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10-28-2008, 05:46 AM
Plot to Kill Obama Uncovered, Feds SayBy LARA JAKES JORDAN, AP
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PrintShareText SizeAAAWASHINGTON (Oct. 27) - Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday.
In all, the two men whom officials described as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people — 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.
Plot to Kill Obama ThwartedAmy Sancetta, AP5 photos Federal officials said Monday they had disrupted a plot by two neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. The two suspects also planned to shoot or decapitate 88 black people in a murder spree that was to start in Tennessee, authorities said.(Note: Please disable your pop-up blocker)

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the documents show.
"Both individuals stated they would dress in all-white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."
An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.
Sheriffs' deputies in Crockett County, Tenn., arrested the two suspects — Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark. — Oct. 22 on unspecified charges. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.
The two were charged by federal authorities Monday with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.
Cowart and Schlesselman were being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.
Obama Assasination Plot DisruptedFederal agents say they've broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and 102 other black people. (Oct. 27)
Jasper Taylor, city attorney in Bells, said Cowart was arrested Wednesday. He was held for a few days in Bells, then moved over the weekend to another facility.
Until his arrest, Cowart lived with his grandparents in a southern, rural part of the county, Taylor said, adding that Cowart apparently never graduated from high school. He moved away, possibly to Arkansas or Texas, then returned over the summer, Taylor said.
Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, said in a written statement that he was was investigating the charges against his client and would have no further comment. Messages left on two telephone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.
No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.
The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.
The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8''s or "H''s stand for "Heil Hitler."
Court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people. Agents said the skinheads did not name the African-American school they were targeting.
Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville, Tenn., field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, said authorities took the threats very seriously.
"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."
He added: "They seemed determined to do it. Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."
An ATF affidavit filed in the case says Cowart and Schlesselman told investigators the day they were arrested they had shot at a glass window at Beech Grove Church of Christ, a congregation of about 60 black members in Brownsville, Tenn.
Nelson Bond, the church secretary and treasurer, said no one was at the church when the shot was fired. Members found the bullet had shattered the glass in the church's front door when they arrived for evening Bible study.
"We have been on this site for about 120 years, and we have never had a problem like this before," said Bond, 53 and a church member for 45 years.
The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. He said there's no evidence — so far — that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.
At this point, there does not appear to be any formal assassination plan, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said.
"Whether or not they had the capability or the wherewithal to carry out an attack remains to be seen," he said.
Zahren said the statements about the assassination came out in interviews after the men were arrested last week.
The Secret Service became involved in the investigation once it was clear that an Obama assassination attempt was part of the plot. Obama received a Secret Service detail in May 2007, the earliest a candidate has ever been assigned protection, in part because of his status as a prominent black candidate.
"We don't discount anything," Zahren said, adding that it's one thing for the defendants to make statements, but it's not the same as having an organized assassination plan.
Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.
However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.
Associated Press writers Erik Schelzig in Nashville, Tenn., Jon Gambrell in Little Rock, Ark., and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.
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Keltoi
10-28-2008, 01:07 PM
It was just a matter of time before a situation like this would pop up. What is disheartening to me is that these guys weren't the serious organized group that I thought we would see. That is disheartening because I have a feeling such a group is out there. Hopefully not. I would like to think the U.S. wouldn't have to worry about this stuff anymore, but unfortunately I don't think that is the case. This would be an historic presidency, and that will bring many fame-seekers and white power groups out of the woodwork.
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SixTen
10-28-2008, 01:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
It was just a matter of time before a situation like this would pop up. What is disheartening to me is that these guys weren't the serious organized group that I thought we would see. That is disheartening because I have a feeling such a group is out there. Hopefully not. I would like to think the U.S. wouldn't have to worry about this stuff anymore, but unfortunately I don't think that is the case. This would be an historic presidency, and that will bring many fame-seekers and white power groups out of the woodwork.
KKK members have already stated that their will be people trying to assassinate people (according to an interview).
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IbnAbdulHakim
10-28-2008, 01:10 PM
^ if that is true then why are there actually people calling themselves KKK walking around outside, shudnt the bolice be on their case? :S the hek... or are they all under cover?
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SixTen
10-28-2008, 01:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mz
^ if that is true then why are there actually people calling themselves KKK walking around outside, shudnt the bolice be on their case? :S the hek... or are they all under cover?
You would be surprised, how many hate groups exist in USA.
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Keltoi
10-28-2008, 02:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mz
^ if that is true then why are there actually people calling themselves KKK walking around outside, shudnt the bolice be on their case? :S the hek... or are they all under cover?
No, they can put on white sheets and stage parades or protests if they want. That is free speech. What they can't do is resort to violence or intimidation, meaning lynchings or cross burnings.
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IbnAbdulHakim
10-28-2008, 02:22 PM
i see

so we can voice our desire to annihialate a people without fear of persecution? :ooh:
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Yanal
10-28-2008, 02:36 PM
Barack even said that " Whoever becomes President of US will face blackmails and threatening attacks." That covers that attack I wouldn't mind if Mcain would face one but people are fearing. Barack so they are attacking him.
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Keltoi
10-28-2008, 02:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mz
i see

so we can voice our desire to annihialate a people without fear of persecution? :ooh:
Yes, you can say whatever you want. Just like the Nation of Islam leader can spout anti-semetic rhetoric, a white power group can spout anti-black rhetoric.
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Izyan
10-28-2008, 03:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mz
i see

so we can voice our desire to annihialate a people without fear of persecution? :ooh:
Nope and when the KKK do it they are arrested. They can voice their opinion that they don't want minorities in their neighborhoods.
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Izyan
10-28-2008, 03:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
Yes, you can say whatever you want. Just like the Nation of Islam leader can spout anti-semetic rhetoric, a white power group can spout anti-black rhetoric.
No they can't. They can't say anything that incites violence.
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Güven
10-28-2008, 05:38 PM
i just saw it on the news, they realy did looked like nazi's,
what would have happened if he realy was killed? :ooh:
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Keltoi
10-28-2008, 07:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Izyan
No they can't. They can't say anything that incites violence.
Inciting violence no, but if I want to stand out in the street with a sign that says "All black people should be killed", there is no real legal recourse to shut me up. Just as I can hang Bush in efigy if I wish. Certain states have different interpretations of the limits of hate speech, but at the federal level there is little that can or would be done unless the speech in question was deemed to have actually incited a violent action.

This was covered in Brandenburg vs. Ohio in 1969.
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Keltoi
10-28-2008, 07:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Güven
i just saw it on the news, they realy did looked like nazi's,
what would have happened if he realy was killed? :ooh:
Joe Biden would probably take Obama's place at the top of the ticket, and I would imagine Hillary Clinton would take the VP slot. They would campaign on Obama's platform and promise to continue his goals.
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Ansariyah
10-28-2008, 07:48 PM
Not surprised, history often repeats.
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