Bad comment on blog re: marriage of Hazrat Aisha

[Silver]

Some girl on her blog, claimed that all muslims are pedophiles. I have removed the link from this post, because it will only make her blog more popular. Instead of commenting on the blog, let us refute her claims here on an honest islamic site. :) Basically the girl claimed that muslims were pedophiles because prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married Aisha when she was only a little girl. The rest is nonsense...I read the comments and none of them really refuted her claims. How would you respond?

[AhlaamBella]

OMG! GGGRRR I'm so angry I don't know where to start with her! I know heaps of things to knock back at her but organising them is going to be difficult!

[Silver]

Same thing here...but i don't have the time to comment because i have a Molecular biology test tomorrow and i have to study. I am hoping that one of u guys here could comment.

[Ali.]

One easy way to respond: Ignore.

It's the internet; plenty of idiots.

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[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

:sl:

Please check your Reps.

[truemuslim]

One easy way to respond: Ignore.

It's the internet; plenty of idiots.

Exactly

all they want is attention.
The more they see muslims getting mad, the happier they get and more bad stuff they say.

[------]

:salamext:

Just edit the first link out, and just ignore them. We know the truth about our religion and we don't need to be taught it by some next people.

[crayon]

Doesn't the blog owner have to approve comments before they appear? If so, I doubt anything refuting her claims will make its way there..

[AhlaamBella]

I agree you should ignore to a certain extent but shouldn't we encourage the good and forbid the evil?

[truemuslim]

somebody names "Faith" on that had a post, and it got deleted... i think thats what happens to the people who refute...

and look how ignorant those people are! one guy said he's crossing out islam from his list of searching for religion quest. thats so ignorant, coz someone posts lies on the internet and they go believe? What the hell!

Anyway just ignore them...

[Silver]

I don't think we should ignore them, we should defend our religion. Did the 1st muslims ignore those who attcked islam? No, they fought...

[AhlaamBella]

and look how ignorant those people are! one guy said he's crossing out islam from his list of searching for religion quest. thats so ignorant, coz someone posts lies on the internet and they go believe? What the hell!

Anyway just ignore them...

I can't ignore it. A person has said they are "crossing out islam from his list of searching for religion quest". We have a duty to set them straight and defedn Islam.

[Silver]

Or if we don't wanna comment on the blog we can refute such claims here on this thread.

[Cabdullahi]

Let them have the first laugh INSHALLAH WE WILL HAVE THE LAST! AMIN

[truemuslim]

But when we fight back, they get bigger, when we lay back, they get ticked off coz we didn't care about how they makin there lies, when we fight back they know that they have officially ticked us off, and they can delete our posts there anyway.

and ameeeen to bro ahmedjunior!
Inshallah we laugh in the end!!

[AhlaamBella]

But when we fight back, they get bigger, when we lay back, they get ticked off coz we didn't care about how they makin there lies, when we fight back they know that they have officially ticked us off, and they can delete our posts there anyway.

and ameeeen to bro ahmedjunior!
Inshallah we laugh in the end!!

Her intention wasn't to annoy us. she wanted to get her opinion out. we need to stop that

[Silver]

I have removed the link, let us refute her claims here. I have to go study now so I won't be posting anything but I hope that u will...

[- Qatada -]

asalaam alaikum


A quick, short and sweet response:

For generations after generations through out human history people have been marrying at the age of 9 and 10. By 16 they were old enough to lead an entire battalion! For thousands and thousands of years human beings did not regard early marriages to be hazardous. If early pregnancies were hazardous, surely the human civilisation across the planet and through out the history should have noticed a pattern. Something like that cannot be missed out or ignored for thousands upon thousands of years so easily.

On the other hand contemporary medicine is known to have changed its stance on various issues several times. In the 70s the mothers in England were being told NOT to breastfeed. And now, women who do not breastfeed are looked down on.

