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anonymous
11-01-2008, 12:53 PM
Just a quick question is it haram for girls to live out? Like live in their Uni? It's not someone who doesn't have any other option...but someone who might be considering unis out of London. Thanks
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crayon
11-01-2008, 05:50 PM
Bump, I'm also very interested in the answer to this..
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IbnAbdulHakim
11-01-2008, 10:23 PM
girls should have mahrams with them


dont throw yourself into fire :(
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Zahida
11-01-2008, 10:28 PM
Yes in Islam a woman should have "mehram" with them...........
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Zahida
11-01-2008, 11:13 PM
:sl: Anonymous Gender........ Yes at the age of 40 and the experiences i have had with life i think i am old enough........

I think at uni age you probably will make alot of mistakes i know i did.... you get sidetracked, you mix with the wrong society, no matter how strong you are or think you are people screw up so why not protect yourself from that to start off with........

My brother-in-law passed away today and left 5 children behind. My sister died nearly 5 years ago............ My nephew went out of control, we all need someone to protect us honey and only we can protect ourselves from harm and temptation............

I was not ever allowed to leave the house without my brother on my trail but now i realise it was for my own good. Now i have a husband/son if one is not there the other is, so i feel protected and safe..................:w:ps by the way i teach English in a secondary school............. I think i am old enough now to know right from wrong...........I hope when i see my students going wrong the advice i give them they are always grateful and look upto me. InshAllah...............
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جوري
11-02-2008, 12:04 AM
why can't you live on an all girls dorm?
I know many people who don't have mahrams.. my cousin for instance, both her parents died, and her only brother works in kuwait.. there is no one to escort her anywhere.. should she forgo education or even getting groceries at this stage and await a man to escort her? another distant cousin. was living with her mom, her dad and brother both died young congenital heart diseases, my distant aunt recently died two ramadan's ago.. sob7an Allah.. what is her daughter to do now the amazing thing is that her mother is supporting the wife of her deceased son with her dead husband's pension and when she dies no more pensions dispensed, and now her sister in law is bothering her for money she doesn't have.. folks have a way of pretending to be your good friend when you have money and a good education, but they don't bother with you when you are poor and orphaned, might even harass you.. so people don't help her, and she in turn can't help she who is even less fortunate than her-- she came from a very strict family, and she is actually past the age of forty without marriage or a particularly good education, because of very stringent upbringing.


only you can decide for yourself if you are going to be good or wicked.. living on campus as a way to let loose or get close to Allah while attaining a good education...

I am personally not a judgmental person and may not be giving the best advise here.. but can tell you one thing with sincerity.. a good education is worth its weight in gold, further supported by Islam as education is indeed compulsory on every Muslim---

if you know what is right from wrong, then guard your chastity.. but no reason to be a slave to society or a husband who might not be particularly charitable (as I have seen some folks on this very forum advocate wife beating)

your strength will always be in your education, and with a good education insha'Allah comes a level head to distinguish right from wrong for yourself!

It is easy to be of noble character and give mighty moral advise when you are not living other people's unfortunate circumstances...

and Allah swt knows best

:w:
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جوري
11-02-2008, 12:20 AM
I am deeply sorry for your loss sister zahida --
May Allah make this difficult time easy on you and your family.. grant your sister and brother in law Jannat al firdaws, and replace the sorrows of those left behind with felicity and serenity ..

ameen

:w:
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Zahida
11-02-2008, 10:51 AM
:sl: JazaakAllah sister this is a very difficult time for our family........

