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islamirama
08-22-2008, 12:34 AM
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Hindu Extremism Being Ignored

Monday January 19, 2004


The American media often has a lot to say about Islamic militants and Muslims who commit violence in the Middle East, and it is true that they pose a threat to others (as well as to other Muslims). However, that same media typically ignores similar extremism and similar violence committed by Hindu nationalists in India. Pakistan's Daily Times reports:

Paul Marshall, a senior fellow at Freedom House’s Centre for Religious Freedom who recently published a book on the rise of Hindu extremism in India, writes that a country once personified by Mahatma Gandhi is fast becoming known for religious hatred and violence. While India remains the world’s largest democracy, the ruling BJP is linked to Hindu extremist groups like the RSS, the Bajrang Dal and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), which mount hate campaigns and sometimes-violent attacks against religious minorities and demand that Hinduism dominate society and politics. The RSS was founded by admirers of fascism and Nazism, produced Gandhi’s murderers and is now perhaps the world’s largest paramilitary organisation, with millions of members, he adds.

India's political traditions are founded upon liberalism, democracy, and tolerance - but the growth of extremism in that nation threatens those foundations, and threatens to ignite not only internal violence, but also conflict with other nations like Pakistan. There are justifiable concerns about the possibility of Muslim extremists taking over in Pakistan, a country with nuclear weapons, but we should have similar concerns about India as well - a country which is much larger, more powerful, and which possess more nuclear weapons than Pakistan.



Hindu Extremism on the Rise in India

Conservative News Service, Feb 14, 2000

NEW DELHI, India (CNS) -- Hindu fundamentalist groups in India are trying to curb the activities of other religious groups and control the "expressions" of those not conforming to their world view, according to analysts here. As examples, analysts point to Hindu attempts to change the Indian constitution in ways that would curb artistic free expression and restrict the right of minority Christians and Muslims to preach and practice their religion freely.

"Increasing intolerance among the Hindu fundamentalist organizations, which pose a grave threat to democracy, are an indication of the rise of fascist forces in India," said politics professor M. Mohanty of Delhi University.

"What happened with European fascism is now happening with the Hindus," he told CNSNews.com.

Kanti Bajpai, professor of international politics at Jawaharlal Nehru University, agreed, telling CNSNews.com that "the rise of right-wing politics in India is far more advanced and violent than in Austria."

More than 80 percent of India's nearly one billion people are Hindus. Muslims form a sizeable minority of around 15 percent, while just 2.5 percent are Christians.

Although Hindu fundamentalist leaders have formally denied responsibility for attacks on minority religious communities, their propaganda is characterized by threats of violence.

In Orissa, where Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons were murdered 13 months ago, the local government passed an order last November prohibiting religious conversions without the prior permission of the local police and a district magistrate.

The order, an amendment to the 1967 Orissa Freedom of Religion Act, stipulates that a citizen wishing to convert must undergo a police inquiry to explain his or her reasons.

India's most populous state, Uttar Pradesh, has passed a bill restricting the building and use of places of worship. It is awaiting the approval of the Indian president.

The western state of Gujarat recently lifted a ban on government employees being members of the Hindu nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (national self-service organization, or RSS).

The RSS, which claims to be a socio-cultural organization, is the main think tank of several fundamentalist bodies in India, including the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). The RSS functions as the principal guardian of Hindu ideology.

An RRS member assassinated Mahatma Gandhi in 1948. It has been banned three times since independence for its activities.

Also in Gujarat, lawmakers soon will debate a draft Freedom of Religion Bill, which makes it a criminal offense to use force or fraud in converting a person from one religion to another.

Hindu fundamentalists forced an Indo-Canadian movie director, Deepa Mehta, from filming a movie that reportedly depicted an upper caste Hindu widow falling in love with a lower caste laborer as well as widows being forced into prostitution by those in the upper castes.

Taking exception to the storyline of "Water," activists said it "tarnished the image of the country and Hindus."

Actress Nandita Das, who stars in "Water," said the fanatics were misleading people and causing trouble for the whole society "in a country known for its unity in diversity."

Political scientist Mohanty warned that the greatest danger to India's "extremely strained social fabric" may come not from Sikh or Muslim separatists, but from Hindu fundamentalists.

The vice-president of the ruling BJP, J.P. Mathur, said Hindus were known for their tolerance, but that "Muslim fundamentalism has now forced us to raise our head and counter it. It is all because of the survival of the fittest."

India has a long history of violence between the Hindu majority and Muslims. Recently, Christians also have been targeted.

The New Delhi-based United Christian Forum for Human Rights has documented more than 120 attacks against Christian individuals, churches, and schools, allegedly by Hindu fundamentalists, in the past year. Half of the incidents have occurred in Gujarat.

The Roman Catholic Archbishop of Delhi, Alan de Lastic, said extremists were employing a national-level strategy to try to stem the influence of Christians.

"It is more pronounced in states where there is a government affiliated to the Hindu ideology and a small Christian population," he said.

A resurgence of Hindu fundamentalism has taken place over the past decade, beginning with an RSS television campaign in the late 1980s to forge a self-conscious collective Hindu identity.

In 1991, present Home Minister L. K. Advani undertook a historic "chariot journey" from a Hindu temple in Gujarat to the legendary birthplace of the Hindu god Ram.

The symbolic journey helped transform the BJP from marginal group with just two seats in parliament a decade ago to the ruling party today.

In 1992, Muslims became the main targets of Hindus with the destruction of a mosque built in the 16th century on a site some Hindus believe a Hindu temple once stood.

International politics professor Bajpai compared the strategy used by the RSS to that of Joerg Haider and the Freedom Party in Austria.

"The right here too advocates extreme and flagrant positions and then retreats and recants as a way of disarming critics and opponents - and succeeds only too well."

The fundamentalists had also used the fear of "outsiders within" to build a support base.

"Immigration has been one way of doing this, but more important here has been the portrayal of religious and ethnic minorities as aliens whose loyalty to the nation is questionable," Bajpai explained.

"Measures need to be taken to curb this trend, otherwise it will destroy the multi-cultural fabric of India," warned Mohanty.

http://i-irat.blogspot.com/2007/10/hindu-extremism-on-rise-in-india.html

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islamirama
10-11-2008, 05:22 AM
Hindu Terrorism in India


Hindu elites and religious fanatics have a very long history of ethnic-cleansing and terrorism against the Native people (Shudhar aka Delite aka untouchable) and non-Hindu minorities. In the past, they almost eliminated the Bhuddist and Jain communities - most of which escaped to Indo-Chinese countries ot the Middle East. During last days of Mughal Empire, Skhism emerged out of Hindism - and under British rule (1750s to 1947) - Christianity was adopted by many low-caste Hindus to escape Hindu racism.

Afghan and Persian Muslims ruled Indian sub-continent for nearly a thousand year. However, since Muslim Hindustan was occupied by British East India Company in 18th century - Muslims have been targetted by both British occupation. After the unsucceful rebellion of 1857 - It were Muslims who suffered the most Hindu-British terrorism. The communal roits increased after the Muslims of India demanded more representation in government, military and economic sectors under British Raj after WW I. The British and Hindu elites’ indifference towards Muslims’ genuine demands lead Muslim leaders of United Bengal to establish All India Muslim League, which eventually succeeded in partition of India, resulting in creation of a separate Muslim State of Pakistan on August 14, 1947.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/
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The Khan
10-11-2008, 10:22 PM
:sl:

It is becoming worse day by day. I fear the day when the BJP will return to power. The congress is planning to ban the Bajrang Dal as a terrorist outfit, Inshallah, they shall be successful.

Police are randomly picking up Muslim men and torturing them, most of those who are poor. Luckily, I can escape this due to my father's political connections. However, I can't say the same of my brothers and sisters who suffer from police brutality. :cry:
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Pygoscelis
10-11-2008, 10:30 PM
They need to fly a plane into a skyscraper before many will notice them.
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islamirama
10-11-2008, 10:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
They need to fly a plane into a skyscraper before many will notice them.
or a false flag operation to blame them like Muslims were blamed.
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The Khan
10-11-2008, 10:35 PM
So true.
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nocturnal
10-11-2008, 11:43 PM
Banning the Bajrang Dal isn't going to be as easy as it appears. We're not talking about Africa in the immedieate post-independence era, where any dictator can cocncot false charges against you and have you fast tracked through a kangaroo court and hanged before you know it.

The Hindu nationalists, even though predominantly loyal BJP supporters, still wield considerable influence in Mr Singh's coalition government, and for any indian government to retain power, they have to placate those who sympathise with right-wing Hindu doctrine. And they constitute a significant part of the electorate.

Plus, when you have immoral, hideous and uncivilzed antagonists like Narendra Modi in Gujarat mobilizing the masses by playing a right wing populist card which popularizes groups like the VHP, Shiv Sena etc, it isn't easy to neutralize them. It could open up the spectre of upheavals and communal riots.
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Amadeus85
10-12-2008, 10:12 AM
I would like to ask whats the difference between hindu radicals using violence to create a hindu state and muslim radicals(like Muslim Brotherhood,Hamas and dozens of others) who use violence to build an islamic state?
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SixTen
10-12-2008, 10:16 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
I would like to ask whats the difference between hindu radicals using violence to create a hindu state and muslim radicals(like Muslim Brotherhood,Hamas and dozens of others) who use violence to build an islamic state?
One group claims to be hindus, the other muslims?
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islamirama
10-13-2008, 05:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
I would like to ask whats the difference between hindu radicals using violence to create a hindu state and muslim radicals(like Muslim Brotherhood,Hamas and dozens of others) who use violence to build an islamic state?
Hindu extremists are the majority, are in power, and are killing and torturing not just Muslim minorities but christians and other minorities as well.

The difference is that everyone in India is one race, one color, and one group of people, just following different religions.

Hamas is a legitimate government voted for and by the people. It is the western powers that have labeled them as terrorists for refusing to bow down let their people be tortured, oppressed and murdered in cold blood by the real terrorists, the zionists. Hamas is not killing its own citizens like hindus are, but rather fighting an occupation of a foreign and oppressive regime and it's state terrorism.