[- Qatada -]

A 9-year old Thai girl gave birth:


The news item is from the New Straits Times, 10/3/2001.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/thai_girl.htm

[- Qatada -]

Asalaamu alaikum.


In Detail:

i heard theres a hadith in abi dawud where Aisha herself mentions that a marriage wasn't consummated by arabs until only after a females menses - her menses signifying her adulthood.


How is it possible that someone can have children and be a child? Their logic is confusing and they themselves throughout the different countries in the US, UK and Europe can't agree on a common age for adulthood. Try doing a little bit of research on this, but they differ - ranging from 13 till 18 - So does this mean that having sex in the Netherlands at 15 is peadophilia in the UK? Will anyone who follows the law of one nation be counted as a peadophile in another? Who's truly right?


The answers simple in Islam - if you're able to fulfill the duties of marriage, and are capable of it - then you can get married. However, if it will be harmful [and no-one can bring one shred of evidence that Aa'isha got harmed by her marriage, rather she benefited herself and billions of others in Islam (being in the top 5 narrators of ahadith), aswell as advancing in medicine studies] - which shows that she was perfectly normal and said nothing but good about the Prophet. Whereas a person abused would not praise their abuser willingly.



If someone said that a 9yr old isn't capable of having children or sex;

I would quote the following fatwa from Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azîz ibn Ahmad Ad-Durayhim:

As for the possible negative consequences of a man of such a mature age marrying such a young girl, it is patently obvious. The discrepancies in their capabilities, both physically and mentally, could bring about serious differences between the two of them that could lead to the failure of the marriage. This is something that has been seen and is well understood.

Therefore, I would not recommend such a marriage nor would I encourage it.

Moreover, with respect to what we have said about the legal validity of such a marriage, that refers to the validity of the contract itself. As for the effects of the marriage - such as privacy, intimacy and sexual relations - that is another matter entirely. Such things are permitted only if the girl is able to handle such a relationship without any harm whatsoever coming to. Otherwise, it is prohibited. This is because the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "There shall be no harm nor the causing of harm."

It can also be seen in the very conduct of the Prophet (peace be upon him). He did not consummate his marriage with 'A’ishah for a number of years on account of her young age.

And from the fatwâ committee supervised by Shaykh 'Abdul-Wahhâb At-Turayrî we note:

The lawfulness of consummating a marriage at such an age is contingent on the maturity of the girl and that no harm would come to her.

So if any harm would come from it, then it is unlawful i.e. harâm.


Q: So why didn't Islam prohibit such practices that are harmful?

Actually, it did. It would be impossible for Islam to have an explicit prohibition on every dangerous behavior from jumping off a scyscraper to smoking, so Islam has provided a single broad injunction to cover all instances of harm:

The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said,

لا ضرر ولا ضر

"There is to be no harming, nor reciprocating of harm." (Musnad Ahmad, authenticated by Al-Albânî)

And Allah knows best.

[crayon]

I replied, but I'm pretty sure she'll see as much sense as would a brick wall. She just seems to be that kind of hater.

Sighhh, this has put me in a crap mood.:( So much ignorance, so much hate.

[Ali.]

I replied, but I'm pretty sure she'll see as much sense as would a brick wall. She just seems to be that kind of hater.

Sighhh, this has put me in a crap mood.:( So much ignorance, so much hate.

I'd say get used to it (not being harsh). There's going to be more where that came from. You can try and talk to the blogger if you like, but I doubt you'll talk any sense into her; people who post such things without much proof are arrogant and are hard to get through to, and it's even harder over the internet.

[asadxyz]

I don't think we should ignore them, we should defend our religion. Did the 1st muslims ignore those who attcked islam? No, they fought...

My dear sister ! :sl:
As far as alligations are concerned you can blame anyone for any reason.
Such alligations are usually from those who are advocating homosexuality and gay marriages and abortions.On this forum many people have spoken in favor of pornography and porn culture.
For psychiatric personalities ,sometimes it is essential to ignore them because they do such thing just to get attention.
Best of luck

[IbnAbdulHakim]

how about a mod adjusts the title to something like:


refuting the claim "muslims are pedophiles?"


seriously..

