz ur putting strain on ur brain, stess related, or coz ur minds occupied with stuff that are happening. might be hard not to think about the things ur thinking about but clear ur mind from thoughts that make you think a way u could maybe do that is thru engaging in dhikr,reciting Qur'aan etc

what better way to lessen the strain u have on ur mind than to result in the purification and nuitrients for ur soul. remember Allah

sleeping probs may also be health related, maybe go see ur docter as well.
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'Abd-al Latif
04-26-2008, 10:58 PM
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many times, like right now for example, i'm feeling tired and my eyes lids are feeling heavy and it happens so very often that i would lay down and my eyes are glued shut but i'm wide awake...i tried sleeping pills once, didn't really work until i took more then the amount recommended.

hhmm..
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.: Jannati :.
04-26-2008, 11:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
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many times, like right now for example, i'm feeling tired and my eyes lids are feeling heavy and it happens so very often that i would lay down and my eyes are glued shut but i'm wide awake...i tried sleeping pills once, didn't really work until i took more then the amount recommended.

hhmm..
sleeping pills are nonsense that can have long term detrimental side affects which wont be detectable now but later it'll hurt ya when u could have easily prevented taking them

another thing you can help ur self sleep by is going for ghusl/bath, it usually does tire u out. if u can't have a bath now go and perform wudu, relax ur body this way so u feel like sleeping

umm maybe getting off the comp is also a good idea, make good use of ur time
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Mikayeel
04-26-2008, 11:12 PM
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Noo sleeping pills! Try warm milk before you sleep, avoid having naps during day time.
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'Abd-al Latif
04-26-2008, 11:13 PM
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its been a long term problem. i've tried ghusl, wudhu, playing games (which actually keeps me awake for longer seeing as i get into it - not to mention i like strategic games - ), reading books, listening to talks, eating and drinking, contemplating, work...errmm i can't think of anything else at the mo.

nothing helps.......*sigh*
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.: Jannati :.
04-26-2008, 11:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
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its just a long term problem. i've tried ghusl, wudhu, playing games (which actually keeps me awake for longer seeing as i get into it - not to mention i like strategic games - ), reading books, listening to talks, staying up 24 hrs so i can sleep the following night, slept late and forced myself to get up early to sleep early the following night, eating an drinking, contemplating, work...errmm i can't think of anything else at the mo.

nothing helps..*sigh*
have u had any medical advice? maybe a good idea to go in for check up , coz it just aint normal. our bodies have been given to us as amanah from Allah, do itd our duty to take care of it. u've gotto keep trying nd get all the help u can get iA.
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.: Jannati :.
04-26-2008, 11:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LuvAlSunnah
have u had any medical advice? maybe a good idea to go in for check up , coz it just aint normal. our bodies have been given to us as amanah from Allah, do itd our duty to take care of it. u've gotto keep trying nd get all the help u can get iA.
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see i'm sleep deprived atm

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'Abd-al Latif
04-26-2008, 11:31 PM
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hmm....
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snakelegs
04-27-2008, 05:46 AM
i find it helpful to listen to lectures. in fact, sometimes it's so helpful that i never get to hear the lecture at all.
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Farhan1
04-27-2008, 06:14 AM
Asalmu Alaikum Brother,
For sleeping disorders my suggestion is take a cup of milk and when you lye down in your bed just watch your breathing in and out its a good practice for sleeping.May ALLAH help you out

Salaam
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.: Jannati :.
04-27-2008, 11:10 AM
yeh milk's good, with honey! :D can't sleep without it also not sure bout what u may feel, but hot chocolate makes me sleepy :-[ try that also
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Al-Zaara
04-27-2008, 11:33 AM
Maybe it is your worries/stress/thoughts that are bothering you? Don't think about anything before going to sleep, really relax.
It is not good to play video games or watch TV or surf the Net before going to sleep. Rather take 15-30 minutes time-out and just relax, clear your mind and then go to sleep. Avoid coffeine during the day, and rather eat yourself full at least 2 or more hrs before you go to sleep, 'cause it's not good to eat right before going to sleep. Drink a lot of water. Sometimes to take some fresh air before going to sleep helps. Keep it quite. The ideal room to sleep in is sligthly cool..


If nothing helps and you are sure about it, go see a doctor. Seriously, it might be something else, Allah knows best, but checking is never a bad move. Also it is not preferable to use sleeping pills without consulating a doctor first so, inshaAllah, do go see a doctor ASAP.

Selam aleykum.
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anonymous
04-27-2008, 02:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
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its been a long term problem. i've tried ghusl, wudhu, playing games (which actually keeps me awake for longer seeing as i get into it - not to mention i like strategic games - ), reading books, listening to talks, staying up 24 hrs so i can sleep the following night, slept late and forced myself to get up early to sleep early the following night, eating and drinking, contemplating, work...errmm i can't think of anything else at the mo.

nothing helps.......*sigh*
:wasalamex

hmmm.. it could be due to a deficiency of folic acid in the body [Found in fresh fruit, Green veggies, especially beet greens]

Also low levels of vitamin B12, which can happen as a result of stress/tension/ worry etc.

vitamin B12 can be found in yeast extract, soya milk, cereals n I think potatoe and chappati also.

I pray Allaah gives you health and eases all your affairs, Aameen.
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'Abd-al Latif
04-27-2008, 08:08 PM
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hmm....jazakAllah khair for the help.
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Wmin_ISoc
04-27-2008, 08:28 PM
bismillah...

There were all kind of solutions posted except Du`aa.

