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IbnAbdulHakim
05-28-2008, 09:35 AM
Ibn al-Jawzi narrated that Ibn ‘Aa’ishah said: I said to a doctor who was highly proficient: What is love? He said: The occupation of an empty heart. [Dhamm al-Hawa 290].
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05-28-2008, 09:37 AM
:salamext:

SubhaanAllaah... Do you have like a tafseer for the hadith akhee?
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-28-2008, 09:41 AM
its not a hadith, its a statement of the khalaf.

it just intrigued me a bit so i thought i'd share it and unfortunately it doesnt come with an explenation.


Assalamu Alaikum
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Ibn Abi Ahmed
05-28-2008, 12:40 PM
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Jazakallah Khayr bro, awesome quote.

Whenever I come across narrations that condemn love, then what I've learned is that it helps to know which word in arabic is being used, i.e. which type of love is being condemned..because English is very limited. All they have is the word: "love" and it's supposed to encompass all the different types. Whereas in Arabic there are more than 20 different words for love (probably more). Here's a sample list:

[حب] ‘Hub’ is love
[عشق] ‘ishq’ is love that entwines two people together
[شغف] ‘shaghaf’ is love that nests in the chambers of the heart
[هيام] ‘hayam’ is love that wanders the earth
[تيه] ‘teeh’ is love in which you lose yourself
[ولع] ‘walah’ is love that carries sorrow with it
[صبابة] ‘sababah’ is love that exudes from your pores
[هوى] ‘hawa’ is love that shares its name with ‘air’ and ‘falling’
[غرم] ‘gharam’ is love that is willing to pay the price
'Al 3laaqah' - The Attachment. The first time you see someone and you become attached to them.
'Mawaddah' - is love; desire
'Mayl'- is inclination
'Uboodiyah' (Worhsip). All Prophets of Allah are at this level.
'Khula' (Khaleel) Only Prophet Muhammad and Ibraheem reached this level to love of Allah
'Tatayyuma'. Tatayyum means worship and it is said: tayyama Allaah i.e. he worshipped Allaah.

Pretty amazing isn't it? What an awesome language! :D
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05-28-2008, 12:42 PM
:salamext:

That's why arabic is poetic I guess...subhaanAllaah... :D
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05-28-2008, 12:45 PM
:salamext:

Link where that hadith is being used in answer to : Is my marriage decreed? Do obedience and sin alter the divine decree?
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-28-2008, 12:49 PM
lol very interesting bro !


i think the narration is speaking of love before marriage wallahu a'lam :)
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cute123
05-28-2008, 01:18 PM
jazaikhair sis, for the link .its very beneficial. at times i think such answers should be posted on the notice boards of every department in every college , in every home so that we remain guided.
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Ibn Abi Ahmed
05-28-2008, 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
lol very interesting bro !


i think the narration is speaking of love before marriage wallahu a'lam :)
Hmm I understood it a bit differently. From what I understood, it was criticizing the love that is at the level of Ishq (before or after marriage), meaning one that goes beyond the boundaries set by Allaah. I say this because Ibn Jawzi in the same book says: “If you haven’t loved passionately or known the meaning of desire then get up and eat hay for you are nothing but a donkey.” & also “You and the hard rock are equal.”

Allaahu Alam. Have to look at the notes of Fiqh of Love again :p
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Ninth_Scribe
05-28-2008, 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by Abu Sayyad
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[حب] ‘Hub’ is love
[عشق] ‘ishq’ is love that entwines two people together
[شغف] ‘shaghaf’ is love that nests in the chambers of the heart
[هيام] ‘hayam’ is love that wanders the earth
[تيه] ‘teeh’ is love in which you lose yourself
[ولع] ‘walah’ is love that carries sorrow with it
[صبابة] ‘sababah’ is love that exudes from your pores
[هوى] ‘hawa’ is love that shares its name with ‘air’ and ‘falling’
[غرم] ‘gharam’ is love that is willing to pay the price
'Al 3laaqah' - The Attachment. The first time you see someone and you become attached to them.
'Mawaddah' - is love; desire
'Mayl'- is inclination
'Uboodiyah' (Worhsip). All Prophets of Allah are at this level.
'Khula' (Khaleel) Only Prophet Muhammad and Ibraheem reached this level to love of Allah
'Tatayyuma'. Tatayyum means worship and it is said: tayyama Allaah i.e. he worshipped Allaah.

Pretty amazing isn't it? What an awesome language! :D
Wow! That really is amazing! I don't seem to have the mortal blessings. My beloveds have always died, which is why I wrote the sig banner you see below. Translated, it reads: Love is as strong as Death. Remember me.

The Ninth Scribe
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TrueStranger
05-29-2008, 05:43 AM
I think the best a person can do is love a person for the Sake of Allah and leave a person for the Sake of Allah.