[Mikayeel]

salam, ignoring is nt the way! They should b thought in a good way about islam and if they then choose 2 mock about then dey r loosers

[arabianprincess]

NOPEEEEEEEEE ignorin wont take us no where... well anythin they claim which its not ture.. we should prove em wrong... not to show off but to show em the truthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh n yeah i always wondered how to answer it .. but then i heard dr zakir naik answer it.so now i know.. n ido always go back n watch his videos to learn how to respond to some Q,s which ppl do ask.. . salamz

[AvarAllahNoor]

People are ignorant. Pay no attention, she'll bore when nobody addresses her.

[Malaikah]

When you think about there are hundred if not thousands of websites like that out there. We can't practically go to each one and refute them.

The best thing for you to do is find a good website that has all these refutations listed already and just paste a link or something in the comments section... other than that, don't waste your time too much.

[truemuslim]

if its online ignore

if its in real life
whoop dem asses
cmon people!
Why u gna waste yo time wit this?!

I mean, like Malaikah said, there's millions of websites against islam...try googling "Islam sucks" and see what you'll get! (i havent try it, and i wont...coz i kno the results) Can we really refute all those???NO

[جوري]

here is the age of consent in the united states in 1885 with a website stating it was 7 in state of Delaware plus according to Jewish Law a girl maybe married at, website also included.. enjoy and pass it along to those who have a wide gapping mouth!

Waslaam



What is the minimum age of marriage according to Jewish law?
by Rabbi Naftali Silberberg

Our Sages state1 that "it is forbidden for one to marry off his daughter until she is an adult and says 'this is the one I want to marry.'"

It is forbidden for one to marry off his daughter until she is an adult and says 'this is the one I want to marry'!
In ancient (and not so ancient) times however, marriage was often-times celebrated at a rather young age. Although we do not follow this dictum, technically speaking, a girl may be betrothed the moment she is born, and married at the age of three.2 A boy may betroth and marry at the age of thirteen.3

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Footnotes

1. Talmud Kiddushin 41a.
2. Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1.
3. Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 43:1.


What is the minimum age of marriage according to Jewish law? | AskMoses.com - Judaism, Ask a Rabbi - Live


this one is from bringhamton.edu
of most states set the age of consent at the age of ten or twelve, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven. Women reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least sixteen,

website

Campaign to Raise the Legal Age of Consent, 1885-1914, Lesson Plan

['Abd-al Latif]

Young Ayesha - Mothers of the Believers (11.4MB)

By Anwar Awlaki

[جوري]

BTW I posted a link in Arabic, where the sheikh states frequenting such websites only puts otherwise neglected links to the top of the line.. he used the example where someone goes into a book shop that curses Islam and the prophet, tells everyone hey please look at this miserable book cursing Islam and the prophet and then handing a copy to everyone he knows thereby popularizing it and giving more leverage for morons to print more crap.. if that doesn't make sense, neither does frequenting such websites..

:w:

['Abd-al Latif]

The Slander of 'Aishah (RA)

by Abu Ammaar Yasir al-Qadhi

This is the story of the slander/lie (Ifk) of the Mother of Believer's 'Aishah (RA) and her exoneration through revelation.

This incident from the Seerah of the Prophet (saws) provided this ummah with the most pertinent of advices. And till today it's example remains as a point of reflection and purification from a disease which is prevalent in our communities today.

Click on the links below to hear the audio files:


Part 1 - The Slander of 'Aishah (RA): Lessons and Morals - Part 1| Save
Part 2 - The Slander of 'Aishah (RA): Lessons and Morals - Part 2| Save
Part 3 - The Slander of 'Aishah (RA): Lessons and Morals - Part 3| Save
Part 4 - The Slander of 'Aishah (RA): Lessons and Morals - Part 4| Save

[Woodrow]

I don't think we should ignore them, we should defend our religion. Did the 1st muslims ignore those who attcked islam? No, they fought...