Khalid bin Waleed [radiallahu `anh] also had trouble sleeping and thus he went to the prophet [salallahu `alayhe wassallam ] who advised him to make the following du`aa:

Allahu rabbus samaawaatis sab’I wa maa adh-dhal-lat, wa rabbul ardaynin wa maa aqallat wa rabbush shayaateeni wa maa adallat kulli jaarun min sharri khalqika jamee’un ay yafrata alayya ahadun minhum aw yabghayiii alayya azza jaarukan wa jalla thanaa ooka wa laa ilaaha ghayruka* 1

O Allah you are the Lord of the Seven Heavens and what they shelter, and the two earths and the lives they support. Your power can surely control and restrain the devils who mislead the faithful. Lord, be you my Protector and neighbour. Shelter me from any evil that may spur from Your creation, so that none of them may assail me in my rest, or infringe upon my privacy. Indeed your neighbours are strong and safe in Your Protection. What You command is unassailable. Indeed you alone are God.
* I do not have a arabic keyboard and thus could not type up the du`aa in arabic. Apologies.
1]: Medicine of the Prophet [Chapter on Insomnia] by Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullah
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glo
04-27-2008, 08:29 PM
I have trouble sleeping quite frequently.
Today I was reading about the potential benefits of listening to 'white noise'.
Sounds like this: http://whitenoise.talior.cnchost.com/1-minute-fan.wav
For some people with insomnia, any sound at all during sleep—or rather, during those times when one is trying to get to sleep—drives them crazy. But for others, “white noise” is the cure. “White noise” ranges from the steady sound of a fan blowing to the soft hum of an air filter or even a computer that doesn’t get shut off at night. The noise can be used to mask or over-ride other noises that may be disturbing to sleep—outside traffic, sounds and voices from a street below—or it can be used to create a gentle, constant, soothing—some say hypnotic—ambiance of sound. But if you haven’t tried it, you won’t know which type of person you are.
Source: http://www.dreamdoctor.com/better/insomnia/3.shtml

My hubby copied 30 minutes worth onto a CD, and I will try it tonight! :D
(I'll let you know)

Free download here.

Peacezzzzz zzzz zzz
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anonymous
04-28-2008, 08:31 AM
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@ Wmin_ISoc; beautiful, barak Allaahu feeki!
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Snowflake
04-29-2008, 10:22 AM
asalam alaikum

One of the major causes of insomnia is eating too much before bedtime. Also could be due to constipation, dyspepsia, excessive caffiene, smoking, hunger and also the worry about falling asleep can keep you awake.

Supressed anger, bitterness can also cause insomnia; as can over excitement, worries, overwork all the result of mental tension.


Vitamin B is helpful in the treatment of insomnia as a body starved of this vitamin will be unable to relax and fall asleep naturally. As suggested already warm milk with honey is beneficial as it acts as a tranquiliser.

InshaAllah a good balanced diet, exercise and stress eliminating techniques will all help achieve a good nights sleep.

Finally, make wudhu, recite Surah Yasin or any other Surah before you sleep. You'll feel relaxed and also feel you have done something to please Allah which in turn will help your mind to relax and be free of worries, since it'll help increases your imaan too. Finish by reciting bedtime duaas as recommended by the prophet (PBUH). And inshaAllah you will find it becomes easier to sleep and probably harder to wake up. Lol, jk!

wa alaikum asalam.
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AnonymousPoster
04-29-2008, 10:47 AM
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It soundz like you've tried pretty much everything!.. And every1s been giving some god advie..Im tempted to try a few myself!.. Especially the du'a! I heard that sometimes it can help if u lie down concentrate on ur breathing, and tense and relax each of muscles groups...breathing in when tensing and out when relaxing.. You should start from neck/shoulders and work down to the toes, and to keep doing this untill you feel you body relax.. and inshaAllah fall asleep. Take care
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'Abd-al Latif
05-02-2008, 12:20 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Wmin_ISoc
bismillah...

There were all kind of solutions posted except Du`aa.

Khalid bin Waleed [radiallahu `anh] also had trouble sleeping and thus he went to the prophet [salallahu `alayhe wassallam ] who advised him to make the following du`aa:



* I do not have a arabic keyboard and thus could not type up the du`aa in arabic. Apologies.
1]: Medicine of the Prophet [Chapter on Insomnia] by Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullah
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To be honest this du'a is the only piece of advice thats worked.

SubhanAllah, when this was posted I read it and around 10 pm (or 11pm) that night I felt so sleepy I just couldn't keep my self awake. Even though I had two courseworks to give in the next morning and I wasn't finished. Yet that concern couldn't keep me awake!

JazakAllah khair for the du'a, and thank you to all for your advice and help.
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جوري
05-02-2008, 02:03 AM
I haven't read other people's responses so do forgive me if this is a repeat.
Do this exactly as I describe
wake up tomorrow at 4:00Am no matter what.. run one mile which should take you any where between 7-12 minutes depending on how fast/slow you are.. come back take a shower, make fajr prayer and then have breakfast.. carry out your daily duties.. then assign a time to sleep at night right after isha'a

stick with this routine even on the weekend and DON'T SWAY from it. Fact is keeping a routine will help you establish sleep habits without the need for meds..
if all else fails go for a sleep study.. there might be an anatomical or physiological problem plaguing you which I highly doubt..