Especially for the children.....................:cry::w:
format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine
I am deeply sorry for your loss sister zahida --
May Allah make this difficult time easy on you and your family.. grant your sister and brother in law Jannat al firdaws, and replace the sorrows of those left behind with felicity and serenity ..

ameen

:w:
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IbnAbdulHakim
11-02-2008, 11:53 AM
sister skye, with all due respect i must say that there is a huge difference between a lady capable of having her mahram around her and one who does not.

in a perfect islamic state a guardian would have been assigned by the state for such a lady or at least someone would have married her.


but sister even if you or other muslim sisters are amazingly strong against the fitnah IT IS THE ADVICE OF RASOOLULLAH sallallahi alaihi wasallaam that a lady should have a mahram with her when travelling so far from home.
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Thinker
11-02-2008, 12:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zahida
:sl:I think at uni age you probably will make alot of mistakes i know i did.... you get sidetracked, you mix with the wrong society, no matter how strong you are or think you are people screw up so why not protect yourself from that to start off with........
InshAllah...............
Do these ‘mistakes’ only happen to female Muslims? Do young male Muslims not makes ‘mistakes’? Do you advocate that young male Muslims should have a guardian with them if they live in halls of residence?

I was taught that taking those first steps of independence and yes making mistakes was good because it made me a more capable, resiliant and stronger person. I am even older than you and I can tell you that you learn a lot from making mistakes and as you get older you are exposed to the possibility of making even bigger mistakes.
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Ummu Sufyaan
11-02-2008, 12:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Do these ‘mistakes’ only happen to female Muslims? Do young male Muslims not makes ‘mistakes’? Do you advocate that young male Muslims should have a guardian with them if they live in halls of residence?

I am older than you and I was taught that taking those first steps of independence and yes making mistakes was good because it made me a more capable, resiliant and stronger person. I am even older than you and I can tell you that you learn a lot from making mistakes and as you get older you are exposed to the possibility of making even bigger mistakes.
Ive got one simple flippin' answer for people of your type: what Islam legislates, goes! end of! Muslim women/islam dont need people of your type acting as or "heros" saving our us from the "cruelty" of Islam...go look in your own "backyard" and rectify the problems that have your women "liberated" before you come and "rescue" ours
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Thinker
11-02-2008, 12:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramlah
Ive got one simple flippin' answer for people of your type: what Islam legislates, goes! end off! Muslim women/islam dont need people of your type acting as or 'heros' saving our us from the "cruelty" of Islam...go look in your own "backyard" and rectify the problems that have your women "liberated" before you come and "rescue" ours
Actually I am genuinley interested to know the answer. Or are you suggesting the answer is that Muslims should just blindly do as they are instructed without questioning anything?
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Ummu Sufyaan
11-02-2008, 12:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Actually I am genuinley interested to know the answer.
the way you worded it sounded like you were having a go
i.e
Do these ‘mistakes’ only happen to female Muslims? Do young male Muslims not makes ‘mistakes’? Do you advocate that young male Muslims should have a guardian with them if they live in halls of residence?
Or are you suggesting the answer is that Muslims should just blindly do as they are instructed without questioning anything?
my whole point was that what islam says, goes... theres a fine line between asking about your religion, and questioning/doubting it. it sounded like you were asking as to criticize...
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chances
11-02-2008, 01:01 PM
I think you should look to stay at home on the 1st instance... going away from home may seem all great fun, may make you look independent but it is not all that... no matter how strong you may think you are and how pious you could be the devil is always working on you...

so dont put your self in a place where you might start dancing with the devil...
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chances
11-02-2008, 01:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zahida
:sl: Anonymous Gender........ Yes at the age of 40 and the experiences i have had with life i think i am old enough........

I think at uni age you probably will make alot of mistakes i know i did.... you get sidetracked, you mix with the wrong society, no matter how strong you are or think you are people screw up so why not protect yourself from that to start off with........

My brother-in-law passed away today and left 5 children behind. My sister died nearly 5 years ago............ My nephew went out of control, we all need someone to protect us honey and only we can protect ourselves from harm and temptation............

I was not ever allowed to leave the house without my brother on my trail but now i realise it was for my own good. Now i have a husband/son if one is not there the other is, so i feel protected and safe..................:w:ps by the way i teach English in a secondary school............. I think i am old enough now to know right from wrong...........I hope when i see my students going wrong the advice i give them they are always grateful and look upto me. InshAllah...............

