Any fast food eatery displaying the sign halal,may not be halal!

[sangeeta]

I have just found out, that though many fast food eateries that display the halal word on their premises, giving the clear indication that their meats used are halal, may not actually be using the correct chains of supply.
I normally always ask before I place an order if the meat is halal even if the sign says so.I did this on my recent visit to a local place in oldfield circus, greenford, and believed that I was buying in confidence,I made an issue stating I wanted an alternative soft drink to coca cola,( as many of my friends have warned me of the findings relating to the ingredients).
I was refused at first but after my brief explanation, the owner obliged and offered me an alternative.I was happy and believed that at least I have shared something of some use.

A few days later my sister was mistaken for me, and was told that they had called up the head office of coca cola and that though they will not publish thier ingredients pork extract was not used.My sister explained it had nothing to do with her and can not comment.The owner said if I thought the meat was hahal it cant be, as the slaughter houses in the uk are all owned by the jews and the meat is not halal.
The final comment,he said if your sister is so strict why doesn't she cover her head?
To which my sister though quite astounded replied maybe because she is not a muslim?This confused him even more...........
The point I am making is if I am told the food is halal,that is usually enough for me to have the confidence in what I choose to eat.I f the owner honestly believes the meat is not, why is he allowed to display the halal sign to attract custom from mor discerning customers, and the covering of the head?
We wont even go there!!!!!!!!!!!! but I wonder if a muslim girl that doesnt cover her head would have found this remark a little offensive?
I have called the halal board and they have stated his comments are not true,there is a body that governs the way halal meat is certified under strict regulations.However to warn you, a premise that displays the halal wording may not be using the full certified chain of halal suppliers.
This is very wrong as now I realise that I can be misled and there is no law to prevent a premise from stating the word halal........when in fact it may not be.

[Eeman]

salams
i knowwwwww... why do people make life so difficult for us...
i always have the same problem too... even if i see a halal sign i still ask and they give me these looks once i went to this turkish kebab shop and all the people there are supposed to be muslim but Subhan'Allah i asked the guy if the meat was halal and he started laughig in my face and said yes he pointed at te saveloy sausages and said that its ok these are halal too God wont mind Astaghifirullah, i just looked at him retardedly and walked out, now everytime i walk past their shop they look and talk about me and start laughing!:cry::cry::cry:
mean people!

i mean if it is not halal its not halal how hard is that!!!! just say so why commit extra sin as muslims?????

wa salam

[qassy!]

grhhhhhhhhh this annoys me....if something says is HALAL its most likely to be HALAL.
BUT If any case its NOT HALAL its not your fault isit ?

and coke cola is halal!

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[ayan333]

:sl:

subhanALLAH...ive become the as they call me "halal police"...its getting ridiculous...seriously

im not even talking about meat..here in the u.s most Muslims who do watch what they eat when it comes to halal and haram dont even eat meat,there is no halal meat served in resturants and local shops...so we look at little things such as snacks..alot of chips that we eat on a daily bases are haram

gum
chips
bakery items
candies
listen goes on and on

its so hard to eat without having to call the company,and you better call during the week because they're not open during the weekend when we usually eat out...

they make everything so difficult...you have to call numerous times just to get a staright answer..i called one time and they told me it was halal and told my friend it was haram...SubhanALLAH they're messing with our heads

you wont imagine how many different names they have for 'pork'...all these fancy names,SubhanALLAH

we usually overlook the enzymes,in which usually contain pork ingrediants

jus a reminder

:w:

[sangeeta]

grhhhhhhhhh this annoys me....if something says is HALAL its most likely to be HALAL.
BUT If any case its NOT HALAL its not your fault isit ?

and coke cola is halal!

I have doubts about coke cola,there are numerous reports on the internet,and even knowing that the company is being accused of using extracts from pork in their drink for years,they havn't cleared the matter.I know some mosques in london will not permit the drink on their premises.Pepsi cola is fine so far.I now try to buy cola if it has suitable for vegetarians on it.
But in all fairness there are so many items out there to decieve us.I wont be surprised if a time comes that many will only eat or drink anything strictly home made.

[sangeeta]

It is good of you to be particular,there should be some kind of policing here in the uk.I mean honestly,hand on your heart,the practice is wrong.either it is halal or not,at least I have a right to make an informed choice of what I choose to eat and drink.The muslims that are trading and quite frankly misleading us to part with our money for their own gains is wrong.They should be honest and there is a huge enough market here that will still buy from them.
If I opened an eatery that displayed the word KOSHER, and I did not have a certificate,yet I sold the food to some naive members of the jewish community,on further investigation of my wrong doing I am sure I would be condemned and there would be an outcry,possibly a legal issue.
I sincerely hope there will be some kind of lobbyng to forbid anyone stating halal in the window if it is totally misleading.