Muslim brotherhood is not a violent group as you have grouped it with hindu radicals. Muslim brotherhood is the largest body of group in Egypt and the most popular by public demand as well as the most supportive of the people. They basically are the government since they provide jobs, social welfare, housing, and many other amenities that egypt dictator failed to provide his people. Do you know there are over 13 million egytpians living in cementaries because of the incompetence of this dictator?
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Amadeus85
10-13-2008, 12:22 PM
[QUOTE=islamirama;1025030]
Hamas is a legitimate government voted for and by the people. It is the western powers that have labeled them as terrorists for refusing to bow down let their people be tortured, oppressed and murdered in cold blood by the real terrorists, the zionists. Hamas is not killing its own citizens like hindus are, but rather fighting an occupation of a foreign and oppressive regime and it's state terrorism.
I think that Hindutva is like their(hindu) Hamas(which is palestinian branch of Muslim Brotherhood). Hamas and other islamistic groups want to create islamic states in whole muslim world, BJP and other Hindutva groups want to establish hindu state in India. Both political islamists and hindutva are ready to use violence for this, all of them breed prejudice and intolerance against religious minorities, all of them use religion to gain power.
Muslim brotherhood is not a violent group as you have grouped it with hindu radicals. Muslim brotherhood is the largest body of group in Egypt and the most popular by public demand as well as the most supportive of the people. They basically are the government since they provide jobs, social welfare, housing, and many other amenities that egypt dictator failed to provide his people. Do you know there are over 13 million egytpians living in cementaries because of the incompetence of this dictator?
Hamas is palestinian branch of MB, so they also use violence. Hindu nationalists were also elected in democratic elections, they are also most popular now probably. They also build kindergartens, schools, hospitals in rural areas of India. Thats why they have so many supporters.
I would say moreover, in Pakistan and probably in Bangladesh half of the parties are political islamists, radicals. I dont know it, but its possible that the rise of Hindutva is the answer on religious extremism of India's northern neighbours.
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The Khan
10-13-2008, 12:26 PM
The extremist parties are very weak in Pakistan. Most of them lost a huge majority of their seats during the last elections for supporting Musharaff. Bangladesh is largely secular.
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Gator
10-13-2008, 12:30 PM
Just FYI. I've seen and read a lot of stuff on Hindu extremism. In fact there's a front page article in today's New York Times on Hindu's terrorizing Christians to convert.

So I hope it makes you feel better that Hindu terror is getting at least some mainstream media press.
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The Khan
10-13-2008, 11:46 PM
It makes me feel somewhat better.

At least there will be some international pressure to ban these militant outfits, I hope.
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islamirama
10-14-2008, 04:08 AM
[quote=Aaron85;1025223]
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

Hamas is palestinian branch of MB, so they also use violence. Hindu nationalists were also elected in democratic elections, they are also most popular now probably. They also build kindergartens, schools, hospitals in rural areas of India. Thats why they have so many supporters.
I would say moreover, in Pakistan and probably in Bangladesh half of the parties are political islamists, radicals. I dont know it, but its possible that the rise of Hindutva is the answer on religious extremism of India's northern neighbours.
I don't know where you are getting your information from but it definitely is not accurate. Palestinians and Egyptians are two different people. Palsetine is in Middle East where as Egypt is in Africa. The brotherhood of Muslims in Egypt is a full organization that provides social welfare and everything else a government is support to provide its citizens. The Hamas is a political group separate from the brotherhood and a legtimate goverment voted to power by the palestinians. I'm not surprised to hear you say hamas uses violence and is radical while not utterint anythign against zionist terrorism. Everything Hamas is doing is in defense against the continued occupatino and oppression by the state terorrism of zionists with full support of USrael and the spineless international community.
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The Khan
10-14-2008, 04:32 AM
Hamas is indeed affiliated to the Muslim brotherhood. It's the Palestinian branch of the MB. The MB has many branches scattered throughout the world. While the MB mainly preaches non-violence, it does allow attacks, including suicide attacks, against the Zionists, as Israel is a militarised society.
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islamirama
10-15-2008, 05:40 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by The Khan
Hamas is indeed affiliated to the Muslim brotherhood. It's the Palestinian branch of the MB. The MB has many branches scattered throughout the world. While the MB mainly preaches non-violence, it does allow attacks, including suicide attacks, against the Zionists, as Israel is a militarised society.
Any reliable source on this i can look into?
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The Khan
10-15-2008, 07:20 AM
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/#2
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barney
10-15-2008, 07:45 AM
It was national headline news yesterday on all channels.
The bible burning, wrecked houses etc.
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north_malaysian
10-15-2008, 07:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
They need to fly a plane into a skyscraper before many will notice them.
There are lots of skycrapers in countries like UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and of course Malaysia (we have a twin towers):exhausted
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north_malaysian
10-15-2008, 07:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by barney
It was national headline news yesterday on all channels.
The bible burning, wrecked houses etc.
the one happened at the state of Orissa?
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The Khan
10-15-2008, 08:09 AM
Mainly Orissa, but also spread to Karnataka and Kerela.
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islamirama
11-27-2008, 05:20 AM
India's Hindu Terrorists
By IslamOnline.net & Newspapers

CAIRO — The arrest of India's first Hindu terrorist cell over a series of bombing attacks initially blamed on Muslims is angering the Hindu majority in the Asian giant.

"You cannot call it Hindu terrorism," Ram Madhav, a spokesman for Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the umbrella group for India's Hindu activists, told the Washington Post on Monday, November 24.
Ten Hindu extremists, including a self-styled female saint and an army officer, have been arrested over a series of deadly bombings that were initially blamed on militant Muslims.

Police are linking them to blasts that rocked the Muslim-dominated town of Malegaon in the western state of Maharashtra in September, claiming the lives of six people.

The group is also suspected of having links to previous attacks, including last year's notorious bombing of a cross-border train en route to Pakistan, which killed 68 people.

Most of the arrestees have been associated with a radical Hindu group called Abhinav Bharat, or "New India".

Himani Savarkar, the group's president, claimed the case was fabricated to appease Muslims ahead of the state elections.

"It is a great balancing act by the Congress government. To appease the Muslims, they are now arresting Hindus for terrorism," he argued, insisting the arrested group had been working to "rouse Hindus out of their slumber".
"But even if they have done anything, I would say it is a reaction, not an action," said Savarkar, who set up a legal aid fund to help the arrestees.Misar, the public prosecutor, refuted claims that the case was politically-motivated.

"We have evidence against all the accused for their respective roles in instigation, abetment, providing explosives and funding," he said citing mobile phone call records, bank statements, diaries and laptop data.
"All the evidence will be scrutinized by court, not by political pressure or public opinion."

India's military, which prides itself on its professionalism, has been forced to order an embarrassing inquiry.

Defiant

Savarkar, the president of the Abhinav Bharat, stressed Hindus would not stand hand-folded.

"We cannot keep showing the other cheek. The Hindus are fed up," he said.

Whenever the accused appear before the judge, hundreds of Hindu activists would storm the courthouse chanting "We are with you" waving orange flags and showering marigold petals on the vehicles carrying the prisoners.

Hundreds of orange-robed self-styled Hindu saints are also planning to march in the coming days to New Delhi to launch a "Hindu mobilization drive."

The Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is running campaign ads on TV accusing the government of smearing the names of soldiers who sacrifice their lives for the nation.

The political wrangling over the Hindu extremists' arrest reopened the old wounds of many Muslims.

"We have always known that Hindu extremists were behind the blast, but we never thought the government would have the courage to arrest Hindus," said Ejaz Ahmad, a 32-year-old shop owner.

"The suspicion is always on Muslims. Now we feel there is justice."
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islamirama
11-27-2008, 05:25 AM
Mumbai Attacks To Be Blamed On Pakistan?


Up to 100 dead in coordinated terror, India blamed previous attacks on Pakistan


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

Coordinated attacks across Mumbai, India’s financial capital, which have killed up to a hundred people and injured hundreds more, are likely to be blamed on a terrorist organization linked to the Pakistani ISI, providing further justification for controversial U.S. bombings inside Pakistani territory and heightened rhetoric against Pakistan on behalf of President elect Barack Obama.

Terrorists armed with AK-47’s and grenades conduced a series of rampages on hotels, restaurants and public transport facilities today, killing around 80 and injuring over 250 people. Initial reports that terrorists had seized western hostages were later dismissed by Indian government officials.

With the corporate media desperate to pin the blame in order to score much needed propaganda points for the ailing war on terror, suspicion is likely to fall on Pakistan, a country that President elect Barack Obama openly threatened during his presidential campaign.

The bombings in Mumbai will also likely silence questions about controversial U.S. bombing raids inside Pakistani territory aimed at terrorists, strikes that have repeatedly killed innocent civilians.

It is commonly asserted that the Pakistani ISI helps fund and train terrorists.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/mumbai-attacks-to-be-linked-to-obama-target-pakistan.html
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islamirama
12-02-2008, 06:00 AM
Today the hindu extremists are powerful because they went unchecked 8 years ago when they were reported to be on the rise.





  • Hinduism turns to 'fascism', promote and trains to 'lies' and 'murders'!




Suspects were trained to lie

Wed,26 Nov 2008

"Injure yourself if you have to"; "complain of torture"; "make personal, embarrassing allegations against the police in court."
These are some instructions members of the radical Hindu group Abhinav Bharat – under investigation for its involvement in the Malegaon blast – were given at a training camp conducted by Lt Col Prasad Purohit at Pachmarhi, Madhya Pradesh, earlier this year.
The September 29 blast in a crowded marketplace in Maharashtra's powerloom town claimed six lives.


Investigators found details of these training sessions in Purohit's laptop, which was recovered after his arrest on November 5.


Hindustan Times had access to the armyman's detailed lecture notes. Officials said at least 30 senior Abhinav Bharat members attended these sessions, referred to in the laptop as personality development workshops.


The allegations made by Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and the other co-accused at the special Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act (MCOCA) court on Monday are very similar to the instructions in Purohit's sessions.


"With his military intelligence background and knowledge of interrogation procedures, this strategy to derail investigation in the event of being arrested was designed by Purohit," said a police officer involved in the probe.


Maharashtra Director General of Police A.N. Roy said these are delay tactics. "It is becoming common to level allegations against investigators, to slow down the probe and to make investigators wary," he said.