May Allah give your family sabar... and bless those who have passed away.
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maryam87
11-02-2008, 01:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skye Ephémérine

but can tell you one thing with sincerity.. a good education is worth its weight in gold, further supported by Islam as education is indeed compulsory on every Muslim---

:w:
Thats what my mother keeps reminding me LOL

I honestly dont know why anyone would want to live away from home. I like travel 2 hours a day to go to uni but would never think of living on campus, ill prefer to be at home at nights. Theres nothing like home sweet home, mums cooking and all :D
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crayon
11-02-2008, 01:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mz
but sister even if you or other muslim sisters are amazingly strong against the fitnah IT IS THE ADVICE OF RASOOLULLAH sallallahi alaihi wasallaam that a lady should have a mahram with her when travelling so far from home.
Traveling with out a mahram is not the same thing as living alone. You could live in the same room as your mahram, or the same house, or the same city, or even a different city, if your mahram dropped you off there and then went back.

So yeah, traveling without a mahram =/= living without a mahram.
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doorster
11-02-2008, 01:16 PM
I made a post anonymously which upset a munnajid/islamqa groupie and some mod(dunno who) deleted it :(

say someone finds a place in Law School/Faculty at Cambridge University and her home is in Leeds what is she to do?

folks have a strange way of obsessing over the dumbest detail and don't appear particularly concerned when you are orphaned, widowed, battered woman with no source of income so long as you are wearing a tent and finding some mahram even an 11 year old dopey little kid to escort you..

sob7an Allah
what can I tell you.. is it any wonder why we are in such bad shape?

I don't believe that all of Muslims on this site agree with vocal folk on this forum, because they might be shunned for it, they keep quite
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doorster
11-02-2008, 01:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude™
Try not to make negative assumptions, please.

Your post was deleted (not by me) because it was an abuse of the anonymous account. If you have something to say, when there is no need to be anonymous about it, then please use your own account in future.

It really makes no sense to "hide" like that.
:sl:

it was replied to by a lady who said: "shame on you, not all kafirs are going to space"

in response to my

it is up to the Muslimah to make it halal or haraam by not indulging/indulging in Islamically illicit acts

that we were drowning ourselves in out of context detail while kafirs had conquered the outer space"

more or less those words and a bit more

:w:

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doorster
11-02-2008, 02:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude™
:w: Sorry, I don't get what point you're trying to make by highlighting my sentence and saying something that seems quite unrelated? :confused:
:sl:
I was denying making a "negative assumption" and was admitting to making a calculated guess

I was saying that it was not deleted because "abuse" of anon account (I've used it before) it was deleted because of that lady's reply (which was also deleted at the same time).

had it been for abuse of anon account my other anon posts would not still be here in other threads

:w:
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Al-Zaara
11-02-2008, 02:24 PM
Selam aleykum,

format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
say someone finds a place in Law School/Faculty at Cambridge University and her home is in Leeds what is she to do?

folks have a strange way of obsessing over the dumbest detail and don't appear particularly concerned when you are orphaned, widowed, battered woman with no source of income so long as you are wearing a tent and finding some mahram even an 11 year old dopey little kid to escort you..

sob7an Allah
what can I tell you.. is it any wonder why we are in such bad shape?

I don't believe that all of Muslims on this site agree with vocal folk on this forum, because they might be shunned for it, they keep quite
Good post! :thumbs_up JazakAllah kheyr bro, I'm out of reps now but will get back to the post, as I'm subscribing to this thread.
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Muezzin
11-02-2008, 02:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Do these ‘mistakes’ only happen to female Muslims? Do young male Muslims not makes ‘mistakes’? Do you advocate that young male Muslims should have a guardian with them if they live in halls of residence?
You know, for some of the young Muslim males I met while in uni, I think I would advocate a minder of some sort.

