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AvarAllahNoor
08-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh (Pure Belong To God, Victory To God)

His Excellency Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum gifts the Sikhs with land to build a HUGE Gurdwara!

Awesome video!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibaI0VmHV3E
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ayan333
08-20-2008, 08:41 PM
:sl:

they need to stop building stuff,its ridiculous...one of the sign of the day of jundgement,subhanALLAH


plp are starving n their making billion dollar man maid islands

:w:
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S_87
08-20-2008, 09:03 PM
Astaghfirullah
La Hawla wa La quwwata illah billah
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north_malaysian
08-21-2008, 02:58 AM
is it the first gurdwara in UAE?
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Orn
08-21-2008, 04:15 AM
I agree with sister ayan333,people are starving to death and they are making million/billion dollar artificial islamds for what? show off?,Allah is testing the arab countries with money and they are failing miserably,and I hardly see any Arab with a beard apart from the scholars/mufti's and such
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usman2468
08-21-2008, 05:31 AM
Dont think Dubai is really a Muslim place anymore. Some of my friends tell me that you hardly find any mosques there.
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ayan333
08-21-2008, 09:27 AM
:sl:

agreeds,alot of non-muslims are buying land


"ABD Allah ibn 'Amr said, "I went to the Prophet (peace be upon him) one
day whilst he was performing Wudu' (ablution) slowly and carefully. He
raised his head, looked at me and said, 'Six things will happen to this
Ummah: the death of your Prophet - 'and when I heard that I was aghast,' -
this is the first. The second is that your wealth will increase so much
that if a man were given ten thousand, he would still not be content with
it. The third is that tribulation will enter the house of every one of
you. The fourth is that sudden death will be widesprea. The fifth is a
peace-treaty between you and the Romans: they will gather troops against
you for nine months - like a woman's period of childbearing - then they
will be the first to break the treaty. The sixth is the conquest of a
city.' I asked, 'O Messenger of Allah, which city?' He said,
'Constantinople." (Ahmad.)


:w:
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Uthman
08-21-2008, 09:55 AM
I'm sure it will be nice. :) However, the beauty of a house of worship is not in it's architecture, but in it's worshippers.
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mizan_aliashraf
08-21-2008, 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by Orn
I agree with sister ayan333,people are starving to death and they are making million/billion dollar artificial islamds for what? show off?,Allah is testing the arab countries with money and they are failing miserably,and I hardly see any Arab with a beard apart from the scholars/mufti's and such
how dare you speak of arabs in such a manner. just because you might not have seen them with beards doesnt make them any worse than yourself. Dont think that just because you may be practising and so on that you can go around speaking ill of others. what knowledge have you acquired and who have you studied under to go around making such statements? There are good and bad amongst every nation. You have no right to single out arabs or anyone else for that matter.

I'm not an Arab myself, but i spent a lot of time studying in Saudi so i can say i know a fair bit about them.

Choose your words carefully in future
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Tania
08-21-2008, 11:16 AM
Its a good sign and show the beginning of a great tolerance toward other religions :)
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usman2468
08-21-2008, 12:09 PM
Oh come on. I am not against arabs of course. U call Dubai a muslim land and most of the arabs living there good muslims then. What with running about in sinful clothes as in the west.

And building massive structures costing billions of dollars when they could have been using the same money feeding needy muslim countries where people are dying of starvation. Ok I agree that Dubai needs to develop its tourism as it is running out of oil but they are just pouring money into their extravagant construction like an unused river pours water into the sea.

Someone also said here that we should appreciate the non muslim tolerance. That someone is being too optimistic. I should tell you that there is no Islamic law which allows you to tolerate non muslim activities to such an extent that they begin dominating MUSLIM culture in ISLAMIC territory?

I didn't mean to offend anyone but this is actually the truth.
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Sahabiyaat
08-21-2008, 12:14 PM
its true
the women care more about their gucci and prada and have 10 maids running after them carrying their shopping bags while the poor starve around the world (a sister i know wittnessed this), and its actually weired if you wear hijaab!!!!!, and its true, they are being tested with wealth and are failing miserably.they are so obssessed with copying the west, its laughable!
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usman2468
08-21-2008, 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf
how dare you speak of arabs in such a manner. just because you might not have seen them with beards doesnt make them any worse than yourself. Dont think that just because you may be practising and so on that you can go around speaking ill of others. what knowledge have you acquired and who have you studied under to go around making such statements? There are good and bad amongst every nation. You have no right to single out arabs or anyone else for that matter.