Allah knows best.
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05-29-2008, 08:58 AM
Originally Posted by Abu Sayyad
Hmm I understood it a bit differently. From what I understood, it was criticizing the love that is at the level of Ishq (before or after marriage), meaning one that goes beyond the boundaries set by Allaah. I say this because Ibn Jawzi in the same book says: “If you haven’t loved passionately or known the meaning of desire then get up and eat hay for you are nothing but a donkey.” & also “You and the hard rock are equal.”

Allaahu Alam. Have to look at the notes of Fiqh of Love again :p
:salamext:

Can u explain this please.
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-29-2008, 11:37 AM
^ i think it means every human being loves, wallahu a'lam

Assalamu Alaikum
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Ibn Abi Ahmed
05-29-2008, 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by - Serene -
:salamext:

Can u explain this please.
:wasalamex

Love as said before is of many types, but scholars (as far as I know) usually refer to it in two categories: Hubb & Ishq. Ibn Qayyim differentiated between Hubb and Ishq. He said Hubb was pure and noble love whilst Ishq was a forbidden, transgressing type of love, basically when people lose their senses and intellect, ie when someone would go to forbidden measures to be with the one they love. He says:
“When we speak of rulings of love, we must describe two things. One is optional and one is not. The optional love is what leads to love (eyesight, association, etc.) and this is the love that you have to beware of (for it may lead to unlawful acts.) The non optional love, if it happens by the sudden look, or natural passions that develop, you cannot be blamed for it, but it’s how you react to it that Allah will hold you to accountable for.”
Ibn Jawzi in Dhaamul Hawaa' criticizes ishq. He made a difference between the two types of love. He said that there are those who have kindness in their hearts, and then there are those who don't love at all, which is what the quotes in my last post were referring to. Walaahu 'Alam.

For more details just listen to this:
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...age-islam.html

Or read this:
http://www.islamicboard.com/miscella...fiqh-love.html

:w:
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05-29-2008, 12:42 PM
:salamext:

^ Ohhhh now I understand. Jazaak Allaah Khayr for the explanation!
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Layla454
05-29-2008, 02:18 PM
Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting two bodies - Aristotle
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-29-2008, 02:19 PM
^ very mushy n sweet but Allahs given one soul for each body.




still sweet tho



Assalamu Alaikum
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05-29-2008, 02:22 PM
:salamext:

Nah that quote is illogicaL.
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-29-2008, 02:25 PM
^ yeh but people got empty hearts occupied by love so they'll tell you to take your logic and.... :| (censored for the youngers)



Assalamu Alaikum
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Layla454
05-29-2008, 02:26 PM
You guys take everything literally. Its metaphorical
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-29-2008, 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by Layla454
You guys take everything literally. Its metaphorical
yeh thats why i called it sweet lol


i kno its metaphorical and i get it, two souls actin as tho its one.


but i just wanted to clarify the reality of one soul per body for the ones who might think otherwise :)



sorry for any offence



Assalamu Alaikum
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05-29-2008, 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Layla454
You guys take everything literally. Its metaphorical
:salamext:

Sorry Miss. Philosophy. :-\
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Layla454
05-29-2008, 02:31 PM
lol, just clearing that up :D
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Tania
05-29-2008, 02:40 PM
The heart has its reasons, which reason does not know. - Blaise Pascal :giggling:
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05-29-2008, 02:47 PM
:salamext:

Please try and keep this thread Islamic. We don't want silly love quotes from Non Muslims.
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-29-2008, 02:50 PM
although one must admit they are quite funny



but the more i reflect on the islamic ones quoted and then the non-islamic ones.. the more i realise the truth of the islamic ones and the false hopes shed by the non-islamic ones.

I could give an essay on it but i wont :) im sure the experienced will know what i mean



Assalamu Alaikum
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Tania
05-29-2008, 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by - Serene -
:salamext:

Please try and keep this thread Islamic. We don't want silly love quotes from Non Muslims.
I didn't know Aristotel was muslim :-[
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05-29-2008, 03:27 PM
:salamext:

He isn't. :-\
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-29-2008, 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Tania
I didn't know Aristotel was muslim :-[
she included aristotle as part of the non-muslim quotes lol


how comes your always embarassed :confused:


peace
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Tania
05-29-2008, 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
she included aristotle as part of the non-muslim quotes lol

peace
I knew he isn't. But she told about quotes only after my post. She could wrote that after the Aristotel quote and i would not give another one on the topic.
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IbnAbdulHakim
05-29-2008, 03:30 PM
^ true
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05-29-2008, 03:31 PM
:salamext:

SWIFTLY MOVING ON....
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Re.TiReD
07-09-2008, 11:10 PM
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:bump:

:w:
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