[sangeeta]

I think its disgusting,to mock some one who is trying to make an informed choice.I just believe you should not be permitted to display the word halal in the window if the food is not.Can u even imagine what would happen to a business if it displayed the word KOSHER, and it wasnt.
I believe there should be a regulation to stop fast food places and the like to stop displaying the word halal for the pure motive of financial gain if it is not.They are clearly trying to sell under false pretences to people who would never buy from them if it was not halal.

salams
i knowwwwww... why do people make life so difficult for us...
i always have the same problem too... even if i see a halal sign i still ask and they give me these looks once i went to this turkish kebab shop and all the people there are supposed to be muslim but Subhan'Allah i asked the guy if the meat was halal and he started laughig in my face and said yes he pointed at te saveloy sausages and said that its ok these are halal too God wont mind Astaghifirullah, i just looked at him retardedly and walked out, now everytime i walk past their shop they look and talk about me and start laughing!:cry::cry::cry:
mean people!

i mean if it is not halal its not halal how hard is that!!!! just say so why commit extra sin as muslims?????

wa salam

[sangeeta]

Wa Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

Allah Taala will be judged on them, not to us. Remember that?

I know,but many may agree that when you discover that you are being misled to consume foods by people that really should know better,ther is a level of discomfort that is caused.
I just believe that a business should not be allowed to display the word halal if it is not.There is a loophole that they are using,as trading standards cant do anything about it,even though its misleading.They are tring to make a financial gain by misleading muslims,or any one who would only eat halal.
I wonder what would be the case if one displayed the word KOSHER and it wasnt,now ther is a thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[north_malaysian]

In Malaysia, shops which claim to sell halal food must display Halal certificate given by the religious authority (in Malaysia it's JAKIM)... it must be renewed on yearly basis...which means every year the JAKIM officers would inspect the premises.

The consumers can obtain halal status via surfing JAKIM website or SMS..

I think other countries should do the same too...

[sangeeta]

Thats good.Its quite sad that we have to see the certificate to have buyers confidence.These businesses are making a joke out of people for financial gain.I had spoken to the Halal board in the uk, and they stated that unfortunately there are eateries that display the word halal, dont have a certificate and it is not illegal!!!!!!!!!!!I must add that I am confident it will be,once enough people make a collective noise about it here.

[qassy!]

What I dont understand, when something is advertised as Halal, its most likely to be Halal. If its not Halal, is falsely advertised its not our fault. McDonald's southall, do Halal chicken, now they provide coke with there meals. Do you think Halal Food Authority would allow that?

[sangeeta]

What I dont understand, when something is advertised as Halal, its most likely to be Halal. If its not Halal, is falsely advertised its not our fault. McDonald's southall, do Halal chicken, now they provide coke with there meals. Do you think Halal Food Authority would allow that?

very good point.But Mcdonalds never claim that all their foods are halal, they are just stating that the chicken is halal so at least customers that were never able to eat anything before apart from fillet of fish,can now choose to eat chicken.As regards the cola drink,they can sell what they want,if its cola suitable for vegetarians should be ok.There are so many cola drinks that are!!!!!!!!!!If you check on the net,just look up coca cola with pork extract, and see how many articles come up.
I am worried about cross contamination,so personally I wouldnt want to buy halal chicken from them because I am sure things are mixed up when fried stored etc.I mean alot of simple fries are cooked in lard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FatimaAsSideqah]

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

HMC (Halal Monitoring Committee) aims to regulate and at every point inspect Halal products from the sources to the consumer. This is done by means of thorough inspections, continuous checks, labelling and sealing of these consumables, which are to be continuously monitored by HMC trained inspectors and monitors, thus overcoming the many doubtful issues arising with regards to our daily diet by providing the public the reassurance of genuine Halal products, not just “because it says Halal….it must be Halal.’’ By implementing an authenticated system, the Muslim public can have full confidence and assurance in their choice of buying HMC certified products leaving no doubts in their minds.

[sangeeta]

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

HMC (Halal Monitoring Committee) aims to regulate and at every point inspect Halal products from the sources to the consumer. This is done by means of thorough inspections, continuous checks, labelling and sealing of these consumables, which are to be continuously monitored by HMC trained inspectors and monitors, thus overcoming the many doubtful issues arising with regards to our daily diet by providing the public the reassurance of genuine Halal products, not just “because it says Halal….it must be Halal.’’ By implementing an authenticated system, the Muslim public can have full confidence and assurance in their choice of buying HMC certified products leaving no doubts in their minds.