The court on Monday denied the Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) custody of seven of the 11 accused, a major setback and embarrassment for the police. The sadhvi was the first to file an affidavit that the ATS had tortured her.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=HomePage&id=e7f26f40-accf-4ddb-84fe-7b6c5fcdce2d&&Headline=Malegaon+blast+suspects+wer e+trained+to+lie
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Zarmina
12-02-2008, 06:21 AM
In response to someone's statement... actually some countries in North Africa like Egypt are considered to be part of the "Middle East".
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islamirama
12-09-2008, 05:55 AM
It's important to start from the start of all the bombings India if one is to understand what is going on there now. So here it is from the start, dating back to a few months.




Hindu Extremism: Brahamin terrorists arrested

Pune, October 25, 2008


On Friday, a day after three suspected right-wing Hindu activists were arrested in connection with the September 29 blast in Malegaon that claimed six lives, the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) detained two former Army officers in Pune in the same case.
The Pune police were tightlipped. Pune Police Commissioner Satyapal Sinh and Additional Commissioner of Police Rajendra Sonavane both said they were not aware of any ATS action.

However, top Pune police sources, not authorised to speak to media, confirmed the detentions. Sources said one of the officers was Major (Retd) Prabhakar Kulkarni. He had served the Territorial Army, the military's civilian wing, for nearly 12 years before heading the Bhonsala Military School and College, Nashik, run by the Central Hindu Military Education Society.
Sources identified the other officer only as 'Upadhye', working with the military intelligence.

Sources in the Southern Command Headquarters of the Indian Army at Pune said they received a directive from Delhi to probe the association of serving or retired personnel in the Malegaon blast.

Sources said the officers' names were revealed during the questioning of arrested Hindu activists Sadhvi Pradnyasingh Thakur, Shivnarayansing Kalsangram and Shyam Sahu, all from Madhya Pradesh.

Sources said Kulkarni and Upadhye were suspected to be running a private military school. The ATS suspects they may have supplied explosives to the Malegaon bombers. Forensic tests showed that RDX was used in the attack.

Asked if there was any lack of coordination between Pune police and ATS, Sinh said the ATS' jurisdiction covered all of Maharashtra and they could take independent action anywhere.

These are the second set of terror-related arrests in Pune. On October 6, the ATS arrested 20 suspects from across Maharashtra, eight of them from Pune. All were suspected to be Indian Mujahideen activists, most highly educated. They had set up a control room in Pune's Kondhwa area.

http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/coffeehouse/Hindu-Extremism-Brahamin-terrorists-arrested-891763.htm
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islamirama
12-13-2008, 07:02 PM
Shock as top Indian army officers arrested for the blasts

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Khabr/message/599


More Indian army officers arrested for blasts

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Khabr/message/601
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islamirama
12-14-2008, 05:15 AM
Indian Muslims and 'terrorism': Some searching questions



By Yoginder Sikand - 21 October 2008 - TwoCircles.net


Although the so-called mainstream Indian media carefully ignores this, enough evidence exists to suggest that at least some of the killer bomb blasts that have rocked various parts of India in recent years might not at all have been the handiwork of Islamist outfits or of Muslims seeking revenge for anti-Muslim violence, although they are inevitably blamed by intelligence agencies and the media for all such attacks. Because, despite their secular pretensions, influential sections of India's Hindu-owned, so-called mainstream media are deeply anti-Muslim, they maintain a stony silence on the possibility of Hindutva terrorist outfits being behind several such blasts, as has been alleged by many Muslim as well as secular human rights' organisations.





This is not to say that I do not agree that some fringe Muslim groups might be involved in some of these blasts. This might well be the case. In addition, the possibility of some hapless Muslim victims of Hindu terrorism, as in Gujarat, or of state terrorism taking to violence in revenge cannot be discounted. My point, however, is that at least some of this violence does not at all appear like the handiwork of Muslims to me, contrary to what the so-called mainstream Indian media would like us to believe.


The Hindu Right has, ever since its inception, consistently used terror as its major weapon for stirring up Hindu passions so as to cultivate a Hindu vote-bank. This has been particularly the case on the eve of major elections, as is the case today. Because the economic and political agenda of the Hindu Right is clearly antithetical to the interests of the vast majority of Indians, particularly the Dalits, Adivasis and Backward Castes, it has no other means of wooing these sections of society than by stoking anti-Muslim hatred. It would not be an exaggeration to say that anti-Muslim (and now, increasingly, anti-Christian) hatred is the major political plank of the Hindu Right. This has been the case from the very onset of the Hindutva political project. Thus, immediately after 1947, the Jan Sangh, the progenitor of the present-day BJP, took up with fiery passion such causes as Cow Protection and the abolition of the semi-autonomous status of Jammu and Kashmir in order to stir Hindu passions against Muslims and garner Hindu votes. The BJP followed in the same path, with its agitation against the Shah Bano judgment and its bloody campaign for the destruction of the Babri Masjid. Today, the issue of 'Muslim terrorism' is being deployed as the latest weapon in the Hindu Right's armoury to fan anti-Muslim hatred and consolidate its Hindu vote bank. Several cases of Hindutva activists being engaged in manufacturing bombs have come to light, and these might just be the tip of the iceberg.


It is thus quite possible that some Hindu extremist outfits might well be behind at least some of the blasts that India has witnessed in recent years, seeking, with the willing compliance of intelligence agencies and influential sections of the media, to portray these as the handiwork of 'radical Islamists'. After all, this entirely fits in with the agenda of the Hindu Right, for it provides it further ammunition in its anti-Muslim tirade. Following these blasts, anti-Muslim sentiments, even suspicion and hatred, have mounted, and this suits the Hindutva brigade admirably. The fact that such bomb blasts inevitably hurt Muslims by further intensifying anti-Muslim hatred might suggest that several of these blasts might not be the handiwork of Muslims after all, contrary to what the intelligence agencies and the media tell us. This suspicion is further reinforced by credible reports of numerous fake encounters, involving the intelligence agencies, the police and the supine and increasingly anti-Muslim media, in which perfectly innocent Muslim youths are picked up, branded as deadly 'terrorists' and incarcerated for years or even shot dead in cold blood.


In this regard, one must ask that if indeed all these blasts have been orchestrated by Muslim groups, that are said to have access to sophisticated technologies of destruction, why is it that most of them have been directed against 'soft' civilian targets (particularly in poor and lower-middle class areas) and not against more strategically 'important' installations, people, places or institutions? Then, again, the question arises and begs to be answered as to why, as the media alleges, a group such as the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) could indeed be behind all of these blasts if it is still seeking to get the ban that has been placed on it lifted, and has been consistently challenging successive orders of court tribunals that have recommended that the ban remain in place. Surely, plotting deadly blasts would in no way serve their effort to have the ban on them lifted.






Curiously, when the intrepid Tehelka reporter Ajit Sahi recently discovered that in not a single case involving ex-SIMI members could it be proved that they were involved in promoting terrorism, the mass media and the intelligence agencies suddenly shifted their attention to another group they claimed to have discovered, the Indian Mujahideen (IM), blaming it for numerous blasts. The fact remains, however, that there is no confirmed evidence to prove that any such outfit does exist, and going by the number of reportedly innocent people who have been said to be arbitrarily branded, arrested and even killed as alleged IM leaders and 'masterminds' it might be, as some have claimed, that the IM is a figment of the fertile and devious imagination of some media persons or intelligence agencies.


Several of the blasts that have occurred in recent years have occurred at largely Muslim locations. Why Muslim terror groups would attack Muslim places of worship or largely Muslim inhabitations, as the media and intelligence agencies have alleged in the case of blasts at the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad, the Ajmer Dargah, Delhi's Jamia Masjid, and in predominantly Muslim settlements in Malegaon and Modasa, Gujarat, needs to be answered. It is very likely that those behind these particular attacks were not Muslims at all. They might well have been some Hindutva outfits, although this the media, the police and the intelligence agencies have been loath to admit.


The noted historian Amaresh Mishra recently penned a piece which was widely circulated on the Internet suggesting that the hand of American intelligence agencies in some of these blasts cannot be ruled out. Some others have pointed to the possibility of the Israeli Mossad, working in tandem with some elements of the Indian intelligence, being behind them. This angle needs to be probed further. These forces seem to share a common vision, shaped by a shared anti-Muslim agenda. Engineering bomb blasts which the media willingly blames on Muslims and staging fake encounters of 'terrorists' involving Muslim youth might thus be a means for them to pursue this common purpose, and for further cementing the India-US-Israel axis.




The impact of the blasts and the developments that have followed on the Muslims of the country has been nothing short of devastating. Hundreds of Muslims have been rounded up, shoved into prisons, brutally tortured and even made to sign false forced 'confessions' of guilt. Numerous Muslim youths have been wrongly branded as 'terrorists' and shot dead. Across large parts of the country, Muslims live in constant fear, not knowing when they could be picked up by the police on any flimsy and cooked-up excuse.



Muslim organisations have been forced to divert their energies and resources to defending themselves from false accusations of promoting terrorism, and this is having a severely deleterious impact on their work of internal reform and development of the community. In the increasingly hostile anti-Muslim climate that is being deliberately created, the possibility of the state acting on its Constitutional obligations towards its Muslim citizens in terms of allocating them adequate resources for their development, as suggested by the authors of the government-appointed Sachar Commission Report, is becoming increasingly remote, and any such demand on the part of Muslims is bound to encounter even more stiff Hindu opposition than before. The fake branding of even well-qualified Muslims employed in top private sector jobs as 'terrorists' is bound to make it even more difficult for educated Muslims to gain jobs in this sector, in which, as it is, Muslims enjoy a very insignificant presence.


Just as most Muslims know that terrorism engaged in by fringe Islamist groups, by Muslim victims seeking revenge for Hindutva or state terrorism or by non-Muslim forces who seek to attribute this violence to Muslims, is deeply harming their community, Hindus, too, must realise that state terrorism and Hindutva-inspired terrorism directed against Muslims must ultimately backfire on Hindus as well in the long-run. For, hounding innocent Muslims in the name of countering terrorism, engaging in violence that is sought to be passed off as the handiwork of Muslims, fanning anti-Muslim hatred and violence and demonising the entire Muslim community, as the Hindu Right is engaged in, might force Muslims to the wall and threaten to engulf the entire country in the throes of interminable civil war. While radical Islamists and Hindutva terrorists might relish this horrifying prospect, this would spell doom for the vast majority of Indian Muslims and Hindus, who wish nothing more than to be left to lead their lives in peace.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/t...0&resizemode=4

http://www.twocircl es.net/2008oct21 /indian_muslims_ and_terrorism_ some_searching_ questions. html
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Woodrow
12-14-2008, 05:48 AM
It is true. Extremism by any group in India gets little world attention, unless it is attributed to Muslims.