I'm not an Arab myself, but i spent a lot of time studying in Saudi so i can say i know a fair bit about them.

Choose your words carefully in future
We may be no scholars. But what we are saying is logical. Honestly. A 12 year old kid who is brought up as a moderate Muslim would tell you that what Dubai is doing is very wrong. Again i say. I am not against Arabs as a whole but just against Dubai.
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Whatsthepoint
08-21-2008, 01:16 PM
Great, I've always liked the sheik.
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Tania
08-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by usman2468
I should tell you that there is no Islamic law which allows you to tolerate non muslim activities to such an extent that they begin dominating MUSLIM culture in ISLAMIC territory?
But i don't think there is a law which says the opposite. I remember even The Prophet himself have nothing against to non-muslims and their place of worships (like churches). Dubai gives them only the land to build the worship place, they are not invest their money in the building.
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S_87
08-21-2008, 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by usman2468
Dont think Dubai is really a Muslim place anymore. Some of my friends tell me that you hardly find any mosques there.
depends where you stay. in the touristy areas, no you wont find masjids but there may be prayer rooms in the hotels.

Otherwise if you go into muslim areas or like dubai city centre youll find masjids all over...

but yes there are nice things in dubai though on a whole it seems theyve lost the plot

and are you the same member as orn by any chance? if not, then i believe mizan_aliashraf was replying to his last statement in particular, not what you said...
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Tania
But i don't think there is a law which says the opposite. I remember even The Prophet himself have nothing against to non-muslims and their place of worships (like churches). Dubai gives them only the land to build the worship place, they are not invest their money in the building.
Thankyou sister, and the others that have made nice comments. :statisfie

To that cretin who made Astufrigllah (sp) comment, you're clearly deluded! This shows that Muslims are tolerant of other Religions, it is also true Sikhism was told it will flourish worldwide, as it is. Unlike other Relgions Sikhs do not convert others, they have a Sikh comminity there which needs a Gurdwara. Now, some of you stupid fanatics, obviously show no tolerance like the amicable Muslims. I'm so glad you are in the minority!
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
is it the first gurdwara in UAE?
Yes, it's required. But once erected it'll be glourious. :)
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جوري
08-21-2008, 08:51 PM
If the sikh wish to have a place of worship in so-called Muslim lands, they should apply for a permit and pay for it, like everyone else does..
If this indeed came from Muslim money then all I can say is what an abomination!
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
If the sikh wish to have a place of worship in so-called Muslim lands, they should apply for a permit and pay for it, like everyone else does..

If this indeed came from Muslim money then all I can say is what an abomination!
Shiekh says he's gifted it to the Sikhs. I'm not sure what the reasons. but I'm Sikhs living there have contributed towards paying taxes etc then they are ENTITLED TO IT!!!!
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Shiekh says he's gifted it to the Sikhs. I'm not sure what the reasons. but I'm Sikhs living there have contributed towards paying taxes etc then they are ENTITLED TO IT!!!!
I don't know whether they pay taxes or not and that is auxiliary to the fact.. I pay taxes here, and still if we want to erect a mosque, we pay for it and get a permit.. so my opinion is still, that this is an abomination if done by Muslim money.. since sikhs aren't even people of the book.. basically we are bringing paganism back!
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Tania
08-21-2008, 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
If this indeed came from Muslim money then all I can say is what an abomination!
I stick to my opinion.In this time of intolerance its a great sign to show the muslims are not so against-others. I didn't followed the event but even with the Pope they had a meeting :-[ to improve the relations with catholics. I am sure if the sikh would have bought alone the land would not be the same. and don't forget the gudwara costs the sikhs will pay for it.
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Tania
08-21-2008, 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
.. basically we are bringing ... back!
Above if you read the post carefully its says they don't convert people.
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
I don't know whether they pay taxes or not and that is auxiliary to the fact.. I pay taxes here, and still if we want to erect a mosque, we pay for it and get a permit.. so my opinion is still, that this is an abomination if done by Muslim money.. since sikhs aren't even people of the book.. basically we are bringing paganism back!
I didn't realise you lived in UAE...Considering that's what we're talking about...