Totally accepted,but why are some fast food places allowed to display the halal sign in the window and not have a certificate?Believe me I will always ask to see the certificate now.But it is a disgrace to have to go to these lengths at the till before I place an order,just to make sure.I called the HMC and they told me that there are places with the word halal and they do not have the certification and there is no way to police this practice at the moment in this country.

[aminahjaan]

If it says halal, I'm eating it hands down... just say Bismillah because you're eating it with intentions that it is...It's hard enough to find halal food...dangg. Plus I'd believe it if it's assured by big companies like Mcdonalds or Burger king.
And there's a halal mcdonalds in southall? Wow I'm going to london ASAP.

[north_malaysian]

If it says halal, I'm eating it hands down... just say Bismillah because you're eating it with intentions that it is...It's hard enough to find halal food...dangg. Plus I'd believe it if it's assured by big companies like Mcdonalds or Burger king.
And there's a halal mcdonalds in southall? Wow I'm going to london ASAP.

Eh... I thought that there are Halal McDs in the USA too...:blind:

[BlackMamba]

Idk there mite be one in Chicago or deerborn Michigan but nowhere next to me. Not many halal restaurants of any type where I live

[north_malaysian]

Idk there mite be one in Chicago or deerborn Michigan but nowhere next to me. Not many halal restaurants of any type where I live

I heard that there is a halal McD in LA.

[sangeeta]

If it says halal, I'm eating it hands down... just say Bismillah because you're eating it with intentions that it is...It's hard enough to find halal food...dangg. Plus I'd believe it if it's assured by big companies like Mcdonalds or Burger king.
And there's a halal mcdonalds in southall? Wow I'm going to london ASAP.

The issue is not entirely religious,It is safer to eat halal meat for health,so many of my friends choose to buy their meat from outlets that claim to be Halal,purely for the health benefits.the way things are, with the level of corrupt practices resulting in many businesses looking into financial gains through false advertising,seriously I think I may just consider becoming a vegetarian!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a duty for me to just make aware to others that people may not be getting what they think.The rest is upto the individual.I have looked onto the HMC board and the findings have been an eye opener.

[aadil77]

This should sort out the stupid Coke issue
even all hmc restaurents sell coke

http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/c...getarians.html

[aadil77]

If it says halal, I'm eating it hands down... just say Bismillah because you're eating it with intentions that it is...It's hard enough to find halal food...dangg. Plus I'd believe it if it's assured by big companies like Mcdonalds or Burger king.
And there's a halal mcdonalds in southall? Wow I'm going to london ASAP.

^no its not halal, a company called hmc published an article quoating how mcd would never sell 'blessed' meat ,

why go to london, are you stupid? go to pakistan or any uae country lol, they have enough halal mcd's

[aminahjaan]

^no its not halal, a company called hmc published an article quoating how mcd would never sell 'blessed' meat ,

why go to london, are you stupid? go to pakistan or any uae country lol, they have enough halal mcd's

lol dang calm down I'm not insulting your mom. Haha I just said it out of exaggeration a common figure of speech. Nothin literal jeeeeeeeeeez don't get all butthurt on me!

[manaal]

In Malaysia, shops which claim to sell halal food must display Halal certificate given by the religious authority (in Malaysia it's JAKIM)... it must be renewed on yearly basis...which means every year the JAKIM officers would inspect the premises.

The consumers can obtain halal status via surfing JAKIM website or SMS..

I think other countries should do the same too...

Same in Sri Lanka. We dont eat at any restaurant unless a halal certificate is displayed. If it's not, we ask for one. If there isnt one, we walk away, simple as that. The non Muslims living there know about "this halal thing" we Muslims have and try to pass on anything as halal. Its easy to print the words on the label, so we always look for the proper certification. The halal board even publish a list what they have certified.

[BlackMamba]

Aadil77 wats any UAE country? LOL there's one country called united Arab emirates (UAE) there aren't multiple UAEs

[qassy!]

If it says halal, I'm eating it hands down... just say Bismillah because you're eating it with intentions that it is...It's hard enough to find halal food...dangg. Plus I'd believe it if it's assured by big companies like Mcdonalds or Burger king.
And there's a halal mcdonalds in southall? Wow I'm going to london ASAP.

im with you there sister. If a shop, has a sign up saying Halal, Im eating from there.......as far as I am concerned Coke cola is halal. I remeber these people lie so much, about Ribena and Lucozade. Its like they have nohting better to do in there lives.