What is the best way for us as Muslims to spread the truth about us?


Terrorism is one of the greatest enemies of Islam, no matter who does the act.
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islamirama
12-23-2008, 07:43 AM
Radical Hindu terror plot in unsolved bombings?



NEW DELHI: More arrests are expected in the coming weeks as the frightening dimensions of a radical Hindu terror plot start to unravel, with investigators indicating that it had the makings of a larger conspiracy and planning of reprisal killings of Muslims for serial bombings in a number of Indian cities.

Ten people, including a self-proclaimed Hindu seer and a serving lieutenant colonel, have so far been arrested for the Sep 29 bombing in a Muslim-dominated neighbourhood in the small Maharashtra town of Malegaon that killed five people. Investigators are now examining if a Hindu terror conspiracy was involved in several other blasts - like the one of the Samjhauta Express train in 2007 - that have till date remained unsolved.

The Anti-Terrorism Squad's (ATS) arrest of Mahant Amritanand Dev alias Dayanand Pandey, the self-styled pontiff from Kanpur, which investigators say is a "prize catch", has already revealed that it was under his instructions that Lt. Colonel Shrikant Purohit procured RDX from an army depot that was used in the Malegaon blast.

"Pandey was present in all the pre-blast meetings in Bhopal, Jabalpur and Faridabad, monitored operations meticulously and was also responsible for arranging the finances that came in through illegal channels," an ATS source told IANS.

Investigators are now questioning the suspects on the May 2007 blast at Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad, the attack on the Samjhauta Express train between India and Pakistan in February 2007 and the April 2006 twin blasts at New Delhi's Jama Masjid.

"Not much headway has been made into the investigations in these attacks. We need to examine if a similar radical Hindu fringe could have been behind these bombings and that is under the scanner now," said a senior intelligence official, who could not be named because of the sensitivity of his position.

“We could see more arrests in the coming days but that will depend on whether we can get sufficient evidence.”

It is believed that Pandey, a dropout from the National Defence Academy, was in touch with two other accused who are on the run - Ramji Kalsangara, who allegedly planted the motorcycle owned by the Hindu ascetic Pragya Singh Thakur in Malegaon, and Sameer Dange.

In the Mecca Masjid blasts as many as 14 people were killed and over 50 injured. The case was investigated by the city police special wing and was later handed over to the Central Bureau of Investigation which could not come to any conclusion. There were some remote indications of Bangladesh-based terror outfit Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami's involvement.

Investigations into the Samjhauta Express explosion, in which at least 68 people were killed, and the Jama Masjid blast also failed to make headway and police could not across on any tangible leads.
Police have already established a strong link between Pandey and some of the suspects in the Kanpur blast case through surveillance - on Aug 24, two members of the right-wing Bajrang Dal were killed there while assembling bombs.

“With his (Pandey) arrest we will now get to the bottom of this case and see if there are linkages as well in the 2006 Nanded blasts in Maharashtra,” said a senior police official.
Unearthing this terror network has indicated a major course correction for police, who had blamed Islamic terrorists for a wave of bombings that have killed more than 145 people targeting cities like Delhi, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Jaipur this year.

The arrests have reinforced growing suspicions over the last few years of a potential threat from Hindu extremists.
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Purohit+procured+60+kg+of+RDX+fro m+J&K:+ATS&artid=4RHqW7gZkxI=&SectionID=b7ziAYMenj w=&MainSectionID=b7ziAYMenjw=&SEO=Hindu,+terror,+ P urohith,+RDX&SectionName=pWehHe7IsSU=
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islamirama
12-23-2008, 08:02 AM
Hindu extremists behind Samjhauta, Ajmer blasts?

Saturday, November 15, 2008









Hindu extremists involved in Malegaon blasts may also be behind Ajmer and Samjhauta Express blasts, sources have told NDTV.

They say Aseemanand, Dayanand and Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur met at Shabari Kumbh at Dangs.

The group then began to meet regularly to plan attacks.

Police also suspect the group could be behind the Ajmer dargah blast in February 2007.

The man who planted Ajmer bomb was killed by the group. They may also be behind Samjhauta Express blast, sources say. Leaders of mainstream Hindutva groups were aware of their activities, they add.

The development comes even as Lt Colonel Prasad Purohit, the first serving Indian Army officer to be held in a terror-related case, has reportedly confessed to his role in the Malegaon blast during his narco-analysis test in Bangalore.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080072726
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islamirama
12-24-2008, 02:59 AM
Roots of Indian Terrorism

DR. ABDUL RUFF COLACHAL on 02 November, 2008
HINDUS breed terror seeds in order to terrorize and kill Muslims. Equipped with colossal weapons, India never seeks peaceful solutions. It wants to use force to coerce those who disagree with its colonial and imperialist drives. India has thus created a corpus of militant Hindus who are arrogant and seek terrorist means to settle issues. Kashmiris seek peaceful resolution of sovereignty issue, but India continues to add terror forces to occupied Jammu Kashmir and kill the defenseless Kashmiri Muslims. Yet, India claims to a secular democracy and seeks a UNSC seat to pursue its hidden agendas.

Like the USA, the world terrorist nation, India also off and on makes loud noises about the now famous “terrorism”, though of late it come refrained, for no reason, using the phrase “cross border terrorism. The intelligence wing with the help of essentially anti-Muslim Indian media is never tired of “tracking” the Muslims as “terrorism” causers. The paid media agents do churn out “interesting” stories about Muslim terrorists and how they were tracked and argue, quite convincingly, how important it is to finish off the Muslims in stock and barrel.

One of the major Hindu festival Divali (or Deepavali in the south India) has been, as usual celebrated, rather blasted, in all parts of India from Kanyakumari to Punjab and Haryana (Jammu Kashmir is an alien nation though presently under Indian military occupation and brutal control) in the usual fun and fair with a lot more noise pollution and atmosphere pollution, but also glorification of terrorism actions in a legally fitting matter.

Many a Hindu festival in India is marked by terrorism shows like loud crackers and semi explosives. Fascist tendencies are explicit on these occasions. Hindus expect Muslims to cooperate with Hindus in expressing solidarity with Hindu festivities by aggressively exploding semi-explosives. If it only Hindus blast explosives, it is one matter, but Muslims living among the Hindus also, for fear of onslaught form the Hindus if they also do not do same, for expressing their own terrorist instincts at part with fellow Hindus, waste quite a lot of money on “fire-works’ creating nuisance, pollutions, both noise and atmospheric, as well inconvenience to the moving public in streets and roads.

Inspired by terror based festivities, the Hindus make more powerful explosives to terrorize the nation.

It is strange that whenever India or Blue wing of Indian team inside India wins a match similar terrorism blasts do happen almost every where in India and this is done in a systematical manner and no an isolated phenomenon. This aggressive expression of joy at victory in a match takes very ugly form in many parts of India when Hindus blast bombs.

1. Indian Fascism

Ghastly destruction of Grand Babri Mosque remains the glaring specimen for the Indian and Hindu fascist culture, rather vulture culture. Hinduism, thus, has become a symbol of intolerance, terrorism, apart from being a major source of colonialism and imperialism.

In fact these explosives situation in India only showcases fascist trends in Hindu thinking. The attitude is very simple: “it is our country (read Hindus’) and we will do whatever we please and if you don’t want to tolerate us (read Indian democracy and secularism) then go to Pakistan ”. This has been the standard response from the Hindus to any Muslims who even silently resent such anti-social terrorist activities in the society in the name of festivities. Muslims have no ways to defend their freedom in India , imposing fascist attitudes on Muslims.

USA and India must foster tolerance through deliberate policies and efforts, because all societies are now essentially multi-ethnic. Indian text books must teach the children respect of each other, to respect Muslims as part of the society as equal citizens. But children are taught ills about other races and cultures. Muslims are not unwanted elements as the Indian media project them.

2. Islam, a peaceful Religion

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. But the world wants to make and see it a religion of “terrorism” and “fundamentalism” just like that. India wants to siphon off the resources form Muslims and take every fruit of development exclusively for Hindus. Hence they harass Muslims. Islamophofia is being successfully created around the world to generate hatred against Muslims and threaten their very existence. In countries where Muslims are in minority, such as India , USA and UK , Muslims are being ill-treated the worst possible ways and they are branded as “terrorists”, real or potential.

Evil of intolerance has been indeed on the increase in the so-called democracies. Intolerance to Islamic faith in a covert manner is being religious practiced not just in USA, UK and the rest of the West, but even in countries like Hindu India that make tall claims about their tolerance and what they practice in fact amount to contempt for tolerance. Muslims at global level still refused to combat this nasty phenomenon. The phenomenon has thus resulted crudely in the anti-Islamism projections the world over, causing death, genocide, violence, religious persecution as well as confrontations on different levels. While talking about tolerance, the global state machinery has been targeting on Muslims as its perceived enemy. Majority Indians, the Hindus, show disrespect to Muslims and expect total obedience to Hindus and their institutions, including culture. They expect Muslims to renounce Islamic rituals eventually and imbibe Hindu customs and practices in stead in due course.

3. Congress-BJP communal-terrorist Nexus

Under the sinister garb of "secular democracy" India has promoted Hindu terrorists in a hidden manner and these terrorists plant bombs in select places across the nation and Indian media-cum-intelligence-cum-police cleverly place the blame on Muslims, while “patriotic’ terror organizations, while RSS and Bajrang Dal continue to terrorize India . Indian governments, both central and state, intentionally hide the information about Hindu terrorist activities, though Indian intelligence agencies do supply the information to the government circles for “necessary actions".

The recent revelations in the Malegaon blasts put every ongoing blast investigation under a cloud and a question mark. Clearly, the police suppressed all the trails that led to Sangh outfits and BJP leaders – allowing these terrorists to roam free and contest and campaign in elections – while misleading the nation by framing innocents of a minority community. Is it not all too possible that this is happening in every single blast investigation?