:w:
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forever.muslima
05-02-2008, 10:17 AM
no to sleeping pills.

work hard during the day
read surah mulk before going to sleep, sleep on your right and read duaas while trying to sleep.
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iliketosmile99
05-04-2008, 12:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
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What advice can you give to someone who has trouble sleeping?:cry:
I like to listen to music before I go to sleep. I find it very relaxing and comforting. Some people like to sleep with noise in the background, so try leaving a radio on or a TV on a timer, something like that.
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Na7lah
05-04-2008, 12:40 AM
i find it hard to sleep sometimes like i'm on my bed for bout three to four hours before i fall assleep but i don't find that sleeping pills work at all
try reading quran or praying Tahajud at least u'll be doing something benaficial with that time inshallah
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Na7lah
05-04-2008, 12:40 AM
try to listen to Quran instead of Music sis iliketosmile
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'Abd-al Latif
05-04-2008, 12:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by iliketosmile99
I like to listen to music before I go to sleep. I find it very relaxing and comforting. Some people like to sleep with noise in the background, so try leaving a radio on or a TV on a timer, something like that.
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JazakAllah khair, it's appriceated but you should know that music is haram.

Allah says;

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…"

[Luqmaan 31:6]

Qur'an is the best thing to listen to. Its speech is truthful, its constant recitation brings about the remembrance of Allah and brings peace to ones heart. Whereas music is one of the tools of shaytan that he uses to lead you astray from the rememberance of Allah.


Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)?

And you laugh at it and weep not,

Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)"

[al-Najm 53:59-61]

‘Ikrimah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-sumood [verbal noun from saamidoon, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means "singing", in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lanaa” [‘sing for us’ – from the same root as saamidoon/sumood] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffaar] heard the Qur’aan, they would sing, then this aayah was revealed.
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truemuslim
05-04-2008, 12:45 AM
Do you mean you sleep alot or dont get enough sleep?
...or cant fall asleep...or cant wake up?
i cant ever fall asleep till like 3am ..i dunno why...but IN that time i recite quran, pray....and then chill and draw freestyle cartoonish things that look so tiight and some freestyle poem things....

Sleeping pills are messed up dont use em...
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iliketosmile99
05-04-2008, 04:32 PM
[QUOTE=IbnMuhammad;936518]:sl:

JazakAllah khair, it's appriceated but you should know that music is haram.

Allah says;

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…"

Wouldn't that depend on the type of music? There are many different genres with many different messages.
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'Abd-al Latif
05-04-2008, 04:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by iliketosmile99
Wouldn't that depend on the type of music? There are many different genres with many different messages.

No, all types of music are haram. Even if its only instruments.
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'Abd-al Latif
05-04-2008, 04:50 PM
these might help insha'Allah.

part - 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxfAGe6Y4N4

part - 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NXFXRJXbp0
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chacha_jalebi
05-04-2008, 06:47 PM
keep the thread on trak!!

all music is haraam:D
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anonymous
05-04-2008, 07:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
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What advice can you give to someone who has trouble sleeping?:cry:
awww, i usually sleep at like 2 3 am but thats probs sumat 2 do wit me fiddlin wit ma 4nes or mp3 player

speak 2 ya doc about it inshaAllah he'll be able 2 giv ya sumat 4 it .
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Tania
05-04-2008, 07:19 PM
Try don't sleep at all during the day and always work something. You will be so tired in the end of the day than you will sleep instantly.
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iliketosmile99
05-05-2008, 08:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
No, all types of music are haram. Even if its only instruments.
Can you give me a quote from the Qur'an that specifically says this?
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'Abd-al Latif
05-05-2008, 09:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by iliketosmile99
Can you give me a quote from the Qur'an that specifically says this?
Insha'Allah, I wanted to give you a complete answer and to remove all doubt that music as well as musical instruments are haram so I took this from islamqa.com[http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=5000&ln=eng]








Praise be to Allaah.

Ma’aazif is the plural of mi’zafah, and refers to musical instruments (Fath al-Baari, 10/55), instruments which are played (al-Majmoo’, 11/577). Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrated from al-Jawhari (may Allaah have mercy on him) that ma’aazif means singing. In his Sihaah it says that it means musical instruments. It was also said that it refers to the sound of the instruments. In al-Hawaashi by al-Dimyaati (may Allaah have mercy on him) it says: ma’aazif means drums (dufoof, sing. daff) and other instruments which are struck or beaten (Fath al-Baari, 10/55).

Evidence of prohibition in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:

Allaah says in Soorat Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning):

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…" [Luqmaan 31:6]

The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).

Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haraam speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytaan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafseer al-Sa’di, 6/150)

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The interpretation of the Sahaabah and Taabi’in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with saheeh isnaads from Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn Mas’ood. Abu’l-Sahbaa’ said: I asked Ibn Mas’ood about the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqmaan 31:6]. He said: By Allaah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a saheeh isnaad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that this means singing. There is no contradiction between the interpretation of “idle talk” as meaning singing and the interpretation of it as meaning stories of the Persians and their kings, and the kings of the Romans, and so on, such as al-Nadr ibn al-Haarith used to tell to the people of Makkah to distract them from the Qur’aan. Both of them are idle talk. Hence Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Idle talk” is falsehood and singing. Some of the Sahaabah said one and some said the other, and some said both. Singing is worse and more harmful than stories of kings, because it leads to zinaa and makes hypocrisy grow (in the heart); it is the trap of the Shaytaan, and it clouds the mind. The way in which it blocks people from the Qur’aan is worse than the way in which other kinds of false talk block them, because people are naturally inclined towards it and tend to want to listen to it. The aayaat condemn replacing the Qur’aan with idle talk in order to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah without knowledge and taking it as a joke, because when an aayah of the Qur’aan is recited to such a person, he turns his back as if he heard them not, as if there were deafness in his ear. If he hears anything of it, he makes fun of it. All of this happens only in the case of the people who are most stubbornly kaafirs and if some of it happens to singers and those who listen to them, they both have a share of this blame. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/258-259).