[Fishman]

I have doubts about coke cola,there are numerous reports on the internet,and even knowing that the company is being accused of using extracts from pork in their drink for years,they havn't cleared the matter.I know some mosques in london will not permit the drink on their premises.Pepsi cola is fine so far.I now try to buy cola if it has suitable for vegetarians on it.
But in all fairness there are so many items out there to decieve us.I wont be surprised if a time comes that many will only eat or drink anything strictly home made.

:sl:
Jews drink Coke, even though their laws are stricted than the Halal food laws. Jewish organisations are also better-funded and better-organised than Muslim ones as well, so they probably haven't just got it wrong.

As for reports on the internet, the internet is worthless and wastes everybody's time. It is the least reputable journal in the world, any old liar can go and make something up and put it online.
:w:
:w:

[Güven]

salams
i knowwwwww... why do people make life so difficult for us...
i always have the same problem too... even if i see a halal sign i still ask and they give me these looks once i went to this turkish kebab shop and all the people there are supposed to be muslim but Subhan'Allah i asked the guy if the meat was halal and he started laughig in my face and said yes he pointed at te saveloy sausages and said that its ok these are halal too God wont mind Astaghifirullah, i just looked at him retardedly and walked out, now everytime i walk past their shop they look and talk about me and start laughing!:cry::cry::cry:
mean people!

i mean if it is not halal its not halal how hard is that!!!! just say so why commit extra sin as muslims?????

wa salam

:sl:

SubhanAllah Thats Soo Disgusting ,
How Low Can those people go , I wouldve Burned That Place :raging:
La Hawla Walla Quwata İlla Billah

[north_malaysian]

Same in Sri Lanka. We dont eat at any restaurant unless a halal certificate is displayed. If it's not, we ask for one. If there isnt one, we walk away, simple as that. The non Muslims living there know about "this halal thing" we Muslims have and try to pass on anything as halal. Its easy to print the words on the label, so we always look for the proper certification. The halal board even publish a list what they have certified.

Wow.... Sri Lanka is cool...

In Malaysia, if I'm not mistaken...those halaal certificates have barcodes..that you can check it via SMS....it would tell you about current halaal status, the name of the restaurant and the address of it.

[Ansariyah]

use ur intuition, if u have doubt dont eat their food. Even if they say "halal halal".

I once went to a so called halal restaurant with my mom. I asked if it was Halal although the sign said Halal at the door...The guy there began smiling devilishly and said suddenly, "ALHAMDULILAH, INSHAALALAH INSHALLAH..LA BAYKALLAH...yes HALAL. I dont know wat on earth his problem was :rollseyes, maybe he thought if "I show them my dhikr ability they will think its halal".:rollseyes

This man didnt even say "Asalamalaikum to us when we entered the restaurant, and I ask him a simple.."is it halal"? And he gives me a bunch of DHIKR Song? lol

I told my mom, "lets jst not eat here mom, I dont trust this guy".

My mom found the whole "LA BAYKALLAH EL HIMDILLAH...ENSHALLAH ENSHALLAH...quite amusing n strange at the same time.

[------]

grhhhhhhhhh this annoys me....if something says is HALAL its most likely to be HALAL.
BUT If any case its NOT HALAL its not your fault isit ?

and coke cola is halal!

“Leave that which makes you doubt, for that which does not make you doubt.”

[qassy!]

“Leave that which makes you doubt, for that which does not make you doubt.”

nothing making me in doubt, as it shows its halal. If i walk into a shop, and they say there Halal but they have no signs or anything THEN ill be in doubt.

[aminahjaan]

yeah shouldn't we trust the person selling it, especially if they're Muslim? I just want my food so....I WILL eat it. If I have to I'll personally take it up with the management. But I still want my food.

[qassy!]

yeah shouldn't we trust the person selling it, especially if they're Muslim? I just want my food so....I WILL eat it. If I have to I'll personally take it up with the management. But I still want my food.

I mean if the person was muslim and had no Halal signs up ill be in doubt. As long as they have the Halal sings up, i dont have any doubts :)!

[aminahjaan]

I mean if the person was muslim and had no Halal signs up ill be in doubt. As long as they have the Halal sings up, i dont have any doubts :)!

exactly with muslims, it's all about trust and intentions :)
loool

[soldierofallah_]

Brothers and sisters, as a worker of Mcdonalds, it is my duty to tell you all that the fish fillets, fish fingers and veggies are haraam as they are fried in the same oil as the chicken nuggest, chicken legends and chicken sandwices. Also the same baskets are used to fry the fish. Plus hands are not washed with the 30 minutes rule.