Indian politics is communal. Congress has a very long communal history that goes back to 19th century when Indians were fighting for freedom form UK . It is not just BJP leaders, however, who are linked with the terrorist sadhvi. Pragya is a disciple of Swami Avadheshanand Giri: and her fellow disciples include Union HRD Minister and celebrated 'secular' figure Argon Singh and his son Ajay. The list of VVIPs, cutting across the political, executive and judiciary wings, could be too long, indeed! Ajay, head of the Congress campaign panel for the upcoming state polls in MP, rushed to deny Avadheshanand's links with Pragya. VHP is trying to make the world Hinduized.

Intelligence and policy pretend ignorance of the secret Hindu organizations engaged in terrorist activities in the country. The Governments at State and Centre did not know all along about the activities of hidden Hindu terrorist originations, especially the Bhonsala Military Academy, which has been openly holding arms training camps for Bajrang Dal terrorists/goons from all over the country. Blasts aside, how come such training camps for communal outfits were not deemed illegal and banned even as Bajrang Dal brigades repeatedly conducted anti-Muslim and anti-Christian violence?" The Congress and UPA Government is hoping to let the state machinery 'leak' out a tiny part of the truth about the involvement of Sangh outfits in terror, in order to get the upper hand in the elections. But we won't be satisfied with such scraps.

Known for it hidden agendas and terrorist activities in Jammu Kashmir, India does not ban Hindu extremist organizations even after Babri Mosque was pulled down by Hindu terrorists. Congress plays hidden tricks with BJP, while several Hindu organizations are connected Congress party just as they are close to BJP. Military, police and media are under the control of both of these parties. The nexus among all these Indian anti-Muslim components create terrorism and harm the national harmony and problems for innocent Muslims. Is it not a dangerous trend?

An Observation

Hindus derive a lot sadistic pleasures out of sufferings of Muslims both by promoting terrorism themselves and branding the Muslims as terrorists, while the hon. judiciary maintains silence as if the judges are deaf and dumps. Indian governments must ban the Hindu terrorist organizations, "social explosions" by Hindus disturbing social peace in the country, apart from causing serious climatic problems.

The terrorist instincts are inherent in Hindu mind. And this is indeed a very serious matter, because Hindus as the majority section of this predominately and predominately Hindu nation influence the Muslims in the country who for the sake of mere existence under the control of Hindus and their governments also and provoke them to engage themselves in terrorism activities. Political outfits run by Hindus incite violence by sung Muslims as henchmen.

Hindus terrorize Muslims and Muslims are also punished because the media and intelligence brand them as “terrorists”. India evades and violates human rights; but it tolerates the practice of tolerance against subjugation of Muslims by the state. It inversely advocates toleration of social injustice, the abandonment and weakening of one’s convictions. But tolerance means that one is free to adhere to one’s own convictions and accepts that others adhere to theirs. India is just opposed to this universal approach.

India must now admit that Hindus are terrorists and terrorize Indians and the entire region and kill the Muslims in Jammu Kashmir. India should not dream about justifying its terrorist activism by using USA , its newly found strategic partner with which it has been "nuclearily" flirting for quite some time. Time is up for India to go through introspection and remedial measures for itself, its media and police, military and other variety of security services. Indian security forces are making the life of Muslims more and more insecure.

Dr. Abdul Ruff Colachal is an independent researcher in international affairs. He can be reached at abdulruff_jnu@yahoo.com

http://www.dailymuslims.com/ISSUES/M...sm-------.html
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wth1257
12-24-2008, 03:02 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
They need to fly a plane into a skyscraper before many will notice them.
The bias was persistant before september 11th.
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islamirama
12-25-2008, 03:28 AM
Christians in Orissa Fear Violent Christmas

Dec 4th, 2008

Hindu extremists move to stop yuletide celebrations as suffering in Kandhamal continues.

NEW DELHI, December 3 (Compass Direct News) -- Christians in Orissa state are anticipating Christmas with fear as Hindu extremists have called for a state-wide bandh, or forced shut-down on all sectors of society, on Dec. 25 - a move that could provide Hindu extremists the pretext for attacking anyone publicly celebrating the birth of Christ.

Last year one of the area’s worst spates of violence came during the Christmas season.

The state’s chief minister has said there should be no such shut-down but stopped short of prohibiting the Hindu extremists’ plan. The federal government has expressed its disapproval of the proposal, but the Hindu extremist umbrella organization Sangh Parivar has vowed to press ahead with the shut-down, reported newspaper Outlook India on Nov. 20.

Though such shut-downs were declared illegal by India’s Supreme Court in 1998, the president of the Laxmanananda Saraswati Condolence Society (SLSSS) sent a threatening notice to the Orissa government on Nov. 15, warning that the Hindu extremist group would impose a bandh on Christmas unless the state government arrested those who murdered Hindu leader Laxmanananda Sararawati on Aug. 23.

A Maoist group on Sept. 1 admitted killing Saraswati and four of his aides, and police on Oct. 6 confirmed that Maoists killed them, but the Hindu extremist Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council or VHP) has continued to blame local Christians for the assassinations, stoking anti-Christian sentiment that led to a wave of violent attacks for more than two months. At least 500 people, mostly Christians, were estimated to have been killed, according to a report by a Communist Party fact-finding team, and at least 4,500 houses and churches in Orissa’s Kandhamal district were destroyed.

Ratnakar Chaini, president of the SLSSS, has demanded the release of Hindu leaders arrested in connection with the killing of Christians in the violence following the assassination of Saraswati.

In a massive rally in Delhi on Nov. 15, Chaini called for the shut-down in order to ensure “a completely peaceful Christmas.”

The general secretary of the Christian Legal Association (CLA) took the Hindu extremist’s comment as sarcasm.

“How can they have a peaceful Christmas if there is a bandh?” Tehmina Arora told Compass. “There can be no celebration, no going out the house also. So there can be no question of peace.”

Inflammatory speeches at the rally by Chaini and other Hindu extremists against Christianity and its leaders in India led Christians to believe the shut-down would serve as the pretext for another spate of violence against those publicly celebrating the holiday.

The Hindu extremists’ rally also included pledges that all Christian converts would be “re-converted” to Hinduism.

“If Hindus decided to take on anyone to protect our religion and culture, then nothing can stop us,” Chaini said. “Unchecked conversions by churches would be opposed with tooth and nail.”

The Sangh Parivar, including the state unit of the VHP, said in a press statement that the government has been shielding those guilty of murdering Saraswati.

Prohibition Demanded

Archbishop of Cuttack-Bhubaneswar Raphael Cheenath told Compass that the intention of the Hindu nationalists in calling the shut-down was malicious and done for political advantage – a way of garnering tribal peoples’ support for Hindu nationalist candidates by setting up Christians as disobedient trouble-makers.

“If the government allows the bandh to take place on Christmas Day, it will mean that they are allowing more attacks and violence against the Christians,” said Archbishop Cheenath.

Violence has broken out against Christians on previous shut-downs in Kandhamal district.

“There is a great deal of apprehension, because it was on previous bandhs that there have been attacks against the Christian community,” said Arora of the CLA. “The district collector informed us that they were taking strong steps to ensure that the bandh would not be taking place. Unless the district collector and state administrator take serious steps to see that it is not enforced, it would again be a violent attack against the Christian community.”

Orissa church authorities headed by Archbishop Cheenath met a team of visiting government ministers on Nov. 19. Subsequently Christian leaders delivered a memorandum demanding the proposed shut-down be prohibited as illegal. The memorandum demanded the state punish the people and organizations involved in such activities.

The team of central government ministers visiting riot-hit areas on Nov. 19 advised the state chief minister to ensure that there be no shut-down on Christmas Day. Finding the Kandhamal situation tense and Christians fearful, the team leader, Union Agriculture Minister Sharah Pawar, said they requested Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik to see that the shut-down on Christmas Day does not take place.

“We don’t understand why Christmas was chosen for calling the bandh,” Pawar told Outlook India. “Agitation should not be allowed on major festival days like Diwali [a Hindu festival], Christmas and Chhath [a Muslim festival].”

Stating that the minority community is under tremendous pressure because of such a threat, Pawar reportedly said the need of the hour is to restore normalcy in the riot-affected areas.

“We have requested Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik to make efforts to stop such a bandh on Dec. 25, a major festival day,” Pawar told reporters after meeting with Patnaik.

Patnaik later said, “There should not be a bandh on Dec. 25,” but he made no appeal to the Sangh Parivar to refrain from the Christmas Day shut-down.

Church leaders also requested the ministers pressure the state government to put a halt to Hindu extremists forcing Christians, under threat of death, to convert to Hinduism. Christians are allowed to live in the district only if they became Hindu, they said.

Deaths Continue in Orissa

A Christian woman who had fled Hindu extremist violence was killed on Nov. 25 after leaving a relief camp to harvest her paddy.

Lalita Digal, 45, was murdered in Dobali village, Kandhamal district, where she was staying with a friend, reported the Evangelical Fellowship of India (EFI). She had returned to the village on Nov. 21. On Nov. 25 she was allegedly dragged from the house and murdered. No arrest had been made at press time, according to EFI.

The state administration has forced people to leave relief camps even though they have no homes to return to, according to a local Christian body. Representatives of the Kandhamal Christian Jankalyan Samaj (KCJS) said at a press conference this week that threats continue from Hindu nationalists demanding that frightened Christians “re-convert” to Hinduism.

Conditions at the camps remain poor. At Daringbadi camp, Leunsio Digal died on Nov. 24 due to lack of proper medication, EFI reported. He had been suffering a fever for a week without access to medications to alleviate it. Digal had served as catechist for 25 years at Simonbadi parish, in the archdiocese of Cuttack- Bhubaneswar.

On Nov. 22, Orissa police fired at two Christians in Kandhamal’s border village of Kutunniganda, killing one and severely injuring another, according to the Global Council of Indian Christians (GCIC).

Junesh Badaraita died on the spot. The injured Karnel Badaraita later told a television station that they were searching for lost cattle with a flashlight when police fired at them.