And if you want to dicuss paganism, well don't get me started on Islam! (not that I want to) So, saying Sikhism is a Pagan religion is offensive to me! So happy people like you are not in charge of such matters. Because the Shiekh obviously has braincells!
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by Tania
I stick to my opinion.In this time of intolerance its a great sign to show the muslims are not so against-others. I didn't followed the event but even with the Pope they had a meeting :-[ to improve the relations with catholics. I am sure if the sikh would have bought alone the land would not be the same. and don't forget the gudwara costs the sikhs will pay for it.
I have no probs with them having a place of worship whatsoever.. I do have a problem however, knowing that Muslims look into garbage to break their fast in Ramadan in areas like palestine, are refugees and going to bed hungry in their own lands, while 'sofaha'a' aka profligate leaders waste Money that rightly belongs to Muslims by Islamic law erecting pagan temples ...

peace
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Whatsthepoint
08-21-2008, 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
I didn't realise you lived in UAE...Considering that's what we're talking about...
She lives in the US.
In the UK a lot of mosques and Islamic schools are entirely or publicly funded. Are you against that, Skye?
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
I didn't realise you lived in UAE...Considering that's what we're talking about...

And if you want to dicuss paganism, well don't get me started on Islam! (not that I want to) So, saying Sikhism is a Pagan religion is offensive to me! So happy people like you are not in charge of such matters. Because the Shiekh obviously has braincells!
You are entitled to your beliefs and to worship as you please and to think of us what you may, but sikhism is a pagan religion according to Muslims..
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
She lives in the US.
In the UK a lot of mosques and Islamic schools are entirely or publicly funded. Are you against that, Skye?
I think England should be divided up between India/ Hong Kong/ China and Africa, if you really want my opinion!

cheers
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Whatsthepoint
08-21-2008, 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
You are entitled to your beliefs and to worship as you please and to think of us what you may, but sikhism is a pagan religion according to Muslims..
The UAE is far from being an Islamic state, so whats the problem anyway?
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Tania
08-21-2008, 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
...profligate leaders waste Money that rightly belongs to Muslims by Islamic law erecting pagan temples ...

peace
Its a land. I am sure the leaders in questions have enough money to give for food too if they would wish to do that. But i think they read the economic theory related to food and decided to step back. So... You have no reason to be angry. I am delighted a small minority of other religion will have a place where to go and worship. :)
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Whatsthepoint
08-21-2008, 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
I think England should be divided up between India/ Hong Kong/ China and Africa, if you really want my opinion!
cheers
Well, Dubai certainly exploits large numbers of cheap foreign labor, some of which are bound to be Sikhs, so it's about time they did something for them!
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Tania
Above if you read the post carefully its says they don't convert people.
Nothing to do with converting.. I am talking about wasting Islamic resources!
I think the money is misplaced!
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
I have no probs with them having a place of worship whatsoever.. I do have a problem however, knowing that Muslims look into garbage to break their fast in Ramadan in areas like palestine, are refugees and going to bed hungry in their own lands, while 'sofaha'a' aka profligate leaders waste Money that rightly belongs to Muslims by Islamic law erecting pagan temples ...

peace
Oh yes, the finance allocated for the Sikh Gurdwara WILL eradicate poverty for the Muslims worldwide! My Lord, one must inform the Shiekh of this, because it'll be a revelation to him and his Government! :rollseyes
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chacha_jalebi
08-21-2008, 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
The UAE is far from being an Islamic state, so whats the problem anyway?
its meant too bee

i think the problem, many of us else have voiced, is we havent got a problem againist sikhism

like its jus annoyin that, land is bein given for free, when it could be sold or rented and the money used to help other people i nneed

and doesnt uae come in the arabian peninsula? and that hadiths about RasoolAllah (saw) tellin of no other religions

so kiddos lets all take a chill pilll otherwise you know what happens to the thread :D
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
The UAE is far from being an Islamic state, so whats the problem anyway?
I have already stated what the problem is to you a few posts back!
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Whatsthepoint
08-21-2008, 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi
its meant too bee

i think the problem, many of us else have voiced, is we havent got a problem againist sikhism

like its jus annoyin that, land is bein given for free, when it could be sold or rented and the money used to help other people i nneed

so kiddos lets all take a chill pilll otherwise you know what happens to the thread :D
Well, its not and giving land to the Sikhs won't make it any less Islamic.
Sometimes acts of tolerance are worth more than the money they cost. Saying the money is misplaced is a joke, seeing what else is being built there.
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Oh yes, the finance allocated for the Sikh Gurdwara WILL eradicate poverty for the Muslims worldwide! My Lord, one must inform the Shiekh of this, because it'll be a revelation to him and his Government! :rollseyes
Even if it were a hundred dollar gurdwa--, that would suffice to feed an x number of families.. It isn't about how much or how little.. it is the principal, that money that belongs to Muslims by Islamic law, be it in UAE or Brunei would be misplaced.. I don't approve of UAE giving a gift of this nature, anymore than I approve the son of the sultan or Brunei giving a 15 million dollar necklace to the prostitute Mariah carey..