What's so shameful I can't find a word for it is that the acts of these particular guys (who shall not be named, lest I descend into backbiting) will not be divulged to family members, and even if they are, the consequences will be less severe than for the Muslim girls they cavorted with. It's wrong. People predictably follow their culutural practices of favouring the male no matter what, ignoring the Islamic ruling that in these kinds of cases, the male has equally sinned.

When will people learn - though Islam does require mahrams in certain circumstances, their absence does not mean Muslims should or will descend into sin. Ultimately, we have to follow the rules of Islam ourselves. We shouldn't only follow them when someone is breathing down our necks. If that's the position an individual is in, it says a lot about the condition of their faith.

I'm not saying that a young Muslim woman should not take a mahram if she is living in another city for university. Simply that if it is not practicable, for whatever reason, that young Muslim woman should trust herself to act Islamically in the situation - and if she knows that she probably would not do so, then perhaps she should reconsider the trip. Just as certain young Muslim males, if they were true to themselves and their religious beliefs, would reconsider their trips.
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Al-Zaara
11-02-2008, 03:06 PM
MashaAllah, Muezzin, jazakAllah kheyr for your contribution aswell!
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doorster
11-02-2008, 03:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Actually I am genuinely interested to know the answer. Or are you suggesting the answer is that Muslims should just blindly do as they are instructed without questioning anything?
if Muslims were allowed to become educated, if we were allowed to learn about the true spirit of Islam, what do you think will be the fate of our kings and presidents?

It is in their interests to hire "scholars" to preach distorted versions of Islam and it is in the interests of western kingmakers to support them lest we become one empire/government again like it was during the lifetime of Last Prophet P.B.U.H.
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barney
11-02-2008, 03:57 PM
No doubt a cultural thing butI recently did a university course which had 14 ppl in the group. One was a Muslimah in hijab. In the canteen when the whole group was chatting and bantering and laughing and joking she was sat with everyone but wasnt of course joining in. Now since I know probably more about Islam than th other white CofE's on the course, I understood that she couldnt make light-talk or speak if it wasnt neccessery or important. She hadnt a Mahram with her , but she looked so blinking lonely and ostricised.
The group had tried initially to get her to join in, but quickly ended up ignoring her, as she was simply politly answering questions directed at her but not inititaing or participating.

The group mentioned her a few times, saying she was haughty and stand-offish. I explained that as a lone muslimah amongst non-muslims she was required by her religion to do this. One member said i was racist. i pointed out that the term he was looking for was anti-theist, but he would in any case be wrong.

Long story short, the group felt awkward by her actions, simply because they lacked knowlage about islam.
I still , even with my knowlage felt sorry for her.

Comments welcome.
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Muezzin
11-02-2008, 04:06 PM
Maybe she was just shy? I'm no good at small talk either, but I'm fortunate enough to have a friendly demeanour or something.

Kudos for defending her though.
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Zahida
11-02-2008, 08:01 PM
:sl: With due respect brother...... I agree what you are saying it is our responsibility as Muslims to protect the female gender and to educate our male Muslims.......... for a better way of life..............:w:
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Do these ‘mistakes’ only happen to female Muslims? Do young male Muslims not makes ‘mistakes’? Do you advocate that young male Muslims should have a guardian with them if they live in halls of residence?

I was taught that taking those first steps of independence and yes making mistakes was good because it made me a more capable, resiliant and stronger person. I am even older than you and I can tell you that you learn a lot from making mistakes and as you get older you are exposed to the possibility of making even bigger mistakes.
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Zahida
11-02-2008, 08:05 PM
:sl: Thankyou for your duas and kind words......... May Allah Bless you and good luck with your magazine........:w:
format_quote Originally Posted by chances
May Allah give your family sabar... and bless those who have passed away.
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Malaikah
11-03-2008, 08:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by barney
The group mentioned her a few times, saying she was haughty and stand-offish. I explained that as a lone muslimah amongst non-muslims she was required by her religion to do this. One member said i was racist. i pointed out that the term he was looking for was anti-theist, but he would in any case be wrong.
Er, I'm almost 100% certain is has more to do with men being in the group than you guys being non-Muslim!
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Danah
11-03-2008, 09:16 AM
the mahram required to be with woman is for protecting her, its not that woman need a guardian while man does not, its not like woman might do mistake while man is not.

