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islamirama
11-07-2008, 05:22 AM
The Fate Of Women Under The Taliban: The Truth That Was Never Exposed

“Based on a survey by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of schools for girls located in villages across Afghanistan and controlled by the Taliban are still operating. Pia Karlsson, Education Advisor of SCA, mentioned 85% of the girls are still going to school. In the Province of Kunduz, which is under the Taliban rule, 122 schools for girls are operating, with 390 registered female teachers!”

Taliban is the main target in the Anti-Islam media attack.

All the women (western feminists) who criticized the burqa (veil), were silent when 2 millions afghan citizens were dead due to the Russian bombs, they were silent when 500,000 Afghan citizens were handicapped because of landmines, and they were quiet when thousands of afghan women were raped before the Taliban came to power.

General Hamid who had lived for some years under the Taliban, said:

“There was never a campaign directed at allowing the beating of women and there was no prohibition for women to pursue education. There was only restriction on mixed-gender education.”

There are so many fabrications on “respected” websites in the internet about the “suffering” of Afghan women, while at the same time there isn’t any mention of date, name, location or any other data that could be verified. Hamid Gul said that he always noticed there were more women than men in the streets or in the markets during the Taliban era. The Afghan who protested in the west were those who originated from the Khalq and Parcham factions who were Communists. They were not representatives of the majority of the Afghan society.

The Taliban had to keep an eye on these communist women with an extra tight measure to ensure they would not cause any discord or troubles. Women only have to wear the burqa in the streets, whereas at home they are free to wear any dress they like. Munur, a nurse said: “women in the hospitals seldom wears the burqa and even the jilbab when there are no men in there.”

Based on a survey by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of schools for girls located in villages across Afghanistan and controlled by the Taliban are still operating. Pia Karlsson, Education Advisor of SCA, mentioned 85% of the girls are still going to school. In the Province of Kunduz, which is under the Taliban rule, 122 schools for girls are operating, with 390 registered female teachers!

During the pre-Taliban era, there were only 350 beds for women in the hospitals across Kabul. In August 2001, there were 950 beds in the hospitals which were specific for women only. Some of the hospitals that were exclusive for women were Rabia Balkhi Hospital, The Red Crescent of Kuwait Health Center and The Health Clinic for Infectious Disease! There were also 32 clinics for women and children.

Additionally, the women also received the services provided by the ICRC and the Sanday Gal Orthopaedic Centres. Only female doctors and nurses were working in the hospitals and clinics to give the healthcare services to the female patients.

However the Sun, Daily Express, New York Times, and all the journalists never report this story, the same goes for BBC, CNN, Fox News, etc. This is part of the campaign of lies so that the world populations would be against the Taliban.

They lied that the women could not work, the women could not go out of the house, to go to school, or even to go to hospital, but all the abovementioned facts proved otherwise.

Sour©e: altawbah.net

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The_Prince
11-10-2008, 01:15 PM
well this shudnt surprise anyone, the goverments of the west have admited they carry out lying propaganda news against their enemies to decieve the public opinion.
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KAding
11-11-2008, 01:01 AM
Interesting article. It apparently accuses everyone else of lying, but is itself very selective and incomplete. It is basing it's claims on Pia Karlsson who works for the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan.

Here is the thesis she wrote and which is the source of the article:
An Afghan Dilemma: Education, Gender and Globalisation in an Islamic Context (PDF)

Under the heading "Taliban Education" it says the following:
With the Taliban in power, the war atrocities ceased in major parts of the country. The Taliban government’s interest in education was fairly weak and mainly, at least initially, focused on Islamic education in madrasas. After some years, they also made an attempt to change maktab education. Girl schools were officially closed, which severely affected the girls in the cities. In rural areas, however, by keeping a low profile girls’ education continued at the primary level, usually, but not always, in home schools. The schools got most of their support from NGOs but also local communities financed girl classes. Female teachers, often from the cities, taught in these schools. However, the total enrolment rate for girls continued to decrease during the 1990s as an effect of the closure of city girl schools. The female teachers in cities were not allowed to work (but still received their salaries during the first years of the Taliban regime). This was a serious calamity not only for girls but also for boys since many of their teachers were women.