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…" [al-Israa’ 17:64]

It was narrated that Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: "And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice" – his voice [the voice of Iblees/Shaytaan] is singing and falsehood. Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This idaafah [possessive or genitive construction, i.e., your voice] serves to make the meaning specific, as with the phrases [translated as] “your cavalry” and “your infantry” [later in the same aayah]. Everyone who speaks in any way that is not obedient to Allaah, everyone who blows into a flute or other woodwind instrument, or who plays any haraam kind of drum, this is the voice of the Shaytaan. Everyone who walks to commit some act of disobedience towards Allaah is part of his [the Shaytaan’s] infantry, and anyone who rides to commit sin is part of his cavalry. This is the view of the Salaf, as Ibn ‘Abi Haatim narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas: his infantry is everyone who walks to disobey Allaah. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan).

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)?

And you laugh at it and weep not,

Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)"

[al-Najm 53:59-61]

Ikrimah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-sumood [verbal noun from saamidoon, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means “singing”, in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lanaa” [‘sing for us’ – from the same root as saamidoon/sumood] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffaar] heard the Qur’aan, they would sing, then this aayah was revealed.

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning) “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” – Sufyaan al-Thawri said, narrating from his father from Ibn ‘Abbaas: (this means) singing. This is Yemeni (dialect): ismad lana means ghan lana [sing to us]. This was also the view of ‘Ikrimah. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer).

It was reported from Abu Umaamah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Do not sell singing slave women, do not buy them and do not teach them. There is nothing good in this trade, and their price is haraam. Concerning such things as this the aayah was revealed (interpretation of the meaning): 'And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…' [Luqmaan 31:6]." (Hasan hadeeth)

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

"Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…" (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This is a saheeh hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, where he quoted it as evidence and stated that it is mu’allaq and majzoom. He said: Chapter on what was narrated concerning those who permit alcohol and call it by another name.

This hadeeth indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haraam. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haraam according to sharee’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haraam, i.e., zinaa and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haraam, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141)

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This hadeeth indicates that ma’aazif are haraam, and ma’aazif means musical instruments according to the scholars of (Arabic) language. This word includes all such instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 11/535).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: And concerning the same topic similar comments were narrated from Sahl ibn Sa’d al-Saa’idi, ‘Imraan ibn Husayn, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas, Abu Hurayrah, Abu Umaamah al-Baahili, ‘Aa’ishah Umm al-Mu’mineen, ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib, Anas ibn Maalik, ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Saabit and al-Ghaazi ibn Rabee’ah. Then he mentioned it in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, and it indicates that they (musical instruments) are haraam.

It was narrated that Naafi’ (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Ibn ‘Umar heard a woodwind instrument, and he put his fingers in his ears and kept away from that path. He said to me, O Naafi’, can you hear anything? I said, No. So he took his fingers away from his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he heard something like this, and he did the same thing. (Saheeh Abi Dawood). Some insignificant person said that this hadeeth does not prove that musical instruments are haraam, because if that were so, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would have instructed Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) to put his fingers in his ears as well, and Ibn ‘Umar would have instructed Naafi’ to do likewise! The response to this is: He was not listening to it, but he could hear it. There is a difference between listening and hearing. Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Concerning (music) which a person does not intend to listen to, there is no prohibition or blame, according to scholarly consensus. Hence blame or praise is connected to listening, not to hearing. The one who listens to the Qur’aan will be rewarded for it, whereas the one who hears it without intending or wanting to will not be rewarded for that, because actions are judged by intentions. The same applies to musical instruments which are forbidden: if a person hears them without intending to, that does not matter. (al-Majmoo’, 10/78).

Ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: the listener is the one who intends to hear, which was not the case with Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both); what happened in his case was hearing. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) needed to know when the sound stopped because he had moved away from that path and blocked his ears. So he did not want to go back to that path or unblock his ears until the noise had stopped, so when he allowed Ibn ‘Umar to continue hearing it, this was because of necessity. (al-Mughni, 10/173)

(Even though the hearing referred to in the comments of the two imaams is makrooh, it was permitted because of necessity, as we will see below in the comments of Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him). And Allaah knows best).

The views of the scholars (imaams) of Islam

Al-Qaasim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Singing is part of falsehood. Al-Hasan (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: if there is music involved in a dinner invitation (waleemah), do not accept the invitation (al-Jaami by al-Qayrawaani, p. 262-263).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The view of the four Imaams is that all kinds of musical instruments are haraam. It was reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari and elsewhere that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that there would be among his ummah those who would allow zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments, and he said that they would be transformed into monkeys and pigs… None of the followers of the imaams mentioned any dispute concerning the matter of music. (al-Majmoo’, 11/576).

Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The four madhhabs are agreed that all musical instruments are haraam. (al-Saheehah, 1/145).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The madhhab of Abu Haneefah is the strictest in this regard, and his comments are among the harshest. His companions clearly stated that it is haraam to listen to all musical instruments such as the flute and the drum, even tapping a stick. They stated that it is a sin which implies that a person is a faasiq (rebellious evil doer) whose testimony should be rejected. They went further than that and said that listening to music is fisq (rebellion, evildoing) and enjoying it is kufr (disbelief). This is their words. They narrated in support of that a hadeeth which could not be attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They said: he should try not to hear it if he passes by it or it is in his vicinity. Abu Yoosuf said, concerning a house from which could be heard the sound of musical instruments: Go in without their permission, because forbidding evil actions is obligatory, and if it were not allowed to enter without permission, people could not have fulfilled the obligatory duty (of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil). (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/425).

Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing the drum or flute, if a person happens to hear the sound and enjoy it whilst he is walking or sitting. He said: He should get up if he finds that he enjoys it, unless he is sitting down for a need or is unable to get up. If he is on the road, he should either go back or move on. (al-Jaami’ by al-Qayrawaani, 262). He (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The only people who do things like that, in our view, are faasiqs.” (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/55).

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Among the types of earnings which are haraam by scholarly consensus are ribaa, the fee of a prostitute, anything forbidden, bribes, payment for wailing over the dead and singing, payments to fortune-tellers and those who claim to know the unseen and astrologers, payments for playing flutes, and all kinds of gambling. (al-Kaafi).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, explaining the view of Imaam al-Shaafa'i: His companions who know his madhhab (point of view) stated that it is haraam and denounced those who said that he permitted it. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/425).

The author of Kifaayat al-Akhbaar, who was one of the Shaafa’is, counted musical instruments such as flutes and others, as being munkar (evil), and the one who is present (where they are being played) should denounce them. (He cannot be excused by the fact that there are bad scholars, because they are corrupting the sharee’ah, or evil faqeers – meaning the Sufis, because they call themselves fuqaraa’ or faqeers – because they are ignorant and follow anyone who makes noise; they are not guided by the light of knowledge; rather they are blown about by every wind. (Kifaayat al-Akhbaar, 2/128).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to the view of Imaam Ahmad, his son ‘Abd-Allaah said: I asked my father about singing. He said: Singing makes hypocrisy grow in the heart; I do not like it. Then he mentioned the words of Maalik: the evildoers (faasiqs) among us do that. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan).

Ibn Qudaamah, the researcher of the Hanbali madhhab – (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Musical instruments are of three types which are haraam. These are the strings and all kinds of flute, and the lute, drum and rabaab (stringed instrument) and so on. Whoever persists in listening to them, his testimony should be rejected. (al-Mughni, 10/173). And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him); If a person is invited to a gathering in which there is something objectionable, such as wine and musical instruments, and he is able to denounce it, then he should attend and speak out against it, because then he will be combining two obligatory duties. If he is not able to do that, then he should not attend. (al-Kaafi, 3/118)

Al-Tabari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The scholars of all regions are agreed that singing is makrooh and should be prevented. Although Ibraaheem ibn Sa’d and ‘Ubayd-Allaah al-‘Anbari differed from the majority, (it should be noted that) the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Adhere to the majority.” And whoever dies differing from the majority, dies as a jaahili. (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/56). In earlier generations, the word “makrooh” was used to mean haraam, then it took on the meaning of “disliked”. But this is to be understood as meaning that it is forbidden, because he [al-Tabari] said “it should be prevented”, and nothing is to be prevented except that which is haraam; and because in the two hadeeths quoted, music is denounced in the strongest terms. Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) is the one who narrated this report, then he said: Abu’l-Faraj and al-Qaffaal among our companions said: the testimony of the singer and the dancer is not to be accepted. I say: if it is proven that this matter is not permissible, then accepting payment for it is not permissible either.

Shaykh al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) said: What Ibraaheem ibn Sa’d and ‘Ubayd-Allaah al-‘Anbari said about singing is not like the kind of singing that is known nowadays, for they would never have allowed this kind of singing which is the utmost in immorality and obscenity. (al-I’laam)

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is not permissible to make musical instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 22/140). And he said: According to the majority of fuqahaa’, it is permissible to destroy musical instruments, such as the tanboor [a stringed instrument similar to a mandolin]. This is the view of Maalik and is the more famous of the two views narrated from Ahmad. (al-Majmoo’, 28/113). And he said: …Ibn al-Mundhir mentioned that the scholars were agreed that it is not permissible to pay people to sing and wail… the consensus of all the scholars whose views we have learned about is that wailing and singing are not allowed. Al-Shu’bi, al-Nakha’i and Maalik regarded that as makrooh [i.e., haraam]. Abu Thawr, al-Nu’maan – Abu Haneefah (may Allaah have mercy on him) – and Ya’qoob and Muhammad, two of the students of Abu Haneefah said: it is not permissible to pay anything for singing and wailing. This is our view. And he said: musical instruments are the wine of the soul, and what it does to the soul is worse than what intoxicating drinks do. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/417).

Ibn Abi Shaybah (may Allaah have mercy on him) reported that a man broke a mandolin belonging to another man, and the latter took his case to Shurayh. But Shurayh did not award him any compensation – i.e., he did not make the first man pay the cost of the mandolin, because it was haraam and had no value. (al-Musannaf, 5/395).

Al-Baghawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) stated in a fatwa that it is haraam to sell all kinds of musical instruments such as mandolins, flutes, etc. Then he said: If the images are erased and the musical instruments are altered, then it is permissible to sell their parts, whether they are silver, iron, wood or whatever. (Sharh al-Sunnah, 8/28)

An appropriate exception

The exception to the above is the daff – without any rings (i.e., a hand-drum which looks like a tambourine, but without any rattles) – when used by women on Eids and at weddings. This is indicated by saheeh reports. Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: But the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made allowances for certain types of musical instruments at weddings and the like, and he made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions. But the men at his time did not play the daff or clap with their hands. It was narrated in al-Saheeh that he said: “Clapping is for women and tasbeeh (saying Subhaan Allaah) is for men.” And he cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women. Because singing and playing the daff are things that women do, the Salaf used to call any man who did that a mukhannath (effeminate man), and they used to call male singers effeminate – and how many of them there are nowadays! It is well known that the Salaf said this.