For me, I dont feel safety when I go out for shopping without mahram even when I am living in a very safe society......so what about living out.
by the way, in our university there are many students traveling from their cities to live in the hostel which is inside the University campus. Here its totally fine since its not out the university and there are like other woman stuff who are responsible for the girls there and even spent nights there.
they even bring the girls from their houses in their cities and take them in special buses.
so for the thread beginner, its depend on the environment you will live in. but I guess for you in London I think its hard to live a lone.......Allah know the best
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Thinker
11-03-2008, 10:34 AM
Making mistakes:

I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius

The greatest mistake a man can ever make is to be afraid of making one. ~ Elbert Hubbard

There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth -- not going all the way, and not starting.~ The Buddha

Do not be embarrassed by your mistakes. Nothing can teach us better than our understanding of them. This is one of the best ways of self-education.~ Thomas Carlyle

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.~ George Bernard Shaw

A baby learning to walk falls a lot. ~ Kathleen Rowe
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piXie
11-03-2008, 11:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous
Just a quick question is it haram for girls to live out? Like live in their Uni? It's not someone who doesn't have any other option...but someone who might be considering unis out of London. Thanks
:sl:

Why would someone want to live at their Uni? Don't like Parents house? Want more freedom? :hmm:

If one has the option of going to a Uni in their city, they should choose that.
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Re.TiReD
11-03-2008, 11:41 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by piXie
:sl:

Why would someone want to live at their Uni? Don't like Parents house? Want more freedom? :hmm:

If one has the option of going to a Uni in their city, they should choose that.
:wasalamex

I don't live out, my commute only takes an hour, sometimes half an hour depending on the weird trains up here. But another sis lives just 5 mins from where I do and she stays in halls.

I've no idea why people would wanna stay at uni, go through the hassle of getting good accomodation etc etc when they could just as easily commute.

Wallahu A'lam though. I'd choose a uni that was nearer, but then...If somebody really wants to get into a 'top' uni then they'd do whatever it takes I guess.
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aamirsaab
11-03-2008, 11:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by piXie
:sl:

Why would someone want to live at their Uni? Don't like Parents house? Want more freedom? :hmm:
The university may be far away from their home; like in a different city or whatnot.

If one has the option of going to a Uni in their city, they should choose that.
It depends on whether the course is available though - sometimes, the universities have limited courses, so you may have to commute or stay in a different city. Sometimes, a different country!

As for the topic; I wouldn't say it is haram for a girl to live out - certainly no more than if it were a male. This being said, if my was sister living out, then I'd be very concerned about her well being - certainly more so than if it were my brother. See, my brother can handle himself if the situation arises (he gets me into headlocks every day!), but can my sister take on (male) scum-bags if she had to? I don't know, and I don't want to find out! But that's just me being a macho-mongesh stuck in the old times - you can hit a man all you want but touch a female, and you're @$$ is marked, sunshine!
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piXie
11-03-2008, 11:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aamirsaab
The university may be far away from their home; like in a different city or whatnot.
Sometimes they are, but the person who the Original Poster is talking about has the option of going to a university in London.
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Ummu Sufyaan
11-03-2008, 12:32 PM
:sl:
Making mistakes:

I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius

The greatest mistake a man can ever make is to be afraid of making one. ~ Elbert Hubbard

There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth -- not going all the way, and not starting.~ The Buddha

Do not be embarrassed by your mistakes. Nothing can teach us better than our understanding of them. This is one of the best ways of self-education.~ Thomas Carlyle

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.~ George Bernard Shaw

A baby learning to walk falls a lot. ~ Kathleen Rowe
as mentioned previuosly
format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude™
In your eyes, making mistakes might be ok, but in the eyes of muslims, mistakes = sins and if sins are preventable, then all measures must be taken to prevent them.