During this period, it is estimated that only 10 to 15 per cent of primary school aged children had access to maktab education (Rugh, 1998). The SCA provided at least 30 per cent of the total education offered (Swedish Committee for Afghanistan, 2000). In 2000, SCA was almost the only NGO in the education sector and supported almost 600 schools (in rural areas only) with 170,000 students of which 21 per cent were girls (Samady, 2001)
This completely contradicts the whole arguments in the original article, despite the fact that this study is the source for that article! These schools didn't survive BECAUSE of policies enacted by the Taliban, but DESPITE of them! The Taliban never formed a very strong government, it was very much decentralized. Their policy of banning girls education simply did not get enforced in much of the countryside!

The original article in this thread exploits the nuances in the study to make bold claims and completely ignores the conclusions reached in the study as a whole.

Another bit which IMHO more accurately describes what the author intends to say:
Contrary to what is generally described, the Mujaheddin movements, whose members often were Islamist modernists, generally favoured girls’ education. With international financial support (sometimes also conditioned) girl schools were established in Mujaheddin controlled rural areas. This development continued during the Taliban ban on girls’ education: the number of rural girl schools increased continuously during these years. City girls, however, were totally excluded from education with the exception of those who could participate in some clandestine home schools. The Taliban believed that only (limited) Islamic education was required and that women did not need education at all. However, the Taliban movement was not homogenous in their view of education. In rural areas girls’ education was often accepted and women were allowed to teach.
So in conclusion:
1. The Taliban leadership did ban girls education
2. This policy was quite often not enforced in the country-side, because local leaders had different ideas
3. This policy was enforced in the cities, where the Taliban had more direct control
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BNDGR
11-11-2008, 03:20 AM
It is so interesting that when I read the first post I was thinking how the media does change our view of things based on thier reporting. But then I read the article in more detail as posted by KAding and I saw that there was more the original article, that would sway you in another direction.
Myself as a westerner takes some of what I hear as truth, but it is really really hard to judge the real truth when the media for each group sways us with half truths and lies.
You really can't trust what you are hearing in the media at all. You have to go search out the truth from everywhere for yourself.
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islamirama
11-11-2008, 04:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding

So in conclusion:
1. The Taliban leadership did ban girls education
2. This policy was quite often not enforced in the country-side, because local leaders had different ideas
3. This policy was enforced in the cities, where the Taliban had more direct control
How many times must you beat a dead horse over and over and over again? We have discussed the talebans inside out on several threads. Please stop being a typical ignorant westerner who seems to forget the facts and starts repeating same propaganda lies as your gov't.

1. The taliban did ban education for girls and also women going out side for a short period due to their safety. Apparently going out and being raped by warlords isn't as a high priority as education for you.

2. Local leaders or not,where the Talibans ruled, it was their law that governed how things were going to run.

btw, the US gov't is begging the Talibans to negotiate with them, go look up on this forum and enlighten yourself a bit....
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KAding
11-11-2008, 11:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
How many times must you beat a dead horse over and over and over again? We have discussed the talebans inside out on several threads. Please stop being a typical ignorant westerner who seems to forget the facts and starts repeating same propaganda lies as your gov't.
Ehm, what a strange response. I directly respond to an article YOU posted and using sources from that article and I'm the one beating the dead horse and repeating the "same propaganda lies as my gov't"?

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
1. The taliban did ban education for girls and also women going out side for a short period due to their safety. Apparently going out and being raped by warlords isn't as a high priority as education for you.
I am far from convinced! Why would it be possible now for girls' to go to school, when it wasn't when the Taliban controlled most of the country? Can you deprive a whole generation of girls of primary education because the danger of rape of these girls? Besides, how often do pre-teen girls get raped in Afghanistan? Surely it can't be that common? Are you saying there are that many pedophiles roaming Afghan streets? It sounds like a cop-out!

Besides, when you say that these measures were only for a "short period", how you define "short"? Because as far as I am aware this policy lasted for years, as long as they were in power.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
2. Local leaders or not,where the Talibans ruled, it was their law that governed how things were going to run.
Apparently not. Here is an another extract from the study:
Pia once in 1998 accidentally found a girl school in a remote village in eastern Afghanistan that was unsupported except by the parents. The school’s headmaster and the one who had initiated the school was a “member” of the Taliban movement and had studied for six or seven years in a Pakistani Madrasa. He stated that he considered the Taliban ban on girls’ education as being “unislamic
In rural areas, however, by keeping a low profile girls’ education continued at the primary level.
However, the Taliban movement was not homogenous in their view of education. In rural areas girls’ education was often accepted and women were allowed to teach.
Apparently these rural schools had to either keep a low profile or the local Taliban leader had to disagree and fail to implement the ban on girls education instituted by the Taliban at a national level.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
btw, the US gov't is begging the Talibans to negotiate with them, go look up on this forum and enlighten yourself a bit....
A nice taunt, but it has nothing to do with the subject, which is Taliban education during their reign.
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LockOn
11-11-2008, 11:36 AM
According to an interview i read by Mullah Omar....he said they were never against females being educated. I can't recall the exact reasons he gave but it was to do with the state of the country...and the system...and the fighting going on etc
Insh'Allah, If i can find the Interview...i'll post it.