It is really that simple..
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Tania
08-21-2008, 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi
and doesnt uae come in the arabian peninsula? and that hadiths about RasoolAllah (saw) tellin of no other religions
Where are the hadiths telling to destroy other religions :?
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Well, its not and giving land to the Sikhs won't make it any less Islamic.
Sometimes acts of tolerance are worth more than the money they cost. Saying the money is misplaced is a joke, seeing what else is being built there.
You are missing the point entirely.. and what else is being built isn't any less flagitious, be it gambling casinos or bars...

is it any wonder the entire Muslim world will suffer the action of the morons in charge as per suret al-anfal
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:23 PM
like its jus annoyin that, land is bein given for free, when it could be sold or rented and the money used to help other people i nneed
I'm sure it wasn't just handed over willy nilly. Sikhs contribute to society in many ways. Ask the British...
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Whatsthepoint
08-21-2008, 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
Even if it were a hundred dollar gurdwa--, that would suffice to feed an x number of families.. It isn't about how much or how little.. it is the principal, that money that belongs to Muslims by Islamic law, be it in UAE or Brunei would be misplaced.. I don't approve of UAE giving a gift of this nature, anymore than I approve the son of the sultan or Brunei giving a 15 million dollar necklace to the prostitute Mariah carey..

It is really that simple..
I'm sure half the money Dubai earns is haraam by Islamic standards...
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:25 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
Even if it were a hundred dollar gurdwa--, that would suffice to feed an x number of families.. It isn't about how much or how little.. it is the principal, that money that belongs to Muslims by Islamic law, be it in UAE or Brunei would be misplaced.. I don't approve of UAE giving a gift of this nature, anymore than I approve the son of the sultan or Brunei giving a 15 million dollar necklace to the prostitute Mariah carey..

It is really that simple..
You're pushing it! You equate a GURDWARA TO A PROSTITUE! (Dhan Satguru)

I used to think you were quite intelligent, you've changed my view.
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:27 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
I'm sure half the money Dubai earns is haraam by Islamic standards...
So true. Some people need to learn more about Islam, and spend less time listening to vile lectures by Mr Hook who's currently detained.
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
I'm sure half the money Dubai earns is haraam by Islamic standards...
I have no doubt considering that less than 30% of its employees are actually citizens..
There will be a day of reckoning for each one of those rulers governing in iniquity!
I would fear Allah if I were one of them or step aside for a true kaliph to govern by God's law!
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
Even if it were a hundred dollar gurdwa--, that would suffice to feed an x number of families.. It isn't about how much or how little.. it is the principal, that money that belongs to Muslims by Islamic law, be it in UAE or Brunei would be misplaced.. I don't approve of UAE giving a gift of this nature, anymore than I approve the son of the sultan or Brunei giving a 15 million dollar necklace to the prostitute Mariah carey..

It is really that simple..
Well as you're so concerned about the plight of the ummah in distress, sell your house, your belongings and whatnot and donate it all? no, didn't think you'd put your money where your mouth is!
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Well as you're so concerned about the plight of the ummah in distress, sell your house, your belongings and whatnot and donate it all? no, didn't think you'd put your money where your mouth is!
Do you personally know how I run my affairs and manage my money?
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
Do you personally know how I run my affairs and manage my money?
No different from the rest of the 6.7 billion people.
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AvarAllahNoor
08-21-2008, 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
I have no doubt considering that less than 30% of its employees are actually citizens..
There will be a day of reckoning for each one of those rulers governing in iniquity!
I would fear Allah if I were one of them or step aside for a true kaliph to govern by God's law!
I'm sure you'll be there too, (me inc) for showing disdain to others....
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جوري
08-21-2008, 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
No different from the rest of the 6.7 billion people.
The proper answer is, No you don't know!
so stop imposing your assumptive beliefs!

cheers
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Whatsthepoint
08-21-2008, 09:42 PM
Personally I'm very glad for the Sikhs living in Dubai.
The value of the lot is dismissible compared to the value of the act itself, I'm sure the Sikh community feels more accepted into the Dubai society than it did before.
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Malaikah
08-22-2008, 12:54 AM
I think everyone has missed the most important issue here... and that issue is of course... what on earth is a Gurdwara?? (Excuse my ignorance).
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north_malaysian
08-22-2008, 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
I think everyone has missed the most important issue here... and that issue is of course... what on earth is a Gurdwara?? (Excuse my ignorance).
Gurdwara - Sikhism House of Worship....