Yes, we do learn from sins. But that doesn't mean we have to deliberatlely put ourselves into circumstances where sin can arise, just so that we can learn from them.

format_quote Originally Posted by JolieFleur
:wasalamex


I've no idea why people would wanna stay at uni, go through the hassle of getting good accomodation etc etc when they could just as easily commute.
i was thinking eww yuck...why would you wanna stay @ school +o( :p
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MO783
11-03-2008, 12:49 PM
:sl:

My advice to anyone girl or boy not to live away from home.

Salam
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IbnAbdulHakim
11-03-2008, 01:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Making mistakes:

I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius
sounds like an old man ! :p

The greatest mistake a man can ever make is to be afraid of making one. ~ Elbert Hubbard
hmm... actually this is interesting, i think we should fear mistakes, it makes us better and more careful people!



There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth -- not going all the way, and not starting.~ The Buddha
fair enough.. i liked this one, thanks thinker :)

Do not be embarrassed by your mistakes. Nothing can teach us better than our understanding of them. This is one of the best ways of self-education.~ Thomas Carlyle
well theres nothing wrong with being embarassed of them, infact i think being embarassed of them gives us a stronger will to never fall into it again !

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.~ George Bernard Shaw
depends what the mistakes are to be honest, i mean look at hitler and bush, and other nazi type people

A baby learning to walk falls a lot. ~ Kathleen Rowe
true !
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Faith.
11-03-2008, 04:33 PM
:sl:
I think that girls should try and find a uni more nearer to home. So thers no need to stay the night.

Ermm...i was jus wondering if a girl does decide to attend a uni far from home and has a mahram with her.........would she have to stay with him all times around the campus?:?

...or would it be okay for her to go to her lessons unattended?

Jasakallah:sunny:

:w:
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Danah
11-03-2008, 04:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Making mistakes:

There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth -- not going all the way, and not starting.~ The Buddha

Do not be embarrassed by your mistakes. Nothing can teach us better than our understanding of them. This is one of the best ways of self-education.~ Thomas Carlyle
some mistakes are not acceptable, no one can make mistake and kill people then learn from his mistake to not do it again.
or go and comet the forbidden sex and then realize that what he have done is wrong
and thats what we are preventing to happen
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The Ruler
11-03-2008, 05:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zahida
:sl: With due respect brother...... I agree what you are saying it is our responsibility as Muslims to protect the female gender and to educate our male Muslims.......... for a better way of life..............:w:
And educate the female muslims too (it's equally important). Let's not forget that.

I second what crayon previously said:

format_quote Originally Posted by crayon
Traveling with out a mahram is not the same thing as living alone. You could live in the same room as your mahram, or the same house, or the same city, or even a different city, if your mahram dropped you off there and then went back.

So yeah, traveling without a mahram =/= living without a mahram.
And as far as my knowledge goes, no hadith mentions that a female has to have her mahram with her wherever she is or where she lives.

If that were the case, we'd have to take our fathers, brothers, uncles and grandfathers to any sleepover we attend. It'd be pretty uncomfortable for the other girls. Yah.
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gladTidings
11-03-2008, 06:25 PM
Salaam sis..

To answer the question..no, it is not haraam for a girl to live on campus. I clarified this with a couple of scholars when I decided to live on campus. However both of them emphasized the fact that I would need a mahram when I am travelling to university from home or vice versa. You'll have to check with your mahram's if this will be a problem for them..otherwise I dont know of any other restrictions.

Moving away from home is a big step so make sure you pray istikhaara before you make any decisions.