Police were combing the area in their hunt for a Naxalite (Maoists or Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries) Training Camp. Under Inspector-in-Charge Narbada Kiro, they reportedly fired at the two Christians from a distance of 350 meters.

Police claimed that the two Christians were Naxalites, though villagers refuted this assertion. In protest, the agitated villagers blocked a public road and kept government officials from arriving at their offices in the area.

At press time, the district administrator promised compensation to the family of the deceased and suspended the squad in charge, said the GCIC.

http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/india-christians-in-orissa-fear-violent-christmas-17325/
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Aqeel Ahmed
12-25-2008, 04:28 AM
:sl:
As the title stats, Hinduism has no messanger, or one god that will define Hinduism as a true religion. The 3 main religions now are Islam, Sikh and Christianity.
:sl:
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islamirama
12-27-2008, 06:42 PM
Real Terrorists :

Mr.Modi and his Government massacred hundreds of Muslims in Gujarat, India. Disturbing undercover evidence reveals a cadre of politicians; lawyers and police may have behind the events...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EwWKBH...rat%3A_Getting
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9lGhUy14vjo


India: A crime against humanity in Gujarat and state government's complicity

http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mai...3statement/88/
http://www.coalitionagainstgenocide....r2005.modi.pdf
http://www.alrc.net/pr/mainfile.php/2004pr/47/



The BJP is at it again: changing its position every few hours and trying to get political mileage out of the tragedy at Mumbai.
  • LK Advani did not accompany the PM to Mumbai, after having agreed on it
  • The party inserted ads seeking votes in the name of terror attacks
  • Modi turns up in Mumbai to be in front of the cameras; it has been reported that the terrorists supposedly started their journey from Por bunder, Gujarat.
  • Pramod Mutalik, a Hindutva activist from Karnataka has said that Hemant Karkare, Chief of ATS was killed by the terrorists due to the curse of Sadhwi Pragya. Shocking.

More @ http://peaceprogress.wordpress.com/

NOW COMES THE STARTLING FACT--KARKARE WAS KILLED BY A 9 MM BULLET--WHICH COULD NOT HAVE COME FROM AK-47 OR 56! WHERE IS HIS POST-PARTUM REPORT?

http://www.unnindia.com/english/story.php?Id=3676

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islamirama
12-29-2008, 01:12 AM
British news:

How Hindu extremist Terrorists get funds from UK

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GZEQYktSzKM
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islamirama
12-29-2008, 06:10 PM
India’s forgotten massacre

By Harsh Mander

A lifetime is much too short to forget.

It was Nov. 26, 2008, the day that was to become etched in India’s history for the audacious and traumatic terrorist commando attack on the country’s commercial capital Mumbai. I happened to be on that day at a location as distant as possible from Mumbai — psychologically, politically and socially — at Nellie in Assam, the site of one of free India’s most brutal forgotten massacres in 1983.

I had been invited by the survivors to sit with them as they recalled and commemorated the events that had unfolded in this distant impoverished corner of the country 25 years earlier.

Journey into the past

We gathered in the soft sunshine of early winter in an open courtyard. A crowd quickly gathered: the older men with checked lungis and beards could easily be distinguished as people of East Bengali Muslim origin.
The women and younger men dressed like anyone from an Assamese village. There were the initial courtesies of traditional welcome, as they offered us customary white Assamese scarves with exquisite red embroidery.

Senior officials of the State government who accompanied me had gently dissuaded me from the visit, questioning the wisdom of re-opening wounds of painful events of such a distant past. People have moved on long ago, they assured me. What purpose then would our visit serve? It would only revive memories that have long been buried.

The same advice came from many non-official friends who worked in development organizations in the State. They added that the visit would stir issues that were too bitterly contested in the region. But the survivors persisted in their resolve that they wanted to be heard. It was impossible for me to refuse them.

Enormous suffering

On February 18, 1983, in the genocidal massacre organized in Nellie, just 40 km from Guwahati , 2,191 Muslim settlers originally from Bangladesh were slaughtered, leaving 370 children orphaned and their homes in 16 villages destroyed.

As the survivors spoke one by one before our gathering a quarter century later, all of us who heard them — including officials, academics, social workers — were completely stunned, and shamed, by the enormity and immediacy of their suffering today, which retained an urgency as though they had only very recently suffered the unspeakable cruelties that they gave words to, not 25 years earlier.

The bodies of many were twisted and deformed by inadequately treated injuries from the assaults by machetes and daggers; others pulled back their clothes to expose frightening scars of the attacks of a generation earlier.

Hazara Khatun, with scars of a dagger attack on her face that she survived in 1983, sat on the ground before us and pointed to her empty lap. “I was cradling my child here”, she said in a low voice.

“They chopped him into two, down the middle”. Another widow Alekjaan Biwi, was far less calm. Her body was twisted, and we could all see that she had lost her psychological equilibrium. Eleven members of her family were slaughtered in the massacre, and she acted out for us how the mob had attacked them, how she had cowered and hidden herself, how she was discovered and wounded, and how she survived even though scarred and deformed for life. “I have no one in the world,” she concluded quietly.

Deluge of grief

In his early thirties, Mohammed Monoruddin began to cry inconsolably as soon as he sat before us. “My brothers, sisters were all killed, hacked into pieces,” he recalled. “I was seven-years-old then. I saw my parents slaughtered in front of me. I saw another woman being killed and her child snatched from her hands and thrown in fire.

I wept in terror all day. The CRPF came in the evening and rescued me. Later we came to know that our house was torched. Nothing was left. All our belongings and stores of rice were gone in the fire. My elder brother, who was in Nagaon, brought me up. But I feel so lonely.”

Many others spoke of their loneliness. Noon Nahar Begum was 10 -years-old, and when the killings started, she tried to run away but was attacked and badly wounded.

She was hospitalized for two months, and her mother and four siblings were murdered. “They were butchered here in the place where we are standing today,” she said, adding: “I have found no peace of mind for the last 25 years. I need justice for my peace. Justice is important because it was such a terrible crime. I feel lonely and miss my family…” Babool Ahmad, a tailor, was two years old when he lost his parents.

He was brought up by his grandparents, whereas his sisters were raised in an SOS village.

And so the stories flowed, like a deluge of muddied waters of grief — long unaddressed and denied — gushing from a breached dam. The forgotten massacre in Nellie in 1983 established a bloody trail of open State complicity in repeated traumatic bouts of ethnic cleansing and massacres both in Assam and in India. It was followed by similar State-enabled carnages, in Delhi in 1984, Bhagalpur in 1989, Mumbai in 1993 and climaxed in Gujarat in 2002.

Series of incidents

Assam in turn has seen a series of violent ethnic clashes between various oppressed communities, each bitterly and ferociously ranged against other ethnic groups which may be as dispossessed, if not more so.

The accord brokered by government with militant Bodos in 1993 assured them autonomous control over regions where their population was in a majority. The government therefore itself laid the foundations for ethnic cleansing.

Bengali Muslims were driven out of their settlements by murderous attacks and the torching of their homes in 1993, and this scenario was repeated for Santhal and Munda tribals (called Adivasis) — many of whom are descendants of tea garden labour imported by the British two centuries ago — in 1996.

Thousands of them continue to languish today in camps, some for 15 years, as they are still terrified to return home. Assam remains a tinder box of ethnic hatred, with recent attacks on Bihari migrant labour, Jharkhand agitators in Guwahati, bomb explosions and recent clashes between Bodos and Bengali Muslims this year, which left many dead and thousands in camps seething with hate.

The worth of lives

The government gave the survivors of Nellie compensation for each death of as little as 5,000 rupees, contrasted for instance with Rs. 7 lakhs (seven hundred thousand) that have been paid to survivors of the Sikh carnage of a year later in 1984. 688 criminal cases were filed in connection with Nellie’s organized massacre and of these 310 cases were charge-sheeted.

The remaining 378 cases were closed due to the police claim of “lack of evidence.”

But all the 310 charge-sheeted cases were dropped by the AGP government as a part of Assam Accord; therefore not a single person has even had to face trial for the gruesome massacre. Some lives are clearly deemed by the State of being of little worth compared to others.

The Mumbai terrorist attack of 2008 has witnessed an upsurge of understandable public anger, because a partisan and weak State leaves each of us unsafe. But States have long failed abjectly and shamefully to protect ordinary citizens and uphold justice.

The lives lost in Mumbai’s Taj Hotel are precious. But the lives extinguished in distant hamlets of Nellie — and indeed the streets of Delhi, Bhagalpur, Gujarat and Malegoan — are no less valuable.

A day must come when our rage and our compassion responds equally to each of these tragedies. We can be safe only by standing — and caring — together. – The Hindu

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=20081219246 02

Those reading Mr Harsh Mander's article on Nellie might find the folllowing link as good additional information. The link is to my book- 25 years on ...Nellie still haunts- on google books. I along with two other journalists were eyewitness to the part of the mayhem on the fateful day.
The book was released by Mr Kuldip Nayyar and Mr K P S Gill (one of the IGs of Assam in 1983 on Feb.18 this year ie exactly 25 years of the tragedy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=UGv...ntsec=titlepag
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islamirama
12-30-2008, 09:59 PM
The Tragedy of Indian Muslims
by Areeba Ali (indian newspaper feature writer)


The point that I am trying to make is not the demonizing of Muslims in Indian movies...but the rather tragic image that Non-Muslims in India (Hindus, Sikhs and Jains) have of Muslims.

Yesterday, I watched the Indian movie 'Tere Naam'- a tragic love story where two people deeply in love with each other couldn't 'live happily ever after' because the girl commits suicide. The hit film starred popular actor Salman Khan.

The girl in the film commits suicide and the boy is beaten up by some goons. As a result his brain is badly damaged and he becomes 'mad'. The doctors try hard to get him back to his normal self but to no avail. The boy's family, in a desperate effort to treat him, sends him to an ashram where he is in the custody of some priests. But actually, all hope dies and the family believes that their boy isn't going to get well and has become a permanent vegetable. The girl, because of this unfortunate reality and because of her love for him, commits suicide (so that she isn't married to another man). The saddest part is that the boy actually recovers after her death. But seeing that girl he loved so much is no longer alive, he decides to spend the rest of his life in the ashram.