Personally, I wont call Sikhism as Paganism as they are strictly monotheistic.

There are many Sikhs living in Dubai without any house of worship.. by giving a piece of land for them to satisfy their spiritual needs is kinda good thing right?

There are more than 100 gurdwaras in Malaysia, the Sikhs never did any crazy kind of worship and interrupted the other people's lives..

They even give free vegetarian food....
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Tania
08-22-2008, 04:25 AM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
The value of the lot is dismissible compared to the value of the act itself,
Only i hope they will not hear negative comments in the newspappers, because that could nulify the act.
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usman2468
08-22-2008, 04:50 AM
Originally Posted by Tania
But i don't think there is a law which says the opposite. I remember even The Prophet himself have nothing against to non-muslims and their place of worships (like churches). Dubai gives them only the land to build the worship place, they are not invest their money in the building.
I don't say non Muslims should not be tolerated in Dubai. I am not an extremist. I am not against churches and other non muslim worshipping places in Dubai. I am just angry at the muslims there since they are adopting the wrong ways of non muslims and that is strictly prohibited in Islam
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Orn
08-22-2008, 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf
how dare you speak of arabs in such a manner. just because you might not have seen them with beards doesnt make them any worse than yourself. Dont think that just because you may be practising and so on that you can go around speaking ill of others. what knowledge have you acquired and who have you studied under to go around making such statements? There are good and bad amongst every nation. You have no right to single out arabs or anyone else for that matter.

I'm not an Arab myself, but i spent a lot of time studying in Saudi so i can say i know a fair bit about them.

Choose your words carefully in future
okay I may have gone overboard with all the arabs statement and I am sorry for that but I do know people who are arabs and does the exact opposite of what islam teaches us and even though they describe themselves as muslims,they're muslim by namesake which will benefit them in no way,I'm not against arabs as a whole just against the black sheeps(which will be in all communities regardless of faith) and I just hate the how the bedouins treat their women(as was shown on al-jazeera) I really dont know the other bedouin tribes but the one's al-jazeera had shown was somewhere from the Middle East,and Arabs from Saudi Arabia are really different from the arabs from Dubai faithwise
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Orn
08-22-2008, 02:31 PM
oh and someone who's been to dubai already knows that there's night clubs,open bars and such(I havent been there but a few of my friends have and saw photos) yeah I know the situation is worse here in bangladesh
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AvarAllahNoor
08-22-2008, 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
I think everyone has missed the most important issue here... and that issue is of course... what on earth is a Gurdwara?? (Excuse my ignorance).
If you watched the vidoe you'd know. :)

BTW - Don't you have a Sikh friend? I'm she's talked of it, unless you ignore her.
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Abdu-l-Majeed
08-22-2008, 06:07 PM
There are many Sikhs living in Dubai without any house of worship.. by giving a piece of land for them to satisfy their spiritual needs is kinda good thing right?
Not really... That is giving them opportunity to practice kufr. ;-)
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Orn
08-22-2008, 07:58 PM
imo the dubai(ens ?) are afraid/too proud to do Daw'ah
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Amadeus85
08-22-2008, 08:25 PM
Too much talk about one small temple in one small country :)
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Tania
08-22-2008, 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
Too much talk about one small temple in one small country :)
You are wrong here. Its named The Golden Temple and i think will become another major atraction for tourists. Because the sikhs will invest a large budget in gurdwara. (will be ready in 18 months :) Also, if i read correctly the land can be bought only by UAE citizen, thats why they got the land like gift. And the major interest of the governemnt its to mentain the religious tolerance between the population :).
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Whatsthepoint
08-22-2008, 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Tania
You are wrong here. Its named The Golden Temple and i think will become another major atraction for tourists. Because the sikhs will invest a large budget in gurdwara. (will be ready in 18 months :) Also, if i read correctly the land can be bought only by UAE citizen, thats why they got the land like gift. And the major interest of the governemnt its to mentain the religious tolerance between the population :).
See, this explains it!:)
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Tania
08-22-2008, 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
See, this explains it!:)
Yes, the government another major interest its to develop the tourism (more money from here than the oil which its planned to be finished upto 2010) and this is a great oportunity for them too. Not to mention it will be the second gurdwara in UAE and except the land the government will not give any money for it.
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