In a similar vein is the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), when her father (may Allaah be pleased with him) entered upon her at the time of Eid, and there were two young girls with her who were singing the verses that the Ansaar had said on the day of Bu’aath – and any sensible person will know what people say about war. Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Musical instruments of the Shaytaan in the house of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!” The Messenger of Allaah had turned away from them and was facing the wall – hence some scholars said that Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) would not tell anybody off in front of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but he thought that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not paying attention to what was happening. And Allaah knows best. He (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) said: “Leave them alone, O Abu Bakr, for every nation has its Eid, and this is our Eid, the people of Islam.” This hadeeth shows that it was not the habit of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions to gather to listen to singing, hence Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq called it “the musical instruments of the Shaytaan”. And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of this appellation and did not deny it when he said, “Leave them alone, for every nation has its Eid and this is our Eid.” This indicates that the reason why this was permitted was because it was the time of Eid, and the prohibition remained in effect at times other than Eid, apart from the exceptions made for weddings in other ahaadeeth. Shaykh al-Albaani explained this in his valuable book Tahreem Aalaat al-Tarab (the Prohibition of Musical Instruments). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of young girls singing at Eid, as stated in the hadeeth: “So that the mushrikeen will know that in our religion there is room for relaxation.” There is no indication in the hadeeth about the two young girls that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was listening to them. The commands and prohibitions have to do with listening, not merely hearing, just as in the case of seeing, the rules have to do with intentionally looking and not what happens by accident. So it is clear that this is for women only. Imaam Abu ‘Ubayd (may Allaah have mercy on him) defined the daff as “that which is played by women.” (Ghareeb al-Hadeeth, 3/64).

An inappropriate exception

Some of them make an exception for drums at times of war, and consequentially some modern scholars have said that military music is allowed. But there is no basis for this at all, for a number of reasons, the first of which is that this is making an exception with no clear evidence, apart from mere opinion and thinking that it is good, and this is wrong. The second reason is that what the Muslims should do at times of war is to turn their hearts towards their Lord. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They ask you (O Muhammad) about the spoils of war. Say: ‘The spoils are for Allaah and the Messenger.’ So fear Allaah and adjust all matters of difference among you…” [al-Anfaal 8:1]. But using music is the opposite of this idea of taqwa and it would distract them from remembering their Lord. Thirdly, using music is one of the customs of the kuffaar, and it is not permitted to imitate them, especially with regard to something that Allaah has forbidden to us in general, such as music. (al-Saheehah, 1/145)

“No people go astray after having been guided except they developed arguments amongst themselves.” (Saheeh)

Some of them used the hadeeth about the Abyssinians playing in the mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as evidence that singing is allowed! Al-Bukhaari included this hadeeth in his Saheeh under the heading Baab al-Hiraab wa’l-Daraq Yawm al-‘Eid (Chapter on Spears and Shields on the Day of Eid). Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This indicates that it is permissible to play with weapons and the like in the mosque, and he applied that to other activities connected with jihaad. (Sharh Muslim). But as al-Haafiz ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: whoever speaks about something which is not his profession will come up with weird ideas such as these.

Some of them use as evidence the hadeeth about the singing of the two young girls, which we have discussed above, but we will quote what Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, because it is valuable:

I am amazed that you quote as evidence for allowing listening to sophisticated songs the report which we mentioned about how two young girls who were below the age of puberty sang to a young woman on the day of Eid some verses of Arab poetry about bravery in war and other noble characteristics. How can you compare this to that? What is strange is that this hadeeth is one of the strongest proofs against them. The greatest speaker of the truth [Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq] called them musical instruments of the Shaytaan, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of that appellation, but he made an exception in the case of these two young girls who had not yet reached the age of responsibility and the words of whose songs could not corrupt anyone who listened to them. Can this be used as evidence to allow what you do and what you know of listening (to music) which includes (bad) things which are not hidden?! Subhaan Allaah! How people can be led astray! (Madaarij al-Saalikeen, 1/493).

Ibn al-Jawzi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) was young at that time; nothing was transmitted from her after she reached the age of puberty except condemnation of singing. Her brother’s son, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, condemned singing and said that it was not allowed to listen to it, and he took his knowledge from her. (Talbees Iblees, 229). Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: A group of the Sufis used this hadeeth – the hadeeth about the two young girls – as evidence that singing is allowed and it is allowed to listen to it, whether it is accompanied by instruments or not. This view is sufficiently refuted by the clear statement of ‘Aa’ishah in the following hadeeth, where she says, “They were not singers.” She made it clear that they were not singers as such, although this may be understood from the wording of the report. So we should limit it to what was narrated in the text as regards the occasion and the manner, so as to reduce the risk of going against the principle, i.e., the hadeeth. And Allaah knows best. (Fath al-Baari, 2/442-443).

Some people even have the nerve to suggest that the Sahaabah and Taabi’een listened to singing, and that they saw nothing wrong with it!

Al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) said: We demand them to show us saheeh isnaads going back to these Sahaabah and Taabi’een, proving what they attribute to them. Then he said: Imaam Muslim mentioned in his introduction to his Saheeh that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Mubaarak said: The isnaad is part of religion. Were it not for the isnaad, whoever wanted to could say whatever he wanted to.

Some of them said that the ahaadeeth which forbid music are full of faults. No hadeeth was free of being criticized by some of the scholars. Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The ahaadeeth which were narrated concerning music being haraam are not full of faults as has been claimed. Some of them are in Saheeh al-Bukhaari which is the soundest of books after the Book of Allaah, and some of them are hasan and some are da’eef. But because they are so many, with different isnaads, they constitute definitive proof that singing and musical instruments are haraam.