The goons who had beaten up the boy in the movie were shown to be Muslims (they are shown wearing the traditional skullcaps and Arabian red-checked scarves) who abduct or lure Hindu Brahmin women into prostitution.

The point that I am trying to make is not the demonizing of Muslims in Indian movies...but the rather tragic image that Non-Muslims in India (Hindus, Sikhs and Jains) have of Muslims.

I had lived for the first time in my life in a hostel in Delhi where I was the only Muslim girl among Hindu girls. The hostel was situated in a very posh locality of Delhi and the girls were from educated well-to-do families. I had stayed there from July 2001-June 2002. During that period, 9/11 and then the Godhra train carnage (Feb 2002) had taken place.

After 9/11, when USA launched the war on terrorism and began its offensive in Afghanistan, the girls in my hostel were celebrating. Their faces were blossoming with happiness and glee.



After 9/11, when USA launched the war on terrorism and began its offensive in Afghanistan, the girls in my hostel were celebrating. Their faces were blossoming with happiness and glee. My hostel warden (who was our two-years senior) even said 'Ab to Islam down ho jayega ('Now Islam will go down'). When the first reports of Afghan civilian casualties came in newspapers, the girls would say 'Bas,itne hi log mare?'('Only these many people died?'). When I countered that Afghans are also humans and are innocent, they shot back 'Nobody is innocent in Afghanistan' and 'Why are they living in that country...they should have left long ago. It's their fault that they are living there and are thus being attacked'. One girl was so pathetically ignorant, she said.' America is not killing anybody in Afghanistan'.

But all this didn't hurt me much. I actually expected such reactions. What really hurt me was what happened between February 2002- May 2002. It made me decide to leave the hostel and move to a Muslim-dominated area.

On February 27th, I was out the whole day and had not watched or read news. At night, I got an SMS from my dad, which said 'Keep a low profile'. I was puzzled. I called him up. He told me to watch the news on TV and not to go out anywhere except to college. I had gone to the mess after the phone call, to watch TV. Nobody was there. I put on Star News. And I saw that it had begun- the genocide of Muslims in Gujarat.

A wave of massacre began after Muslims allegedly burned 58 Hindus alive in a train at Godhra in Gujarat (which later proved to be false). More than 2000 Muslims were killed and tens of thousands left homeless and turned into refugees in their own country. And the worst victims of the genocide were Muslim women---they were stripped and paraded naked, gang-raped, their fetuses were burned alive in front of them.

I visited the websites of Hindu terrorist organizations (though they aren’t deemed ‘terrorist’ in India) like Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parishad and Rashtriya Swamsevak Sangh.



For the first time in my life, I had stopped reading the newspapers. I couldn't read all that was happening. Television was of course, a no-no at that time.

And what actually moved me to tears is that my Hindu friends justified the genocide. Every hour of the day, they would taunt me. They would say your Muslim brothers abduct Hindu women and rape them, so they deserve the same. I would try to explain them. But I was one. And they were around 30. I was defenseless. And they were an army. They wouldn't listen.

I had gone on a hunt for a new home in a Muslim-dominated area of Delhi. And luckily, found a really good accommodation there. I wanted to find out why do Hindus thinks of Muslims the way they do and why were Muslim women being targeted in the Gujarat massacre. For this, I visited the websites of Hindu terrorist organizations (though they aren’t deemed ‘terrorist’ in India) like Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parishad and Rashtriya Swamsevak Sangh. I was appalled by what I read on those websites. I don't even want to type what I read--it was that disgusting. I can just sum up that it was distortion of history--where Muslims have been disgustingly accused of raping Hindu and Sikh women during their 600-years rule and the partition.

These Hindu organizations run schools all over the country. They enroll generally children from middle-class Hindu families. And right from the tender age of 5 or 6,they poison their minds against Muslims. And teach them to do what they did to Muslim women in Gujarat.

They are told to inspire doctors and chemists to give spurious medicines to Muslims, especially pregnant Muslims so that their fetuses die.



I managed to get a pamphlet from the Bajrang Dal office in Delhi. It is actually a set of instructions for the Bajrang Dal workers. Nowhere on that pamphlet is the word ‘Muslim’ mentioned. Rather the word ‘Mlecha’ is repeated again and again. ‘Mlecha’ comes from ‘malich’, which means ‘dirty’ in Hindi. It is a derogatory term used to describe Muslims. The Bajrang Dal workers are instructed to have illegal sexual relationship with Muslim women. They are also encouraged to marry Muslim women (incidentally, I have seen a lot of educated Muslim girls marrying Hindu guys over the past two-three years) They are told to inspire doctors and chemists to give spurious medicines to Muslims, especially pregnant Muslims so that their fetuses die.

The ugly reality is that Hindus have been fed, over centuries, with false propaganda about Muslims. This propaganda has been unfortunately fueled by events like the creation of Pakistan in 1947 and the ongoing Kashmir dispute.

Whatever Pakistan says or does, whatever the militants in Kashmir say or do, it is the Indian Muslims who have to pay the price. And sadly, when Muslims were being butchered in Gujarat, not a single Muslim nation raised voice against India except Pakistan. The only other nations who ‘expressed concern’ were USA and Western European nations like the UK.

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And sadly we have some indian muslims on this forum who in their brainwashed mentality defend there HINDUstan and parrot shamelessly the same lines their hindu masters preach in their hindu bollywood movies.
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 01:15 AM
To be a muslim in india


Whenever India talks about its Muslims, Shahrukh Khan, Aamir Khan or Mohammad Azharduddin are mentioned. This despite the fact that they do not represent a typical Indian Muslim. Still, the few success stories that there are of Muslim bureaucrats, politicians, cricketers and film stars, are projected to the world as Indian secularism in practise. I was able to see things for myself on a recent trip to India.

My interest in exploring the subject of how Muslims fare in India was fuelled by my friends from the fashion industry who visit India on regular basis. And who hold that Muslims don't have a bad deal. If that is true, I thought, why have Pakistan? Why did we fight for a separate country? And why don't we become one again? These were the questions nagging my mind when I set off to celebrate Eid in India. I spent my first few days meeting well-to-do Muslims. From film stars to politicians, most sounded like thoroughly patriotic Indians, once they discovered my origin. I could see why these people were the envy of my friends back home. They were exactly like us, they had the freedom to practise their religion as they saw fit, with the proviso that they had much more freedom and much more fun than we have here in Pakistan. But, I asked myself, are up-market Indian Muslims representative of the majority of Muslims in India? No, they are not, just as we are not representative of our majority here in Pakistan.

Clearly, my friends so enamoured of the liberties Indian Muslims enjoy had never gone past the nightclubs and private parties to meet the dirt poor Muslims of the stinking streets around Delhi's Jama Masjid. I was determined that for me it would be it a true voyage of discovery. First, I went to Jaipur where my rickshaw driver took me to a Muslim locality where my co-religionists had poured in from adjoining areas looking for work. It was here that I heard tale after tale of how Indian Muslims love and cheer Pakistan's cricket team or how Imran Khan and Wasim Akram are bigger heroes for them than Kapil Dev and Tendulkar. I was also told some gory details of how Muslims suffered during and after the Babri Mosque crisis. A few statements were unforgettable. As soon as someone found out that I was from Pakistan, I was told that I had come from the home country: "Aap tau hamaray mulk say aye hain".

An old woman whose two daughters and a grandson had married into Hindu families told me, "You (Pakistanis) don't value freedom. You don't know what a blessing it is to live in Muslim societies. At least when your daughter runs away with a boy you are assured that he would be a Muslim. Here we live in constant fear that Muslim girls and boys will marry outside the faith". Having regaled me with her tale of woe, she proceeded to condemn Hrithik Roshan's marriage to a Muslim girl, Suzanne Khan, and was violently opposed to Salman Khan dating Ashwariya Rai. Here was the first difference between the Muslim elites of India and ordinary folk.

My next stop was Lucknow, where my host and I went to participate in a cultural event. In the middle of that event I was whisked away to see the famous sites of Lucknow. Amongst them were the famous Jamia Masjid, A beautiful Imambara next to it and the palace of Wajid Ali Shah. It was on one of these excursions that I met a local Muslim family who were "frightened" of the "hatred" they felt which was building up in India's underbelly against Muslims. "Why is it that every Indian movie or a music video will always feature a Muslim girl and a Hindu boy? Why can't Muslim men be shown dating Hindu girls?" In the past, one of my interlocuters said, Muslim actors had had to change their names to Hindu ones in order to be successful -- Yusuf Khan became Dilip Kumar, Nasim became Madhubala -- and now he said a director could not risk making a film with a Muslim boy and a Hindu girl as hero and heroine respectively. He gave examples of the films that had worked at the box office: "Bombay", "Fizza" and "Zubaida" -- all with Muslim heroines and Hindu heroes.

I was in Delhi for Eid and went to the famous Jamia Masjid for my prayers. It was so like Karachi, it was uncanny. The men were in their tight fitted pajamas, churidars, whereas the women hid colourful finery beneath black burqas. There were open sales of meat and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's qawwalis were being played at a deafening pitch. This was the Chandni Chowk area with a strong Muslim population. My non-Muslim hosts called it "mini-Pakistan". Most Muslim families I met there had relatives in Pakistan and a few of them even had the Pakistani flag inside their houses. I wonder if any of Pakistan's minorities could fly the flag of a foreign country, especially India, within their homes?

In Chandni Chowk, I was eagerly met and regaled with the things they liked about my country: Omar Sharif's stage plays and Shahid Afridi thrashing the Indian bowling attack. The serious talk began when I was told about police brutalities upon Muslims during search operations. I was shown scars of wounds on a few young men arrested they said, "for betting on the Pakistan cricket team". Next I visited some Muslim homes which had been burnt down during the Ayodhya crisis. The police had stood by when mobs attacked, they said.

On my last night in India, I decided that I would not go out but sit back and think about all that I had seen. The Muslim elite is protected and pampered as are elites here in Pakistan. They live mostly in the big cities, I could not see that there were any significant number of Muslim landed elites. This, I suppose, is because India implemented a thorough land reform, unlike Pakistan. So those Muslims that have made it good in India have done so my dint of their own hard work. They have been able to rise through the ranks and credit for that must go to the system of education that was available to them.