True

I agree we should fight back, it only makes sense to fight back with the best means available.

The best way to fight anti Islamic sites is to prevent them from having any creditability. the best way to do that is by reduce the popularity of such by doing your best to keep their hit statistics from rising.

Every post, be it positive or negative raises a sites hit statistics. The fastest way to destroy a site is by ignoring it. reduction of hits is a greater and more effective weapon then going to a site for any reason.

[crayon]

She deleted her post.:)

[truemuslim]

She deleted her post.:)

Who?

[Silver]

Who?

The blog girl...she deleted her post about islam. :)

[crayon]

The blog owner. I just checked, and it was gone.

[Ali.]

She deleted her post.:)

What? Really? You got through to her?

[Silver]

The blog owner. I just checked, and it was gone.

Me too... Hooray!! :)

[truemuslim]

Oh ok

Thats awesome
Jazakallah khair :)

[crayon]

No idea why she did it, but it's gone now alhamdullilah.

[truemuslim]

Lol
Imagine if she joins LI then converts...:)

[Silver]

Imagine if she joins LI then converts...

\

hehe, yeah...but God can guide whoever He wants.

[Sabbir_1]

the same people who this, are same people who think it's o.k to marry men with other men,women with women, who think it's ok to have 1 wife and have multiple partners.

These people are sick and not worthy argueing with. Like other posters have save ignore them pricks, they jus want attention for their blogs, websites.

[truemuslim]

^ yeh bro

seriously we could say that all christians are gay and rapists then.

['Abd-al Latif]

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Here is the talk on mp3 format below

Ayeshas Marraige

[VizierX]

Some girl on her blog, claimed that all muslims are pedophiles. I have removed the link from this post, because it will only make her blog more popular. Instead of commenting on the blog, let us refute her claims here on an honest islamic site. :) Basically the girl claimed that muslims were pedophiles because prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married Aisha when she was only a little girl. The rest is nonsense...I read the comments and none of them really refuted her claims. How would you respond?

We know we aren't pedophiles. Isn't that enough? Anybody who thinks its reasonable to make such idiotic generalisations about such a vast body of people is simply a moron.

[islamirama]

Some girl on her blog, claimed that all muslims are pedophiles. I have removed the link from this post, because it will only make her blog more popular. Instead of commenting on the blog, let us refute her claims here on an honest islamic site. :) Basically the girl claimed that muslims were pedophiles because prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married Aisha when she was only a little girl. The rest is nonsense...I read the comments and none of them really refuted her claims. How would you respond?

Somebody should've left a comment on the demented girl's blog stating how ignorant she is of history and of islam and of her own culture and religion. Someone should've point out to her how marrying a 9yr old was common back then among all religions and races, and a 9yr old in those days is more developed and mature then she is right now. Also, someone should've pointed out to her about how pedophilia christians still are. How the churches all over the world has been feeling up little girls' skirts and boy's shorts and hiding it rather then stopping it. How you hear story of men in christian countries, among christians lock their own daughters in the basement and rape her and father 7 kids from her or how they kiddie porn, molestation, and fantasies are so popular in the west.

[jd7]

"a 9yr old in those days is more developed and mature then she is right now"

Anyone have any evidence of this?

[islamirama]

"a 9yr old in those days is more developed and mature then she is right now"

Anyone have any evidence of this?

do a little research in western history alone, look into topics such as

marriage age
life expectancy
maturity and development

or rather yet, go ask your grandparents.

[jd7]

Islamirama, everyone I talk to seems to be of the opinion that girls develop at a much earlier age now days. There even seems to be a debate in some circles as to the effects of growth hormones fed to animals resulting in an accelerated growth rate in girls and boys.

This leaves me asking again:

"a 9yr old in those days is more developed and mature then she is right now"

Anyone have any evidence of this?