All the imaams agreed on the soundness of the ahaadeeth which forbid singing and musical instruments, apart from Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, but al-Ghazzaali did not have knowledge of hadeeth; and Ibn Hazam, but al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) explained where Ibn Hazam went wrong, and Ibn Hazam himself said that if any of (these ahaadeeth) were saheeh, he would follow that. But now they have proof that these reports are saheeh because there are so many books by the scholars which state that these ahaadeeth are saheeh, but they turn their backs on that. They are far more extreme than Ibn Hazam and they are nothing like him, for they are not qualified and cannot be referred to.

Some of them said that the scholars forbade singing because it is mentioned alongside gatherings in which alcohol is drunk and where people stay up late at night for evil purposes.

Al-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The response to this is that mentioning these things in conjunction does not only mean that what is haraam is what is joined together in this manner. Otherwise this would mean that zinaa, as mentioned in the ahaadeeth, is not haraam unless it is accompanied by alcohol and the use of musical instruments. By the same token, an aayah such as the following (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, he used not to believe in Allaah, the Most Great,

And urged not on the feeding of Al‑Miskeen (the poor).”

[al-Haaqqah 69:33-34]

would imply that it is not haraam to disbelieve in Allaah unless that is accompanied by not encouraging the feeding of the poor. If it is said that the prohibition of such things one at a time is proven from other reports, the response to that is that the prohibition of musical instruments is also known from other evidence, as mentioned above. (Nayl al-Awtaar, 8/107).

Some of them said that “idle talk” does not refer to singing; the refutation of that has been mentioned above. Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This – the view that it means singing – is the best that has been said concerning this aayah, and Ibn Mas’ood swore three times by Allaah besides Whom there is no other god, that it does refer to singing. Then he mentioned other imaams who said the same thing. Then he mentioned other views concerning the matter. Then he said: The first view is the best of all that has been said on this matter, because of the marfoo’ hadeeth, and because of the view of the Sahaabah and the Taabi’een. (Tafseer al-Qurtubi).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him), after quoting this Tafseer, said: Al-Haakim Abu ‘Abd-Allaah said in the Tafseer of Kitaab al-Mustadrak: Let the one who is seeking this knowledge know that the Tafseer of a Sahaabi who witnessed the revelation is a hadeeth with isnaad according to the two Shaykhs (al-Bukhaari and Muslim). Elsewhere in his book, he said: In our view this hadeeth has the same strength as a marfoo’ report. Although their tafseer is still subject to further examination, it is still more readily acceptable than the tafseer of those who came after them, because they are the most knowledgeable among this ummah of what Allaah meant in his Book. It was revealed among them and they were the first people to be addressed by it. They heard the tafseer from the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in word and in deed. And they were Arabs who understood the true meanings of (Arabic) words, so Muslims should avoid resorting to any other interpretation as much as possible.

Some of them said that singing is a form of worship if the intention is for it to help one to obey Allaah!

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: How strange! What type of faith, light, insight, guidance and knowledge can be gained from listening to tuneful verses and music in which most of what is said is haraam and deserves the wrath and punishment of Allaah and His Messenger? … How can anyone who has the least amount of insight and faith in his heart draw near to Allaah and increase his faith by enjoying something which is hated by Him, and He detests the one who says it and the one who accepts it? (Madaarij al-Saalikeen, 1/485)

Shaykh al-Islam said, discussing the state of the person who has gotten used to listening to singing: Hence you find that those who have gotten used to it and for whom it is like food and drink will never have the desire to listen to the Qur’aan or feel joy when they hear it, and they never find in listening to its verses the same feeling that they find when listening to poetry. Indeed, if they hear the Qur’aan, they hear it with an inattentive heart and talk whilst it is being recited, but if they hear whistling and clapping of hands, they lower their voices and keep still, and pay attention. (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/557 ff)

Some say that music and musical instruments have the effect of softening people’s hearts and creating gentle feelings. This is not true, because it provokes physical desires and whims. If it really did what they say, it would have softened the hearts of the musicians and made their attitude and behaviour better, but most of them, as we know, are astray and behave badly.

Conclusion

Perhaps – for fair-minded and objective readers – this summary will make it clear that the view that music is permissible has no firm basis. There are no two views on this matter. So we must advise in the best manner, and then take it step by step and denounce music, if we are able to do so. We should not be deceived by the fame of a man in our own times in which the people who are truly committed to Islam have become strangers. The one who says that singing and musical instruments are permitted is simply supporting the whims of people nowadays, as if the masses were issuing fatwas and he is simply signing them! If a matter arises, they will look at the views of fuqahaa’ on this matter, then they will take the easiest view, as they claim. Then they will look for evidence, or just specious arguments which are worth no more than a lump of dead meat. How often have these people approved things in the name of sharee’ah which in fact have nothing to do with Islam!

Strive to learn your Islam from the Book of your Lord and the Sunnah of your Prophet. Do not say, So-and-so said, for you cannot learn the truth only from men. Learn the truth and then measure people against it. This should be enough for the one who controls his whims and submits himself to his Lord. May what we have written above heal the hearts of the believers and dispel the whispers in the hearts of those who are stricken with insinuating whispers. May it expose everyone who is deviating from the path of Revelation and taking the easiest options, thinking that he has come up with something which none of the earlier generations ever achieved, and speaking about Allaah without knowledge. They sought to avoid fisq (evildoing) and ended up committing bid’ah – may Allaah not bless them in it. It would have been better for them to follow the path of the believers.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless and grant peace to His Messenger who made clear the path of the believers, and to his companions and those who follow them in truth until the Day of Judgement.