[جوري]

I have just found out, that though many fast food eateries that display the halal word on their premises, giving the clear indication that their meats used are halal, may not actually be using the correct chains of supply.
I normally always ask before I place an order if the meat is halal even if the sign says so.I did this on my recent visit to a local place in oldfield circus, greenford, and believed that I was buying in confidence,I made an issue stating I wanted an alternative soft drink to coca cola,( as many of my friends have warned me of the findings relating to the ingredients).
I was refused at first but after my brief explanation, the owner obliged and offered me an alternative.I was happy and believed that at least I have shared something of some use.

A few days later my sister was mistaken for me, and was told that they had called up the head office of coca cola and that though they will not publish thier ingredients pork extract was not used.My sister explained it had nothing to do with her and can not comment.The owner said if I thought the meat was hahal it cant be, as the slaughter houses in the uk are all owned by the jews and the meat is not halal.
The final comment,he said if your sister is so strict why doesn't she cover her head?
To which my sister though quite astounded replied maybe because she is not a muslim?This confused him even more...........
The point I am making is if I am told the food is halal,that is usually enough for me to have the confidence in what I choose to eat.I f the owner honestly believes the meat is not, why is he allowed to display the halal sign to attract custom from mor discerning customers, and the covering of the head?
We wont even go there!!!!!!!!!!!! but I wonder if a muslim girl that doesnt cover her head would have found this remark a little offensive?
I have called the halal board and they have stated his comments are not true,there is a body that governs the way halal meat is certified under strict regulations.However to warn you, a premise that displays the halal wording may not be using the full certified chain of halal suppliers.
This is very wrong as now I realise that I can be misled and there is no law to prevent a premise from stating the word halal........when in fact it may not be.

I think you simply met with a rude dude on a bad day.. when I was in England, I was surprised by the shabby treatment I received on the hands of some 'Asians'-- some with frank hatred for no apparent reason.
One guy wanted to charge me 6 pounds for a ride that costs 2. 40, and when I asked him, why the disparity he proceeded by telling me. 'It is because you are from America'..:lol: at least he was refreshingly honest

so who knows.. I formed a very poor opinion of Britons after my brief stay there.. was really glad to be back in the states..

anyhow, hate to generalize so forgive me

peace

[sangeeta]

Brothers and sisters, as a worker of Mcdonalds, it is my duty to tell you all that the fish fillets, fish fingers and veggies are haraam as they are fried in the same oil as the chicken nuggest, chicken legends and chicken sandwices. Also the same baskets are used to fry the fish. Plus hands are not washed with the 30 minutes rule.

Thank you for sharing this,I have just been away to india for a while, and seriously am contemplating becoming a vegetarian.dont eat anything from mcd'S but am sure your honesty will help many.

[sangeeta]

I think you simply met with a rude dude on a bad day.. when I was in England, I was surprised by the shabby treatment I received on the hands of some 'Asians'-- some with frank hatred for no apparent reason.
One guy wanted to charge me 6 pounds for a ride that costs 2. 40, and when I asked him, why the disparity he proceeded by telling me. 'It is because you are from America'..:lol: at least he was refreshingly honest

so who knows.. I formed a very poor opinion of Britons after my brief stay there.. was really glad to be back in the states..

anyhow, hate to generalize so forgive me

peace

Many Britains are lovely.Brit asians are warm and friendly,this guy is making money from falsely advertising his food to be halal to simply retain muslim customers,when he could be honest remove the sign and would still have custom from those who are not bothered even if there was a slight drop in profits.In india some claim food is vegetarian, and egg is used which has infuriated many.In india veg means no meat fish or eggs!!!!!!!!

[roohani.doctor]

just beacuse a door says halal on it, we should trust and eat?

i think not, just because doors, signs, and people can be misleading and to trust a stranger who says my food is halal doesn't seem very smart... some of you say its not our fault, we asked if it was halal, he/she said yes so we ate, but every muslim should keep their eyes and minds open, we all know everything is not as simple as it appears, doing a little research before you decide to eat wont hurt you, and might save you from eating something haram and letting 40 days of salat go to waste..

theres a Chinese restaurant here that has a "halal" sign on its door, many of us muslims now know that the chicken is NOT halal, but some muslims still continue to eat there, they make themselves feel better by saying its not their fault cuz the door has halal on it...seriously r u kidding yourselves? By all means eat when u r a 100% sure, but when there is even a speck of doubt, eating it would be makrooh....