The Muslims that stayed aloof from the mainstream have become steadily more disenfranchised, steadily more powerless, and poorer. Are they themselves to be blamed for their pitiable state? Or is the Indian state to blame? It is a bit of both. A feeling of discrimination exists amongst a majority of Indian Muslims and the state has not been able to foster confidence in its policies. Equally, Indian Muslims hanker after a glorious past but are not prepared to change their ways to alter their abysmal present. Muslim icons Shabana Azmi and Dilip Kumar advocate that all Muslims educate their children, and plan their families. But their voices don't go far and the underprivileged Muslims of India continue to wallow in poverty, much like the Muslims of Pakistan.

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Truth about Bollywoodhttp://www.youtube.com/v/wy-gLNSbU88
Bollywood Badboyzhttp://www.youtube.com/v/S2-Sk0KdbXc&rel=1
Kashmir - The whole Truthhttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-1348259777892284067&hl=en

Final Solution - Massacres in Indiahttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3829364588351777769&hl=en



We Muslims give them money for these atrocities by spending on indian movies and merchandise. Worldwide Musilms should be banning these Indian unislamic & antislamic products.
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justahumane
01-01-2009, 11:34 AM
And sadly we have some indian muslims on this forum who in their brainwashed mentality defend there HINDUstan and parrot shamelessly the same lines their hindu masters preach in their hindu bollywood movies.
More sadly we have some so-called muslims on this forum who shamelessly defend a Nation who is responsible for devastating a whole muslim nation.
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doorster
01-01-2009, 12:03 PM
I hope this crappy thread gets closed soon (before the autopsy of east and west Pakistan is carried out) and indira's dreams --of annihilating whole of Pakistan (with help of traitors from within Pakistan) only partially succeeding-- are exposed. may she long be roasted along with yayah khan, bhuto and Mojib!
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justahumane
01-01-2009, 02:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
I hope this crappy thread gets closed soon (before the autopsy of east and west Pakistan is carried out) and indira's dreams --of annihilating whole of Pakistan (with help of traitors from within Pakistan) only partially succeeding-- are exposed. may she long be roasted along with yayah khan, bhuto and Mojib!
Brother I was talking about Afganistan and not east or west Pakistan this time. But U can well continue cursing Indra or anyone else. Will ALLAH listen?
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doorster
01-01-2009, 02:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane
Brother I was talking about Afganistan and not east or west Pakistan this time.
Thank you for clearing that up, each time I am reminded of that calamity of 70s I become ill and a bit emotional

:peace:
But U can well continue cursing Indra or anyone else. Will ALLAH listen?
On Dec 18, 1971, after having midwifed the birth of Bangladesh Indira Gandhi triumphantly yelled: "We have avenged 1,000 years of history." Since you clearly lack sympathy for plight of Muslims under her rule, do you think that she will not be answerable for en masse sterilization of Indians which included lower caste Hindus too? and what about mass murders of Khalisa?
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justahumane
01-02-2009, 10:52 AM
On Dec 18, 1971, after having midwifed the birth of Bangladesh Indira Gandhi triumphantly yelled: "We have avenged 1,000 years of history." Since you clearly lack sympathy for plight of Muslims under her rule, do you think that she will not be answerable for en masse sterilization of Indians which included lower caste Hindus too? and what about mass murders of Khalisa?
Brother what do U mean by plight of muslims under her rule? What wrong she did to muslims while in office? And sterlization did happened and she paid the price for that in 1977 general elections. How ALLAH is going to judge her is not my task to predict. About mass murdur of sikhs(Khalisa as u wrote) it happened right after her assasination, so she cant be held guilty for that act of violence. But that massacre will remain as a blot on India's face just like Gujrat massacre.

See brother, I dont belong to the schood of thought which preaches hatred. Be it for muslims or any other community or sect. U can see right here on this thread that a brother is busy in promoting sense of hatred for hindus by quoting some bad actions of handfull (or bit more) of hindus. In fact he is cut from the same cloth of Bajrang Dal, RSS, VHP, BJP mentality. They spread hatred against muslims by quoting misdeeds of some muslims, and they have their first cousins in muslim community who do exactly same things like them against hindus. So their slogan is very much the same. U ARE BAD COZ U ARE A MUSLIM/HINDU.

These so called muslims turn a blind eye when millions of muslims are massacred in Darfur, but when they hear news of some muslims being killed by non-muslims only their tear glands gets activated. Dont U feel that they will be answerable for their pathetic behaviour? and for spreading hatred in the name of Islam, which is itself the religion of peace and love?

Brother history tells us that more muslims have been killed by muslims themselves than non muslims. Its time that U guys realize that enemy of Islam and muslims are from amongst U ppls only. A word for the wise is enough.
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doorster
01-02-2009, 11:28 AM
Brother what do U mean by plight of muslims under her rule? What wrong she did to muslims while in office? And sterlization did happened and she paid the price for that in 1977 general elections. How ALLAH is going to judge her is not my task to predict. About mass murder of Sikhs(Khalisa as u wrote) it happened right after her assasination, so she cant be held guilty for that act of violence. But that massacre will remain as a blot on India's face just like Gujrat massacre.
east Pakistan; In my original post, I mentioned roasting of 1 hindu indira & 3 "Muslim" traitors
See brother, I don't belong to the school of thought which preaches hatred. Be it for Muslims or any other community or sect.
So says you
by quoting some bad actions of handfull (or bit more) of Hindus.
again so says you but in reality, mere shadow of a muslim can make a hindu home unclean and it does not become pure again until after it has been scrubbed clean with cow excreta, in other words we are regared dirtier than cow crap
U can see right here on this thread that a brother is busy in promoting sense of hatred for hindus by quoting some bad actions of handfull (or bit more) of Hindus. In fact he is cut from the same cloth of Bajrang Dal, RSS, VHP, BJP mentality. They spread hatred against Muslims by quoting misdeeds of some Muslims, and they have their first cousins in Muslim community who do exactly same things like them against Hindus. So their slogan is very much the same. U ARE BAD COZ U ARE A MUSLIM/HINDU.
I could not agree more, I've been trying to get him removed for years, You should have seen what he posted in this thread yesterday, He enjoys hatred, when we had a chance of survival with Musharraf in-charge, this fellow was preaching terrorism against us in Pakistan, now when America has installed their own man in Pakistan, Islamirama has turned towards India (which I have no kind of love for but I did have a desire for vengeance in form of a strong Pakistan that India will never again try to turn back into united Hindustan).

Regarding mass murders of Sikhs being outside her responsibility due to her having been sent to her reward in hades, prior to the killings, what was the catalyst for that? pray tell what caused her bodyguard to turn on her?
These so called muslims turn a blind eye when millions of Muslims are massacred in Darfur, but when they hear news of some muslims being killed by non-muslims only their tear glands gets activated. Dont U feel that they will be answerable for their pathetic behaviour? and for spreading hatred in the name of Islam, which is itself the religion of peace and love?

Brother history tells us that more muslims have been killed by muslims themselves than non muslims. Its time that U guys realize that enemy of Islam and muslims are from amongst U ppls only. A word for the wise is enough.
I will comment on this later after having consulted with a site admin
Ya brother, assisting Americans in devastating Afghanistan is indeed not nice on part of Pakistan, the only country formed in the name of Islam.
and please don't get me started on that or darfur, or I will get in to bother with mods. However you can look up some of my old posts to see what I think of and know about Afghan Muslims, who, for a long time had India and Iran as their masters until the Soviets arrived
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alcurad
01-02-2009, 11:52 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane
history tells us that more muslims have been killed by muslims themselves than non muslims
I find that hard to believe, sources?
and Pakistan being formed on 'religion alone' makes it a very fragile state. what's done is done though..
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justahumane
01-02-2009, 12:44 PM
which I have no kind of love for but I did have a desire for vengeance in form of a strong Pakistan that India will never again try to turn back into united Hindustan).
Where U got the idea of United Hindustan from? And what is the relevance of word Again in ur quote?

Regarding mass murders of Sikhs being outside her responsibility due to her having been sent to her reward prior to the killings, what was the catalyst for that? pray tell what caused her bodyguard to turn on her?
If u feel that responsibility was her's than I wont argue more. ALLAH hu Alim I would say. And idea of terrorism caused her bodyguard kill her I feel. U are free to disagree.


and please dont get me start on that or darfur, or I will get in to bother with mods. However you can look up some of my old posts to see what I think of and know about Afghan Muslims
Okay sir.
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justahumane
01-02-2009, 01:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by alcurad
I find that hard to believe, sources?
and Pakistan being formed on 'religion alone' makes it a very fragile state. what's done is done though..

Brother plz get informed how many muslims did Saddam killed, about eight-years-long Iran Iraq war, East Pakistan massacre, And to end with Darfur conflict. U wont have to ask for any source to believe that Muslims have killed more muslims than non-muslims.
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doorster
01-02-2009, 01:18 PM
I should have read all your posts to avoid falling in to your trap
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justahumane
01-02-2009, 02:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
I should have read all your posts to avoid falling in to your trap

Not justified brother. What Idea u get from my posts? and what make U feel that u have fallen in my trap? We are just exchanging our thoughts.
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Muezzin
01-02-2009, 04:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane
Brother plz get informed how many muslims did Saddam killed, about eight-years-long Iran Iraq war, East Pakistan massacre, And to end with Darfur conflict. U wont have to ask for any source to believe that Muslims have killed more muslims than non-muslims.
No.

Post a source or stop making accusations.

This is an entirely different topic altogether. If you wish to discuss how many people Muslims have killed in the history of time, do so in another thread.

And post a source.
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justahumane
01-03-2009, 08:46 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
No.

Post a source or stop making accusations.

This is an entirely different topic altogether. If you wish to discuss how many people Muslims have killed in the history of time, do so in another thread.

And post a source.

This is not different topic brother, but the extention of topic being discuessed here. It suggests that accusing hindus of being muslim killers is not justified at all. The topic in question paint all hindus as killers and hence suggests that they should be hated. I just want to emphasize that killing is human nature. All humans have shaitan in themselves irrespective of their religion. So accusing any one community of killing and sparing the other is just like falling in shaitan's trap, and being a hypocrite.

But ur orders here are supreme. I cant bypass it. So I will leave this thread NOW. Start a new thread, and will try to post SOURCES INSHALLAH.
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