Ws x
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جوري
11-03-2008, 10:03 PM
I lived on campus too ( all girls halls), my dad would drop me off every semester and my bro would pick me up when done, but when I felt home sick (in the beginning it was quite often) I used to simply just come home alot on my own...

I am grateful sis pearl posted her experience.. I was really starting to feel bad.. imsad

:w:
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Malaikah
11-04-2008, 12:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by The Ruler
If that were the case, we'd have to take our fathers, brothers, uncles and grandfathers to any sleepover we attend. It'd be pretty uncomfortable for the other girls. Yah.
lol sis. Going to a sleepover doesn't count as travelling. :p

Travelling (i.e. the type of travelling where someone can break their fast, shorten their prayers etc) is when you leave the city.

So women can travel from one corner of the city to the other by themselves, however when they leave the city some scholars are of the opinion that they need a mahram.

Other scholars say it is fine for them to go alone as long as it is safe, because the reason women need mahrams to travel is for their safety.

While travelling is mostly safe for us these days lets not forget that during the Prophets time for a woman to travel alone it meant going through the harsh, hot desert alone on camel back. Definitely NOT safe! Not only did they have to worry about wild animals but bandits too.

That's a far cry from the luxury of planes we have these days.
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crayon
12-15-2008, 02:02 PM
I'm going to bump this again because I still haven't received a satisfactory answer to this:

If a girl does NOT TRAVEL alone, her mahram travels with her to a different city, drops her off, and then comes back. She lives there ALONE. Is this haram? Please provide EVIDENCE, either scholar's answers for this specific situation, or some hadith. Jazakum Allah Khair.
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Ummu Sufyaan
04-23-2009, 01:39 PM
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There is nothing wrong with your sister working in the students’ residence, especially if it is in your city, but if it is in another city then it is not permissible for her to travel there and back except with a mahram, but it is permissible for her to stay in that residence without a mahram, because what is required is only that she be accompanied by the mahram on the road.
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but sis, make sure your company is of the righteous :)
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crayon
04-23-2009, 04:36 PM
Jazaki Allah khair sis, I appreciate the answer.
Alhamdullilah everything has worked out now already, inshaAllah.:D
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أبو سليمان عمر
04-23-2009, 04:43 PM
If it is permissible for a woman to live alone, why can’t she travel without a mahram?
Can women live alone? If they can live alone, why can't they travel alone?.

Praise be to Allaah.

A woman may live alone subject to the condition that she is trustworthy and is not a woman of dubious character. With regard to a woman travelling without a mahram, it is clearly not allowed, as in the hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (1729) and Muslim (2391) from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No woman should travel except with a mahram, and no man should enter upon her unless a mahram of hers is present.” A man said: “O Messenger of Allaah, I want to go out with such and such an army and my wife wants to go for Hajj.” He said: “Go out (for Hajj) with her.”

This is completely wise, because travel involves hardship and exhaustion, and because of her weakness a woman needs someone to help her and stay by her side. Things may happen to her that may cause her to lose control when her mahram is not with her. This is well known nowadays when there are so many accidents involving cars and other means of transportation.

Moreover, if a woman travels alone, that exposes her to temptation and men may make approaches, especially when there is a great deal of corruption. Someone may sit near her who does not fear Allaah, and he may tempt her to do something haraam.

If we assume that a woman is travelling alone in her car, she is exposed to other dangers, such as her car breaking down, or evil people ganging up on her, etc.

This makes its clear that Islam is the first of all systems to take care of women, protect their honour, respect them and regard them as precious pearls that must be protected from evil.

We submit to the command of Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and we know that it contains complete wisdom and mercy, because Allaah only forbids to His slaves that which is harmful for them.

It is not correct to compare travel to a woman staying alone in a house in her own land, because there are more dangers in the place that a woman travels to. If a woman is in her own town, if anything happens to her or she needs someone to help her, she will find someone to help her. The fear of evil people attacking her is less when she is in her own town and her own house than when she is travelling.

And Allaah knows best.
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