“do a little research in western history alone”

Surely you aren’t asking me for help in providing proof for something I consider to be unprovable?

JD7

[islamirama]

Islamirama, everyone I talk to seems to be of the opinion that girls develop at a much earlier age now days. There even seems to be a debate in some circles as to the effects of growth hormones fed to animals resulting in an accelerated growth rate in girls and boys.

This leaves me asking again:

"a 9yr old in those days is more developed and mature then she is right now"

Anyone have any evidence of this?

“do a little research in western history alone”

Surely you aren’t asking me for help in providing proof for something I consider to be unprovable?

JD7

The early puberty you are seeing today is not normal biological development, what you are seeing is the results of your people living on chemical trash that you call food. Look at the bigger picture, girls (and boys) are hitting puberty at early as 8 are in the western "developed" nations.

The natural biological development of girls in the older days was not limited to a chemically fed nation but rather a world wide thing. Whether the arabs were marrying young girls or the crusaders in middle ages or what not.

You main beef is that prophet (pbuh) was married to a 9yr old girl. And your ignorance won't let you get pass the historical facts of the society back then, and not just that society. Aisha r.a. (the prophet's wife) was engaged to somebody else at that time. The pagan arabs hated the Prophet (pbuh) and went to great lengths to attack him by all means, but even they didn't saying thing about this marriage. Why? because it was the norm at that time.

I don't need to provide any proofs to you, some people are just loud mouth and just like to talk. So why don't you go do some research for a change. And if you are that lazy then go ask your grandparents, if they are still alive. Ask them how old were they when they got married, ask them how old was their parents when they got married? ask them how old there grandparents were when they got married. That alone should be sufficient to open that little mind of yours to the reality.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^:thumbs_up

The early puberty you are seeing today is not normal biological development, what you are seeing is the results of your people living on chemical trash that you call food. Look at the bigger picture, girls (and boys) are hitting puberty at early as 8 are in the western "developed" nations.

^Exactly. They add hormones in things such as milk! That's how u get unbalanced hormones :X

[islamirama]

Islamirama, everyone I talk to seems to be of the opinion that girls develop at a much earlier age now days. There even seems to be a debate in some circles as to the effects of growth hormones fed to animals resulting in an accelerated growth rate in girls and boys.

This leaves me asking again:

"a 9yr old in those days is more developed and mature then she is right now"

Anyone have any evidence of this?

“do a little research in western history alone”

Surely you aren’t asking me for help in providing proof for something I consider to be unprovable?

JD7

- pedophile- An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children

Christians are the real pedophiles. The whole church is full of them not just today but something that's been going on for centuries!
Then you have christian men who likes to lock up their own daughters in the basements to rape and father 7 childrens thru them. You have christians who jump online to lure teen girls to have sex with them. You have christian men talking about how younger a girl they can get to knock off. You have christians molest little girls everyday. The courts are full of their cases as well as the social services. So how about you go fix your pedophilic society before you start supporting bigots who post such crap about others onlinle. Also there is a difference between MARRIAGE and pedophlic christians who molest little girls and boys.

As for early age MARRIAGE is concerned. This is something not only Muslims but christians and rest of the world did. Even then Muslims were better than the christians and jews, jews own talmud allows them to have sex with a 3yr old. How pathetic is that? and how ignorantly pathetic are the bigoted fools who attack Islam with accusations that their own history and present is full of.

Here's a little reading for you with some "proofs" you were looking for on early age marriage.
http://www.muhaddith.org/earlymarriage/Index.html

[jd7]

Islamirama, I don’t want to argue with you, that is not my intent. But what you are posting makes no sense. First you say girls developed at an earlier age back in the day, when you are asked for proof, you then state that the girls develop at an earlier age now days due to the counter-points I had already stated.

I am not trying to make anyone look foolish; however your own posts are making you look foolish. Perhaps you have a valid argument, but the way you are presenting it makes you look foolish.