Summary of a paper entitled al-Darb bi’l-Nawa li man abaaha al-Ma’aazif li’l-Hawa by Shaykh Sa’d al-Deen ibn Muhammad al-Kibbi.

For more information, please see:

Al-I’laam bi Naqd Kitaab al-Halaal wa’l-Haraam, by Shaykh al-‘Allaamah Saalih ibn Fawzaan al-Fawzaan

Al-Samaa’ by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn al-Qayyim

Tahreem Aalaat al-Tarab, by Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him)
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Tania
05-06-2008, 08:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi
keep the thread on trak!!

all music is haraam:D
You can't sleep if its noise in the room ( even music ). The room must be very quiet.
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iliketosmile99
05-06-2008, 08:06 PM
[QUOTE=IbnMuhammad;937306]Insha'Allah, I wanted to give you a complete answer and to remove all doubt that music as well as musical instruments are haram so I took this from islamqa.com[http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=5000&ln=eng][QUOTE]

Thank you for taking the time to send that to me. I appreciate that you cared enough:). However, I am confused about something: The people listed who were all explaining the quote from the Qur'an and interpreting it, were not prophets, I do believe. I have no doubt that they were well-respected scholars, but they may not know the true Word of God, because, frankly, they are simply people, like you and me. Wouldn't you rather decide for yourself what you think is correct than listen to other people? I almost think that's healthier- it exercises the brain that God gave you and therefore brings you closer to God.

But thank you once again :D
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'Abd-al Latif
05-07-2008, 12:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by iliketosmile99
Thank you for taking the time to send that to me. I appreciate that you cared enough:). However, I am confused about something: The people listed who were all explaining the quote from the Qur'an and interpreting it, were not prophets, I do believe. I have no doubt that they were well-respected scholars, but they may not know the true Word of God, because, frankly, they are simply people, like you and me. Wouldn't you rather decide for yourself what you think is correct than listen to other people? I almost think that's healthier- it exercises the brain that God gave you and therefore brings you closer to God.

But thank you once again :D
Not a problem. But some things are not so blank and white and the lay person is in a dire need for a scholar to teach and give rulings. Take for example smoking a cigarette. It doesn't say in the qur'an in specifical words that cigarettes are haram nor does it say in any hadeeth that smoking a cigarette is haram in these words, right? So does that make them halal?

No, but rather things like these require the scholars to derive a ruling, and the ruling is that smoking will harm you and as the Prophet (saws) said "There should be no harming or reciprocating harm." so this makes smoking haram.

So in this case (i.e. music) you should look at what the scholars have interperted this as and if their words are closest to the book of Allah. Once you establish this as your basis then one should have no question in his mind that whats haram is haram. Remember, its easy to shop for rulings until you find what suites you but a sincere person accepts what is correct even if it's against their own selves. So you should be the person who applies the verse in qur'an "We hear and we obey".

The ones who have the most knowledge are the scholars, so we should learn from their knowledge and take what will benefit us.
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iliketosmile99
05-07-2008, 09:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnMuhammad
Not a problem. But some things are not so blank and white and the lay person is in a dire need for a scholar to teach and give rulings. Take for example smoking a cigarette. It doesn't say in the qur'an in specifical words that cigarettes are haram nor does it say in any hadeeth that smoking a cigarette is haram in these words, right? So does that make them halal?

No, but rather things like these require the scholars to derive a ruling, and the ruling is that smoking will harm you and as the Prophet (saws) said "There should be no harming or reciprocating harm." so this makes smoking haram.

So in this case (i.e. music) you should look at what the scholars have interperted this as and if their words are closest to the book of Allah. Once you establish this as your basis then one should have no question in his mind that whats haram is haram. Remember, its easy to shop for rulings until you find what suites you but a sincere person accepts what is correct even if it's against their own selves. So you should be the person who applies the verse in qur'an "We hear and we obey".

The ones who have the most knowledge are the scholars, so we should learn from their knowledge and take what will benefit us.
While I agree that scholors are a valuable guide, I still have not been convinced that a person is unable to, based on what is in the Qur'an, decide what is haram and what is not for themselves. And if people really are that relient on others for information instead of using their own reasoning to interpret the Qur'an and apply it to modern life, then society is going to hell.
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'Abd-al Latif
05-10-2008, 08:51 AM
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'Abd-al Latif
05-10-2008, 09:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by iliketosmile99
While I agree that scholors are a valuable guide, I still have not been convinced that a person is unable to, based on what is in the Qur'an, decide what is haram and what is not for themselves. And if people really are that relient on others for information instead of using their own reasoning to interpret the Qur'an and apply it to modern life, then society is going to hell.
Human beings tend to make mistakes, specially the lay person. The scholars of Islam, although will still make mistakes but they are few compared to the lay man, have studied extensively about this religion and their knowledge no doubt would be of benefit to all of us. If one was to use their own instinct to learn the entire religion then that may not be as easy as it sounds. You may then have to learn the arabic language on your own, and study the virtues of the surahs and ahadeeth, understand their meanings and implications, the reason for the revelation etc which would take a veeerrrrryyyy long time.

Allah has put scholars here for a reason, so the logical thing to do is to learn from them.:)

And if people really are that relient on others for information instead of using their own reasoning to interpret the Qur'an and apply it to modern life, then society is going to hell.
Exctally. And thats why we need to learn from those who are learned.
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