Muslims should fear Allah 'azza wa-jall in regards to what they say about other Muslims, because you'll be held accountable for what you say on the day of Judgement, and be very worried if what you said were clear lies.
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islamirama
11-11-2008, 04:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
well this shudnt surprise anyone, the governments of the west have admitted they carry out lying propaganda news against their enemies to deceive the public opinion.
There's plenty of articles on here having US themselves admit they have to engage in this dirty lying propaganda to sway the public opinion. We all know how much mass rape is going on in Iraq, so no surprise that it wouldn't go on in this occupied land either.

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
A nice taunt, but it has nothing to do with the subject, which is Taliban education during their reign.
Subject of the thread is not education but Women under Taliban and the western propaganda....

Taliban is the main target in the Anti-Islam media attack.

All the women (western feminists) who criticized the burqa (veil), were silent when 2 millions afghan citizens were dead due to the Russian bombs, they were silent when 500,000 Afghan citizens were handicapped because of landmines, and they were quiet when thousands of afghan women were raped before the Taliban came to power.

General Hamid who had lived for some years under the Taliban, said:

“There was never a campaign directed at allowing the beating of women and there was no prohibition for women to pursue education. There was only restriction on mixed-gender education.”

There are so many fabrications on “respected” websites in the internet about the “suffering” of Afghan women, while at the same time there isn’t any mention of date, name, location or any other data that could be verified. Hamid Gul said that he always noticed there were more women than men in the streets or in the markets during the Taliban era. The Afghan who protested in the west were those who originated from the Khalq and Parcham factions who were Communists. They were not representatives of the majority of the Afghan society.
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Thinker
11-12-2008, 04:32 PM
Hi,

According to the news acid was thrown in the faces of these girls to stop girls attending school; why are they so against girls attending school; has the reason got any roots in Islam?


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...240476386.html
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S1aveofA11ah
11-12-2008, 04:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Hi,

According to the news acid was thrown in the faces of these girls to stop girls attending school; why are they so against girls attending school; has the reason got any roots in Islam?


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...240476386.html
What do you think 'Thinker'?.

Do you think before posting things like this?.

Do you not think that if Islam means peace then it cannot accept/promote acts like acid to be thrown in the face of girls attending school?. In fact NOWHERE in Islam and I'm alluding to the Islamically prescribed punishments is acid allowed to be thrown at people be it on their face or other parts of their body.

If Muslims are doing such things then it goes against Islam so they are not representing it.

Stop trying to stir up controversy - there is plenty of that in the world already.
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aamirsaab
11-12-2008, 08:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Hi,

According to the news acid was thrown in the faces of these girls to stop girls attending school; why are they so against girls attending school; has the reason got any roots in Islam?


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...240476386.html
No ruling in Islam restricts anyone from attaining knowledge. If anything, acquiring knowledge is encouraged:
Sura 39 verse 9: Is one who worships devoutly during the hour of the night prostrating himself or standing (in adoration), who takes heed of the Hereafter, and who places his hope in the Mercy of his Lord - (like one who does not)? Say: "Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that receive admonition.
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Malaikah
11-13-2008, 11:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
I have formed the view (which may be wrong) that the Taliban came/come largely from the Islamic madrassas i.e. that they were/are devout Muslims and that they imposed a system of rule in Afghanistan based upon strict adherence to Islamic teachings. If that is correct is seems to logically follow that they would look to Islamic teachings for the role of women and how women should be treated. Now I am ready to accept that they have misinterpreted whatever they were interpreting but I think it’s reasonable for me to consider the possibility that they were interpreting something?
I think the point that most pro-Taliban people would make is that the information you are basing this all on is itself false or misleading.

For example I know the media claims that the Taliban forbade women from leaving their homes or something liek that. Yet other people will tell you that was only done in certain areas because of the high abduction rates and was only temporary for the safety of the women.

It is a largely an issue of two groups believing different version of what actually happened.
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