Please don’t be offended but, when you present your arguments in the manner that you have it might make a person think:

“Islamirama presented a foolish argument therefore he can be taken in by any foolish idea and perhaps his belief in Islam is an example of that”.

JD7

[jd7]

Islamirama, I hope my replies aren’t coming across as ugly and insulting as yours are:

Islamirama “You main beef is that prophet (pbuh) was married to a 9yr old girl. And your ignorance won't let you get pass the historical facts of the society back then, and not just that society. Aisha r.a. (the prophet's wife) was engaged to somebody else at that time. The pagan arabs hated the Prophet (pbuh) and went to great lengths to attack him by all means, but even they didn't saying thing about this marriage. Why? because it was the norm at that time.

I don't need to provide any proofs to you, some people are just loud mouth and just like to talk. So why don't you go do some research for a change. And if you are that lazy then go ask your grandparents, if they are still alive. Ask them how old were they when they got married, ask them how old was their parents when they got married? ask them how old there grandparents were when they got married. That alone should be sufficient to open that little mind of yours to the reality.”

[islamirama]

Islamirama, I don’t want to argue with you, that is not my intent. But what you are posting makes no sense. First you say girls developed at an earlier age back in the day, when you are asked for proof, you then state that the girls develop at an earlier age now days due to the counter-points I had already stated.

I am not trying to make anyone look foolish; however your own posts are making you look foolish. Perhaps you have a valid argument, but the way you are presenting it makes you look foolish.

Please don’t be offended but, when you present your arguments in the manner that you have it might make a person think:

“Islamirama presented a foolish argument therefore he can be taken in by any foolish idea and perhaps his belief in Islam is an example of that”.

JD7

Perhaps you should look at it with a more open mind. My point still stands and your counter point stands as well but has no bearing on my point.

I stated that girls matured and hit puberty at a much earlier age in the old days and you countered that with the statement that girls are doing that today. But you failed to understand the reasoning behind the two which i explained to you.

The girls reached maturity and early development in the old days due to number of reasons, among which some include culture/society, weather/environment, and low life expectancy.

The girls who hit puberty at early age today are a direct result of the chemically contaminated food you feed your people. This early puberty is not world wide but rather limited to your western nations who eat chemically altered food. And this early puberty has come about in the recent decades, not something that was common in 50yrs ago.

So before you throw the foolish card at me, you sure it's not you who needs the card? Like i said, go ask your grandparents about early development and early age marriage. What are you afraid of?

Islamirama, I hope my replies aren’t coming across as ugly and insulting as yours are:

Islamirama “You main beef is that prophet (pbuh) was married to a 9yr old girl. And your ignorance won't let you get pass the historical facts of the society back then, and not just that society. Aisha r.a. (the prophet's wife) was engaged to somebody else at that time. The pagan arabs hated the Prophet (pbuh) and went to great lengths to attack him by all means, but even they didn't saying thing about this marriage. Why? because it was the norm at that time.

I don't need to provide any proofs to you, some people are just loud mouth and just like to talk. So why don't you go do some research for a change. And if you are that lazy then go ask your grandparents, if they are still alive. Ask them how old were they when they got married, ask them how old was their parents when they got married? ask them how old there grandparents were when they got married. That alone should be sufficient to open that little mind of yours to the reality.”

Yea that wasn't necessary, i tried deleting it but it didn't do it so i just left it.

[jd7]

Islamirama “Christians are the real pedophiles. The whole church is full of them”……Good grief

[Malaikah]

Just like to point out that Aisha was not a child when they got married... she had reach puberty.

[Muezzin]

This thread was originally about a girl's blog in which she claimed all Muslims are paedophiles, citing the marriage of the Prophet (SAW) to Aisha (RA).

Eventually, the girl removed that entry from her blog.

Despite this, the thread continued, with members discussing the above marriage. There are already numerous threads about that topic. Therefore, I am closing this thread.